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@JOECURR1488

6 ай бұрын

Look around you... EVIL WON WW2

You could call it luck or even skill, but to get inside of a carrier battle group and survive depth charge assaults is definitely brave. Cudos to all of the brave submariners. Thanks for a great story.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

Fantastic crew! Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

@cf6282

2 ай бұрын

And on her maiden voyage! Excellent work for sure! Skill surely is essential and luck is of great help.

@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover

2 ай бұрын

I do it all the time in Silent Hunter 4.

@jamesdeen3011

2 ай бұрын

@@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover you think playing a game compares to real life war? Your obviously a young man with out maturity. Join any branch of our great millitary and it will help ground you into a mature man. Good luck. I wish you well.

@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe

Ай бұрын

They were on the job.

America's Greatest Generation! God Bless!🫡

@HiddenHistoryYT

2 ай бұрын

Very true! Thanks for watching & have a great weekend :)

US submarines were rather unique in their tasks during the war. Primarily, they devastated the Japanese Merchant Navy and crippled their wartime economy. They also took quite a toll on Japanese Naval ships. Then, they were tasked with acting as scouts for strategic intelligence on Japanese fleet operations. And, lastly, they were used along attack routes for American air strikes to rescue pilots/airmen ditching into the ocean. Not really sure if any other submarine service in other navies had similar duties. Great video!

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

It’s truly incredible what they accomplished! Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

@fearthehoneybadger

6 ай бұрын

In fact, the Japanese supercarrier, Shinano, was sunk by the USS Archerfish while the sub was looking for downed pilots.

@briankorbelik2873

6 ай бұрын

The US sub force had a record unrivaled in WWII. And the U-Boat arm wasn't half bad, either.

@davidelliott5843

4 ай бұрын

Despite what German ZU-Boats were doing, the Japanese never really appreciated the value of submarines.

@larrytischler570

Ай бұрын

Actually, number 3, or number 4 was mine laying in Japanese shipping lanes, lifeguard duties were however last. Unless you were a downed pilot.

Interesting note. The USS Cavalla is a restored museum ship on display in Galveston, Texas along with the Destroyer Escort USS Stewart.

What a brilliant execution of what it is to be submariners to position themselves in such a perfect spot to take out one Japan's most formidable carriers and come back to describe the battle. You know those depth charges were too close for comfort. Great to hear these stories in detail.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

Completely agree with you! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

@williampaz2092

6 ай бұрын

Read the book: “I-Boat Captain” by Zenji Orita who was an officer onboard of several Japanese Submarines during WW2 and even commanded two of them. He calls The Battle of the Mariana Islands/Battle of the Philippine Sea “The Great Submarine Disaster” from the Japanese point of view and “The Great Submarine Success” from the American point of view.

I was Tincan Sailor 1977-1990 and I can't imagine what is was like to be on a Submarine or PT Boat in the vast Pacific Ocean back then wandering where the Japanese forces were and what was going to happen next. I would have Faith serving with CO's and Crews like these Tough WW2 Sailors. I Salute them all.

@HiddenHistoryYT

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your service!

I once shared an office with an old Electrical Engineer. I never found out what position he had held in the US WW2 navy, but it must have been something in a sub, as he once revealed that he had seen Tokyo - but only through a periscope… If I recall, the mention came around the time of my one and only trip to Japan and Taiwan. The main flights both ways were via Tokyo.

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Very cool!

@larrytischler570

Ай бұрын

I had a boss one time, who was a gunnery officer on Halsey's flagship when the Mighty Mo sailed into Tokyo harbor for the signing of the Japanese surrender. The battlewagon was first behind the mine sweepers. He said it was the only time he was afraid in the war. Japanese harbor defense guns were required to be covered with natural color canvas to make them visible in the surrounding hills.

Psss't! Spruance commanded the Fifth Fleet. Although he was in overall command of the Saipan Operation and theater of Battle. The Seventh Fleet was mainly the Invasion Fleet. Under the Command of Thomas Kinkaid and General MacArthur. They were mostly further south in the South Pacific Theater of Operations for the Battle of Saipan/Philippine Sea/Marianas Turkey Shoot. 7th Fleet was later at the Battle of Leyte Gulf alongside the 3rd Fleet under Halsey. 3rd Fleet and 5th Fleet were the same ships. They just traded off commanders for each operation. When Spruance was in charge it was 5th Fleet. When it was Halsey it was 3rd Fleet. So the two command staff's alternated between planning their next operation then executing it while the alternate team was planning their next one. That crazy scheme worked from 1943 until late spring '45 when the US finally had enough ships that third fleet and fifth fleet could exist independently side by side. With each fleet being 2-3x as large as any nations Navy at the beginning of WW2.

@HiddenHistoryYT

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

When you name your operation Ego, after a frozen waffle, you can only expect ending up as toast.

@HiddenHistoryYT

6 ай бұрын

😂

During WWII it was noted that on a submarine’s first war patrol it had a 19 percent chance of being sunk. That is almost 1 chance in 5 that they would not come back alive on their first patrol. For his sub to sink a huge aircraft carrier on his first patrol might have been a contributing factor in why while at Sipan the high ranking officers came aboard and grilled him about his patrol.

@chloehennessey6813

4 ай бұрын

Saipan, sir.

Raymond A. Spruance. You do not want this guy opposite your fleet.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

@derpynerdy6294

6 ай бұрын

I dont know who is better. Spruance or fletcher.

@legiran9564

6 ай бұрын

@@derpynerdy6294 Spruance is the closest thing we get to the Terminator with an Admiral rank. You give him an objective and he executes it to a T with ruthless efficiency. Everything beyond said objective doesn't matter.

@RalphSewell

Ай бұрын

You my FRIEND are so right.

He was also planning to use those bases to refuel his aircraft on their way back to the carriers. That's why he would be well beyond the range of American aircraft carriers. Besides land-based power being crippled by carrier attacks, are runaways and facilities were heavily damaged and kept out of action by American dive bombers and avengers while the air battle was fought.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

Yep shuttle bombing! Hasley had a great fear of that during a couple battles. As always, appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

@JohnRodriguesPhotographer

7 ай бұрын

@@HiddenHistoryYT may have been in the back of his mind during Leyte Gulf. Have a good one!

I really miss the guys I served with on the USS Forrestal CVA-59 during the Vietnam war. I grew up on that carrier.

Most people, me included, did not know that the fuel shortage in Japan was so acute by 1944 that they were pumping raw oil out of the ground directly into their ships fuel bunkers ( fuel tanks) and were using unrefined crude oil to run their ships. They had almost no "refined" fuel (gasoline and aviation fuel) at all. No wonder they couldn't train new pilots. They had almost nothing as refined as 100 octane Av-gas. You cannot fly an airplane using crude oil. I was surprised to learn they could actually drive ships from oil pumped directly out of the ground and into the ships' boilers. Jets ? Never a threat from Japan. Where were they going to get JP5?

@kenneth9874

6 ай бұрын

Jet fuel is much easier to refine than avgas

@HiddenHistoryYT

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and have a great weekend :)

@briankorbelik2873

6 ай бұрын

The fuel that the Japanese carriers toted was also heavy with sulphur, making it even more inflammable. And then as George Carlin might have said, 'Then it flammed real good!'

@melkiorwiseman5234

4 ай бұрын

Jet powered aircraft were only invented during the latter part of WW2 and there were so few of them that they weren't a factor in any battle that I've ever heard of. In fact, I believe that Japan had zero jet powered aircraft during the entire war, although I'm willing to be corrected on that if someone has evidence that they did. I believe that Germany had a few jet powered aircraft toward the end of the war, but by that time they'd pretty much run out of resources (oil in particular) and they had insufficient time to "tool up" a factory to manufacture a completely new concept in aircraft.

@kenneth9874

4 ай бұрын

@@melkiorwiseman5234 the maiden flight of the me 262 was on 6/18/42 and was put into service in '44 with 1,433 being manufactured but with 250 or less in service at any one time,They were quite a shock to the allies and they destroyed a number of targets. Jet fuel is much easier to refine than av gas.

Great success!

@11:45 These 3 Carriers are basically what was left of Japan's true (i.e. big and fast) Fleet Carriers! Hence the importance of the spotting... IJN Taiho had a design flaw, in addition to an undertrained Damage Control Team. This allowed AvGas to pool in the well of one (or more) of her centerline Aircraft Elevators that had pumps that were driven by electric motors (since they figured that only rain water would get down there). Whether it was an arc (spark) from a ventilation fan's motor, or a pump's motor will probably never be known... But the fumes were ignited and with an enclosed Upper and Lower Hanger Deck that not only prevented Fumes from being easily blown out of the ship, but also contained the explosions when they happened she was Doomed!

@HiddenHistoryYT

6 ай бұрын

Great info! Thanks for watching and have a fantastic weekend :)

@timmeinschein9007

6 ай бұрын

@@HiddenHistoryYT Thank Drachinifel for the IJN Taiho's flaw info....

A formidable group of carriers. They’re very best. Lost 2 of them by submarines!

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

the Japanese may not be known for their naval fleet but these stories are always so unique. You have the best taste on history youtube!

@joewalker2152

7 ай бұрын

"the Japanese may not be known for their naval fleet" ?? No disrespect Sir, but really do think you need to study some WW2 Pacific history my friend..........

@TheBrettWay

7 ай бұрын

@@joewalker2152 could you give me some recommendations i have only just started learning about naval history but boy am i hooked

@matthewnewton8812

7 ай бұрын

The Japanese navy comprised the third largest fleet in the world during WWII. They were exactly known for their epic, monumental, earth shatteringly huge navy. Check out any documentaries about the Japanese naval construction programs between 1900 and 1945.

@jamesdeen3011

7 ай бұрын

@@matthewnewton8812 this is a classic example of someone making a commitment of any given subject matter in which they have no knowledge. This boggles my mind as knowledge is only a finger tip away.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

You have the best taste for the content you consume!

Boy oh boy, when you get the fleet numbers wrong sailors get pissed. I never knew that Spruance and Halsey used the same ships but chaned the fleet number when in command. Thanks for the info. I served in the Indian ocean, HT3 on CVN-69 , 1980-1982.

The fleet commander's ship is called the flagship.

Incredible work

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

Great crew!

The blow came with the loss of aircrews.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

That was the hardest thing for them to recover from in reality!

@the1magageneral323

7 ай бұрын

@@HiddenHistoryYT Along with fuel shortages.

@EllieMaes-Grandad

6 ай бұрын

Don't underestimate the effect of lost technical personnel and deck crews, all experienced and well-trained people, on the continued preparedness for aerial battles.

By that time of war the IJN pilots were so undertrained that landing on a carrier presented unacceptable loses. A shadow of their former dominance.

@HiddenHistoryYT

6 ай бұрын

Very true. Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

The biggest failure the Japanese made was hitting Pearl while the Carriers and subs were not there. Not updating their codes didn't help

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Yep! Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

@johnmccormick8462

Ай бұрын

US broke jap codes, Roosevelt knew all about the imminent attack and allowed it to happen while ensuring USN Carriers would be out on exercises.

@JacksonBush-hs4kg

Сағат бұрын

They are cowards

The volatility of the sweet crude they had to use due to lack of refined petroleum products didn’t help IJN ships when they were hit with bombs and incendiary rounds.

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

Very enjoyable video. Well done with plenty of film clips.

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Greatly appreciate you watching and have a fantastic week :)

In 1944 there WAS a 7th Fleet but it was under the command of Admiral Thomas C Kinkaid. 5th Fleet was under Admiral Spruabce.

@HiddenHistoryYT

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

Payback for pearl harbor.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

@gaoxiaen1

6 ай бұрын

Hardly payback!

U.S. Fifth Fleet not Seventh Fleet. Seventh Fleet served the Southwest Pacific Area under General MacArthur.

We were meant to be land animals for a reason...

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

So true!

This Battle was also known as Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

Not the Seventh Fleet, but the Fifth Fleet. The Seventh Fleet was the invasion fleet off Saipan.

Unrefined Borneo oil. Not even once.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

lol. Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

Nice to see this type of vessel featured. At times when I hear or read a detail that is incorrect I wonder if it is worth posting accurate information. I do say that yes it is.

Imagine how differently the war would have played out had there been no battle at Midway and the first encounter of the USN Carrier forces with the Kido Butai (all 6 carriers) was off Guadacanal instead.

@HiddenHistoryYT

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

@chandlerwhite8302

5 ай бұрын

It wouldn’t have played out differently at all, TBH. Japan could never, in any scenario, match the industrial output of the American shipbuilding industry. Eventually Japan would have had one or two fleet carriers left while the US had 20 Essex class and a dozen Independence class carriers.

@RogueReplicant

4 ай бұрын

Japan would still have lost, just a few months later. The Japanese had NO OIL, NO STEEL, NO RADAR ON SHIPS, NO SUBS, NO BRAINS

@shannonwoodcock1035

4 ай бұрын

* Japan could not out produce the United States * Japan could not stop our subs from crippling their merchant navy, and by being an island nation, their war machine could not live without those resources * Roachfort and his merry men. Intellegence had a huge impact I never figured out why an island nation thought it could win a war against a county with such massive infrastructre. Did we look that bad during the Great Depression? How do you think we look now with what is happening. Sometimes I watch historical WWII footage just as escape to remember what our Greatest Generation pulled off.

@RogueReplicant

4 ай бұрын

@@shannonwoodcock1035 Exactly. There is something fundamentally wrong with a nation that becomes so arrogant, so disconnected from reality that they see themselves as superhuman. The Japanese proved to be profoundly irrational and pathetically fanatical. They acquired that stupid mindset because all their Asian neighbors have always been weak and without a seafaring tradition. The Japanese thought the British and Americans were just like Thais or Malays but with longer noses and lighter skin. t f

Spruance never commanded the US 7th Fleet. That was Admiral Kinkaid. Spruance was commander of the US 5th Fleet alternating with Admiral Halsey. When Halsey was in command it was the US 3rd Fleet, when Spruance the US 5th Fleet. Same ships, just a different designation.

@HiddenHistoryYT

2 ай бұрын

Ah my bad. Appreciate you watching and have a great weekend :)

Thanks!

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Greatly appreciate you Robert! Hope you have a fantastic week :)

Is it really necessary for the site logo to be so large and in the middle? I realise it is necessary somewhere, but surely not so prominent.

@HiddenHistoryYT

3 ай бұрын

Ya I would prefer if they didn’t do that lol, it’s not mine

She is stunningly beautiful. Family who adopted her is very lucky.

@HiddenHistoryYT

Ай бұрын

Lol

5th fleet not 7th. The 7th fleet served under Adm. Kincaid in Gen. McArthurs Southwest Pacific area. The 5th fleet nder Adm. Spurance was in Pacific Ocean Area under Adm. Nimitz.

electric boat is now building the most advance sub ever built

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

When the tide of war turned against Japan ? Some of the oddest ideas crept into IJN designer/engineer's heads. The ISE receiving a flight deck, what ? Or my fav- the oiler/seaplane tender that was HAYASUI. I understand the desperation involved. Only the realization of the war effort going backward for them could produce such thoughts. Let alone the efforts to make it a reality. That same "can do" spirit though ? It's a shame that they were so single in thought- they were never going to approach any table that had US Naval or diplomatic reps. on the other side of it. I'm just surprised they never took out the Panama Canal- but the thought was there & in fact ? Their finger was on the trigger for that operation, as well. It just happened that it didn't transpire. 🚬😎👍

the whole japanese tactic during the war was one decisive battle. through the whole war that never happened

@kenneth9874

Ай бұрын

It did though, at Midway....

What is the film source for the carrier explosion at about 22:15 ...?

@HiddenHistoryYT

6 ай бұрын

Midway movie! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

I believe the baby sank.They saved a lot of U.S. navy sailors by putting THAT BABY on the bottom!

@HiddenHistoryYT

5 ай бұрын

Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

@ 1:55 that large thing on the F6F-3N or -5N is a radar set....

@HiddenHistoryYT

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Appreciate you watching and have a great weekend :)

Perhaps, as how they had found and examined the sunken Yamato, a future joint US-Japanese deep sea exploration of the sunken Shokaku may reveal why and how the Shokaku sunk to the depths, how many US torpedoes blew holes into the ship.

I have seen little reference to and even less information about Allied vs Axis fuel quality. Mention is made here of Japanese naval fuel problems and sometimes (elsewhere) about German fuel ratings for aircraft engines. There must have been basic performance differences and knock-on effects on performance and maintenance issues, yet no detailed analysis to be found . . .

@kennygrosso2883

21 күн бұрын

During the Okinawa campaign, it was routine for up to one-third of the attacking Japanese aircraft to have to return with engine trouble. This may have been because of low-quality fuel.

My Dad was an air gunner on 244 I went through some of his documents, and found a Presidential Comindation

@HiddenHistoryYT

Ай бұрын

Thank you to him for his service!

Ok right off the bat, the Mai; US Fleet was called the Third when Halsey and his staff were in control and the Fifth when Spruance had it. They traded off so that one group was planning the next campaign as the other conducted present operation. The Seventh Fleet under Adm Thomas Kinkaid was sometimes called MacArthurs Navy and was primarily engaged in the Southwest Pacific in amphibious operations - the Fast Carrier Force was with the 3rd/5th Fleet. The Central Pacific offensive through the Gilberts/Marshall’s and Marianas and the Southwest a pacific campaign thru the Solomons and New Guinea merged in the attack on the Philippines and that’s why the Third and the Seventh were both involved in the multi faceted and gigantic Battle of Leyte Gulf. It’s a minor point, I suppose, but calling Spruance the commander of the 7th calls overall care and accuracy of the presentation into question

Raymond Spruance never commanded the 7th fleet. Are you guys serious? "Hidden history" indeed.

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Yaaa whoops

Why doesn’t Hollywood make films about this?

Its not 7th fleet Spruance was 3rd fleet commander

The Japanese could not afford to armor their carriers. The metal was not available.

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

This isn't hidden history. It's public knowledge.

Please explain oil shortage and use of poorly refined Borneo oils. Japan still firmly held Dutch Borneo with capable refineries. Also British Malaya. Anyone?

@gaoxiaen1

6 ай бұрын

Japan was mistaken. Their merchant fleet was very lucky if it made it home. Manwhile, Japan concentrated on combatants, and ignored supply and troop ships. Foolishly, the Japs couldn't even imagine the future!

@hazchemel

5 ай бұрын

I've heard that the Borneo oil was shipped to Japan for refining. This tanker traffic was taxed out of existence by submarines, mainly. And so while plenty of oil left the Borneo wells, no good but rather additional grief was Japan's lot.

Boom

Bingo !

I'm guessing AI enhanced narration script? Good telling of an important action, though; one that would contribute mightily to the Battle of the Philippine Sea.

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Ya I do use Adobe enhance to improve narration quality

@russdority6295

23 күн бұрын

It hasn't worked.

Understand the need for watermarks. Your placement of such however makes your video unwatchable.

@HiddenHistoryYT

2 ай бұрын

It’s not my watermark lol

You've got some incongruous graphics. A computer animation of a radar when tons or real footage exist, and a painting of a sinking cruise ship with lifeboats on her sides for a sinking Japanese aicraft carrier. Cheesy. Other wise, good

Sorry to criticize, but the graphics don't seem to go with the narrative.

Sunk is not a word , correct english is Sank

@kenneth9874

Ай бұрын

Of course it is, it's past tense

@PeterFruits-hm8rc

Ай бұрын

@kenneth9874 WRONG LOL. , SANK IS PAST TENSE TAKE AN ENGLISH COURSE HAHA 😄

To the narrator, try not to use words that don't replay the real facts of the drama. KISS: Keep it simple, silly!

I'm sorry, but this watermark is absolutely unacceptable. If you're trying to circumvent copyright law you shouldn't be publishing a video. This is beyond amateurish.

You woke a sleeping giant!

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

Indeed!

Cats do those things.WHY does it was seem destiny that it happened

Mauvaise diction, pour la traduction automatique.

Japanese pilot quality was terrible by that point in the war.

@HiddenHistoryYT

3 ай бұрын

Indeed. Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

Spruance commanded the 5th Fleet. Thomas Kinkaid commend the 7th Fleet.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

Ya I done goofed. Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

The carrier "erupted and descended???" Why not "exploded and sank?" Put away the thesaurus.

@garybrown1404

6 ай бұрын

Possibly a reference to the flight deck being literally heaved upwards by av gas explosions from ruptured tanks & then instantly pancaking onto & collapsing the hangar deck below. Read an account of this by an eye witness to the attack. IMO the "thesaurus" remark was really uncalled for,

@dave09m

6 ай бұрын

Good grief man.

@AnthonyJ504

6 ай бұрын

Did you understand what he said? Obviously, so who cares? "Exploded and sank" has been used countless times in documentaries, it's rather refreshing to hear something different. If you're going to harp on someone's choice of words at least get your own grammar correct.

Um, it was the U.S. fifth fleet.

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

Ya I done goofed

Take that stupid logo off of the video!

@HiddenHistoryYT

4 ай бұрын

It’s not mine!

The Seventh Fleet was under MacArthur's command. Ray Spruance was in command of the Fifth Fleet. Please get your facts straight!

@HiddenHistoryYT

7 ай бұрын

Ya I done goofed

Why is that 7n welcome log constantly on the screen? We know who you are, you don't need to advertise.

@HiddenHistoryYT

15 күн бұрын

Not my logo!

The sub weighs 1500 tons, and it carries 24 torpedoes of 1 ton each??? WTF? Do your math, that doesn't pass the sniff test. That's 1.5% of boat weight given to torpedoes??? I don't buy it.

@MisterW0lfe

7 ай бұрын

that's on the surface, a Gato class sub displaces 2400 tons of water when submerged. The Mark 14 torpedo that it carries weighs 3000lbs each, so 36 tons of ordnance max loadout

@AnthonyJ504

6 ай бұрын

You don't have to "buy it", as someone already correctly pointed out you don't understand the full picture.

@gaoxiaen1

6 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyJ504 Weaponry was the main point of the subs. As long as they controlled buoyancy, everything was going great!

@gaoxiaen1

5 ай бұрын

It's longer than a football field and more than 27 feet wide at the beam. That's a lot of water to displace at 2200 pounds/cubic meter. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gato-class_submarine

Please get rid of the logo on the videos

@HiddenHistoryYT

15 күн бұрын

Not my logo!