That little "wombling free" was delightful lol

@cjayos7654

3 жыл бұрын

I am so tempted to add "wombling free" to the underground/ overground sign outside Highbury and Islington Station.

@TheCaptScarlett

3 жыл бұрын

I said in perfect unison

@TheCaptScarlett

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/iIB32NN6itKbm7Q.html For those without a 1970s/80s UK cultural reference point

@radagastwiz

3 жыл бұрын

Coincidentally, AFC Wimbledon's mascot, Haydon the Womble, is named for Haydons Road - now one of the new stations on the map.

@RandomHuman4022

3 жыл бұрын

@@radagastwiz As a Wimbledon fan, this is my new favourite coincidence. Thanks for telling :)

Does this mean that we can expect a "Secrets of Thameslink" video at some point in the future perhaps?

@Sean-D78

3 жыл бұрын

He did do secrets of the Glasgow Subway which isn't TfL so he could

@SwitchbackSylveon

3 жыл бұрын

or a "Least used Thameslink station" video

@adamrkimber

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds awesome, good suggestion!

@mich8050

3 жыл бұрын

That's an excellent idea, make it happen Geoff

@davidsims5520

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/q3mduLqokc-7gZM.html Another youtuber has done this!

“and if you’ve never watched before...” Oh, Geoff, we’re all addicts!

Me: Lives in Birmingham, rarely goes to London. Also me: oh look, Geoff has posted a new video *starts watching*

@kunlealiu8003

3 жыл бұрын

I live in Birmingham too mate I live in wolverhampton and I go to London as well

@TheSchwert28

3 жыл бұрын

I live in Berlin, Germany and only visit my family in London a few times a year(4 if often) and I still watch em all... And having not been able to go back since early 2020 and the uncertainty when the next time will be(won’t go during the whole incovidnience) it is really only to get a “breath of familiar air”

@talcharlotte8502

3 жыл бұрын

HAHA ME im from leeds!

@vegancam

3 жыл бұрын

✋️Australia here. Been just over 2 years now since my last visit, had planned to last year but... well. Love living vicariously through Geoff's vids as well as reminiscing about my many trips.

@Bored2

3 жыл бұрын

Birmingham here

Never taken a Thameslink train before but this videos makes me miss London so much. The first year in... many years that I haven't been able to make my yearly trip over. Stay safe, people!

That felt like a sort of mini, "Secrets of the Thameslink". Would love to see a full video of that.

Important note re fares: Between West Hampstead or Finsbury Park and Elephant & Castle or London Bridge the fares are the same as tube fares. But, if you travel further on Thameslink then the National Rail fares apply which are generally more expensive. If you also change to a tube line and travel off the Thameslink route in zone 1 then the mixed mode premium will also apply.

If you convert the RGB values for the colours to HSV, then colour used for Thameslink in the Tube Map is the same hue as the logo colour (333). H&C is slightly more towards red (357)

Hi Geoff, I have Agoraphobia, which mentally affects my ability to travel and I had to train myself to get back on trains & the tube. I just wanted to say thanks for your videos, as they help remind me that trains are not only "normal" but that you and others enjoy them too! Thanks for helping my mental health with your enthusiasm for trains!

2:57 - when will 'Wombling Free' be added to the tube map?

@josephturner4047

3 жыл бұрын

The Elizabeth line ( the GWR Relief) should be the Womble line because I bet it will often be free.

@stevesmith7520

3 жыл бұрын

Should start from Wimbledon....

That link at Farringdon is Brilliant. I have been to many Brighton womens wsl games down in Crawley on thameslink and used to change back onto the tube by walking the west hampstead link, which was a flaming nightmare in comparison to the 10 second link at Farringdon. It is a brilliant little secret that is now no longer so secret thanks to this new map.

Well done on 200K Geoff, i just noticed!

It's been years since I visited London, and back then it surprised me when I realized that there were "tube" trains that weren't on the Tube map. Getting from point A to point B had more options than I knew, in part because they were not all on a single map. I woke up to the fact that transport in London was not a single system but actually a bunch of systems that overlapped - and sometimes competed. While I have continued to marvel at London's wonderful public transportation and how the systems interact and cooperate, I also think that it would be more efficient to be owned and operated by a single agent. Keeping it all working together must be like trying to organize a boxful of kittens....

@johnholmes912

3 жыл бұрын

transportation is a criminal sentence; the tube is transport

Coming by Eurostar to London from Brussels Thameslink is always handy to get to parts of South London. As my partner suffers from a little claustrophobia I like to use it as after crossing the Thames it largely is overground. Pleased to see it back as I have always used the Rail Network map in the past.

2:58 - Wombles. I keep thinking that very same thing every time - and I’m not even British.

@TheCaptScarlett

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/iIB32NN6itKbm7Q.html

I got here so early the video started with Good morning and it is in fact, morning.

The Thameslink/Tube interchange at Farringdon is honestly something I love if I'm coming in from Brighton

Who would have thought a video on this tube map update would be this interesting - Well done & thanks.... Thumbs up from me

Boston’s MTA ‘s Mass General station extends out over a scenic shoreline freeway offering a panoramic view of the Charles River.

I love your eye for the graphic design

It's great to see Thameslink back on the Tube map. One tends to forget about lines if one doesn't see them on the map and Thameslink saves time on lots of journeys across London.

Long day yesterday, this morning breakfast was too spicy and my mouth is on fire, still feeling very sleepy, parents are arguing about something, I go onto youtube and see this video about the new december 2020 tube map from Geoff ... ohh thank god,

@roboftherock

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah - 'been there, done that, got the t-shirt' as they say!

I remember when the Capital Card was introduced so that railway services came into the zones. It was the predecessor to the current travelcard and oyster. (Before it was the LT travelcard but it added the rail services in.) IIRC The map was the railway suburban services on one side with a central box which was expanded larger on the reverse showing the tube lines.

I feel like I might have stumbled into Geoff at Blackfriars on the day that it was filmed 😃

@josiahwardrosebuddies

3 жыл бұрын

Jealous! 😂

@dylanb.117

3 жыл бұрын

Lucky!!!

Thank you for making that video on the “Thameslink” in the tube map. I did not even know that they put it in there! Thanks Geoff!

Love your 'womblung free' comment! You said it the same time I thought it! I met The Wombles on Hempstead Heath at a Capital Radio event!!

Your observation about Farringdon is spot on. It's my preferred station for coming out of town onto the Brighton line.

bromley on the map 😩 the day has finally come

@petitkruger2175

3 жыл бұрын

bruh don’t diss Bromley we have good things like Waitrose and a apple store

OMG. I just found this vid in my suggested or whatever it's called. I haven't been so exhilarated since I last went raving. Not kidding. I loved it especially because I'm a Thameslink/Blackfriars user and I love maps and the tube map. I've found my 2020 joy in your channel! Now for the binge sesh. Thanks Geoff Marshall!

Thameslink has returned into its natural habitat, nature is healing!

I use the Farringdon Thameslink route for trains to Gatwick airport, very convenient, I'm sure many visitors arriving into Gatwick heading to central London automatically use the pricey Gatwick Express to Victoria station and are unaware of the Thameslink option.

Being from Wales and having visited London probably 20-30 times, I never even knew Thameslink existed! The more you know!

Geoff, you are a truly awesome nerd and we love you!

An interesting observation at city thameslink: if you want to go to St Paul's tube station, get out at north entrance. If you want to go to the cathedral, get out at south entrance. That's quite confusing.

I'm not surprised. Since the first lockdown, I have spotted from my window that Thameslink is running more and more frequent. In March it was every 20-30 minutes, now its every 10-15 minutes. Along les frequent South-Eastern, I may say trains through Streatham Station are passing every 2-5 minutes.

I reckon TfL saw my map design of 2018 and thought "hmm, that's a lot better than ours". Still waiting for them to offer me a job.

I live 30 miles north of London and knew very little about Thameslink. This is awesome!

Great video, and I loved the "twist" at the end!

Congratulations TfL finally you have Thameslink because I’m from St Albans

6:01 I think Cannon Street National Rail is also partly on water

They should just be thankful it exists. I remember when St Pancras was a filthy place covered in grime nobody alive then even knew what colour the brickwork was. What they have now is just really utterly fantastic. When I was a boy us trainspotters seldom went in the place it was better next door in Kings Cross.

Amazing video 😀😀😀 How did you angle up the border? You should show this to TFL . Your correction makes it more pleasant.

You have a great production. Although I'm not hugely into this stuff, I find it easy to get hooked into your work.

Yes I like the new Blackfriars station with platforms that span the river and fine views eastward.

I agree that Blackfriars is awesome & is my favourite station. 👍

2:55 Thank you for the unexpected worm. I loved using Thameslink when I was in Pentonville Road, looked longingly when I commuted via Blackfriars. It is a much under appreciated line!

love the detail! RGB values and all!

We have not had the Thameslink on the Tube map for longer than I’ve been alive. Could never imagine how it would look until now.

Jeff !... I can't belieeeeve you actually said that ! "Underground, overground (shhhh) wombling free" ! That's you getting no prezzies from Santa this year !

.... and it seems that Christmas has come early for one excited Londoner! Cue : Geoff Marshall on KZread

greact video Geoff, very nice ! thank you for the ENG subtitles, it is a great help for 'not mother toungue' like me: when I miss a word I can pause the video and check the subtitles. thank you, grazie from Italy :-)

TL on the tube map? Tick. But they've possibly overdone it for their trial. My guess is that they'll declare the map too cluttered and remove TL in 2022. Which is a shame. Like you, I was surprised to see the whole thing, rather than just the core. It does, after all, seem ridiculous to include Dartford on TL at 2tph when the other 8tph SouthEastern trains are missed off.

@reubenmitchell5269

3 жыл бұрын

does seem really weird esp. in the SE. A vistor (once they can return) would look at this and go "So the only way to get to Lewisham is the DLR? Or to go to Dartford I need to get the DLR to Greenwich then wait for the Thameslink?" its actually mis-information to leave out the ret of main rail services at this point

Setting the record for visiting all stations on the new tube map A challenge for someone like Geoff Marshall, me thinks

02:57 "wombling free" lol

Really great to see Thameslink return to the Tube Map, and this time in its entirety. This will make travelling by rail a lot easier - especially to south east and south west London.

Does that mean you can add a least used Thames link station to the list

0:28 I love looking at the old Tube maps and seeing how much has changed since each one was released. From this screenshot I can see at least twelve differences between the current map and this one - and there's at least five more differences from what you can't see!

They should do one that incorporates buses too, the bus section could be on transparent plastic that you flip over the top to see buses and trains just for the hell of it.

So I’m mature. I’m 32 and once Geoff said underground overground, I thought ‘wombling free’ then Geoff said it

You've made me look something up Geoff. I always used the south exit of City Thameslink for St Paul's, and the north exit for Chancery Lane. Your way does appear to be a minute quicker on the map though! Although, the cathedral itself is visible from the south exit. Probably why I did this. Glad to see Thameslink on the tube map - when I worked for them, I always advised customers to use more Thameslink and less tube - often met with disbelief because it wasn't on the small map.

@RJ-ge1kz

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. It's all a nice walk anyway!

If you put a line on the tube map, people will naturally assume it charges tube fares for oyster and contactless journeys. Some people might decide, for instance, to use Thameslink to go from St Pancras to London Bridge because it's on the tube map and it looks like an equally good route, without realising that Thameslink is going to fleece them with their pirate fares.

It’s not a proper connection at Farringdon from Tube to TL unless you are running past everyone in rush hour to make it be for the TL doors close 😂

Lovely stuff. Big fan of the Thameslink 700’s in particular. Great to have them back on the map!

So when will we have the northern city line back on the tube map!

Hello There, great video and this is good news as it will make travel far more accessible. Cheers Peter :)

Now, if TfL and GTR are talking so productively, when can we expect to see the Great Northern service from Moorgate, with their shiny new 717 trains and recently refurbished underground platforms (but still with traces of Network Southeast signage...) re-appear on the map, especially as the rumour is that it will go over to TfL by 2024? You know it makes sense...

@sihollett

3 жыл бұрын

This is the issue I have with adding Thameslink to the Tube map - why just that non-TfL line? And with the two train-per-hour tentacles, why doesn't the tube map look like the Rail and Tube map?

@alexjenkins1079

3 жыл бұрын

@@sihollett Perhaps it's becoming more like, say, Berlin's U- and S-Bahn map. Even the S-Bahn has a few sections that are lower-frequency (like every 30 mins), even if on, say, the Stadtbahn, Nord-Sued Tunnel and the Ringbahn, trains are every 3-5 minutes or so during the peaks

@sihollett

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexjenkins1079 it has been like that for decades. The Underground has some parts that would be considered S-bahn equivalent. Half hourly trains. Long way out. Etc.

Good to see the Wireless Go in action Geoff - I recommend getting the magnetic clip for this, then you can hide it away on the inside of clothing which will cut the wind noise as well (as the mini deadcats are impossible to fix on!) - oh yeah, nice video too :-)

This is great, everytime i visit London, I have to shuffle maps to see what available services are there. That said this helps a whole lot... now if only I could travel..

I am glad he is excited

I was hoping to get to London this year - never mind - maybe after Easter - great video, Geoff. It’s great getting thameslink from redhill into town...

It really is exciting to have Thameslink on the tube map! Will be really good to see the Elizabeth Line alongside it as well! Will also be interesting to see how the Great Northern Metro routes are squeezed in if they are to be taken over by TfL 2021/22

2:43 - yay, my home station is on the Tube map! Would this be the first time Swanley has been on the London Underground map in history?

We're getting to the stage of London being one big station!

Awesome video Geoff! Very much looking forward to the new tube map for December 2020!

Just discovered your clips mate . Great work .stay safe .

When will the Ruislip Lido Railway appear on the Tube Map? Its already in the TFL journey planner!

The Thameslink sound is soo good

So it now seems that most of greater London appear on the tube map

@highpath4776

3 жыл бұрын

Should stop Bromley moaning

@arnavsharma8914

3 жыл бұрын

the south west is still missing.

To all have a very safe and Happy Christmas and much better 2021

City Thameslink - St Pauls has been on the Rail and Tube map since they added the things. It's not a valid Out-of-Station interchange though, so beware!

If I'm correct, I believe the Farringdon one is the ONLY TL station you can jump onto without having to tag out again. if you are cheeky and you know a certain station has open gates, you could technically get to let's say Brighton for the Price of your standard London Off Peak as long as you tag out inside of the Farringdon.

I love these videos so much

Makes me think that the C2C line until Upminster should be there for the same reasons

@sihollett

3 жыл бұрын

If we're going to have two trains-per-hour Thameslink tentacles on the Tube map, we should just use the Rail and Tube Map and ditch the Tube map. Even if it was just the Thameslink core on the map, the absence of c2c and other non-TfL lines with similar credentials for inclusion makes it look like marketing rather than mapping.

@fetchstixRHD

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm, I'd say the reason Thameslink should have been there to begin with was as it passes through central London and provides a useful way to travel across central London. Other than that [and the Moorgate services imo], if you added more than that then there wouldn't be any point of the Tube map by itself as per @@sihollett's comment.

@sihollett

3 жыл бұрын

@@fetchstixRHD Thameslink is there as it links stations already on the map at a high frequency and with step-free access. c2c (and other lines) does exactly the same thing. If you can stretch the tube map to cover Thameslink's core without it being redundant due to the Rail and Tube map doing the same thing more comprehensively, then you can add similar lines like c2c. The big issue is the addition of 2tph tentacles (often alongside more frequent NR lines) - they render the map just a poor imitation of the Rail and Tube Map.

@fetchstixRHD

3 жыл бұрын

@@sihollett: Eh, I would argue that the crucial point is that TL crosses central London, and without that you wouldn't have Thameslink on the Tube Map. It provides a useful way to cross central London while relieving busy parts of the Underground (most notably the Northern Line - weren't the Bank works supposed to be coming soon too?), whereas it's harder to make a similar case for c2c seeing it skips a lot of the intermediate stops and these are further out (assumedly where crowding isn't as much of an issue on the District etc, and arguably they should be carrying more of the passenger share than c2c). Considering that the outer stretches of the Anglia Overground services (to Enfield Town/Cheshunt) and the Metropolitan line (to Chesham/Amersham) are 2tph as well (and that pretty much all the inner Thameslink routes which weren't 4tph are boosted by other services - at least until this year hit anyway!) I don't think that their inclusion creates a contradiction. In my personal opinion anything more than Thameslink (and maybe the Moorgate GN trains, but even that's a bit of a stretch) risks needing to include all rail services, but you're free to disagree 🙂

@sihollett

3 жыл бұрын

​@@fetchstixRHD That Thameslink crosses central London wasn't used in any of the justification for its inclusion (nor other line's exclusion) on the Tube Map. The Northern line alternative - sure, that was an argument for it. But neither justify the tentacles. c2c's main benefit is that it skips a lot of the intermediate stops - it's why the service is so busy these days! It's not as if it should be on the TfL map, or that its absence is leading to people not finding it (arguably too many people know about it!), but that the reasons for including it are pretty much the same as the reasons why Thameslink's core has appeared on the map - high-frequency, step-free, alternative to a route already on the map. The 2tph bits of TfL services absolutely belong on the map of TfL services (called 'Tube map' for marketing reasons) - they are also just a handful of stations that are part of a wider network. The previous map had the following 2tph off-peak stations (ignoring services not shown): Chesham, Amersham, Reading, Twyford, Maidenhead, Taplow, Burnham, Slough, Langley, Iver, West Drayton, Acton Main Line, Enfield Town, Bush Hill Park, Cheshunt, Theobalds Grove, Turkey Street, Southbury and Emerson Park - 19 stations. The Thameslink tentacles add Mitcham Eastfields, Hackbridge, Carshalton, Sutton, West Sutton, Sutton Common, St Helier, Morden South, South Merton, Wimbledon Chase, Haydons Road, Tooting (13 on the Wimbledon/Sutton loop alone), Purley, Coulsdon South, Petts Wood, Orpington, St Mary Cray, Swanley, Deptford, Maze Hill, Charlton, Plumstead, Abbey Wood, Slade Green and Dartford (11 'Kent Thameslink') - 26 in total, plus South Croydon is peak-only and New Southgate, Oakleigh Park, New Barnet haven't even seen their peak-only service start. 30 low-frequency stations is still a tiny fraction of the map, but well over half of the stations added by including the Thameslink brand (49 total) to the TfL map. And if we include stations that are on the TfL map already as they are served by TfL services, there's 31 (Norwood Junction added) low-to-no-frequency stations out of 65 Thameslink stations on the map - a little better, but still 48%. The other services that boost Thameslink tentacles aren't shown on the map for just as arbitrary a reason as the tentacles are on it (marketing a brand). Other than the Sevenoaks-Blackfriars service, of course (which, while provided by Thameslink, doesn't go through the core - the peak-only extensions to Welwyn GC not occuring yet) boosting the Catford loop service.

I Am So Happy That Thameslink is Back.

I really hope we finally start getting some of the promised Thameslink services which are yet to materialise. The 2tph service from Maidstone East to Cambridge via London Bridge and St Pancras being the most notable example.

Pantone is the color reference of choice. (not RBG) - most offset printing is (CMYK) - I think a concierge service is in order, I have a headache thinking about all the train / tube options in London. Amazing.

I like how Geoff is so adiment not to call XR a tube line but is fine saying TL is like one

@peeky44

3 жыл бұрын

Well in the video he does specifically point out how only 51% of the "Tube Map" is actually tube - and that the remaining 49% is something else (including Thameslink)

@fetchstixRHD

3 жыл бұрын

Key word being "like", of course!

Proper cool - out the side entrance and along Dangoor Walk is my daily commute...! Was...Will be again...

I was at St.Pancraes, yesterday. I like the Station, aswell

At Kings Cross St Pancras it says Kings Cross & St Pancras International. Don't forget that in your video.And also,there is a walking connection at East Croydon.

When I went to london I went to Farringdon station and I saw thameslink!!!!!!

Great news! If you are paying by Oyster, make note of where the edge of the Oyster zone is though. Many times I've seen a poor bewildered person stuck at the barriers at Thameslink stations outside of London

So now you have to get them to show the LT&S line coming into Fenchurch Street - the much quicker way to get from Upminster to Barking, West Ham and the City

Nice one! I’ve used Thameslink since 2008! Also handy for Luton and Gatwick Airports, Farringdon will connect with Crossrail, West Hampstead is handy for Jubilee to Canary Wharf. St Pancras for HS1, City Thameslink for The City. And London Bridge for its connections and the Shard. Love St Pancras and it’s handy for Kings Cross and Euston

When the virus is over, I'm going straight to the tube!

@Sophiebryson510

3 жыл бұрын

Same!

@taraelizabethdensley9475

3 жыл бұрын

Me too, i miss my days out exploring London via the tube

Love your videos. I hope I will get to come back to London soon.

Probably an unpopular opinion, however I believe that Thameslink doesn't belong on the tube map as it's a non-TfL Rail service. Using the same logic that applied to Thameslink, you might as well add all the other mainline rail operators such as SWR between Waterloo & Clapham Junction/Wimbledon as they provide useful links between mainline stations, which would basically copy the London's Rail & Tube Services Map.

King's Cross St Pancras has also been renamed! Now shows as King's Cross & St Pancras International

Actually, the pay as you go fares on Thameslink are not the same as on the Tube. It is slightly more expensive to take the former than the latter across the same zones and it's significantly more expensive to combine them in one journey than use only one of them. So it doesn't function as "just another tube line" in terms of fares.

Sutton, my home town is now on the Tube map....Yay!