Jazak Allah

@jelumbard

5 жыл бұрын

Allah ya'tik al-khayr.

Start series on Literary beauty of Quran , which is considered to be Quran's Ijaz , it will be really beneficial for us Thanks for this series Jazkallah khayr

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

Viewing the literary aspects of the Quran through the lens of i'jaz tends to constrict the discussion. But discussions of the Quran's literary merits would indeed be useful.

You gave us an accurate account of how Quran acquired its present form as one book. God bless you (جزاك الله خيرا )...

@jelumbard

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input

I really appreciate your effort to increase our knowledge. This is very informative, clear and the content is easy to understand. These video series are very helpful especially for ordinary people who are out of theology. Unfortunately not everybody has enough time or access to read resources about the preservation of the Qur'an.

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Let me know what else you would like to hear about.

@kehindekolapo6986

4 жыл бұрын

@@jelumbard Thank you so much for this succinct and highly informative lecture. There is this talk about the language of the Quran being different from and superior to the regular spoken arabic language. Can you make a video to address this in your usual scholarly unbiased manner? Thank you.

Wow... Such an awesome history explanation... Jazakallah bil khair...

thank you sir for your efforts. I am reading quran study.

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Barakllohu fiyk!

Great work thank you .

Allah yatik el afyeh, Bro.

Quite useful

Masha Allah... I enjoy the discourse...

Great lecture, I really appreciate it.

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Let me know if there are other aspects of the Quran you are interested in hearing about.

thanks sir.💜 from Bangladesh

@jelumbard

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Sir! It is outstanding. It helps us to understand about the compilation of holy Qur'an.( Mohammad Ershadur Rahaman)

Very useful background knowledge for the Study Quran. Seen Parts I and II in London on 11 May 2020.

Very informative. Thank you. Saalams from London.

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

It's very informative. Thank you. I wish if you had referred to the rule of Isnad in the process of the preservation of Qur'an

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

Isnad is important. But in the case of the preservation of the Quran, it is mutawatir to the nth degree. Isnad becomes more important when discussing the process of classifying the "accepted" forms of recitation nd accepted readings of the rasm, or consonantal skeleton.

@tornado1789

6 жыл бұрын

ُThank you. I'm looking forward your new videos.

@exzoro8193

5 жыл бұрын

@@jelumbard What do you think of the theory that Muhammad never existed?

@MansMan42069

5 жыл бұрын

@@exzoro8193 You don't exist and you can't prove otherwise. That's how silly you sound.

@exzoro8193

5 жыл бұрын

@@MansMan42069 Did zeus exist? Did apollo exist? Did thor exist? In that line... did jesus exist? Did muhammad existed? I'm just asking if people (or you) have read up on the scholarships regarding this. No need for you to get worked up and be angry, please.

Thank you Dr. Lumbard, very informative. Can you also do a series on harf and qiraat?

@ahmeddmeutube9085

Жыл бұрын

You are terribly mistaken. You are ignoring the fact that the Qur'an was ADDITIONALLY transmitted orally since its first revelation till the present day. The fact that a person in Arabic 1000 years ago recited the Qur'an like a person in Japan 500 years ago and another in Africa this morning testify that the oral transmitters did a meticulous job to teach and transmit the word of God ORALLY as preserved in their memories. This is oral tawatur with uninterrupted chainS of transmitters all the way to the Prophet Muhammad.

salam alaikum Dr Joseph one of the scholars have made a research about preserving the Quran from another point of view that the Quran was gathered and was full in the time of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. I can provide you the narrations if you want to

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

I am aware of that perspective. I think that the evidence is stronger for the gradual collection, but that most had been written under his instruction (SAWS) during his life, yet gathered into the final form after his death. wa Allahu a'lam.

@azizshalak8483

6 жыл бұрын

جزاك الله خيرا

One aspect I think which is missing from the discussion is the idea that the Qur'an's preservation was a collective oral - alongside the written - effort due to it being memorised by a very large number of the early Muslims - known as Tawatur. With the Muslims reciting parts of the Qur'an during their 5 daily prayers plus other occasions as well as supererogatory prayers etc there is no chance that the Qur'an was not well known in all its aspects by the community. In contrast, the reports by a small number of the companions stating that one or a few verses were missing cannot be taken seriously since these are single chains of narrations and hence not as dependable as the Mutawatir nature of the Qur'an.

Could you make a video on the qiraat ? It’s something that many people do not understand very well

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Yes. I have been thinking about doing that.

@bangsamoroyt5299

6 жыл бұрын

Joseph Lumbard im happy 😊 watching your video... Im eager for waiting that videos,,,,

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

Qira'at is very complex. But I will make a short video on some issues pertaining to it, more like a brief note on qira'at than a discussion of the entire issue.

@bangsamoroyt5299

6 жыл бұрын

Joseph Lumbard in sha Allāh hope very soon

إن علينا جمعه وقرآنه Where is Ali's Quran. He was always with the Rasool PBAwAassalam and his comments? and why it was refused? If even if the authority was keen on authenticity they could include it. in the sources of the final Version. The Quran was memorized in its entirety by many the first three Khalifa's were not among them.

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

You are completely misunderstanding the video. Nothing was rejected.

Mr. Lumbard, I placed a comment on Part 1 of your 2 part series which I will copy here. I will then comment on Part 2. In Part 1 of your 2 Part series you said and asked ..."... in fact this printed edition right here is really something that began around 1924 that's when we have the first printed editions of the Quran from which all of the printed editions that we have now derive. So how did we get to this text from the collection of the Quran in the middle of the seventh century" Mr. Lumbard, you gave the impression that you would explain how we got the 1924 Mushaf, but you never really followed through. You also made an incorrect statement when you said that "all of the printed editions that we have now derive" from the 1924 Cairo Edition of the Mushaf. That is not correct, sir. In many parts of the world another print of the Mushaf is used based on the Warsh version of the Mushaf. The 1924 Edition made in Egypt was based on the Hafs version of the Mushaf which has differences from the Warsh version of the Mushaf. It is true that the majority of printed Mushafs in the world are based on the Hafs 1924 version of the Mushaf but it is not true that "all of the printed editions" derive from the 1924 edition made in Cairo, Egypt.

had Umar and the sahabah held a rigid fundamentalist view on practical matters, we would not have a quran in mushaf form that we have today

You are opening a big wound in the harts of the Muslims of the events that preceded and followed the humanity Loss of the direct link between GOD and humanity the end Prophethod by the Murder / Death of the Prophet Mohamad صلي الله عليه و آله.

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

You are misunderstanding the video.

@nmkzf

6 жыл бұрын

yes you are right, I was pointing to some other issues. There is no one who has objected on the collection and distribution of the One version during the first 4 Khalife

@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156

8 ай бұрын

​​@@nmkzf You are saying Nabii’u-LLaahi and Rasuulu-LLaahi Muḥammad ﷺ was murdered? If that was the case, Allaah would've told in the Qurʼaan in advance as Muḥammad ﷺ in his body was where the Qurʼaan was Brought Down and his Lisaan was where it was expressed; theretofore no, he was not murdered, he died naturally! Each Nabii’u-LLaahi whether he would be killed / murdered by another human, it would've been already part of that Nabii’u-LLaahiʼs life!

@nmkzf

8 ай бұрын

@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 surat 40 Ayt 5 كما حدثنا بشر, قال: ثنا يزيد, قال: ثنا سعيد, عن قتادة ( وَهَمَّتْ كُلُّ أُمَّةٍ بِرَسُولِهِمْ لِيَأْخُذُوهُ ) : أي ليقتلوه Sura 3 /144 وما محمد إلا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل أفإن مات أو قتل انقلبتم على أعقابكم ٍsurah 9/74 وَلَقَدْ قَالُوا كَلِمَةَ الْكُفْرِ وَكَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِسْلَامِهِمْ وَهَمُّوا بِمَا لَمْ يَنَالُوا ۚ وَمَا نَقَمُوا إِلَّا أَنْ أَغْنَاهُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ ۚ فَإِن يَتُوبُوا يَكُ خَيْرًا لَّهُمْ Attempt to murder the Rasoul was made by Sahaba in war of Tabook < in suah 9/74 Allah said after the rasould SAAWA. Many would revert back on Islam

So abrogated then and no authentic sources to verify any thing

@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156

8 ай бұрын

I don't think there is such that Aayat of the Qurʼaan abrogates another Aayat of the Qur’aan, only Aayaat of the Qurʼaan assist one another! So, there was never any abrogation other than people's messy talks written down, not actual facts!

@rossmac8743

8 ай бұрын

@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 no there is abrogated verses and any thing which contradicts earlier parts the later dated bit abrogated the earlier part look this up before you say you don't think so

@rossmac8743

8 ай бұрын

@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 so by saying that you agree that the koran was written by man otherwise you are saying that man can and did change the koran. Well done for disproving Islam

@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156

8 ай бұрын

@@rossmac8743 I was responding to abrogation, and there is no abrogation in the Qurʼaan but people's talks / opinions later on written down, nothing else! Everything you wrote is nothing but your belief and fighting for nothing / waste of your energy!

@rossmac8743

8 ай бұрын

@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 again it's you who seem unfamiliar with this Islam thing . But again if you say man could or indeed has changed the koran I agree with you and that disproves Islam too so I don't really care , Islam is lies and shouldn't be trusted or believed

Part 2: Mr. Lumbard, i will now comment on your content for this Part 2. Is it not unusual or strange that there are no extant copies of Uthmans' Mushaf? Why did the Muslims not preserve the original copy made by Zaid and the 5 or 7 copies made that were distributed to the important centers in the then Islamic caliphate? Why did Uthman have Abu Bakr's Mushaf, made during the caliphate of Abu Bakr, not preserved? Instead Abu Bakr's Mushaf, according to Islamic tradition, was burned by Uthman. Why was Abu Bakr's Mushaf burned? Why did Uthman not simply make copies of Abu Bakr's Mushaf? If Abu Bakr's Mushaf was complete and correct why not just make copies of it? The story to the mind of an outsider seems very fishy. Those questions are overlooked and ignored by those who simply want to believe, but those are issues, Mr. Lumbard, that you should have addressed. If Uthman's Mushaf was identical to Abu Bakr's Mushaf, there would have been no reason to burn Abu Bakr's Mushaf. Next since we do not have either Abu Bakr's Mushaf or any of those copies of the Mushaf commissioned by Uthman, there is absolutely no way of knowing whether the 1924 Cairo edition of the Mushaf is identical to either Abu Bakr's Mushaf or Uthman's codex. What we do know today is that there are different versions of the Mushaf. Which version then is identical to Abu Bakr's Mushaf or Uthman's Mushaf? Note that the reason for Uthman commissioning another Mushaf was because confusion was being created among the Muslims by differing ways of reciting the Quran. That reveals the state of affairs that there were different Qurans. Uthman wanted only one version of the Quran which is why he attempted to have all other written versions of the Quran to be burned, including Abu Bakr's Mushaf. However, you can burn books but you cannot burn or destroy the Quran that was in the memories of hundreds if not thousands of people. Even after Uthman's Mushaf was completed and after he had tried to burn all other Mushafs, the people continued to recite the Quran in different ways. Mr. Lumbard you again spoke falsely when you said about the Uthmanic codex ..."from the written record that we have today this did indeed become the standard codex of the Quran from the middle of the seventh century until today." That is entirely a false statement. Astonishing, that you would say such a thing that could easily be fact checked. Of course the reality is that such false information usually goes unchecked by the faithful, and falsehoods like this repeated ad nauseum become "truths". There is absolutely no way of telling that the 1924 Mushaf is identical to Uthman's since none of Uthman's Mushafs survived. You also said, in your opinion, that the reason for Uthman commissioning the second Mushaf was because the Muslims had newer technologies and more parchment. Well your opinion is false because the traditional Islamic story already provided the reason for Utham wanting another Mushaf. According to Islamic tradition Uthman was informed that there was confusion being caused by differences among the Muslims on how the Quran was being recited. According to Sahih Bukhari.. Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So there is no reason for you to speculate as to the reason why Uthman had another Mushaf made. Mr. Lumbard you then glossed over with only a brief mention of the 10 canonized versions of the Quran. You admitted that even after Uthman's Mushaf was made the official edition of the Mushaf, there were still variant readings of the Quran. There never was or has been only one version of the Quran. Yes, attempts were made to narrow down the multiple different versions of the Quran. No one paid any attention to Uthman's Mushaf if they ever really existed. There were multiple versions of the Quran and it was until Abdul Bakr Ibn Mujahid in the 10th century C.E. that 7 different versions of the Quran were selected as canonical. So Ibn Mujahid selected 10 different versions of the Quran as authorized. He did not say only Uthman's Mushaf was authorized. Mr. Lumbard you excluded this most crucial information in your brief series. Then In the 15th century C.E. Ibn Al Jazari Al Nashr would add another three Qira'at or versions of the Quran to the seven of Ibn Mujahid to make a total of 10 canonical variant readings or Qira'at of the Quran. The 1924 Cairo edition of the Mushaf is based on one of the 10 canonical versions of the Quran-Mushaf. So no, Mr. Lumbard, the 1924 version of the Quran-Mushaf does not come to us from the Mushaf made by Uthman. The 1924 version of the Quran-Mushaf comes to us from one of the 10 alternate versions of the Quran. Sorry to say, but you are not speaking the truth when I believe that you know it. But you win as the majority of people will continue to believe the myth.

@andanandan6061

2 жыл бұрын

I think you have answered your own question my friend. You said Uthman attempt to burn other writen Quran was failed bcz people continue to memorize ?

@mylord9340

2 жыл бұрын

@@andanandan6061 I'm not quite sure which question you are referring to. Maybe you can point out the question. In any event it seems that you missed an important point. Uthman wanted to have the Quran written. Written down. The fact that people continued to memorize the Quran is beside the point. The whole point in writing the Quran down was to have a copy that did NOT depend on the memory of people. People are not perfect. Our memories are not perfect. People and memories change. Go and read the hadith again. Hudhaifa bin al-Yaman went to Uthman with his concern that followers were beginning to have differences in their recitation of the Quran. In other words people's memories about the Quran were different. To prevent that from happening the solution was NOT for people to keep memorizing the Quran. People were already doing that. The solution to prevent different Qurans was to have the Quran WRITTEN down so that there would be ONE authorized version that every follower would have to adhere to. After developing that "official" Uthmanic Quran, Uthman then wanted all other versions of the Mushaf , including Abu Bakr's Mushaf destroyed. If you are referring to my question as to why Uthman would destroy Abu Bakr's Mushaf, then I was asking a rhetorical question, if you know what that means. The point is this. If Uthman's Mushaf was identical to Abu Bakr's Mushaf then there would have been no need to destroy Abu Bakr's Mushaf. The fact that he wanted to destroy Abu Bakr's Mushaf implies that there were differences between Uthman's Mushaf and Abu Bakr's Mushaf. I hope that helps you.

Ali a. s. did not need any one to write the entire Quran. why the authority refused it.? If Islamic study do not take the Quran's Judgments of political description of the society and its importance in the shaping events and written history of Islam. Then many wrong paths will be accepted as correct paths in Islam. ولتستبين سبيل المجرمين specially if God said " وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم مَّا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ طُغْيَانًا وَكُفْرًا "

@jelumbard

6 жыл бұрын

No one refused it. I think you are misunderstanding.

@nmkzf

6 жыл бұрын

you are right, I misunderstood the nobile purpose of the video,I went back to 1st video.