Thanks for the detailed comparison

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Very welcome 🙂👍

My man! Exact what I was looking for

The interviews had me dyin' lol but on a serious note, not sure which I'd pick. The Warhawk is definitely a better ax all around, but I just can't pass up full tang.

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Same here bro! Had to have both. I really feel if there is a way to thin that Estwing blade a little I’d pick it if it was my only option

@viewtifuljay2531

2 жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors i agree. It come down to baddass vs longevity. If only they had a Full tang Warhawk then this debate would be settled once and for all

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@viewtifuljay2531 hands down! Cold steel stuff is scary haha

@garyabrahams7609

2 жыл бұрын

@@viewtifuljay2531 Cold Steel Recon Hawk is your answer your looking for. The Recon Hawk is a full tang design by Andrew Demko with the Recon heritage of Cold Steel

@viewtifuljay2531

2 жыл бұрын

@@garyabrahams7609 thanks for the heads up. There's actually a review on this channel about it I must have missed.

Love this vid🍻🏆 This is the video that got me hooked as a subscriber 😋 Had a War Hawk on back order for almost 2 years and it finally arrived home yesterday☺️ super happy 🤜🏻🤛🏻

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Too cool! Glad you got it brother👊

Awesome video brother good throws! 👏Agree with the winner 👍🏻

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro! The Estwing has to go back and “sharpen up” 😂😂

I think the biggest issue with a solid acts, Hatchet or Tomahawk is that we might fear that it will break and then we can't fix it or do anything with the head.

That was a good one brother

really well told and described

For breaching the Black Eagle has all the advantages, plus as you said you can modify the edge profile to do better other tasks as cutting. But you won't modify the C.S. to be more breaching capable, or more thicker. A Black.E. is already on the limits of weight for a tomahawk. For doing knife jobs I believe the smaller tomahawk head the better, but don't have both to compare. There is another thing, I never was an expert in the use of axes, so when I start using a tomahawk I use it in a different way and a smaller bit has to me all the advantages. IMO consider the Estwing as a blanket able to adapt to your necessity, and it corresponds with some historical american tomahawks from the colonial era, from wich derived this pattern as the Vietnam Hawk and the SOG. Then the Estw. idea is to produce a strong practical tool, while the CS does too but with more concern about marketing. There is a video I seen time ago where a youtuber modified the Black Eagle and did the spike as a hammer and the edge more like a convex edge and improved a lot. But I still believe the spike has many more uses than the hammer.

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

This was awesome info and insight! Connecting 💯 on this for sure. There’s something I like about the classic look of the black eagle. Very spot on write up

@wavepropulsion1

2 жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors thanks for the video bro, waiting the revenge.

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@wavepropulsion1 You just gave me an idea for another video! 😂

So, is there a better version of the cold steel axe handle...maybe be able to enforce it a bit?

@411Outdoors

8 ай бұрын

One thing a person could do is utilize some hockey tape and secure the handle where it’s bolted in that would probably give plenty of reinforcement. I’ve started using hockey tape for everything I throw.

@Rhys1176

8 ай бұрын

Huh?...Alright, thank you. Didn't expect to get good feedback

Lol 😆 funny and entertaining at same time. Awesome review and channel bro 😊 I just stumbled upon your channel and had to subscribe. Keep up the good work buddy 😊 👍

@411Outdoors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much my friend🙂🤝 I greatly appreciate it

@theozarkbushman5140

Жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors No prob 😊 ❤

My first hammer was a hand-me-down Estwing, so the decision is easy for me.

compare the estwing the the recon hawk now that would be a fight id be interested in

I also am obsessed with tomahawk and katana ans kopis and kukri

Although the Estwing blade is thicker I feel that it's flat blade design stops it from sticking in during the throwing test, long term abuse the Black Eagle would be the one to depend on.

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

After some time I must agree. Long term for sure 👍 I went and did some modifications to my Black Eagle and it’s on point

@leemarsh6014

2 жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors going to get one myself and carefully grind slimmer blade design

All of the reviews I see do wood cutting task but modern tomahawks are more commonly used in military applications as a breaching tool. I want a review where they use the spikes to break padlocks (twist the lock don’t smack it) and concrete etc. use the blade for chopping things like heavy gauge wire, cable etc. Never in my military career did I chop wood. I did however break locks and concrete and cut cable. For those applications the estwing wins hands down. The cs might break a lock or two but it’s only a matter of time before you snap those bolts.

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

I can see that most definitely! I’m mostly a thrower but I would pick the Estwing anytime for a heavy job like you’re referring to

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

I got the Browning last week. It’s superb

When I got my War Hawk, I truly felt that I could finally stop buying weapons, I need a full size truck to carry everything........I slowed down at least

@411Outdoors

Жыл бұрын

I definitely feel ya on that! I personally and done with my personal stash well. Anything I cover at this point is for the channel

Yo Boss, do you think the Estwing would outlast the Cold Steel War/Trench Hawk in the long run for heavy heavy woodland usage?.... thanks

@411Outdoors

Ай бұрын

I really do. If you could find a way to sharpen it down it’s indestructible

@qparxiii

Ай бұрын

@@411Outdoors - thanks and you're obviously right for normal use but I think a concern is using the spike to basically pry and twist in hardwood and could it warp or bend the steel and would the polypropylene return to it's shape?

@411Outdoors

Ай бұрын

@@qparxiii probably not. If I think about the apocalypse, I’m definitely with the Estwing even though I’m a normal situation that hawk cuts better and works a little better. Wild war between those two haha

Entertaining. But anything that is thrown a lot will eventually break. Some good cordage and a strong branch will fix the War Hawk. That other thing is only good if that is all you have. In SHTF you won't be able to run electricity to shave off the extra metal to make it operable. It will only be good as a decent zombie head banger.

Is there any advantage to the SOG fasthawk besides price? Why is that NOT an apples to apples comparison? Thanks

@411Outdoors

3 ай бұрын

I like the fast hawk better than both of these. I recommend securing the handle with some hockey tape if you’re going to throw it.

@qparxiii

3 ай бұрын

@@411Outdoors - I appreciate. Why the Fast Hawk? thanks

I’ve put off getting the Estwing because of the sticking issue

@411Outdoors

Жыл бұрын

Yep it really struggles. Pine grain or soft wood is all mine will stick in even after I modified it. The edge is just too thick

@mileab6725

Жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors really appreciate the info man, thank you. Great vid .

Fun stuff, subscribed. Try CS Recon hawk. It's based on Demko hawk from designer Andrew Demko. Full tang and even cheaper than war hawk. My favorite tomahawk so far...

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Love it! Did a review on it back in dec 🙂👍

Yes i totally agree with the winner 🏆 👍🏻👍🏻

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

😂👊👍

Up front and honest, I have zero experience in tomahawk. I do have years of experience in construction. Estwing is my go to hammer. I have and use 16, 20, 22, 24 ,and 26 oz hammers. The only hammer I have found that holds up on the construction site day in, day out. I'm surprised by the results. Usually, when Estwing puts their name on something, it's good. Ie hatchet, camp axe that I own are at least on par to other brands I own. I throw darts almost every day. I have the exact same dart in 2 different weights. I find if I'm fresh, the 21 gram version does it for me. Towards the end of the work week, the 25gram get me there. Is there any correlation to arm strength and speed? Asking for a friend. Lol!

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

😂 I’m sure haha! I love Estwing stuff. The Estwing Sportsman Axe is my favorite. Wished I had 100 lol

Many places have spare handles for the war hawk and trench hawk. Im currently on my second trench hawk as someone stole my first one. But replacement handles off Amazon are less than $10.00 Also believe that the head designs of the cold steel are wayyyy more advance than the Estwing. I say Cold Steel all day!!!

@411Outdoors

7 ай бұрын

They are definitely better choppers for sure

You can make a steel handle for the CS. You need 3 steel plates. One plate is for the handle, the other 2 plates are shorter and are used to fix he head with the handle. You should wield the handle with the head, than drill 2 holes in the shorter plates and one hole in the handle. Fix the handle and the head with 2 plates using the bolts and wield all plates together. Wield carefully near the head to not overheat the head. But I think a partial wielding will be strong enough too. Than wrap the handle with paracord or use g10 , wood etc for the handle pads

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent! I’ll have to get with a buddy of mine who’s good at this kind of stuff and see what we can do

@kivenkantania

2 жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors an oval pipe and 2 bols are suitable also. Drill the holes in the pipe, put the head in it and fix. Wield the nuts. For the pipe of thiner diameter slice the bearing in the middle alone the pipe, insert the head, fix with the bolts and wield the pipe and the head steel plate along the bearing where they contact to teach other. The second variant is better and more reliable.

@kivenkantania

2 жыл бұрын

m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmiIlsSPgLrHo9Y.html my axe

Hell yea buddy!! " infinity ♾️ tomahawks!" 😅👍🏿👍🏿

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

😂👏👊

Both of those are weapons first, tools second. I like the War Hawk better, more hitting power. And I do collect tomahawks and small axes. Also if you are a wood worker, you could make your own handle for the War Hawk, maybe even a longer one, or a shorter one. But non the less weapons first, tools second. Now the tomahawks I buy are tools first, and weapons second.

@411Outdoors

Жыл бұрын

I made my first wooden handle for a Tomahawk a few months back and it was such an exciting feeling

@longrider42

Жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors And there is no reason why you could not make a handle for the War Hawk. Might be a bit of a challenge to make that slot, but I think its doable. Have fun. I've been throwing hawks since the early 80's and I've never broken a handle. Dinged, dented and chipped, but never broken ;)

Have some time down with both. Even out of the box the Estwing damages targets fine, if not more than other hawks, but doesn't stick which is an advantage unless you want to loose your tool. As for the cut test 2 hands vs 1 handed is hardly fair but even so the edge on the Estwing lasts forever and does the job and I am yet to find another tomahawk that lasts that isn't near 1/2 a grand and some pain to field sharpen 'super steel'. The Cold Steel hawks spike breaks on mud bricks and sandstone where the Estwing keeps goin like a champ. Smaller edges sharpen easiest in the outback as large flat surfaces are rare. Estwing has made it into the theatre with this one.

I have a 13 inch tomahawk Rosewood handle with a custom engraved head, and just a beat up I bought the war hawk from cold steel, do you know the first thing I did. I marked 3 inches down from the top bolt at that point I wrapped the 550 power cord about 6 inches worth going over the bottom bolt. And then I took a paintbrush and bathed it in two-part Apoxsee right over the 550 power cord, I just laid it on thick it’s almost smooth you can hardly feel the 550. Reason I did that Is because I seen too many videos where they break at that bottom bolt so I got the best of both worlds it’s just as strong as a full tank and I have my custom tomahawk just to look good ,good luck friend.

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

This is some super awesome info brother 🔥 thanks so much

@jojojeep1

2 жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors Honestly I don’t think I ever made a video on that modification so I made one about an hour ago stop by and check it out

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@jojojeep1 just finished and really enjoyed that 👍👍

@jojojeep1

2 жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors Thanks, I just finished putting a high gloss Buff on the Apoxsee it looks awesome

Those types of handles are very robust however I believe they were meant for the hawk to engage humans, i pick the estwing hands down eyes closed. I have a cs trail hawk which i love but the estwing in my eyes is just like an rmj. Obviously not the same but they tick the same box for me, same reason i dont like folders even tho i own a spyderco matriarch, not full tang. Ill take my serrated kobun over any folder ever, same with hawks

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Well stated! I relate to a lot of this. I’m pretty obsessed with fixed blades as well. I have thought about getting the Voyager from Cold Steel as a folder being a sweet looking Tanto. I may check out those hawks you mentioned

im estwing all the way

@411Outdoors

Жыл бұрын

I did some modifying on mine using a grinder and a worksharp. Is performing much better and it will last forever

I've replaced my CS WARHAWK. It was easy and affordable. I bought a few handles for less than hundred 💵 (USD)

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea! I’m doing the same

@demunbell

2 жыл бұрын

Trench & warhawk share the same handle😉

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@demunbell That is some great info because I was not sure!

Morning buddy. My take away from this is, your appreciation of you simple estwing hatchet is justified. I wouldn't touch the cold steel simply because of the handle. A cross pin through the handle and blade is the primary stress point and not a particular indestructible one. As a camp tool, the estwing suffers, 31 chops to do a task that could be done with one stomp of your boot, holding my nose in disgust 😉. If you had to bug out in a hurry, the hatchet is the obvious choice. Even in a SHTF scenerio, you're will be chopping more firewood than bad guys. Plus you don't seem to have any trouble throwing it. Lastly, a spike traditionally, at least with European axes was for punching through heavy plate armor. Not exactly a concern today. The flat face of the hatchet as a hammer is much more useful on a daily basis.

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

I truly love reading you analysis brother and your attention to detail. I most definitely prefer that full tang style. You’re right the Estwing tomahawk was 31 licks on that limb. My estwing axe woulda been 5 haha. I would primarily use the War Hawk for war haha

I have had my trench hawk for like 4 yrs and I beat the snot out of it, chopped miles of trees and thrown it thousands of times. I have a tiny bit of a stress line in the polypropylene handle but it's nothing to worry about. Pluss my son uses it every chance. I love my wooden handle hawks but love the trench hawk too.

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

That’s great to know bud. Been afraid to throw mine a lot. It throws sweeeeet though

@ChuckinSteel

2 жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors yeah it feels like throwing a small axe bc of the length

@ChuckinSteel

2 жыл бұрын

@@411Outdoors even though we know how to say it in Bama we call it eastwing

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChuckinSteel very true! The handle is great for swinging too

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChuckinSteel 😂😂 I had to really do some research because that too was knee jerk pronunciation lol

Get bouth

@411Outdoors

Жыл бұрын

Yep I did.

Earned a sub with this'un young man. The vioce for the War Hawk was spot on!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I have the C.S. Trench Hawk, War Hammer, and the Viking Hand Axe... among others... as a matter of fact I just posted a video at the beginning of this month covering my C.S. collection, check it out if you are of a mind to. Cheers!

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome brother I appreciate it greatly! I’m most definitely gonna check that out!🙂🤝

Less talk more show my guy

@411Outdoors

Жыл бұрын

I get that “talk to much” stuff from time to time but monologing is just my style. If you want more action, check out my training playlist on the channel. It’s non stop action

Lol 👍

@411Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

🤣