Thank you, Amichai, for giving Dr. Troy a platform.
@9e7exkbzvwpf7c4 ай бұрын
I'm curious whether Dr. Troy, while distinguishing between those settlements that are built on historic land and not, would make the same distinction between Russian control of ethnically Russian areas of Ukraine and control of Ukrainian areas. Would he feel the same for other territorial claims based on a historical connection?
@chavsmusicАй бұрын
It doesn’t seem like this is the type of interview you’d have wanted to listen to. It’s Obviously not one your audience would be open whatsoever to listen to ether. I therefore give you credit for doing this and leaving it on.
@chavsmusicАй бұрын
@amichai, I don’t expect you to answer, but I’m curious if you personally believe that it is possible that Palestinians will accept a) any form of sovereign Jewish state remaining within that region b) if you believe the Palestinians would accept Jews living their peacefully at this point if they regained full control of that region (from the river to the sea). If you do believe so there of these, can you please post any links of sources what makes you believe that?
@ami1649
Ай бұрын
Short answers: a) Yes they can and would accept an equitable arrangement with Palestinians and Israelis coexisting in the region. The Zionists I know believe Palestinians are unreasonable and will never accept a Jewish state. But these same Zionists have never met a Palestinian in real life so I believe this perspective is born out of fear (understandable!), trauma (legitimate!) and ignorance. After meeting Palestinians in real life and reading more about the Palestinian perspective I realized that Palestinians are human beings just like you and me and just like any other American or Canadian or Jordanian citizen they only want to live with freedom and security for their children, with self-determination and civil-rights etc. (which they currently are denied). b) if the Israeli government suddenly dissolved would chaos break out in the region? Yes...but that's not what anyone is imagining or advocating for. This same exact question came up in the late-80s/early-90s when a similar debate was going on about Apartheid in South Africa. "If the black majority in South Africa gained full control of the region, would that be a problem for the white minority that currently holds a full monopoly on power?" Sure - but dismantling apartheid or any system of injustice doesn't mean creating a power vacuum without a stable government and without democracy and without rule of law where anyone can take revenge on anybody else. This question comes up a lot and warrants a much longer response, which is why I often recommend Ami Ayalon's book "Friendly Fire" which deals extensively with these issues. Ami grew up with the same mainstream Zionist education I grew up with, and eventually was appointed head of the Shin Bet. As head of the Shin Bet he met Palestinians for the first time in his life and learned about the Palestinian struggle and his world view completely changed and he came to the conclusion that Israel will never have peace/security until there is justice for the Palestinians. I made three videos on Friendly Fire which you can find as the first three videos of my Israel/Palestine playlist.
@chavsmusic
13 күн бұрын
Thank you for responding to my question and for your recommendation of the book friendly fire. I'll most certainly read that. As far as the Palastianin comparisons to South African apartheid, I don't see how that can be compared. As far as i know, They are two very different situations. The Palestinians are driven by very different motivations than were the South Africans. It makes all the difference. Any sources you recommend that would recommend that proves otherwise?
@ozzy791214 күн бұрын
I gotta give you credit for doing this interview, Amichai. As much as i know you disagree with nearly everything he stated. My answer to 36:31 is, bluntly, that that choice should be on the removal of Hamas. According to Hamas, there are approximately 30 hostages which are still alive. The hostage negotiation for Gilad Shalit, where 1,000 prisoners were released, costed Israel far more lives than Shalit alone, and i think that keeping Hamas in power will do the same.
@4rmDEC2FRE2 ай бұрын
I see why the view count is low. Let me get away from this nonesense
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Thank you, Amichai, for giving Dr. Troy a platform.
I'm curious whether Dr. Troy, while distinguishing between those settlements that are built on historic land and not, would make the same distinction between Russian control of ethnically Russian areas of Ukraine and control of Ukrainian areas. Would he feel the same for other territorial claims based on a historical connection?
It doesn’t seem like this is the type of interview you’d have wanted to listen to. It’s Obviously not one your audience would be open whatsoever to listen to ether. I therefore give you credit for doing this and leaving it on.
@amichai, I don’t expect you to answer, but I’m curious if you personally believe that it is possible that Palestinians will accept a) any form of sovereign Jewish state remaining within that region b) if you believe the Palestinians would accept Jews living their peacefully at this point if they regained full control of that region (from the river to the sea). If you do believe so there of these, can you please post any links of sources what makes you believe that?
@ami1649
Ай бұрын
Short answers: a) Yes they can and would accept an equitable arrangement with Palestinians and Israelis coexisting in the region. The Zionists I know believe Palestinians are unreasonable and will never accept a Jewish state. But these same Zionists have never met a Palestinian in real life so I believe this perspective is born out of fear (understandable!), trauma (legitimate!) and ignorance. After meeting Palestinians in real life and reading more about the Palestinian perspective I realized that Palestinians are human beings just like you and me and just like any other American or Canadian or Jordanian citizen they only want to live with freedom and security for their children, with self-determination and civil-rights etc. (which they currently are denied). b) if the Israeli government suddenly dissolved would chaos break out in the region? Yes...but that's not what anyone is imagining or advocating for. This same exact question came up in the late-80s/early-90s when a similar debate was going on about Apartheid in South Africa. "If the black majority in South Africa gained full control of the region, would that be a problem for the white minority that currently holds a full monopoly on power?" Sure - but dismantling apartheid or any system of injustice doesn't mean creating a power vacuum without a stable government and without democracy and without rule of law where anyone can take revenge on anybody else. This question comes up a lot and warrants a much longer response, which is why I often recommend Ami Ayalon's book "Friendly Fire" which deals extensively with these issues. Ami grew up with the same mainstream Zionist education I grew up with, and eventually was appointed head of the Shin Bet. As head of the Shin Bet he met Palestinians for the first time in his life and learned about the Palestinian struggle and his world view completely changed and he came to the conclusion that Israel will never have peace/security until there is justice for the Palestinians. I made three videos on Friendly Fire which you can find as the first three videos of my Israel/Palestine playlist.
@chavsmusic
13 күн бұрын
Thank you for responding to my question and for your recommendation of the book friendly fire. I'll most certainly read that. As far as the Palastianin comparisons to South African apartheid, I don't see how that can be compared. As far as i know, They are two very different situations. The Palestinians are driven by very different motivations than were the South Africans. It makes all the difference. Any sources you recommend that would recommend that proves otherwise?
I gotta give you credit for doing this interview, Amichai. As much as i know you disagree with nearly everything he stated. My answer to 36:31 is, bluntly, that that choice should be on the removal of Hamas. According to Hamas, there are approximately 30 hostages which are still alive. The hostage negotiation for Gilad Shalit, where 1,000 prisoners were released, costed Israel far more lives than Shalit alone, and i think that keeping Hamas in power will do the same.
I see why the view count is low. Let me get away from this nonesense