Thank you so much, Ami, for this and your other recent videos. You are an incredibly thoughtful interviewer.

Thank you for this thoughtful and thought provoking interview.

Excellent presentation. If I had a rabbi, Shaul Magid would be the one.

@arimoff

Ай бұрын

If that is your definition of Judaism, your Judaism is worth nothing

So happy I found this channel 🤍

@danielcarvalho1453

5 ай бұрын

Dr. Magid fails to recognize that Zionism is a colonial movement. I appreciate his realization that Zionism is problematic, but it is wrong to say both Israel and Palestine have "equal, legitimate" claims to the land. This is not a "both sides" issue but an issue of colonialism. Israel's existence is completely illegitimate since it is built on land that Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from in 1948, on land that is continually expanding into more and more Palestinian and other Arab land. There is no "middle ground" or "neutral" position to take, because that only helps to maintain the oppressor's power.

Ami, you had recommended the book Friendly Fire by Ami Ayalon. (In response to my comment that im unable to find now) I found it intersting, informative and powerful. And other reading material you can recommend?

@ami1649

12 күн бұрын

Hi, thank you for this update. My reaction to Ayalon's book was similar to what you describe. The short answer is I don't have another book to recommend. I've read some other books on the topic, but there's so much out there and many more books I want to read. If you come across anything worthwhile please let me know!

Thank you for this earnest internal progression. However, you astound me that you do not even touch upon the central, existential, in your face, fact. Crudely put: We murdered your families, stole your lands, homes, small wealth gained generation by generation. So we are willing to "forgive" you. Why can't you let us keep what we stole, it's all in the past, just forget about it. This phenomenal blind spot is not unusual, from what I have so far seen. Are you willing or able to make this profound black hole explicable?

@sarashepard7504

5 ай бұрын

I see it too. They never talk about reparations or justice for what they’ve done to Palestinians. Never so much as an apology either. Somehow Palestinians still have to accept the decisions of the Zionist thinking they can stay and live in a land they stole and who use an illogical extremist god complex to justify subjugating and enslaving millions of people under a brutal violent dictatorship.

@sarahkelly2350

4 ай бұрын

many believe the 'authority' of the bible and/or the balfour declaration carry some righteous weight on everyone everywhere, the real, whole truth of history would be too much for some to swallow, this, and what I have heard of his work thus far is a great, reasonable introduction to a wider perspective for those who think government and whatever their channel are the pure, exclusive arbiters of truth...

@26:00 I find that confession of erasure about Palestinians fascinating... Can that not be a type of hatred? Cold, indifferent hatred as opposed to hot hatred?

@Rita1984

5 ай бұрын

You cant erase a people who have zero history. The jews and samaritans were the last people in the land to be a people there and to have an identity not from an empire. After christianity became dominant, as a christian you had a foreign identity - greek, latin, armenian, assyrian, copt, arab, basically your identity was whatever colonialist or settler church you became a part of. The muslims further identified with their colonial powers bc everyone was muslim and didnt need another identity. After the jews were genocided and/or ethnically cleansed from the land, the christians and muslims had the identity of a tofu like substance with no indigenous tribal israelite identity. The jews coming back after being f*cked in the diaspora is a huge blow to the arabs, identityless Christians and muslims, and the palestinian identity was only shaped and formed into what it is today because of the soviet union in the 1960s, so palestinian identity isnt even native it’s foreign colonialist european and russian!! 😅😅😅😅😅.

@sarashepard7504

5 ай бұрын

It’s hatred. Although where did that hatred come from since they stole the land and killed the people of the land.

@jboudon11

4 ай бұрын

derrick jensen's a shithead but he was good for quick summative quotes, he said that "any hatred felt long enough and deeply enough no longer feels like hatred. It feels like economics, or religion, or tradition, or simply the way things are.”

@arimoff

Ай бұрын

I find accusing jews of erasing imaginary people called arab Palestinians is either dumb or pure jew hate. Jews no longer will be submitting to Islamic slave rule and will fight for their freedom

Dr. Magid raises the rhetorical question "What then?" [36:33] and answers it himself, "That's not what the book is about ... They have to figure out a way of living within that situation where both homelands are acknowledged." That's weak and naïve. Duh! Of course they have to figure out a way to live in a new situation. So does Ukraine and Russia, Taiwan and China, North and South Korea, to name a few. His may have been a realistic statement in 1947. However, if Dr. Magid is unable or unwilling to propose or cite some models which might work, he is unconvinced that there could be such a model, and this reduces his "They have to figure out a way to live within that situation" to meaningless jibber-jabber.

@sarashepard7504

5 ай бұрын

It’s simple. The thieves can’t be rewarded for stealing something that isn’t theirs. They have dual citizenship and can and should move back to their respective countries and leave the Palestinians in peace. And they should pay reparations and many should be tried and brought to justice for the crimes they committed against the people of Palestine.

@rexbigelow66

5 ай бұрын

@@sarashepard7504 Should, should, should. Sh*t in one hand and should in the other, and see which hand has more in it. But you state your position very clearly. Thanks for that.

@chavsmusic

Ай бұрын

Thank you Rex for spelling out my thoughts. I grew satmar anti Zionist and one side of my family has been living in Jerusalem for many generations. I have no idea how shaul magid can ignore the fact that, although anti Zionist, satmar as a whole is a rabidly racist group and doesn’t begin to care about the Palestinians from a humanist perspective. His talk is useless intellectual jibber-jabber indeed that was relevant back in 1947, but at this point is useless, unpractical and even dangerous gibberish. It’s just talk that is about himself feel like the good guy, which at this point is just buying into the current anti Israeli zeitgeist to further bolster his ideas - ideas that are dangerous to promulgate in a world where so many mindless people run around the streets chanting things they are clueless about. Ami seems like a truly thoughtful interviewer. I just wish his perspective wasn’t so painted by such strong self reproach. It’s great that he’s grown past whatever indoctrination he’s been raised with to see the humanity of the Palestinians but the way to a bright future is to look for practical solutions, not this bending over backwards in ways self flagellating ways that add to the problem, and take away clarity towards constructive justice just as much as blindness to the other does. @sarashepard - it’s just a small minority that have dual citizenship. Where exactly should the rest of them go? Perhaps educate yourself a little more before making thoughtless and senseless comments

seeking to adapt the traditional faith to new conditions... the essential form of Judaism enabled it to hold together a people hounded as no other has been in history by it's very narrowness and exclusivity... the good / evil dynamic of all history Judaism gave Christianity Yahweh, a book and the idea of a new testament..watch the film THE SETTLERS...

Liberal zionism described as jewish haven and liberal democracy is valid, appealing, useful. That it has been applied over n extended period within the green line speaks to its success. The AND component is critical, national AND democracy, like every other valid national entity on the planet. When it becomes national OR democratic is the problem.

Getting at at the fundamental truth A people who go in the name of God & Covenant, the only connection between God & man, know not the Covenant other than to manipulating it, who do not even have the book that has its prophecy, leave alone its revelation,

Magid seems to think that what's best for his people is that they should live in various countries and, in each of these societies, provide criticism of what the respective societies are doing. Did anyone in the majority populations of these nations ask for this? Just because he thinks his people has a historical mission does not mean that the world has to fall into line. Many people have fallen into line, however. It's what's been happening in several Western countries for decades already and the results are far from good.

Its dreadful to listen to this, blind leading the blind….some reflection on Jews from Mars, pluto and Peoria all having a right to take my brothers home from him after a 1000 years of residence…this is almost obsecne

It used to be that whenever you talked to a Palestinian about a possibility of peace, they would bring up 1948 and use that for their intractable position. October 7, 2023 has become the date that Israelis point to whenever one brings up the possibility of peace with the Palestinians, let alone a Palestinian state. It sounds like you are talking about a one state solution. And, that just does not seem feasible. The big takeaway I have from this show is agreeing that it is unfortunate that the most likely response by Israel is an even tighter grip on the Palestinians. However, I just don’t see an alternative. If you really think about it, Gaza was left relatively alone in 2005, but there were Hamas flareups in 2008, 2014, and then significantly in 2023.

@sarashepard7504

5 ай бұрын

Gaza was not “left alone” at any point by your brutal occupation. They were besieged up until now. They were being controlled militarily from land sea and air. Those “flare ups” were Israel “mowing the lawn”. Operation cast lead, operation protective edge were massacres perpetrated on the Gaza Strip to keep their population down. They were not “allowed”, as slaves, to fish more than 3 miles into the sea. Fish don’t grow in 3 mile deep water. 6 miles is what is needed to fish at the bare minimum. And if they dared to go a little deeper in they would be gunned down by gun ships that terrorize them. The gun ships periodically (depending on the psychopathy of the IOF soldiers mood) would be gunned down on the shore as they were going about their business. Nothing goes in or out of Gaza without the heavy hand of the occupation. Their diets are kept at a starvation plus ration. They are deliberately malnourished and kept hungry by the occupation. So stop using Hamas as an excuse for the brutal inhumane living conditions they suffered at the hands of deranged psychopaths that are the apartheid regime of “Israel”. 75 years and 96 days is enough of this barbarism.

Give Hamas 72 hours to get back all the hostages and plan on table for dismantling terror. If not, Give Gaza 72 hours for people to clear. Egypt can take them. Then, Level Gaza. Period.

@Rabbivision4Goyim

Ай бұрын

Hoaxtages

Jews original home was not Israel...god gave them Israel as a second homeland...they were homeless.(?)

@Captain_Brown_Beard

5 ай бұрын

Doesnt matter, they were there before the Arbas that took the name Palestinians from Rome

@chrisfreed9806

5 ай бұрын

This is tremendously impressive commentary, which is all too rare in this tragic dangerous situation. If the way forward is to be found, it has to be on a solid foundation, with a conscious, informed, honest examination of world views and history and contemporary realities. Listening to this interview is actually moving because of the depth of understanding, and is is also sad because of the rareness of this kind of discussion in a time of such degraded and dishonest dialog.

@chrisfreed9806

5 ай бұрын

At any rate, TRULY, thank you.

@Rabbivision4Goyim

Ай бұрын

"G-d" had already given them Biribijan!