As an iranian, it's quite funny that there are some people in here believe they should return it to Iran.

@bobvdukeofbobaria8062

Жыл бұрын

Its like if a diamond was stolen from Iceland by UK and people from france believe they should get it lmao

@vergesserforgetter2160

Жыл бұрын

@@bobvdukeofbobaria8062 I guess because Persian was an important language in the subcontinent? Honestly wish the brits would just smash it or throw it in the see and let them all seethe.

@KrishnaDas-il9vu

Жыл бұрын

You're right and wrong at the same time. Why not we {Indians(The real Indians)}demand for Kohinoor too alongside this other things you mentioned, at the end it's ours {Indians (The real India's people)}, India is a country with the capital Delhi alongside south India part just like north _ east and west parts so you don't have to think about British should give the diamond back to Delhi or southern part of India. You sound like ' technically I'm (you) a man from middle east originally and now I'm (you) a Pakistani so kohinoor isn't ours (Pakistanis) so we can't take it so then even India shouldn't have the kohinoor'. Britishers took power of India once from Indians - they stole two hundred years from India and Indians (in your opinion which I agreed on) which Indians can't have it back- same as mughals (muslims)_ came from middle east and took power of India from Indians and stole so many years from Indians which India can't have it back too, even mughals (muslims) robbed soil of India from Indians and created new country which divided even further later on in history and still till date trying to robb part of India. Kohinoor have to bring back to home ( the original home).

@karaqakkzl

Жыл бұрын

Because Koh-i-nur is a Farsi word, probably, it might have indian name but no, that's maybe why

@PlatonicHesaf

Жыл бұрын

@@karaqakkzl it is a persian word but i mean we only had it for about 20 years i donno .

Was watching your series on Islam and didn't realize you were from the Indian Subcontinent. Very hard to find historians from here on youtube who deal with their content with such professionalism, unbiasedness and meticulous detail. Kudos!

@naisa9705

Жыл бұрын

He spread false history lol

@PetrolMuzungu

Жыл бұрын

@@naisa9705 Baseless accusation or care to back it up with facts and sources? See this as a chance to correct a historic misrepresentation or falsehood.

@naisa9705

Жыл бұрын

@@PetrolMuzungu loll.. the way we muslims wrote history is not like you (western ppl). Tbh, the channel called "Kings and General" (it's western channel not islamic channel) is far far better than this shit channel when it comes to islamic history- This channel should rename his channel name cuz it has nothing to do with islam

@anirudh177

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he is a historian, It's good to see people promoting subcontinental history on public platforms, but doing that alone does not make one a historian. Of course, if he does have professional education in history and was trained in the field he would be a historian, but I don't know of his qualifications.

@lioraselby5328

Жыл бұрын

@Iam ELIAS that's just the name, though

Thanks! "The most precious thing they stole from us was time" this is brilliant. As an egyptian, I always say the same about the Ottomans too.

@bratwurststattsucuk4517

Жыл бұрын

The Egyptians were subject to many Empires. Yet why is the cope always so big over the Ottomans?

@abdelra7man87

Жыл бұрын

@@bratwurststattsucuk4517 because it is the most recent, and came after a period of independence, development and regional leadership. Most importantly, the Ottomans, unlike all other occupiers, literally isolated Egypt and drained it from all of its talents eventually resulting in a stagnation and prevention of development.

@bratwurststattsucuk4517

Жыл бұрын

@@abdelra7man87 So what about the British that literally are the most recent Oppressors and Occupiers ?

@jetpigeon8758

Жыл бұрын

It is such a shame that a nation such as Egypt was so powerful during the time of the Pharaohs, and since then it has become an embarrassing sand box with dirty cities and a poor society. Some empires remain at least in part, like the Romans, Italy is still a wealthy nation, and Britain, which is still a very rich nation, but Egypt is just embarrassing in 2022, such a shame.

@abdelra7man87

Жыл бұрын

@@jetpigeon8758 agree with you my friend, it's a shame. But it is also cycles. Egypt has not been only poor since the Pharoahs there were areas when it was powerful and rich like the ptolomeics, fatimids, ayubids and memluks. It's just cycles.

Instead of the Kohinoor we should be asking back all those historical and important artifacts they stole and are currently proudly showing off in the British museum

@AlMuqaddimahYT

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Those artifacts were produced by us and show our growth as a civilization. Kohinoor was made by nature and has no real historical value.

@moyurbird7829

Жыл бұрын

Ur so correct

@moyurbird7829

Жыл бұрын

@@AlMuqaddimahYT that (what I'm replying to) is absolutely trash I could start an entire debate on this

@kevinsandow5354

Жыл бұрын

@@vardekpetrovic9716 well, the mona lisa is only a moneymaking machine due to how famous it is, but mostly a minor painting for art history, and France having it instead of Italy is hardly comparable to a colonial power having the treasures of their ex--colonies. I do think that one countries should get back what was stolen from them, but I wonder what Al Muqaddimah has to say about pre-islamic sites and historical objects being destroyed in Islamic countries. Appart from ISIS, that I know purposefully aimed at destroying these, what is the case in Pakistan and other islamic countries regarding this issue? What examples do you present to sustain that argument? I recently visited the National Museum in Beirut and found them proudly and zealously taking care of their pre-islamic cultural heritage, even during the violent conflicts the country has gone through. I'm honestly curious to hear a non-western and probably better informed source on this topic.

@StewartEvans52

Жыл бұрын

@@vardekpetrovic9716 well said

The "Queen Mother's crown" isn't like an official thing, it is only called that because of who it belonged to. Camilla can freely wear the crown or have the diamond transferred to a new crown whenever she wishes. Even in the event that she outlives the King it would be unlikely that she is given the title of Queen Mother, considering she isn't William's mum

@nuotatorre8741

Жыл бұрын

That is true. Camilla would not be Queen Mom if she out lives Charles because she wouldn't be the mother of the king, She would be the queen widow. However not all the mothers of a king can be Queen Mothers, for example Lady Margaret Beaufort was Henry'VII mother but she wouldn't be styled as Queen Mother today because King Henry VII's dad was not king.

@Cara-39

Жыл бұрын

​@@nuotatorre8741 The title is Dowager Queen, not queen widow.

@tc2334

24 күн бұрын

I personally doubt she’ll choose to wear it at all given the context of it. Honestly, it might just be retired indefinitely and only seen one display rather than on the head of any of Britain’s future queens.

So the Kohinoor being recovered would just cause conflict. Sounds a lot like Tolkien's Arkenstone.

@muhammadsuhairi7510

Жыл бұрын

Or the Silmarlis ):

@sallmandar1027

Жыл бұрын

@@muhammadsuhairi7510 or the One Ring

@respectthefish4992

2 ай бұрын

literally the gem of discord (I hope UK holds on to it and falls)

As a Bangladeshi seeing Pakistanis,Indians,Iranians and Afghans fighting for the Koh-i-Noor is one of the most funniest thing 😂 But one thing goes vastly unnoticed and what bothers me is that during 1942-1943 a horrible famine struck Bangladesh which was under Birtish rule back then and almost 4 million people died...This was a man-made famine.. Perpetrated by British govt 😑..Not many know about It and the Brits keeps a low profile about their part in the famine

@bratwurststattsucuk4517

Жыл бұрын

We should be fighting to get rid of Western Supremacy in the Region yet we infight over worthless stones.

@cgt3704

Жыл бұрын

Eh. Still not as big as the GREAT Bengal Famine

@jetpigeon8758

Жыл бұрын

Famines happen globally each year, to blame the British every time is simply wrong, people need to learn how to grow crops and live.

@ToastieBRRRN

Жыл бұрын

@@jetpigeon8758 Exactly. And blaming just the British solely on the WW2 Bengal famine neglects the fact it was a web of failures that was exacerbated by the Japanese capture of Burma.

@nyimdewan3353

Жыл бұрын

@@jetpigeon8758 Ohh really....You wanna know how It happened? The Japanese were gaining upperhand in Burma..The Brits were terrified and used scorching earth tactics in the presidency of Bengal...They looted the crops for themselves and whatever they couldn't take they burned.The burned the grain silos,burned harvested crops and burned thousands of acres of rice fields and left the population of Bengal Presidency with nothing.. Absolutely nothing...As the Presidency Of Bengal was vastly agrarian It used to produce one of the most grains and crops in the Indian Subcontinent.This reckless and evil act wiped out almost 4 million...Close to the Nazis innit? They took 6 years to take out 6 million Jews whereas in the semi man made famine 4 million were starved to death almost in the span of 1-1.5 years...Heck Brits even officially never wanted to admit their guilt...There also very very horrible histories of the Brits in the Bengal Presidency...The famine of 1770,the Indigo Merchents/plantation owners were a true horror..They would force the farmers to harvest Indigo on their lands...The Brits would pay very less for their harvest so It became very hard for them to feed their family and many would strave to death..Also cultivating indigo would decrease fertility of the land resulting in poor harvest of food crops..The Brits would take away lands,burn houses,kill family members, rape wives and daughters If someone rejected to harvest Indigo for them..Beating of the farmers were very common practice..There are countless cases where they simply whipped farmers to death.

They should give Kohinoor back to his original owner - ME!

@AlMuqaddimahYT

Жыл бұрын

The People's Caliphate of Al Muqaddimah recognizes your claim.

@wkeklaalal1577

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it should be returned to ME🗿

@realgalicia

Жыл бұрын

No, it truly belongs to me. You are a fake, a fraud just to get the Kohinoor for you only.

@PPD-40

Жыл бұрын

No me 🗿

@KILLER.KNIGHT

5 ай бұрын

I’ll take the Peacock Throne then.

Bold video. Strong argument. I'd expect nothing less from Al Muqaddimah.

@filhanislamictv8712

Жыл бұрын

Robust comment

@kemchy3838

Жыл бұрын

I'd expect nothing less from siawish Make of that what you will

Let Kohinoor diamond be an example of how much torture British gave to the South Asians. Our pain must not be forgotten. Having an diamond on our head is not important, Having an brain inside the head is important. As an Indian, I say let that diamond be with the british, stealing an diamond from an 9 years old king in pakistan doesnt make them "Great"

@alfieingrouille1528

9 ай бұрын

Well having a empire where the sun never sets definately categorizes a empire as great

@thetrooper2741

9 ай бұрын

The diamond was gifted to the British

@MrEvrit

8 ай бұрын

Wasn't the diamond transferred from one warlord to the other after defeat? You call it stolen but the diamond was given to the British with a contract.

How you said "why don't we start with bringing him *home*" was very very powerful, it gave me chills

great video. small note: camilla probably wont be queen mother even if she outlives charles because she is not william's mother. queen mother generally means mother of the monarch, diana was the mother of william so that right was reserved for her.

@johnkilmartin5101

Жыл бұрын

The proper term would be queen dowager which she would be. Usually the widow of one monarch is the mother of the next just not in this case. When George VI died there were two dowagers. The term Queen mother came into use because to differentiate Elizabeth the consort from Elizabeth regnant.

@Margatatials

Жыл бұрын

yep the term was started by Henry VII who wanted a title for his mother that was never a queen and thus couldn't be a Dowager queen

Thank you for mentioning bringing back Maharaja Duleep Singh’s remains to his kingdom, he never visited. His story is really tragic. Finally someone mentioned him. If you got time in future, please make video on him or on Sikh empire. I would like to hear story from neutral muslim perspective! ❤

@Ishpreetb264

Жыл бұрын

I think he mentioned that he will make a video on Sikh - Mughal relationship.

@storiesofoldpanjab107

Жыл бұрын

@@Ishpreetb264 Maharaja Duleep Singh's story in not part of Mughal- Sikh relations , it's a different story।

@Ishpreetb264

Жыл бұрын

@@storiesofoldpanjab107 I know but it seems probable that at least the Sikh empire will be talked about. This channel is focused on Islamic history so I don't think Duleep Singh's story will ever be told on this channel.

@storiesofoldpanjab107

Жыл бұрын

@@Ishpreetb264 let’s see!

@shariqiqbalrai

Жыл бұрын

Duleep Singh’s ashes should be kept in Ranjeet Singh’s samadhi at Lahore.

To be honest I'd love to see a video about Nader Shah. Highly underrated figure here in the West

@papazataklaattiranimam

Жыл бұрын

He was one the best warriors in history even in the top 10 but most people don’t know him😅

@barrymoore4470

Жыл бұрын

He was a brutal, ruthless mass murderer, which of course doesn't mean people shouldn't know and learn about him. After all, Genghis Khan, Timur, Stalin, and Mao, among so many others in history, have been guilty of similar atrocities, yet it is still important to study them and their legacies.

@thepr1ntgnome430

Жыл бұрын

@@barrymoore4470 tell me one ruler who wasn't a mass murderer?

@Millathunmain

Жыл бұрын

@@barrymoore4470 well Winston Churchill was also a tyrant who caused artificial famines in Bengal but we still learn about him!

@turan_kaya

Жыл бұрын

Nader shah. A ruler without a cause.

3:16 Punjabi is usually written in Gurmukhi or Shahmukhi rather than Devanagari, so "Ranjit Singh" should probably be written as either "ਰਣਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ" (Gurmukhi) or "رنجیت سنگھ" (Shahmukhi). Super cool video though!

@thebackbencher680

Жыл бұрын

Khalistani found 🥴

When hearing about Indian colonisation, I've always wanted to know more about the princely states.

@caniblmolstr4503

Жыл бұрын

Hmm.. Its quite different as every princely state had a different equation with the British. People often think British controlled India entire which is absolutely wrong. About 60% of the land and population was still under the princes. Of them the Nizam of Hyderabad who was the richest man of the world from 1920 - 1930 had full autonomy. He was not part of the empire as he had his own government and coins and army. The guy even refused to join India after Independence and had to step down only after a revolution. The Maratha princes were the ones who rebelled in 1857 so they were brutally put down, their armies seized, tax rights dissolved and reduced to titular figures like the British crown. I am talking of the Peshwa of Pune, Scindias of Rajasthan, Holkars of Gwalior and the others of Awadh, Jhansi etc. The Sikh Kingdom was absorbed into the British Raj. The Kingdom of Travancore maintained its independence by pitting the Portuguese and British against each other. So they both decided to just leave it be as it was a useful ally. The Thanjavur and the Baroda Princes paid tribute to the British i exchange for survival. The Kashmir King was fully independent and not part of the Raj just like the Nizam There were then the many petty Rajput kings. They were mostly a non-issue

@justicebydeathnote

Жыл бұрын

@@caniblmolstr4503 the britishers controlled the royalty thats how they invaded india

@mrcool2107

Жыл бұрын

@@caniblmolstr4503 then why in every map I see its shows that British conquered entire India and why no holes in it?

@caniblmolstr4503

Жыл бұрын

@@mrcool2107 coz it's hard to show. It was really random. Also other than the Nizam the others were free basically coz the British found it not worthwhile to invade them, just have them pay tribute

@EAlyahya

Жыл бұрын

@@mrcool2107 I’m from Malaysia which comprises of many states too. Some of the states were crown colonies (direct rule) while others were protectorates and protected states of British empire. Overall we didn’t really feel oppressed as how our neighbour Indonesians felt under the Netherlands though. Our Sultans reigned still then and now. But we all regard the whole Malaysia to be part of British Commonwealth of Nations and celebrate one independence day despite of various experiences/histories with the British empire. I think similar situation can be applied in British India/Raj which was also our headquarter up to 1867.

This is one of the most well-edited videos I have seen. Lots of support from Lucknow, INDIA

As a Brit this was very interesting to watch. Thank you. I once tweeted something along the lines of "We should return the culturally, historically, spiritually, religiously etc valuable items to those who they were taken from. We have more than enough history of our own to display in museums." An archaeologist accused me of being a nationalistic bigot. He took issue with me saying "those they were taken from" which to me is very neutral/mild wording, because he said many were given or gifted or saved. (And I'm the nationalistic bigot?) He also thought I was wrong for stating we should display our own history in our museums and give back the items of significance to other cultures to allow them to decide what is appropriate for them because apparently, thinking we should display British items instead of those that hold significance to other cultures is racist?? I felt like I was in opposite land. But this video shows a very interesting and important perspective that should be talked about more.

@Neion8

Жыл бұрын

100% agree with you but not only is it kinda fucked up that we're hoarding other people's history, not only is it fucked up that we're doing so *instead* of displaying, preserving and funding further research of the history of our own isles which go back at least as far as 800,000 years (check out the Happisburgh footprints if you wanna learn more) but on top of everything else, it'll remain as a permanent sour note in our relationship with former colonies, keeping that wound wide open as we (and future generations) can hardly pass off colonialism as the actions of our long-dead ancestors if we continue to hold onto the trophies of their conquest. There are so many people around the world that have a festering hatred of western civilisation (Britain in particular) that is only growing as time passes and the balance of power shifts away from Europe, there's gonna be a lot of people out for revenge; they may well repeat our ancestor's mistakes and bring yet more suffering into the world simply because the assholes we put in power were stubborn. All this is to say, it's not just a dick move to not return the artifacts, it's also stupid and short-sighted.

Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job

love your work can't believe this happening! Thanks a lot!!!

I'd rather have the remains of Bahadur Shah Zafar brought back since he actually contributed to our country. Dileep Singh spent most of his life like an English nobleman.

@knowledge_triumphant

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. He was abducted but then he stayed there under the patronage of the queen and died due to heavy drinking.

@kamilshah8966

Жыл бұрын

Yeah think same. But isn't he respectfully given place in Burma?

@Tajdar645

Жыл бұрын

@@kamilshah8966 He is, but he wanted to be buried in Delhi in a place he had chosen. Being denied his chosen burial place was one of the things he lamented about at the end of his life.

@shibingeorge89

Жыл бұрын

I heard in the Empire podcast recently that he went away from Britain and tried hard to come back to Punjab and resist the British. He outgrew his kidnapping and brainwashing and was staunchly opppsed to Queen Victoria in the later part of his life!

@Tajdar645

Жыл бұрын

@Shibin George Listen to it again. He turned against Victoria because she refused to support his spendthrift lifestyle. He was drunk for most of his "rebellion" and put his family through hell.

"Afghanistan has a claim on the diamond as well because of course they do." Very solid argument here, they should be top on the list because of course they should. 😁

@Contractor48

Жыл бұрын

They should return it to the one who pay for it.

@sidique

Жыл бұрын

@@Contractor48But it was surrendered, never paid for.

Good to hear your perspective on this issue.

Exactly,thanks for making the video

The sheer agreement I share with you❤

Wonderful explanation Al Muqddimah ❤️❤️❤️.. But a small correction. Camilla will never be called Queen Mother, because she isn't the mother of William.

I recently saw your channel and have now started watching your videos. I like your moderate approach on any topic, impartial views and most importantly your captivating youthful voice. Please keep it up and bring out more research oriented videos. All the best to you. 👍

Best video ever, and the arguments were great.

I don’t think HM Queen Camilla would be styled as Queen Mother, should she live to see the accession of HRH the Prince of Wales as King. It’ll be more likely that she would become “HM the Dowager Queen Camilla.” If HRH Lady Diana Spencer was still alive, it could be that HRH Prince William could style her as Queen Mother upon his accession, since she is his mother, not Queen Camilla.

I'm baffled by our obsession with precious stones in general. I know this is beside the point of the video but crafts like textiles and wood carvings seem way more impressive to me than some shiny thing cut out of the ground.

Another excelent video as always

Massively disagree with your utopian view that India would have been a world power or something without colonialism. I see the Indian states getting like Turkey or Malaysia. Ie they'd be comfortable but not world powers. And the cast system would have REALLY held back the Hindu regions

@anhilatorofignorance2584

Жыл бұрын

Castism way less in Hindu areas Then Terrorism in yours

@anneeq008

Жыл бұрын

@@anhilatorofignorance2584 don't know how you quantify it but good for you. You'd have still burnt your wives as well and not educated girls. If all the people who were civilised by the white people it was definitely you

@zakariakaleem3271

Жыл бұрын

Hell the idea that India would ever become a nation is implausible, before the British arrived there were at 5 separate kingdoms in just what's Pakistan right now

@aakarshmaurya2265

Жыл бұрын

Can you say South Asian muslim community is free of caste and social divisions? Caste is a social construct and a evil in our society. It should be less associated with religion in a modern context even its roots lie in one religion itself

@zakariakaleem3271

Жыл бұрын

@@aakarshmaurya2265 depends on the specific ethnic group, Pashtuns, Baloch don't have caste distinctions, Sindhis practice it quite a lot and Punjabis are sort of in between

This was brilliant. I could feel the indignation in your voice when you spoke about the fate of Duleep Singh. It is extremely upsetting to see how utterly the British destroyed what they conquered. Not just physically.

Great bro!!!... I liked this video the way you put it.. inorder to conceive these taughts, one has to be great intellectual to see the core of what we have lost.. it's not the piece of clear hard Rock we lost.. but actually we have lost 2 centuries of time, de-industrialized, taken harmony between two group of people's which led to partition and hatred towards each other and may continue time immemorial where both are investing more on military instead of development and may both become bankruptcy.. one is already on its way..

A very interesting take, thanks for sharing.

100% agree. There are so many items of real cultural and historical significance that absolutely should be returned but a large diamond chipped out of a mine isn't one of them. The claimants are only fighting because of its size, not because it tells the story of their country or people.

shah jahan did not found old delhi, the place of old delhi had been called indraprastha for many centuries before that shah jahan kinda officialized it (if thats a word) now coming to koh-i-noor though i agree with you that koh-i-noor has no value and it would create more controversy , rather than a celebration of its return the koh-i-noor diamond, was found in golconda mines then In 625 AD, King Pulakesi II of Chalukya dynasty had built the Bhadrakali Temple. When the region came under the reign of Kakatiya rulers, they made Bhadrakali as their tutelary deity,(like a national embelem in today's world) and fixed the left eye of the goddess with the rare Koh-i-Noor diamond.

@zhuzhu9599

Жыл бұрын

Chup be

@stealthxf6313

Жыл бұрын

@@zhuzhu9599 bro is jealous

@freevideodownloadbyJ

Жыл бұрын

Correct

Kohinoor was mined in current day telengana under kakatiya dynasty, the last owner of it Maharaja Ranjit Singh of Sikhs empire in the region of Punjab willed it to Puri Jagannath temple in odisha.

@ritviksood8164

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, lmao still baffles me people think it should not be returned to India.

@Contractor48

Жыл бұрын

Islamist lovers are trying to whitewash the history because they don't want to be held accountable like British.

@vyshakvidyasakar762

Жыл бұрын

They willed it to the Crown in a treaty. Why would they give it to a nanga panga temple controlled by the British?

Shouldn't be returned because it was signed over via treaty. What wasn't mentioned in this video is that both angol-sikh wars were actually started by the sikh and the sikh were the aggressors in both conflicts. The treaty that included the handing over of the diamond was a treaty of peace and that part of the world would be at peace for almost 100 years until the massacre at Amritsar.

Agree with you. Good summing up.

The problem with these arguments is that they tend to focus on the colonial era due to it being the last period when such empires existed. As you point out, conquering armies have crossed across Eurasia for centuries. The horror of colonialism was that industrialization allowed the exploitation and oppression to happen at a scale it never had occurred at before. The British might have been riding the tiger to heights of wealth and power never seen previously, but they were never really in control. The crown didn’t conquer India, or most of Africa, or North America. Often times they actively tried to prevent it. But there were always men who knew what could be done with modern muskets or maxim guns and how they would benefit and didn’t give a damn about the morality. And what was Britain’s reward? Three centuries of almost perpetual blood shed. Against the British, first France, and then Germany tried to wrest the reigns of global domination, and into that fire they threw their children by the thousands. Waterloo might be remembered as a glorious scene of cavalry charges and rows of soldiers, but at the time it was gaping wounds, maimed horses, and deafening noise. This climaxed in World War II when Nazism took colonial, racist, industrial logic to it’s obvious conclusion and embraced all the empire’s swagger and brutality and inflicted onto Europeans what Europeans had inflicted onto the world. Who needs India or North America when you have Russia next door? Why can’t Berlin just as easily pluck Khorinoor from London as they did from Lahore? Why bother importing Africans or setting up elaborate tariff schemes when you can just work other Europeans to death?

@ihavenojawandimustscream4681

Жыл бұрын

After all,the Fascist rhetorics about slavs and jews really were just the old colonial rhetorics of dominance and supremacy carried to its full conclusion. WW2 is Europe's ultimate atonement for colonialism

Without British rule the Indian subcontinent would have probably fallen into chaos like the Ottoman Empire did, and fallen under the influence of surrounding communist regimes. Of course the Colonial rule was horrible, but it's ridiculous to suggest India would have industrialized faster, if anything India would have industrialized faster had colonialism lasted longer. The difference between colonies like the US which industrialized and ones like Brazil which didn't is all in the empires that held them, and the British were with no doubt the best option you could hope for. Europe had 5 centuries of immense technological and ideological superiority compared to the rest of the world and only now parity is starting to return, something that has also been pushed for by those nations that held power. Artifacts are really irrelevant when you consider how much more value the entire world has gotten thanks to colonialism.

@laqrwd

Жыл бұрын

your suggestion could be true but his can be japan managed industrialisations and a industrialised india won't have major powers near them like the ottomans who had persians and russians and the holy roman empire while india had only afghan invasions to contend with

@milansemberac9995

Жыл бұрын

False, the Sikh Empire was the among the most prospering states at that time.

@jenostheascended7818

Жыл бұрын

@@milansemberac9995 So was the Ottoman empire but they completely failed at adapting past the industrial revolution. We have no indication that the Sikh Empire would have done any better, if anything their further distance from Europe suggests it would have been even harder for them. Japan is a unique case in which right after opening up to trade they started sending envoys to Europe and hired experts from Europe to copy every aspect of their industrial process and military. We simply can't assume any other state would have been as effective as they were in this effort.

@milansemberac9995

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@@jenostheascended7818 Not true, the Sikh Empire actually hired many foreign experts, commanders, and advisors in their military which was crucial in their modernization, one of the most famous examples being Alexander Gardner. The main reason for their collapse was mainly due to the government being hijacked by the hindu dogras, who assassinated almost all of Ranjit Singh’s sons and left the throne to his last 15 year old son, as well as treacherous commanders who with the dogras intentionally instigated conflict with the British due to their fear of the Khalsa Army becoming too powerful and potentially taking power. Not only that but they purposely made rather idiotic moves during many battles in which the British could’ve been defeated easily. The whole story is complex in itself but I do agree with you regarding how the Sikh Empire could’ve likely turned out. Their great emperor died rather young due to his excessive hedonist habits and their greatest commander was killed in battle due to most of the army being foolishly deployed in the capital for the emperor’s son’s wedding. Apologies for the late reply btw

Wonderful explanations brother.

Excellent argument. 👍

Well said!

@hectorlunaluna38

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Nice seeing you here!

@AncientAmericas

Жыл бұрын

@@hectorlunaluna38 Nice seeing you here too!

I so greatly value both, your thorough research into documented Historical fact, dear Sawish Bhai (please pardon the phonetic spelling) and your well formulated presentations. Due to the constraints of required brevity, only a child’s handful of the crimes of british colonialism could be highlighted in this well presented video. As a fellow Desi, I am grateful for your steel-girded valour and your justifiable convictions. Your valuable videos redress the Eurocentric colonial distortions of Non-European histories. I am taking the liberty of suggesting two outstanding books that help further liberating wisdom: 1. Manan Ahmed Asif, “The Loss of Hindustan, The Invention of India” 2. Shashi Tharoor, “Inglorious Empire: What the british did to India” (in the West), “An Era of Darkness” (in the East)

@darklight8338

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Inglorious empire is a good read its crazy that all people of the subcontinent don't know the extent of what came with British rule and how much it set India back. People think India is now in a better place because of colonisation when it couldn't be futher from the truth.

@felixalmeida481

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@@darklight8338 And that’s precisely what Colonial DISINFORMATION / PROPAGANDA is all about. Decolonization is a lifelong process; decolonization of the mind is one’s starting point. What a fulfilling exercise it is!

@marksnow7569

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@@darklight8338 _Inglorious Empire_ is a good read, but not always good history- Tharoor let his politics influence his writing

@darklight8338

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@@marksnow7569 Yes that's true it was very much emotionally lead but the details of the devastation are all basically facts so it depends on how you read the book

Very well said and nicely presented. Good job!! A diamond isn't going to solve anything. But it will bring more infighting.

This video is quite interesting. It almost inverts the trophy into a mark of shame, which is kinda poetic (and imo gives the item more irl lore than just "we took pretty rock from x place") My personal stance incase I get any flak is that I don't really care too much about it (since whatever happens to it is not something I have control over).

My issue is figuring out where to stop with the reparations. The UK undoubtedly plundered India, but even within the UK there was theft. The English exploited the Welsh and Irish and were themselves exploited by the Normans and Danes. Very rarely was consent or fair treatment considered in history and empires usually don't exist for the benefit of their subjects.

@VedJoshi..

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Yeah the thing is the UK hasn't given a dime in reparations since 1948. Between 1947-1948, they left some military infrastructure (which anyways was largely engineered by Indians) and that's it. The UK has given 0$ in reparations to India while the UK has still been paying off debt to United States for World War 2 i.e. the Anglo-American Loan of 1946.

@emma9348

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There are 27,000 scam calls every hour in india today. There are a number of uk charities supporting indias homeless children. Just saying

@manthanpatel6295

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@@VedJoshi.. now India growing because of our people hardship... Not from colonial empire...

@robzsarmy5471

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@@VedJoshi.. What about the 40 million foreign aid to India

Several people have already pointed out that Camilla won't be called Queen-Mother as she is not the mother of William. But she will actually wear the Queen Mother's Crown during Charles coronation, presumably with the Kohinoor.

I like it. Short, to the point and very blunt.

Wonderful work @almuqaddimah . Well researched and yet poignant views. Given the bias that has come up amongst people with all the borders drawn over the subcontinent. I appreciate how well you have brought up facts and even your opinions in your various videos (especially this one). Regardless of the nationality now, everyone from the subcontinent would agree upon that. Regards from India for the good work!..looking forward to more videos. I guess your video over the sikhs equation with Mughals is still pending so waiting for the same😅❤

@hareshlachminarain9451

Жыл бұрын

The diamond 💎 does not belong to the British and it should be returned.

I mean if conquer a place, the spoils of war are yours. It’s not stealing. I don’t get this whole drama about getting the kohinoor back

@alexanderkarvos6728

Жыл бұрын

indians 🥛

@Full2635

Жыл бұрын

@James Furey when did I say I don’t

@maxdavis7722

Жыл бұрын

@James Furey he didn’t say that conquering is okay today, this was a long time ago, regardless these are two different wars.

great video, I didn't agree with the title at first. I mean, stolen things should be returned, but your videos are brilliant as always. Diamonds are useless, there is so much to pay for

Such a very nice argument...

Got here through 'Lets talk Religion'. You guys sure are some of the better content on the tube.

My boy cat is named for Kohinoor, he's about as rough as the diamond

Great take, I’m Indian and I agree

@magma9000

Жыл бұрын

Love from PAKISTAN

@manh9105

Жыл бұрын

No real Indian will agree to this trashy piece. Yes loads of Muslims whose hearts lie in pakistan but who stay in India will agree

@Kebasr71

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@@manh9105 so you want a minor concessions in the form of diamonds for years of colonialism? You realize taking o e concessions excuses them from anymore as they feel they’ve done enough? Be a realist you idiot, denying the return of the kohinoor opens the way for better concessions

It should be split into equal pieces and given to each claimant or just given back to a museum in the area in which it was first found.

Damn this is soo so deep I reacted too quickly you are a wise person

The British gave the Indians far more valuable items than this diamond. How about the railways? The abolition of suttee? Democracy and the rule of law? And who demanded the partition of India? It certainly wasn't the British. 😁

As an Indian, I wholeheartedly agree with your points, instead of wasting our time trying to get a useless rock, I believe we must focus on keeping the Indian subcontinent peaceful and prosperous.

@hareshlachminarain9451

Жыл бұрын

You’re ignorant asf

Amazing!

you have a really good voice.

India claiming back kohinoor is justified. But why the hell is Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran claiming it lol. Kohinoor was made in kollur mine in andhra Pradesh. There was no Pakistan before 1947, and Afghanistan was under sikh empire just because kohinoor was shifted to Afghanistan doesn't mean its theirs , and about iran nader shah stole the diamond and he died brutally. After all kohinoor rightfully belongs to only India

@thetruthseeker5448

Жыл бұрын

Hmm, very short history lesson. Afghanistan or the region what now call Afghanistan existed millennia and millennia before Sikhs came into history. Sikhism ORIGINATED in the 1600s, and the conquered empire began in 1799. I do not want to spend more of my time on the rest of the 'claim', it will be a waste of my time. Thank you and have a nice day

@mrcool2107

Жыл бұрын

@@thetruthseeker5448 no I was just saying the Sikhs ruled over Afghanistan

@narendramodi9373

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@@thetruthseeker5448 Good comment!

What a brilliant meditation on the obsession with the Kohinoor. We have the technology now to create diamonds artificially. I personally do not understand the obsession with diamonds either.

@rutvikrs

Жыл бұрын

History? There is no value in paper or rocks, but old notes and idols/sculptures have value for how long something has survived.

Well said 💯

The place of the kohinoor is in a museum whether or not it is returned to Indians in Pakistan or Iranian

I think a better idea would be to work out the economic value of the diamond (probably $300,000,000) and for the British Royal Family to donate that amount split between all the countries with a genuine claim on the diamond (India, Pakistan etc) for those countries to spend on projects that benefit their population.

@uze1196

Жыл бұрын

I've read through quite a few comments and this is my favourite idea. Brilliant

@125discipline2

Жыл бұрын

it will only become source of conflict, india and pakistan will once again wasting more time to claim the prize of that fvking rock

@cgt3704

Жыл бұрын

Well "spending" is s generous term. I doubt their governments would want to use these money for himaitarian aid.

@christopherflux6254

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@@cgt3704 Ok. So maybe the Royal Family could donate the money directly to charities working in those countries. Something like that.

@cgt3704

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@@christopherflux6254 cmon. Charities is an easy way for people to steal money from naive people. I mean Save the Kids showed how foolish the world can be

I agree with most of the points in this debate, except for the one where you said the Indian subcontinent would rapidly industrialise. Places like the Qing dynasty were buying industrial goods from Europeans for decades, and still only industrialised fully in the 20th century. What is to say the subcontinent would differ from this?

@venturebros2000

Жыл бұрын

it wouldnt probably he just believes it because it makes him feel good and thats all the reasons he needs

@random_shit_online6104

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Qing dynasty wasn't as dynamic as the competing kingdoms of the Indian subcontinent

@PeruvianPotato

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It was generally due to the Qing officials being pretty corrupt and a modernization attempt during the 1890s was shut down by the Empress Dowager Cixi herself

@edwardbrown3721

Жыл бұрын

China believed itself to be superior and thus rejected western ideas, some Indian governments might have held this belief but they'd have been crushed by the ones that didn't

@maxdavis7722

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Funnily enough india was more developed in some ways than china was at the time of independence.

Damn bro!!!!, Awesome!

Assalamu'alaikum, Can you please made a video about khalid ibn walid? He always over powered in battle, some scholars even said that he never taste defeat in his whole life. But in the other hand, very few talks about his war, or his strategy. Thank you

British Archeologist rediscovered so much of the subcontinents ancient history, legacy, and artefacts. You didn't bother to preserve them yourselves. As far as I'm concerned, the British have a right to these artefacts more than you do.

Well of course the subcontinet would never have had theft, massacres and famines without the British...LOL

@thetruthseeker5448

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, yes so true. Yup they cant still get over the "victim syndrome". Oh course there are no medicine for that. Even the Brits are blamed for their c* s te system, how hilarious is that

@andrewlindsay4773

Жыл бұрын

The best part is when they blame all the problems on the Brits leaving. Well which is it? Was the problem them being there or that they left ?

@thetruthseeker5448

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@@andrewlindsay4773 I do not think none of them have any courage to answer that question. Blaming others for their own evil is a big business in the subcontinent, even after more than 75 years of giving up the colonies to the natives, financially funding as GRANTS to feed and educate masses there. It is in other words "be gg ar's syndrome"

@liquidsnake6879

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Hilarious how the Mughals get a complete pass for doing all that same shit (albeit with double the murder and barbarism) for 4 times as long

@speedwagon1824

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@@thetruthseeker5448 people have clearly answered these questions before

3:53 Just to be specific the treaty he was talking about was the treaty of Lahore

One crucial thing you mentioned was how foreign ideals were pressed onto us. Many of those ideas were good ones like democracy and women’s rights but its not just us many former colonies all over the World has no appreciation for it because unlike the people of America or Europe we didn’t fight for democracy. We fought for independence and therefore people careless about things like democracy and care more for independence. This is something US failed to understand in 21st century too where we imposed democracy on countries where definitely some appreciated but majority didn’t care for it. Superpowers should let dictators, warlords and Kings rule those nations until naturally those people one day fight for democracy themselves. That way they will protect democracy with their dear life from then on.

Queen Elizabeth thanks the Indian people for the gift of the British Kohinoor diamond.

The British are welcome to keep it as there's a curse attached to it. No dynasty of kingdom has managed to retain it without attracting it's own destruction. It's as true of the Kakatiyas under whose realm it was first discovered & who were it's original owners right down to the penultimate owners of it - the Khalsa Durbar. Of course, in the light of the above information I'm sure Indians wouldn't object to it if Pakistan acquired it.

@daddy_1453

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Curses, especially the type you mention, aren't real. Every Dynasty eventually ends... no need to attribute that to a curse. The only "curse" that maybe real is one where someone prays to God for someone else's destruction.

@christopherflux6254

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Well Liz Truss has just become UK Prime Minister, so maybe that’s a result of the curse!

@ic5442

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@@daddy_1453 which is why I didn't stop just at dynasty but kingdom / country @curse It starts with the Kakatiyas followed by the Qutb Shahis then the Mughals, the Afsharids, the Durranis, the Khalsa Darbar & then finally Victoria & the UK. Neither those dynasties nor their kingdoms nor in some cases those countries exist . Diamonds do carry a curse. It's not that anyone can wear a diamond. Check out for the Hope Diamond & the curse associated with it.

@jhonshephard921

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@@ic5442 I don't think diamonds carry a curse, rather the blood spilled in the name of wealth and pure adulterated greed that they represent carry the curse. Its the same with oil today. There is a name for this curse, its called dragon sickness, the term comes from Lord of the Rings series.

@Holybatman3603

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@@help123research4 I certainly wouldn't, England has been of great help to North African muslims.

Thank you for this video- I liked hearing your perspective and how you used historical context and evidence to back up your claim

Very interesting

As a Brit, I wholly agree we should not return it.

7:59 Those folios could teach us more about history than Kohinoor.

Al muqaddimah,please do a video on sultan murad iii and his patronising of science.there were many scholars(for e.g. Taqi al din ibn maruf,Ibn hamza al maghribi etc.)during his reign.

You're from Pakistan!? I thought you were Arab. 😅 That's nice. I've been following your channel for a while and I really love the content.

What's the big difference between the Moguls invasions, the Iranians, British or any of all the other wars and invasions that sweep over India over the millenia? Was the British invasion so special somehow? Other than being I guess one of the most recent. (Asked by and as someone who wasn't involved on either side of any of that)

@AlMuqaddimahYT

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In terms of the Mughals, they came to India, they conquered it and then ruled it from India. They gave it a lot of things and were an actual Indian empire that made policies that helped their people. Iranian invasion (like that of Nader Shah) was closer to the British where they came and looted and then left. The British extracted India's wealth and took it back home. That's the difference. Also, it being recent is indeed a factor and India still suffering from the impact of their colonization is one as well.

@Incognomen

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@@AlMuqaddimahYT Yet the miseries are the miseries that were caused by the Mughal and British empires. In both the regimes Indians had to lose their lives and cultural values.

@peterzimmerman1114

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@@AlMuqaddimahYT It's been quite a while since the British left, I find it hard to believe it's reasonable to blame them for what might still be bad, it does however suggest the people afterwards didn't deal with issues. Several countries in the world had half their population in their productive primes cut down and put in massgraves during WW2 and their cities turned to rubble, their farmland minefields and massgraves and bombcraters. Infrastructure and production capabilities annihilated, but most still recovered decently and some became the some of the richest countries of the world in the time since the 40's. India also got democracy and journalistic traditions from the British even if they didn't encourage it during their imperial rule, I would still say it was a valuable contribution to India's future. It's also lead to some modernization even if India is quite cautious of changes and developing. On the otherhand there are those that do far worse I would think. India has managed to find some level of stability in a somewhat chaotic region. While I'm far from and expert what little I've gather I'm somewhat concerend with Indias watersupply and degradation of agricutrure and the increasing polution levels. I guess it's only natural polution levels would increase with a quickly expanding population.. It might cause problems in the future though. And everyone everywhere has their own problems small or big, it's part of life, you just have to deal with it... That or the alternative that's to ignore it and .. yeah, some people tries that aswell. Anyway, good luck India.

Great video. Honestly depicting what the British did. From Éire 🇮🇪🇵🇰

@shaneryan7622

Жыл бұрын

@MsMissy cry genuine blood

Will you make video about Nader Shah?

I also agree that all the historic artifacts should be returned to their respective nations based on where the item in question originated. Perhaps some of the more important items could go on a world tour at some point so that people unable to travel may also view these items. But ultimately their home should be where they came from. I live in Florida and have artifacts that came from Massachusetts. I have in my will that they will got to certain museums in Massachusetts. I think an item should be kept where it originated from but nothing wrong with it visiting other places once in a while too.

How is what England did different than the centuries of other non-English invaders and conquerors, some of whom were mentioned in the video?

@AlMuqaddimahYT

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There is a difference between conquest and colonization. When the Mughals came from outside India, they embraced it. They taxed people but that money remained in their territory, it helped the economy. The British took Indian resources to England. They were primarily concerned with short-term gains as they knew all of it was temporary. This put significant strain on India's future.

@kappa9789

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England plundered India , others like Mughuls assimilated with India that's why we eat Biryani and not much bread butter .

@jared_hall

Жыл бұрын

​@@AlMuqaddimahYT this is completely untrue . The studies clearly show that the vast majority taxable income even by the EIC was reinvested in infrastructure and the miltary which all states do. which The drain theory has been discredited by numerous historians such as T Roy and Dewey and is in fact a Marxist theory by Dutt with very little foundation. The whole lost time agruement is completely counterfactual as well as it supposes that somehow India would have industrialised , this is logically unsound as the only countries that industrialised in the 19th century were those culturally simular to Britian and had capital from Britain. Neither of which india would have had. The only other nation that was able to was Japan which only managed it after as it compeltely embraced westernisation ,had brutal civil war and the near totally empowered centralised and authoritarian goverment pushed through industrialisation. The only semicomparble civilisation to India in the 19th century was China which was also exposed to western industry by trade and then fell into war with the western powers, followed by civil war, famines , a warlord period and the communist rule. Only industialising in the 1970s. And this was a county centralised and far more homogneous. India doesn't even have these advantages. India in GDP in fact quadrupled over the the colonial span in India and retained itself at 11% of world gdp until WW1 where it was reduced alongside Britain as Russia , Japan and the US industrialised completely. Also there was no short term view of India, this is objectively false . The British empire never viewed itself as temporary and right up into the 30s the most pushed for by even Gandhi was reform and dominion status not independence.

@accountreality1988

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becuse they are white and look different, so it is easy to create hate narratives of stuff they never did. don't mind mass migrating to thier country though.

Impressive argument. And I totally agree about the "stolen time" argument. But now I wanna know, do you think the Indian subcontinent would have stayed together had the British never colonised it or it would have been divided into even more countries? I'm imagining an alternate history scenario here.

@AlMuqaddimahYT

Жыл бұрын

There's no such thing as "united India". Keep in mind that India is a sub-continent and is rather like a continent itself, not unlike Europe. Without the British, all these different states would exist, most likely independently. They wouldn't be divided on the basis of religion like they are now.

@anneeq008

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@@AlMuqaddimahYT they would absolutely be divided by religion. It's utopian secular ignorance to think otherwise

@jetpigeon8758

Жыл бұрын

@@Deepak_Dhakad Like so many countries India and Pakistan would be living in a 1910 existence if the British had not provided law and order and the justice system. and don't forget the transport network.

@ajaynandha1252

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​@@jetpigeon8758 ​ Pre British India wasn't a primitive place of cave men hunter and gatherers 😂 Watch this piece again. It indicates the sub continent was highly civilised and quite rich (some parts classed as being the richest in world at the time if you care to read more of the history). It had law and order, just not the British one. And it's also mentioned the sub continent being rich and well connected enough suggesting it could have imported tech and knowledge to be able to build it's own transport networks eventually. Had they been allowed to that is. It's all in the past now. I guess, as no monarch or gov will apologise - and the current ones are not accountable for their ancestors. However what would be good is some acknowledgement of what really happened and how instead of painting a lovely pic of how the British Empire civilised and developed such countries.

@miguelpadeiro762

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@@anneeq008 Oh they would, but what I think Al Muqaddimah meant is that it wouldn't be a continental division of "this country is the Muslim's, this is the Hindu's, the Sikhs can go play with that rock" The continent would be divided in many countries, some Hindu, some Sikh, some Muslim, etc, but its division wouldn't be solely on a religious basis like the partition of India was.

I think many clicked here to see the comment section Nice video and a clean comment section as far as i see

i thought there would be a twist. he stood what he said in the title/thumbnail

best option is give it to India and then display it for 4 months a year in Amritsar temple, 4 months in Delhi Red Fort or Jama Masjid and 4 months in Bhadrakali Temple in South India where it was originally mined and placed.

@niccolopaganini1782

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough but doesn't sound that feasible

5:10 that’s just wrong. They wouldn’t have done any importation of ideas nor industrialise. India barely industrialised now. That caste system prevents it.

@accountreality1988

Жыл бұрын

noooooooooooooooo india was thouands of years in future we had flying cars all the trains we wanted it came from the vedas IT CAME FROM THE VEDAS!!!!!

@speedwagon1824

Жыл бұрын

How would india not have any importation of ideas?

@purpledevilr7463

Жыл бұрын

@@speedwagon1824 the same way 90% of other societies did not import any ideas. The only ones that did (with western ideas), were the ones who were surrounded European imperialism, in order to get to a level where they can avoid being colonised.

Wow...as usual devoting a lot of time and energy towards India....truly amazed and not surprised....just to be clear I hope you get the sarcasm...

Seriously good argument..

I have to disagree here. Every country looted and conquered others, you even mention this yourself with the Afghans. To single out the british as the villains is unfair

@accountreality1988

Жыл бұрын

but they are white and invented too much on thier own without no help! we have to hate them and force a false historical loot narrative in there to try and plunder the country today.

@micahistory

Жыл бұрын

@@accountreality1988 yup lol

You can claim it, but you will never get it back. Rule Britannia!

@Holybatman3603

Жыл бұрын

The Koh-i-Noor is just a piece of rock, it has no tangible value like he said. Just keep it.

Hi, I’m curious who the “Us” you keep referring to in the video is?

@AlMuqaddimahYT

Жыл бұрын

The folk of the Indian Subcontinent.

@GaryJones69420

Жыл бұрын

@@AlMuqaddimahYT saying the British stole the Kohinoor from "us" is just as fucking stupid as saying you're 200 years old

Great perspectives. A diamond is really just a rock...we just give value to it.