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@thewildcat7972

2 жыл бұрын

Dude u should be ashamed of ur self,, in Islam in Quran it self it said it is not allowed

@thewildcat7972

2 жыл бұрын

@@beepboop204 anyone who do it they aren't muslims anymore, simple as that

@thewildcat7972

2 жыл бұрын

@@beepboop204 speak off censorship and canceling culture 🙃 what happened for the Christians people who don't agree with ur political party agenda? Aren't they being censored and being outcasts in their own lands for following their own religion?

@beepboop204

2 жыл бұрын

@@thewildcat7972 not where i live, no. many religions prohibit murder as well, but murder happens all over the world. i think its ok to talk about things, when they exist, even if they are prohibited by religions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@thewildcat7972

2 жыл бұрын

@@beepboop204 where I live allot of my neighbors wasterns Christians and Jews who don't agree about what ur corrupt political party with it's big corporations do to their religion's

Dumb mfs in the comments still don’t get it lol, he’s talking about HISTORY, not THEOLOGY. He’s talking about the historical role of homosexuality in the Muslim community, not whether it’s right or wrong. You have two ears and two eyes, use them.

@Xanna-eo5wq

3 ай бұрын

bold of you to assume i have two eyes and two ears

@-ITH

3 ай бұрын

Can't imagine how many Surahs and anti-western fanatics are in the comment section.@@Xanna-eo5wq

@raydaveed

3 ай бұрын

It is right anyway 😂. They can cry about it.

@-ITH

3 ай бұрын

Ohhhh this channel deletes comments, I SEE. You have 200 anti west comments a a bunch of people quoting surahs like it's speakers corner in London but do you

@jalalkphilosophy

3 ай бұрын

Orthodox Muslim here. Yes I agree but saying that it was not abnormal or considered evil by the majority is false

We existed, we exist, and we will exist. No political or religious ideology can change us.

@Gee-xb7rt

3 ай бұрын

The views now aren't what most people think they are, western media is very good at vilify everyone else to make the west look superior. Queen Raia of Jordan is a gay icon. There are gay bars in every Islamic country. The widely held law is you don't display anything forbidden in the streets, its basically the same as Orthodox Christianity and why Russia is opposed to pride parades. These laws apply to everyone, you don't run around drunk, engaging in pda, displaying pagan symbols. What you do in your own home is your business.

@ethanwisdom1282

3 ай бұрын

!!!!! through any and all times, and in any and all lands

@heilhaider88

3 ай бұрын

majority of muslim guys first experience in the muslim world is with another guy. I dont know what the fuck do muslims want? just be deprived of all enjoyment of life and be a martyr? is this what islam has become? to live in fallacy? And I am a Muslim too. I hate this bs victim mentality, especially amongst arabs, which is now spreading like wildfire to south asia and else where.

@kamaalk230

3 ай бұрын

And what have you produced

@kevc7433

3 ай бұрын

@@kamaalk230population control

"He spoke out against sodomy, so we can assume he wasn't having sex with men" Haaaa there's a few dozen pastors I'd like to introduce you to

@AntonioPeralesdelHierro

3 ай бұрын

This alleged "Speaking out against sodomy" or against anything else gay is an old Closet Case ploy. It means diddley. It's like picking a pocket while crying "Look over there!"

@Iamhere829

2 ай бұрын

😂❤

@respectthefish4992

2 ай бұрын

oh fr, if someone hates too ardently it is always suspicious to me cuz at some point it gotta be the self hate speaking

@ambiasalam9915

Ай бұрын

And some English kings.. who were homosexual but made it illegal

@AmazingRebel23

Ай бұрын

@@ambiasalam9915Sounds like an easy way to gatekeep the attractive men 👀 “its illegal for ANYBODY BUT ME TO BE GAY!”

I'm just here to write that I'm pleasantly surprised that a video with both "homosexuality" and "Islam" in the title got a sponsorship deal

@Homoshambala

Ай бұрын

This is not a theological channel. This is not a religious channel. This is looking at history.

@rocksaltzwidaz3411

3 күн бұрын

​@@Homoshambalait's still impressive an advertiser saw that and said yes

Some commenters still don't get it. He had mentioned it already, this is not a theology channel. If you are not that open-minded enough to learn about this kind of topic. Don't watch. Easy.

@melonlord5026

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is there are people that is not open-minded but think that they're open minded lol.

@Muslim-og3vc

2 жыл бұрын

So accepting being railed in the ass is considered open minded?

@fuzailhasan7856

2 жыл бұрын

It's all about a person claiming to be Muslim and delivering certain stuff if that stuff goes against the fold of Islam than they are not a Muslim and they can't use that word as their identity anymore

@truebeliever786

2 жыл бұрын

@@fuzailhasan7856 He's just relaying the history of that period, he's not saying he accepts it or condones it himself jeez. You're too judgmental.

@goldnile718

2 жыл бұрын

@@fuzailhasan7856 you can actually say stuff that goes against the ‘fold of islam’ and still be muslim. Only very intolerant sects of muslims say what you’re saying.

"Men who fell in love with other men and died of heartbreak." ... Mood.

@AS-jk7rh

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i can relate once i have crush on a guy and we make out and then he just disappeared never comes back. So then i decided to marry girl. But i prefer both maybe threesome marriage two men and women 😅😂

@justicethedoggo3648

Жыл бұрын

💀

@justicethedoggo3648

11 ай бұрын

@Urueh men are the source of love , real men not estrogenified abrahimic men. So I'll gladly fall in love with one.

@the_kimchi_kommandant2603

11 ай бұрын

@@justicethedoggo3648 Pagan homosexual??? wtffffff

@sweetiepeach69

11 ай бұрын

I saw the cutest blonde guy this month, he waved his hair, turned his head back to stare at my face with his puppy eyes, making me frozen in love: I was busy, couldn't chase,, we locked eyes for 10 seconds and then he slowly walked into the horizon... I lost my boy, I lost my lover, I felt he was my soulmate and now the only thing I got about him is a memory. I'm never missing another boy again, ever. 🥲

Man, the way you were able to present a topic that is often considered extremely sensitive in the most neutral yet respectful way possible (as a queer person myself, I'm really grateful that you took the time to point out that pederasty and homosexuality are two completely different things - sometimes it feels like many today see it as the same thing) is honestly so refreshing. And the fact that your comment section is so respectful is a huge testament to your impartiality. I really appreciate it. Thank you.

@Alpha-Andromeda

3 ай бұрын

I truly liked your comment. You said “as a queer person”. What does that mean? I know what it’s meant to mean. But my question is, if you can explain it with as much sensitivity as you expressed your thoughts in the comment, could you explain to me what queer means. Does it mean seeing the world in a different way? Is it always related to sexual proclivity. Because most people will say I’m a man or a woman. I am French I am Italian. I truly have no sense of what it would mean to say “I am queer”, other than saying, “I am sexual for things that make me curious in ways that are exciting and not acceptable and I derive an important part of my identity from the result of that in my world” Would you add that or change it? Thank you.

@AoAnli

3 ай бұрын

@@Alpha-Andromeda Well. Being part of a marginalised community will always make you see the world differently. I used "queer" in my comment bc it's an umbrella term for everyone in the LGBTQ+ community and therefore won't give away which letter I am exactly. It's a way to protect myself against those who wish harm on people like me - they can't specifically target me if they don't know what I am. This isn't how every queer person thinks, everyone sort of has their own definition of what the word means for them. But no, it isn't always sexual. Most of the time it isn't. The problem is, our community is often reduced to sexuality by those outside of it. Homophobes will be the first to say that the first thing they think of when seeing a gay couple is how disgusting it is that they have sex instead of, you know. Seeing them as just a normal couple. When we say we're queer, we aren't saying we're a sexuality. We're saying that it's a part of who we are and that we won't let anyone shame us away from it. Queer can also refer to gender, bc some people don't identify as either man or woman, and they use queer and non-binary pretty much interchangeably. In my case, though, I mentioned being queer in my comment bc it was directly related to the video's topic. It's the same as someone saying "as a [insert race here] person" under a video talking about racial issues. I wanted to thank OP and the comment section for being so respectful when usually, bringing LGBTQ+ topics in a religious setting creates a breeding ground for hate. And it goes back to the first thing I mentioned - my queerness essentially forces me to see the world differently. I put myself in constant danger just being out about it, so I always navigate unfamiliar settings with extreme caution. Straight people have the luxury of separating their sexuality from their identity bc being straight is considered "the norm" or "default state". It's never really put into question. And you're never in danger of violence just for being straight (you might be for other reasons, but being straight isn't one of them), so it's easy to brush it off. I can't do that. Idk if that makes sense ? English isn't my first language, so I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across clearly enough. But if you have more questions or want me to clarify other things, feel free to ask. I don't mind answering questions when they come from a place of genuinely wanting to understand, so you don't have to worry about offending me.

@bjmathew509

2 ай бұрын

​@@Alpha-Andromeda You talk like a priveleged straight man who's never experience the lack of validation from society.

@Iamhere829

2 ай бұрын

​@@AoAnliMore power to you Friend 💖

@syedmahdi3254

2 ай бұрын

​@@AoAnli wonderfully put. 👍🏼

It's interesting how homosexuality has become a lot more accepted in Europe, North America and even parts of South America, but it's gone the other way around completely in the Islamic world. Although same sex marriage was never legal and it was never accepted like it is now in my country of the UK, homosexuality seems to have been at least tolerated. Thank you for making this very interesting video, it was neutral too, which is important when looking at history. Whether you think it's a sin or you're very pro-LGBTQ+, history MUST be looked at neutrally.

@ems4884

4 ай бұрын

It has everything to do with civilizational collapse in the Arab and Iranian world combined with a very negative reaction to European colonialism. The religious fanaticism that has become part of modern Islam is a kind of Anti-Western, anti-colobislism. It's just not a very intellectual variety of those modern political trends.

@Jay_Johnson

3 ай бұрын

Doesn't exactly help that we conquered the world in our judgemental prudish eugenicist medicalisation phase as a nation and codified oppression of minorities wherever we went. What is happening to LGBTQ people in Uganda right now is the fault of the Ugandan Anglican church, Colonisation and legal and moral frameworks inherited from British occupation.

@ems4884

3 ай бұрын

Same sex marriage is not the only measure of more tolerant attitudes towards homosexuality / bisexuality. It's just the modern measure in the liberal democracies of the world. Maybe the "gold standard.".

@grambi

3 ай бұрын

The Enlightenment contributed to this in Europe and Northern America

@90skid97

3 ай бұрын

They definitly seem to have degernerated compared to the rest of the world. Which is quite wild, I wonder when they will have their own reformations or it will just happen gradually throughout time. I fear we will all be dead though if it doesn't happen sooner than later

History is based on whatever happened in the past, good or bad is irrelevant. We cannot simply ignore the facts and sugarcoat our history

@user-op8fg3ny3j

2 жыл бұрын

@@ziyanamjad6664 I think you meant homosexual?

@mohamedzayan9129

2 жыл бұрын

Homosexuality ei kess lhaaeh

@mohamedzayan9129

2 жыл бұрын

Fareed didi rihafolhi. Theemuge therey firihenkulhi kulhuny dhanvaru.

@mohamedzayan9129

2 жыл бұрын

Shamsuddin ge firihenkulhi dhari Izzudin ge ves rihafolhi.

@mohamedzayan9129

2 жыл бұрын

Balaaekey. Mohamed Thakurufaanah musthaqbalu fenunu nama elhaa mareh nuvaane mi rundinnah takaeh.

Love the clear headed impartiality. You rarely get this when people talk of religion.

@jasoncorley5703

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY 💯

@bewareofpigeons

Жыл бұрын

Or sex, for that matter.

@z123_qqq

Жыл бұрын

you can love it all you want fa99 it is still not true

@jtgd

Жыл бұрын

@@z123_qqq so it’s bad to be gay, but ok for Muhammad to marry children? So you’re pro pedophilia?

@z123_qqq

Жыл бұрын

@@jtgd its not bad its punishable by death

Homosexuality was, is and will be. People are always trying to bury one’s head in the sand. It happens anywhere even in the most religious places. Sexuality is part of life

@devbachu7072

2 ай бұрын

Love is love is k it's ok what's the problem let the people live their lives

@nusratbhat825

2 ай бұрын

Then beready for hiv types of deseases

@emanueledes7

2 ай бұрын

Patriarchal societies have a problem with most of human sexuality, because they have always needed to repress and control it. To repress female sexuality, and repress homo- and bisexuality. BUT some societies bring this to the point of barbarism and persecution, other ones develop tolerance in various degrees. I like medieval islamic societies much better than contemporary ones!

@davidmuller1958

2 ай бұрын

Wrong, Humans have a tendency to be degenerate. This includes the wild spectrum that leads to this. So, it is a part of life, but its not a correct path. Its a path, like a murderer is a murderer and a grapist is a grapist. Theyre both wrong, but they are a part of life, an effect of a failing society.

@kwils6685

2 ай бұрын

@@nusratbhat825 You do know that anyone can get HIV, right? HIV is not caused by gay sex.

As my islamic gran said, homosexuals have been here since the creation of man by Allah, and they'll be with us at the very end, be it extinction, or rapture.

@prince_of_summer

2 ай бұрын

Your granny is smart❤

@easyonlineseller

Ай бұрын

same with other sinners. whats your point? and Prophet did predict that sexual sins would become more common in the future, doesnt mean its good

@FideszLover15

Ай бұрын

@@easyonlineseller its extremely easy to predict such vague things

@gimmekromer1151

Ай бұрын

@@easyonlineseller your prophet is literally a pedo

@croma4158

Ай бұрын

Evolutionary wise probably incorrect. There are places where it isn't present and you could guess what kind of places those are.

Thank you for specifically excluding the pederasty. Some people romanticize ancient Greece for a supposed tolerance of homosexuality, but it was much more the open secret and the pederasty was not only common but institutional, especially in Sparta. If you want to pick the best time to be gay in that would probably be today in Europe or the Americas. Recorded history has several isolated pockets where you could be Queer in public but it's really only now that it's being accepted most places. (Edit: If you have something to say make it constructive or helpful else leave me alone.)

@stadiamak692

2 жыл бұрын

Homosexuality wasn't even a thing... Onlyin modern times have we categorized people by their sexual preferences

@SAOS451316

2 жыл бұрын

@@stadiamak692 People who say that never follow through and say that straight people didn't exist either. Imagine that, people having different words and concepts throughout time and space. You're also wrong; today is not the first time that there are sexuality terms which are nouns (there's even an example in this video).

@elbasado481

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes i wonder "how cute was teenage boys back then"

@SAOS451316

2 жыл бұрын

@@elbasado481 If you live in America or Europe today the women considered most attractive are curvy with large chests and behinds. If you go to the same places thirty or forty years ago the women considered most attractive are trim and athletic. In the 1950s thinness was considered undesirable. Today having a tan is attractive, but centuries ago being pale as the moon was attractive. A couple hundred years ago in Iran masculinity in women was attractive but now a more western preference is adopted. The point is that ideas of what is attractive change. In ancient Greece the culture idealized youthfulness while also being very misogynist. This allowed p*dophilia to be a bigger problem and eventually became part of the culture. Today you see young girls being sexualized more and more (look at the clothing options in stores and you'll see). It's possible that a future America could have the same problem but I don't think it's likely to get that bad because women and children have more rights now. In short: teenage boys are the same, any time any place. If you like men and don't grow out of attraction to teenage boys as you grow up you have a problem. If your society forces children to be sexual before they're ready you have a bigger problem. And obviously it's nothing to do with sexual orientation, which is why I am glad that the video didn't talk about it.

@drmuzacluva1311

2 жыл бұрын

I think you might be excluding certain examples of cultures where it was good to be homosexual both socially and spiritually. The first ones that come to mind are the various indigenous American(continent) cultures whose concepts of gender and sexuality fall under the modern English label Two-Spirit. Prior to European colonization, there were many examples of culture where sexual and gender minorities were completely accepted and celebrated. They had important roles in spiritual practices and in the functioning of their communities. Homophobia and Transphobia has been a major cultural shift for many communities as a result European( and Christian) colonialism.

Finally an Islam/Muslim channel I can actually watch that isn't just Muslim fundamentalists bloviating.

@mohammadfaruque2865

Жыл бұрын

Basically you only like things when they say exactly what you believe in. Noted.

@adonis744

Жыл бұрын

​@@mohammadfaruque2865 No, people just don't want to watch extremist/fundamentalist content.

@zenosyne

3 ай бұрын

​@@mohammadfaruque2865 or they want to learn about theological history without the biases and censorship that other Muslim content creators may make. Sin or not this is history and is FACT so maybe youre the one that can only tolerate content that you agree with

@azjeffs

3 ай бұрын

Doesn't everybody? Who out there is enjoying watching something completely antithetical to their beliefs and values? Am I supposed to tell Vladimir Putin to watch and enjoy Rupauls Drag Race? Should I be enthusiastically recommending radically conservative Baptist sermons to Elton John. Just let people enjoy what they enjoy bro 😂 ​@@mohammadfaruque2865

@user-ih8nm8lv1k

2 ай бұрын

​@@adonis744except what you call "fundmentalist" is infact the religion not some sugar-coated westernphilic bs like this dude tries to appeal to. 😂 you like watching things that appeal to your opinions and nothing more.

As a gay exmuslim, this made me giggle 😁 I love how many people are uncomfortable facing the TRUTH... anyways great video thank you so much for teaching Muslims and the world about Islamic history 💚

@xoxrvn

3 ай бұрын

Oh, and it's really nice to know that without us actually knowing the history, I used to exchange sufi poetry with my ex back when we were teenagers 😅 it was the only thing available for us that is written by men for men and in ARABIC 🏳️‍🌈

@kfan265

3 ай бұрын

Am looking for someone😅can u be

@user-sv2pk4ib8u

3 ай бұрын

May Allah guide you back to Islam and make fallow guidance Amine

@xoxrvn

3 ай бұрын

@@user-sv2pk4ib8u may nature guide you away from Islam not amen 🙏

@xoxrvn

3 ай бұрын

@@kfan265 I hope someday you'll find one 💚

my parents are heavily muslims and even they say "i don't think it's okay, but it's their life and all lives are precious." (talking about my gay friend) and i heard the same thing from all of my muslims relatives aswell! I dislike most men so it's funny whenever they ask me about a boyfriend, they're like: "are you gay? just so you know we (my uncle and his family, my cousins, my aunt, my distant relatives, etc.) we don't care about that stuff. we just want you to be happy" only misguided religions would be hateful towards living being!!

@yuwyu4841

28 күн бұрын

some muslims are wrong because they are taught by the prophet to hate the sin and not the sinner. They believe the God prohibits things for good reasons, and islam also puts familial relationships and having offspring in great regard and that indulging in sexual pleasures or any pleasures too much will corrupt the human self. Even so, hating people for what they do should be seen as wrong

@lxlx7941

6 күн бұрын

@@yuwyu4841what??? So it’s okay to also hate the sinner treat them like shit and ruin their lives for something so dumb and shouldn’t even be a big deal???!!! That makes no sense, they explain it again. Are you homophobic yes or no :)

@LiamPugh-rn7bp

6 күн бұрын

Liar

@Herobeans

6 күн бұрын

@@LiamPugh-rn7bp Why are they a liar

@RyuKyu.77

5 күн бұрын

As a closeted bisexual, I'm surprised, my Christian "liberal" mom would definitely have a problem with me, she thinks it's a mental illness ☠️

Christian here,a lot of christians were also in denial about the unusual frequency of homosexuality in monastic orders and the feudal systems(like some english kings) despite the unequivocal condemnation of homosexuality by almost all christian schools.People simply are unwilling to embrace their history especially now where religious identity and politics are merging together

@mt000mp

2 жыл бұрын

both in christian and islamic world have gay monarch/ influencial people and we couldn't deny that but the recent LBTG++ movement will say "this sultan/monarch/pope is doing the gay!! so its allowed in this religion!!" soo... now we have the same struggle for both muslim and christians facing these kind of shallow arguments.

@ThestorytellerofKatunga

Жыл бұрын

The difference is that the Christian God is against LGBT stuffs.

@SuperRoseknows

Жыл бұрын

I don't consider catholics to be real christians. Catholics also persecuted christians.

@NewZman23

Жыл бұрын

@@alpacacomentadora413 If you believe that, you, my closed-minded friend are already in hell and you don't even realise it. Oh by the way doesn't Christianity teach you not to judge others -- oops... you just did what Jesus asked you not to do. Some friend of Jesus you are!

@torpenhigalak5909

Жыл бұрын

@@alpacacomentadora413 Cool story mythelot.

Europe and the Middle East seemed to have flip flopped on their views with homosexuality. Well done. Very informative video.

@fairplay3430

Жыл бұрын

Who flipped?

@ohamatchhams

Жыл бұрын

@@fairplay3430 Exactly, Middle East rarely flipped, only the corrupt, decadent and deluded rulers of Middle Eastern states that ended up practicing homosexuality until it backfired and the next rulings and society became even more adamant to be anti-gay stuffs, especially in all three of Muslim, Christian and Jewish rulings

@ahurali5185

Жыл бұрын

@@fairplay3430 The Middle East is in its Dark Ages while Europe is in its Golden Age Lol, (Except for Russia)

@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE

Жыл бұрын

@@ahurali5185 im sorry if you misunderstood the situation. Europe and America destroyed "the middle east". It isn't in it's dark ages, it is in the middle of colonial agression and of fighting back

@secondchannel1523

Жыл бұрын

@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE The middle east is not ''in the middle of colonial aggression''. Man you people of the ''global south'' are really pathetic sometimes. Incapable of taking responsibility for your actions and analyzing your situation objectively. Your boiling hatred of the ''EVIL WHITE MAN'' and anti-Westernism is blinding you. The middle east has been destroyed since the mongols and the turks sacked its biggest cities repeatedly from the 13th to 17th century and has never recovered since. The colonial era played its role as well, but was only one out of many many factors. Next thing you're gonna blame America and Europe for the slavery of black Africans that is still going on in some middle eastern countries, it wouldn't surprise me.

ur so brave for posting this. history is still history

In today's Muslim world, even innocent music is considered haraam!

@mwfly4660

2 ай бұрын

Yes because it haram !!! Islam it’s not change!!!

@omarosama155

9 күн бұрын

Its was always haram

@ahmedsharif367

5 күн бұрын

What is considered innocent would be Haram to muslims, we don't take what is right or wrong your perspective Nothing is wrong with your perspective when it comes to you but to us its haram

@Rynewulf

4 күн бұрын

@@mwfly4660yet the Islamic world invented much of modern music such as guitars. Its like how you people say illustration was always banned, yet Islamic Iran and India led groundbreaking art movements depicting people. Just because your unquestionable great political leader today declares something, doesnt change the 1400+ year phsyical history of Islam

When I have worked in Kuwait, there I saw a lot of homosexuals, not only arabs but also some are afganistan, pakistan and indians.

@amdiak7283

Жыл бұрын

And they rape Filipino men.....

@lyubomirhristov6488

9 ай бұрын

Tell me pls

@sharronhankins7722

3 ай бұрын

Story please!🤔🤔🤔😏😏😏

@user-rp1zy4hd2q

3 ай бұрын

Allah mentions in the Qur'an the events and causes of the destruction of the Lut community, including homosexuality. Therefore, a true Muslim cannot indulge in such vile deeds.

@SonOfMorning

3 ай бұрын

​@@user-rp1zy4hd2qShouldnt have created homosexuality then? I bet you feel little Gay but Allan says you cant so you dont.

It is very important to understand that in most of the Islamic world until very recently and in some countries even right now (Afghanistan etc) friends hold hands while walking and embrace all the time. But it would be very wrong to think that they are involved with each other. The same goes to Sufis, 99% times the love between a sufi master and a disciple is just that, a spiritual union and has absolutely nothing sexual. I moved to Germany from Pakistan for education and trust me I had to stop embracing people consciously as it was awkward as hell because it is so common in Pakistani culture but it is just that a matter of showing love and respect. just like kissing cheeks in arabs and Iranians.

@historylover2

Жыл бұрын

OK, whatever.

@outoforder8791

Жыл бұрын

Oh, that's just a shame... I hate how unsociable Germany can be at times. For some reason, we reject the idea of showing our love and appreciation for others so openly. But maybe you could help change that?

@speakthetruth3768

Жыл бұрын

There's a video named why indian men hold hand

@worldview730

Жыл бұрын

Well most in Asia & Africa do this, but it has nothing to do with the two men holding hands being sex partners or lovers

@outoforder8791

Жыл бұрын

@J B I'm not sure whether you are referring to “French kissing” or "French" kissing, but I'd like to empathize that the European way of kissing friends on their cheeks is not of homosexual nature. And even if it was, that would be no reason to hate on it.

Some people in the comments try to defend this video by saying "it is what it is, we should not sugarcoat history" etc. Sugarcoat what exactly? There is no need to sugarcoat homosexuality or bisexuality etc. It is a benign occurrence both in our society and nature and does not need any justification/excuse. I am looking forward to seeing more videos about how bisexuality is actually far more widespread than we think (all studies I can find about sexual orientation are of the self-reporting kind).

@davem5308

3 ай бұрын

"benign" you say.

@Grotomode

3 ай бұрын

@@davem5308 Nah it's not what I say. Its reality.

@davem5308

3 ай бұрын

@@Grotomode Don't you think you own the responsibility of proving irrefutably, that the behavior is "benign"? Don't you think you own the responsibility of irrefutably proving your claim to the said "benign" behavior, being a "reality".

@Grotomode

3 ай бұрын

@@davem5308 Not really. In science we don't go about assuming things are not benign and then try to prove they are benign. Quite the opposite. Especially in social sciences where we know stigmatization due to prejudice is very common.

@johnnybravous

3 ай бұрын

​@@davem5308 it quite literally is benign. Nothing about homosexuality or bisexuality brings anyone any harm. All negative aspects are from outside sources; intolerance, lack of acceptance, etc. It is literally the equivalent of being born with blue eyes vs green ones

Demystification leads to normalization. And that’s a beautiful thing.

@julia2k8

Күн бұрын

It will never ever be normalized in the Islamic world, keep it in western countries

@julia2k8

Күн бұрын

Keep dreaming

@EmilyTienne

Күн бұрын

@@julia2k8 Let’s share a dream together.

@julia2k8

Күн бұрын

@@EmilyTienne this will never be normalized, not even in your dreams

@EmilyTienne

Күн бұрын

@@julia2k8 It’s been normal over most of the western world. Gays can marry, keep jobs, have their own businesses. They are featured prominently in popular music, television and the movies. They can even walk down the street holding hands. And you’re saying this isn’t an indication of normalization? Are you joking? They couldn’t do this fifty years ago. What planet are you from?

This subject is definitely not for everyone… Kuddos to you sir for highlighting this brushed under the carpet subject.

@nihilioellipsis

3 ай бұрын

Who do you think shouldn't watch it? And do you want to take action to prevent them from viewing it? Or are you referring to taste and preference.

@averayugen7802

3 ай бұрын

Not enough frank discussion about the much more terrible problem which is HOMOPHOBIA anywhere it exists.@@nihilioellipsis

You're my go to for learning about controversial topics regarding Islam from an insider's perspective. Most people tend to go hard in one direction when talking about this stuff

@rosieroti4063

Жыл бұрын

yeah.. really "hard" 😄

@AdEl-kj8uc

Жыл бұрын

This is definitely not an insider perspective.

@msruag

Жыл бұрын

@@rosieroti4063 boy shut up this aint the right area 😭😭💀💀

@shabbaranks7968

Жыл бұрын

@@AdEl-kj8uc don't be scared they're just cocks in asses

@mohammadfaruque2865

Жыл бұрын

@@AdEl-kj8uc He wants insider perspective that is aligned with what he believes in. (did I mention Jarrett Lowery probably considers him open minded because he is listening to this Almuqadimmah guy)

WHAT A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.. THANK YOU FOR APPROACHING THE SUBJECT WITH COMMON SENSE AND FACTS . THANKS AGAIN 🙏

I've met gay Muslim guys from Islamic countries. And yes, they exist. A lot of times it's very difficult for them to reconcile their faith and their sexuality.

@fallasleep9472

Ай бұрын

Who said they didn't? It's only a sin to commit to those feelings.

@smartstudyingdoggo9031

8 күн бұрын

@@fallasleep9472It’s difficult to want to do something and feel uncomfortable doing something else, but being a part of a religion that demands conformity to what would be felt as uncomfortable. It would also feel like a curse, no? Being stuck in such a position when you are born with something that your religion sees as sin.

@fallasleep9472

8 күн бұрын

@@smartstudyingdoggo9031 we as muslims believe this world is a test and Allah tests those he loves the most the hardest to see of their faith is strong, and yes that includes gay people. Even if they commit the sin, if they sincerely have regrets, then their forgiveness will be for sure accepted. Even as heterosexuals, we have tendency to go flirt and sleep around with the opposite sex, but we are told to avoid that and things which would lead to that act.

@smartstudyingdoggo9031

8 күн бұрын

@@fallasleep9472 that there shows where the discomfort lies. Regret is a required part of forgiveness for the sin of homosexuality. Therefore, you must regret something that is a part of you. To be morally righteous as a gay Muslim you must be self-loathing, unfortunately.

@fallasleep9472

8 күн бұрын

@@smartstudyingdoggo9031 Nice way of twisting my words, my guy. There are people with murderous tendencies which are natural to them, it doesn't mean it's moral for them to go and hurt people. And how the heck did you come to the conclusion that regretting is the same as self loathing? Allah wouldn't give you a chance to repent for your sins if all He wanted was self loathing from you since that would be torture. And I was talking about the act of homosexuality, not the attracting part, which completely went over your head. Also, being gay isn't your identity so the idea that you can't possibly control it is as ridiculous a claim you can make.

It's a sad sign of the sorry state of mind that plagues the muslim community when half of it is falling over itself to praise someone simply talking about a few historical facts, acclaiming it as "courageous" and "brave", and the other half of it is foaming at the mouth over someone simply talking about a few historical facts, denouncing it as "depraved" and "malicious"

@user-dl5ln3wd6f

2 жыл бұрын

The Problem that we Muslims don't Consider it as "Historical Facts" but Rather "Western Propaganda" or more like "Western Rumors\Myths" that has no real historical evidence.

@globallou

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-dl5ln3wd6f But it's recorded in Arab and Turkish sources written by Turks and Arabs. It's also why there are so many words for gay in the arabic dialects.

@innitbruv-lascocomics9910

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's courageous to talk about these facts in _general_ but knowing the channel's main audience, this specific piece of history is pretty interesting to point out because many in the comments will bicker about its accuracy and or the fact that it's even mentioned along side Middle-Eastern history in relation to Islam.

@globallou

2 жыл бұрын

@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 Exactly. And that points to a huge problem. No Christian thinks that it is either brave nor malicious to point out that genocides were committed by the Christian West, but Muslims are wetting themselves over someone pointing out that were some gay people.

@globallou

2 жыл бұрын

@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 This channel is full of videos talking about the Islamic world's conquests, colonialism, massacres, unjust wars and persecution of minorities and no one bats an eyelid. Then there's a video about how some people liked it up the bum and everyone's going mental.

Thank you for taking your time with such interesting topic, research and video! Success!

Watching this before my AP world history exam

I lived in Saudi Arabia and the UAE from 2010 to 2018 and never received more gay sexual advances anywhere else in the world. The advances were generally divided into two parts: straight men needing sexual release and genuine gay men. The incidence of innate homosexuality was much higher. Most of my gay friends there spoke about "first gay experiences" happening at about the age of 10, often with friends of the same age, but many spoke of pederastic experiences without feeling abused. Abusive experiences were plentiful, too.

@ojasvashishtha4453

Ай бұрын

It could be because there is strict segregation between men and women. So that is why they are just desperate and not just homosexuals. There are many like this in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well. Women are made to sit at home and usually accompanied by a male guardian and there is no culture of dating as such. Even schools are gender segregated which gives you a clear idea that most of the time they are in company of men only.

@JEAGERlST

Ай бұрын

Stop the cap 😂

@AbodMNS

Ай бұрын

@@JEAGERlST no there is a lot of gays in saudi but they cant say anything cuz its haram and people think its choice not natural

@binghamguevara6814

13 күн бұрын

Straight man would not have sex with men. Those men were bisexuals.

@dhimankalita1690

8 күн бұрын

Stop the cope arabs like dicks​@@JEAGERlST

Learned a lot in your video, I greatly appreciate the unbiased, fact-focused narration.

@mohammadfatimazahra3006

Жыл бұрын

بسم لله الرحمن الرحيم CHAPTER 27 VERSES 55_59 وَلُوْطًا اِذْ قَالَ لِقَوْمِهٖٓ اَتَأْتُوْنَ الْفَاحِشَةَ وَاَنْتُمْ تُبْصِرُوْنَ And (remember) Lout (Lot)! When he said to his people. Do you commit Al-Fahishah (evil, great sin, every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse, sodomy, etc.) while you see (one another doing evil without any screen, etc.)?" اَىِٕنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُوْنَ الرِّجَالَ شَهْوَةً مِّنْ دُوْنِ النِّسَاۤءِ ۗبَلْ اَنْتُمْ قَوْمٌ تَجْهَلُوْنَ Do you approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, but you are a people who behave senselessly." فَمَا كَانَ جَوَابَ قَوْمِهٖٓ اِلَّآ اَنْ قَالُوْٓا اَخْرِجُوْٓا اٰلَ لُوْطٍ مِّنْ قَرْيَتِكُمْۙ اِنَّهُمْ اُنَاسٌ يَّتَطَهَّرُوْنَ There was no other answer given by his people except that they said: "Drive out the family of Lout (Lot) from your city. Verily, these are men who want to be clean and pure!" فَاَنْجَيْنٰهُ وَاَهْلَهٗٓ اِلَّا امْرَاَتَهٗ قَدَّرْنٰهَا مِنَ الْغٰبِرِيْنَ So We saved him and his family, except his wife. We destined her to be of those who remained behind. وَاَمْطَرْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ مَّطَرًاۚ فَسَاۤءَ مَطَرُ الْمُنْذَرِيْنَ ࣖ And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). So evil was the rain of those who were warned. قُلِ الْحَمْدُ لِلّٰهِ وَسَلٰمٌ عَلٰى عِبَادِهِ الَّذِيْنَ اصْطَفٰىۗ ءٰۤاللّٰهُ خَيْرٌ اَمَّا يُشْرِكُوْنَ ۔ Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Praise and thanks be to Allah, and peace be on His slaves whom He has chosen (for His Message)! Is Allah better, or (all) that you ascribe as partners (to Him)?" (Of course, Allah is Better). CHAPTER 29 VERSES 28_31 وَلُوْطًا اِذْ قَالَ لِقَوْمِهٖٓ اِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُوْنَ الْفَاحِشَةَ ۖمَا سَبَقَكُمْ بِهَا مِنْ اَحَدٍ مِّنَ الْعٰلَمِيْنَ And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people: "You commit Al-Fahishah (sodomy the worst sin) which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns)." اَىِٕنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُوْنَ الرِّجَالَ وَتَقْطَعُوْنَ السَّبِيْلَ ەۙ وَتَأْتُوْنَ فِيْ نَادِيْكُمُ الْمُنْكَرَ ۗفَمَا كَانَ جَوَابَ قَوْمِهٖٓ اِلَّآ اَنْ قَالُوا ائْتِنَا بِعَذَابِ اللّٰهِ اِنْ كُنْتَ مِنَ الصّٰدِقِيْنَ Verily, you do sodomy with men, and rob the wayfarer (travellers, etc.)! And practise Al-Munkar (disbelief and polytheism and every kind of evil wicked deed) in your meetings." But his people gave no answer except, that they said: "Bring Allah's Torment upon us if you are one of the truthful." قَالَ رَبِّ انْصُرْنِيْ عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْمُفْسِدِيْنَ ࣖ He said: "My Lord! Give me victory over the people who are Mufsidun (those who commit great crimes and sins, oppressors, tyrants, mischief-makers, corrupts). وَلَمَّا جَاۤءَتْ رُسُلُنَآ اِبْرٰهِيْمَ بِالْبُشْرٰىۙ قَالُوْٓا اِنَّا مُهْلِكُوْٓا اَهْلِ هٰذِهِ الْقَرْيَةِ ۚاِنَّ اَهْلَهَا كَانُوْا ظٰلِمِيْنَ ۚ And when Our Messengers came to Ibrahim (Abraham) with the glad tidings they said: "Verily, we are going to destroy the people of this [Lout's (Lot's)] town (i.e. the town of Sodom in Palestine) truly, its people have been Zalimun [wrong-doers, polytheists and disobedient to Allah, and have also belied their Messenger Lout (Lot)]." بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم Like that guy wich is doing curraption every Saturday he's in the beginning did rape a girl he did go to prison he did give he's body to prisoners to rape him then he started being a gay half gay half sexual with women he's girlfriend was allowing him to do sex with her to make him stay away from those practices enchalah but she fails and she can tell people about that she didn't once more for not destroying he's life he did left her then he started selling himself for money and he became a purely gay wants just men may all Allah guides him he's also did lied to the girl that I did love and stand with when she was having cancer ,he's from tunisa that girl is from America I did know him before a year I didn't know about all of those things one time I was in my house in December 2021 my friends from omrane tells me to stay away from him then I understand what's he's really are I did forget about that maybe he would change maybe he would become a men what did he do he did mockery against me when I be with my freinds in my city they called him play I did know now why they do that I have proofs against him but I wouldn't show that to anyone maybe he's be guided someday he's life can be destroyed I even let him to be with the girl from America that I love I want him to marry her and stay away from mishelf, please pray with me o people's maybe God guides this person I can lie just like him and play with the feelings of the people's but I do not because my mom raised a men he's also from being in America and married he wants to leave islam and be Christian for this purpose even when I showed him this I didn't tell him the truth about him and what I know but I showed him this maybe he's being guided:Trinty is association. God is not eqaul to anyone and God doesn't need anything to complete him. 1+1+1=3 1 is perfect The perfect have to be just 1 because he doesn't need anything to complete him or it's not worthy of any worship angels are servants of God So us prophets and this is the truth . enchalah I don't care if he's being a Christian but at least I care about he's safety for being from the people's of LUT this would affect he's life badly would not have a family or kids Please pray for him. Because there's no compulsion in religion CHAPTER 2 VERSE 256 لَآ اِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّيْنِۗ قَدْ تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ ۚ فَمَنْ يَّكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوْتِ وَيُؤْمِنْۢ بِاللّٰهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقٰى لَا انْفِصَامَ لَهَا ۗوَاللّٰهُ سَمِيْعٌ عَلِيْمٌ There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

@Rotisiv

Жыл бұрын

@@mohammadfatimazahra3006 Just ignore them. They’re drowning in corruption and ignorance. I reckon faith has already left their hearts.

@boyeighteen9048

Жыл бұрын

@@Rotisiv homosexuality is good and natural. Religion is myth

So many of these comments are praise and gratitude and it's honestly well deserved. People have such an appetite for this type of historical educational content; free of the narrow homogenous lens we've been primed to view history through. So in earnest, I'll join in and throw a 'Thank you and keep up the good work!' to the pile. :)

@sharronhankins7722

3 ай бұрын

Yess!🤔🤔😏😏

It's easy to be homosexual in the Muslim world, because men and women don't often socialize together. Unless it's a family event. When A bunch of men hang out together, there is bound to be mischief.

Why do people get so mad about being gay lol

@tusk9687

8 күн бұрын

"gay people icky" or somethin. Some people try to justify this hate with religion or science.

@phizzy123

8 күн бұрын

idk but it’s funny to watch people seethe about it ngl

@Joel-Felix

4 күн бұрын

It's haram

@2the431

3 күн бұрын

​@@Joel-Felix but do you not noticeable difference and hypocrisy on the outrage people have about this act of haram vs others. The amount of outrage in hate you get for talking about substance abuse in the Islamic world is vastly different than homosexuality

@Joel-Felix

3 күн бұрын

@@2the431 it's haram obey or go to hell fire

This is very sharp, consistent with what one would expect from a textbook or graduate level lecture.

Your videos always teach me (someone who was raised in eastern Europe) a history that I was never taught in school and it's super fascinating I really wish we learned more about different cultures in history class

@Yanzdorloph

2 жыл бұрын

I mean the Ottoman Empire and it's laws was present in Eastern Europe too, so it's kinda part of your history too

@friedlemon5172

Жыл бұрын

@@Yanzdorloph ehh, depends which part of Eastern Europe

@bryanbradley6871

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure you aren't taught US history as well 😂🤦🏼‍♂️

@kirilll7806

Жыл бұрын

​@@bryanbradley6871bruh us barely has any history what are you talking about

@bryanbradley6871

Жыл бұрын

@@kirilll7806 are you joking? Wow that's racist, because there's people been in the US for 1000s of years

Great research and video. Thyank you for sharing!

Being Muslim hurts nobody Being gay hurts nobody Stealing hurts somebody Comparing thieves to homosexuality is like comparing Muslims to thieves. I love you all too much to do that. I think we should let people be themselves, and everyone should stop pretending we’ve never stolen something in our lives. If you are upset by that, you do not need to be because we have all already been forgiven. We all make mistakes. I am sad there is so much hatred directed toward gay people when gay people love you for who you are. Being LBGT is not a mistake. Being Muslim is not a mistake. Alhamdulillah

Brother, we appreciate you for breaking down this important subject. 💪🏆💪

@bryanbradley6871

Жыл бұрын

Cuddling with friends (males and males) is normal as well

@z123_qqq

Жыл бұрын

@@hanadkhalifa i loved your mother last night, i sprayed my liquid love all over her face

@quasarsaad12344

Жыл бұрын

@@bryanbradley6871 Yes, it is very sus tho Well jokes aside, the Islamic religion itself tells us to think best of others, which includes such cases.

@bryanbradley6871

Жыл бұрын

@@quasarsaad12344 no it is

I praise this channel for its thoroughness and depth

@rosieroti4063

Жыл бұрын

umm.... is it just my dirty mind... or.... 😄

@user-iz3nt9fd2t

Жыл бұрын

@@rosieroti4063 disgusting hornymaniac. Go get an occupation

@soksvaleryankoy

Жыл бұрын

​@@rosieroti4063 yes it is

In Pakistan and Afghanistan it is very popular, they practice it more but Deny in the Daylight.

@fallasleep9472

Ай бұрын

No its not genius, it's frowned upon.

@hornball8711

Ай бұрын

a lot of child rapes in Pakistan ( mostly with boys, who are addicted to opium)

@yucol5661

Ай бұрын

@@fallasleep9472cheating is also frowned upon and look at how much your grandfather’s generation did it. We like to think people follow what’s frowned upon, but there are LOTS of “open secrets”. Even VICTORIANS had sexual secrets that were crazy to us. The US finding fathers had outright heretical Christian beliefs if not close to atheists, but what happens in public is not the same as in private. We all think politicians stealing money is frowned upon, does that mean it’s less common today?

@fallasleep9472

Ай бұрын

@@yucol5661 What happens in the bedroom is no one's problem, I'm talking about public display of that sort of things. Also, most of the people bring up these things do it in order to further a certain agenda or present a place or people in a negative light so no, not buying that excuse of an argument.

@amandalaisn

Ай бұрын

WOW, that's totally true, indeed

The Quran doesn't say homosexuality is a sin, it says that men brought men with men, and men brought women with women, in more than 3 Suras they mention the people of the profit Lout as stealers and other bad stuff, they don't mention homosexuality.

@user-es8de7vg2w

25 күн бұрын

The meaning is that men "went" to men like men "going" to a woman It is haram, and it is a concensus between scholars that the meaning is homosexuality

@NBK112

6 күн бұрын

Men brought men in Arabic meen they have sex

Excellent Video. Impartial and Euridite. This is how all videos should be made. Thank You again for your work and insight.

I have added some of the sources and further reading suggestions in the description. I read quite a few papers for this so, if you want more details on a particular point, please get in touch with me.

@sufyanismail9998

2 жыл бұрын

Man, we need to talk, you’re misleading Muslims.

@porphyriontimotheoios1107

2 жыл бұрын

Which papers? Cuz your analysis in my opinion makes a couple of important mistakes, primarily in that you seem to me to be conflating modern concepts of age of consent, the conflation of sodomy and homosexuality as well as not paying much attention to the impractical nature of condemning all forms of homosexuality with the same vigor in pre-modern societies. Let's start with the first point. You explicitly say that men had sex with "underaged children", which projects modern notions of "childhood" into a setting where I wouldn't say they belong. The simple fact of the matter is that modern idea of the "child" and expanding "childhood" to overtake adolescence is a very, very recent development that has been brought on by a previously unprecedented state of wealth and access to medicine. We were at 46% child mortality in 1800 here in the USA and 26% in 1900, and that's just the statistics for children under the age of 5, my friend. I didn't look for statistics for children over 5, but one can certainly imagine that more of them died then than did today for similar reasons. That means that in 1800 if you had 10 children, you could expect to keep about 6, maybe 7... at least until they were 5. In Medieval England we know that the average number of births in the upper class families was around 15 and the number children that could be expected to make it to adulthood was 10-ish while in lower class families it was closer to 6, with often as low as 2 making it to adulthood. The British Statistics are paraphrased from Nicholas Ormes book Medieval Children (and I may be slightly off, but not by much), and the American ones can be found here (www.statista.com/statistics/1041693/united-states-all-time-child-mortality-rate/). With that in mind we might consider then that it was only practical for men to marry women as young as 15 for the widest space for fertility as possible, and indeed most people alive today descend from such unions. Several sets of my own great-grandparents were couples that had gaps of 10-15 and sometimes even 20 years between them, because it can and did often take a man much longer to get himself established enough to be able to afford a wife and children, especially depending on the pressures of his social class. We condemn these sorts of relationships today because there is no practicality behind them in a modern setting, but we forget that this is a high horse we can only sit on because of our unprecedented wealth and access to medicine. A man who took himself til he was 40 to get established was thought of as having achieved the same benefits as any other man who had done so at a younger age or one born established, and that was to have a wife and as many children as he could. If child mortality was that high, we might imagine that the best age then for a girl to be able to secure herself a stable husband would be 14-16, as it often was. So, age-gap relationships were a normal facet of pre-modern times, and one that we look down on from a place of luxury that our ancestors didn't really enjoy. It is a little disrespectful in my mind to those that came before us to paint them all with such a broad brush. With that in mind, when dealing with homosexuality things were no different because it was considered natural and beneficial for a man to be attracted to youth and a homosexual man was just exhibiting that same instinct, just in another direction, and an adolescent was not thought of for most of history as being a kind of child as much as they were a category of adult. We are generally not talking about boys below they age of 14 when referring to this concept, because pederasty was not for most of history viewed as encompassing prepubescent boys where it has manifested, and the acceptability of this behavior has depended heavily on the acceptability of age-gap relationships at large. Times were different, life was often shorter, and just because we live longer on average today and have a lower rate of child mortality, does not mean we are better and more enlightened than people in the past or people in the present who still live under these pressures. On the next point - your conflation of sodomy with homosexuality - I am not clear that this contemporary understanding was the same of people in the Islamic or Christian worlds in the past. If I remember correctly, this conflation was not really considered to be fully synonymous until well into the Post-War Period in the West and still doesn't make sense to a lot of people in different cultures, and even people in what is today the Muslim world. Sodomy for much of history in both the Islamic and Christian worlds has traditionally referred to oral and anal sex. All other sex acts were treated differently, which leaves a lot on the table, sex acts that Sufis and Christian monks alike are known to have written with a sort of guarded but still fairly straightforward openness about. I remember for example the writings of a certain prominent medieval scholar and monk (I can get you the reference, but I am paraphrasing) who once wrote that he was so excited to see the bishop who had been his mentor in youth that he would cover his body in kisses from his naked collar to his ankles... something to that effect. Nicholas Ormes' book Medieval Children also has a section which talks about the common medieval notion that friars (who were usually teenagers or young adults) were known to lure the newest boys into "sin", but then of course we know from other medieval records that sodomy and other homosexual sex acts were not considered in the same category. We also know the Sufi scholar and mystic Ibn Arabi is said to have traced the lines of the body of a youth who appeared to him in Mecca who signaled that he was in fact Allah with a secret gesture who took off his clothes when they were alone and asked him to do so, as it was in his lines that the secrets of being were etched. Let's Talk Religion mentioned this incident in his videos on Wahdat-al-Wujud and on Ibn Arabi proper. Thus, we can imagine at least for a moment that there is more for two men or a man and a youth to get up to than just oral and anal sex, and these were dealt with rather differently, if at all. The word "masturbation" did not originally of course mean to do to oneself, but "to manually stimulate". It was only gradually that it came to this definition, and only gradually that they started to be treated differently at the ethical level. Anyone who has been either a Christian or a Muslim knows of course that masturbation today is generally treated with a sort of quiet disregard for the reality of the situation, and we can certainly see this reflected for what we would call "masturbation" and "mutual masturbation" today in the historical record. Finally, lending to the point that condemning at the same level all homosexual activity of any kind was impractical, this is due primarily to the fact that privacy in the Western sense is a very recently developed concept. For much of history, a private moment was a rare thing. People generally ate, shat, slept and bathed with other people, most often people of the same gender. Parents and children used to sleep in the same room and more often than not even in the same bed, even among the upper classes (although this trend started to change with the latter beginning in about the 1650s), which meant that sex acts of whatever kind might be happening around them at any given time of the night. I think the earliest Western reference to this being inappropriate comes from the Victorian Period, and again this was mostly circulated among the ascendant middle class of the period. So, I'm sure we can imagine what many a teenage boy got up to under the covers whilst sleeping in the same bed with his friends naked with the rest of the family because of the summer heat, and in fact these dynamics are still quite common around much of the world today. In these sorts of circumstances, it would be difficult to conceal sodomy, and so what is considered to be ethical sexual conduct for whatever reason is more easily upheld by peers and family, and because masturbation and other homosexual sex acts were simply not treated the same as sodomy if at all. This is why a good deal of homoerotic Christian and Muslim poetry hints at things like mutual masturbation and even why art from the Ancient World commonly shows men engaged in such sex acts as intercrural sex or mutual masturbation. These sex acts were generally perceived as more acceptable, but sodomy (oral and anal sex) less so, and the idea of putting all people who enjoyed sex acts of any kind with the same sex or ever did at any point into a single category is one that didn't make sense to the general public until after it became the norm for people to start sleeping in separate rooms, at least here in the west. These are very important concepts in understanding the dynamics of pre-modern relationships and especially pre-industrial relationships in history and around the world today. Remember that many people, people who may or may not compose part of your audience (with specific regard to your Muslim audiences, even those in Europe and North America) live under some combination of or perhaps still all of these pressures that we in the West presently do not face at all, and it strikes me I suppose as a little insensitive of us to pass judgment on them and inappropriate to project our ideas onto them. Anyways, take care sir! I hope to hear back you.

@CordobaGeneral1234

2 жыл бұрын

hate how this guy tries his hardest to be “western” and “academic”. Even in previous videos he just says “Mohammed” instead of adding salutations to the name of Rasulallah ‎ﷺ. Newsflash for you, you are a confused Pakistani who is miserable failing to appease the white man

@johanness127

2 жыл бұрын

Check out Thomas Bauer "A Culture of Ambiguity", he extensively talks about this topic. Marc David Baer and his recent book The Ottomans also covers homosexuality and sexual relations in the Empires of the Ottomans, there you can find additional sources.

@innitbruv-lascocomics9910

2 жыл бұрын

@@porphyriontimotheoios1107 Why would it be insensitive?.

This piece is magnificently produced...great illustrations...thorough research presented lucidly...thank you so much...dgp/uk

it's great that you are making these videos, the more we have dialogue is better. Ps: Ibn Sina was an Iranian scholar, but in your map it is shown on Egypt's map.

Such a fascinating topic. Thank you so much!

Thank you sooo much as Muslim I thank you soo much for this information ❤❤❤❤

As a gay man, this was enlightening. Us LGBTQ+ folks have existed since there has been humanity and I love it when our history is celebrated from multiple perspectives. Thank you for this.

Homosexuality existed and continues to exist in Islamic world. However, from religion point of view, it's clear in the Quran that any homosexual act is a sin.

@ems4884

3 ай бұрын

No one cares

@fallasleep9472

Ай бұрын

​@@ems48842 billion people and more care

@ilkiya8028

Ай бұрын

@@ems4884 you cant say no one cares when somebody hurting your feeling through their statement

@shani5395

7 күн бұрын

@@fallasleep9472And that’s embarrassing

@fallasleep9472

7 күн бұрын

@@shani5395 A French fry like you cares XD

Incredible Video... Can you pinpoint the books that you can read to learn about islamic history? WOuld be very helpful

this is my first time here and let me say, that intro logo animation is so clean

Thank you for pointing out that homosexuality and Pedophillia are two completely different things. As ignorant people like to say they’re not. (SMH) I find that Muslim men are some of the most homophobic men in the world.. but simultaneously some of the most closeted homosexuals in the world. Yet still, I pray for them because that’s what My GOD tells me to do. ❤️

I'm part of the LGBTQ and I love history and watching religious and cultural reference to homosexuality. I find this fascinating and I hope there's also a Christian part of this. I have never encounter a Catholic or Christian historical topics for homosexuality.

My Best friend is gay & he is Muslim in their tribe some LGBT muslims are gaining acceptance from their society,,,, and I also notice that the head of their family now is their mother, which is different from their patriarchal traditions

@kmso81

Жыл бұрын

Even tho the entire world accept him won’t change its Haraam! Act

@redacted7060

Жыл бұрын

Stop the cap

@knightshade6232

Жыл бұрын

Yezzz he knows we saw it on TV when Isis was mainstream,,, we leave in the Philippines islam here is much open compared to middle east or Indonesia

@benaffleckisanokayactor

Жыл бұрын

@@redacted7060 it’s true, Islam manifests differently in SE Asia

You presented this enlightening video in a factual manner with a touch of humour. I enjoyed it and learned a few things. Thank you.

Can you please link your sources. I would love to check and read some of them. This topic seems so interesting. Nice work 👍

Great video. Please keep up the good work :D

Really interesting. Great content 👌

You, Sir, have an arid wit - it is a delight to laugh in such a context. Thank you for presenting so well the historical root-system of homo-eroticism in Islam, as you are playing to a tough crowd, and I say BRAVO! What is it about all those artists and mystics, eh?💐

a subject i had genuine curiosity in. good vid

"Europeans who visited the Islamic world in the late Medival and early modern periods imagined a lotta lesbian stuff going on in the harems" Well yeah, who wouldn't take that oppurtunity ♡

This was a great overview, I will certainly link it to people interested in the topic!

Demystification is so very important toward education. Best of luck getting the message out there, it’s a real mess in our world so many harbour such hatred and destruction.

thank you for covering this subject!

It seems that the early Muslims had the same attitude toward homosexuality as the Romans did. While being attracted to and having sex with men is no shame, the heterosexual family and the duty to reproduce was paramount.

@JubalBed

2 жыл бұрын

It makes sense. They were influenced by Greeks, Romans and Persians. The practice is common today in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan. Although it's usually men and boys.

@B10101

2 жыл бұрын

@@JubalBed Those are cultural practices tho

@JubalBed

2 жыл бұрын

@@B10101 Yes, but it is hinted at in Islam as well. Just as with the full breasted virgins, you will be served wine by beautiful young servant boys in Paradise. This could be interpreted as a promised reward of martyrdom or belief by saying that although these things are forbidden now if you are loyal to Islam you can indulge in them in Paradise and it will not be haram. It could have been a strategy used to get more men who indulged in those practices to follow Islam.

@WeyardWiz

2 жыл бұрын

@@JubalBed Uhhhhh no, just no.

@B10101

2 жыл бұрын

@@JubalBed I'm sure you can provide source 🤡

What an enlightening video. Thank you

Very Well Narrated, and informative. Thank You.

Very nice to listen to those facts all gathered in one videos. I heard most of those stories scattered from different teachers and Arabic literature in the past. Well done 👍🏻

Thank you for explaining this topic in a very sensitive and educational manner.

I remember reading years ago about this subject, way before the current relegated Islamic jihad wars of the 20th century. In it, Islamic communities often allowed upstanding homosexual couples to Foster or adopt orphans, both boys and girls, to provide the communities most isolated and poor children with what we would call today a blended family. This way the communities orphans had a family, home, security and could get a proper education, and the clans and tribes kept their unity and cohesion, and fulfilled the prophets teachings and protections for the tribes orphans who would otherwise end up ostracised and likely to die from neglect and starvation.

Straight Muslims realizing that we exist among them and have existed since forever: 👁️ 👄 👁️

@SonOfMorning

3 ай бұрын

*They are among us* 😱😱😱

Honestly very shocked at how well you handled the vid!!! You approaching this subject shows lots of courage and you handling it so well shows how much skill you developed while growing this channel. AMAZING JOB! -I do hope you give us some more lives the last one was more than a year ago 💔

Your chuckle for the penal code killed me 😂🤣. Nice analysis tho 👍🏾

it's so refreshing to hear this being spoken about in an impartial manner

Thank you posting this interesting educational video!!

very clear, objective, a learned synthesis! well dove!

@isahisahk5459

Жыл бұрын

Both the Qur'an and the Hadith condemned Homosexuality.

@fullsend8738

Жыл бұрын

@@isahisahk5459 it was always condemned, even before the 1900s. It just wasn't punished because we had more humanity then and less barbaric legislation. Back before the callous Brit's shamed us into murdering our own people because they like to suck some dick.

@vaishnavisingh9244

Жыл бұрын

@@isahisahk5459 so what? Did you watched the video? The video focused on the general attitude of public towards homosexual acts

@minar1355

Жыл бұрын

@@isahisahk5459 this video is saying about some people's characteristics of medieval arab. in Islamic rule it's haram for us

@al_nasr5851

Жыл бұрын

@@vaishnavisingh9244and the general attitude was aligned with the Quran and Hadiths. Did homosexuality happen maybe but very very rare and certainly not normalized

I just happened to come across with this channel. I would say that this is a well done research. Sad to say that most of the commentators haven't really understood the video presentation or at least its contents. This is an ANTHROPOLOGICAL approach which is carefully delivered and which should merit in all senses. So if you notice guys,... THEOLOGICAL COMMENTS DIVIDE AND POLEMICAL. That's a bad theology or it's not even theology at all. It's fundamentalism and doesn't really unify.

@mr.yayaman

Жыл бұрын

What a well done research. Have you verified it to say that its well done, any idea where he got his words? I guess as long as you have good visuals and put some arab names that and it has Islam in it that its 100% true.

@v2-ek2vl

6 күн бұрын

@@mr.yayaman he posted some books regarding this in his description, if u even checked it out

Don’t tell this to my arab Muslim friends 😭 apparently this is western values and culture

@brahimsadallah2328

2 ай бұрын

Where are you from ? Just asking you sounds like you are from India or something like that

@Rayaann

2 ай бұрын

@@brahimsadallah2328how? 💀 I’m British and I was going to comment the same thing as this person

@brahimsadallah2328

2 ай бұрын

@@Rayaann 😂

@TayWoode

2 ай бұрын

Westerners accept it, Muslims would kill you for it but doesn’t mean they have any less gays, they’re just scared to say they are gay

@ivybluecarter1975

2 ай бұрын

@@brahimsadallah2328 Spanish

Thanks for the vid and interesting history! 👍

15:25 the way you almost burst out laughing was epic XD

What a brilliant video on a really underexplored and misunderstood topic!

@itacom2199

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I didn't expect to find you here. Btw, you're one of my favourite content creators on YT and I really appreciate what you do ❤️

@mr.yayaman

Жыл бұрын

Misunderstood! Sounds we have been living the wrong way ever since mankind were created. Oh! You know what it might actually be a mistake from god, there should've been only one gender why complicate it? Is that right Mr. Cogito?

And I thought it would be a really short video, but thanks for the information!

Loved your research and explanation and tone ❤thank you.

As a non-muslim with an interest for history, this was very interesting and the first time I heard about the topic of homosexuality and how much it changed in the muslim world.

This is very sensitive topic in the islamic world and it's good to see it discussed and explained so well 👍 interesting to note that the Sultanate had fined homosexuality while the Christendom had death penalty in the same era. Indeed, it seems the post mediaeval and 19th century European control over the middle east has solidified the harsh stance against homosexuality from maghreb to the lavent and even india.

@notapenguin9354

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but “NOW” Europe is more respectful to homosexuality than muslim countries

@vaishnavisingh9244

Жыл бұрын

it's bit horrendous as a Hindu, that we had great many examples of lgbt+ members but their history was buried and falsified under the British rule

@vaishnavisingh9244

Жыл бұрын

@Sanctus Paulus 1962 because they have been influenced already by Europe. Influence goes beyond making the decisions for you.

@aaliyah3037

Жыл бұрын

Has very little to do with European influence and more to do with the fall of the predominantly sufi empire (ottoman empire). Orthodox Muslims existed all over the muslim world but we're not in positions of power until very recently.

@mrwhite77781

Жыл бұрын

By the Greeks Romans christians crusaders male Arab ass play goat sex lamb sex they had to fulfill the sexual needs without a wife then they come to America and they really can do they filthy deeds in dirty America

These things have been happening but no one could show this to the world but may God bless you.

it is very hard to find a proper documentation or a narration that isn't soaked with bias. this was full of facts and historical moments. thank you sir.

A very enlightening video! I'm very interested in the history of sexuality in different parts of the world, and it was remarkable to hear that the harsher view on same-sex relationships was pretty much simultaneous with the same thing happening in China and Japan (where those relationships hadn't even ever been illegal or seen as sinful). In the case of Japan and China it's very clear that it's the European influence during that time, but rather than Christianity being the influence it was the new ideas of sexuality that started to be developed along with the field of psychology in the mid 19th century. The ideas that homosexuality was a disease or a deformation of the mind became popular and spread to the areas of European cultural influence.

@vaishnavisingh9244

Жыл бұрын

@H H whose creator? Mine or yours?

@cceerrs

Жыл бұрын

@H H how on earth did you manage to get through this entire video (assuming you've even watched it at all) and arrive at such a ridiculous and brain-dead conclusion?

@raymil

Жыл бұрын

@H H Homosexuality is also a gift by God to the sexual minority, they can only accept but not reject

@betsyab121

Жыл бұрын

If that's true, then didn't God create homosexuals? If he created all things on earth and God doesn't make mistakes, then he made homosexuals.

@cceerrs

Жыл бұрын

@@betsyab121 no no the original poster is only explaining _why_ homosexuality was viewed as sinful towards the 19th century; it's not an opinion. they're not really condemning it

Even in European Christian society there's sort of a tacit tolerance of homosexuality between individuals of two different social classes among Conservatives.

Thank you so much for this. It really helped me understand this misunderstood part of history better

awesome perspective, thank you :)

Thank u for this honestly as someone who comes from an Islamic family this actually warms my heart

@sumayyahadetunmbi4347

Жыл бұрын

@Comrade Legion Fr

@itsbeyondme5560

Жыл бұрын

@Comrade Legion not the point

@itsbeyondme5560

Жыл бұрын

@Comrade Legion This is a historical video not theology 😆 If you want to argue, you got the wrong person. I'm not Muslims , so I do t care

@gheyonghi

Жыл бұрын

@Comrade Legion ew

@maysaci4066

Жыл бұрын

@Comrade Legion what is haram is homosexual acts, the attraction itself is not haram you can’t control the attraction dumbass

Rare view and approach to this subject from Muslim side. Great channel and a theme, just go ahead, all best for you.

Thank you for making this

thank you for an objective approach re: this topic! =")

Can't wait for the video! Judging by the comments, you're already getting reactionary rhetoric so I not only applaud you for your effort to contribute to history of the Islamic world, but to not respond to the same level of hecklers in the comments. Mashallah brother ❤

@AliSyed711

2 жыл бұрын

This western boot-licker wants to appease his ideological masters so that they give him some more dog food by stating that a few people were mentally handicapped and disguising it as history. As if the Marx bust wasn’t enough.

@0miy0

2 жыл бұрын

This is reactionary content honestly, or is he going to go into history of every wierd attitude and criminal behavior of those times? Doubt it

@zappy9880

2 жыл бұрын

Gayism is Haram. Cope harder.

@anthropolis4427

2 жыл бұрын

@Dani Al I think it is history. He's probably not going to say that homosexuality was more common then it was. E.g. castrati in Europe were not really common but it's stil history.

@misosoup9616

2 жыл бұрын

Calling it "Islamic World" doesn't sit right with me. Muslim World, that's fine with me since muslim aren't faultless nor sinless. But Islamic? Really?