I really like how the woman wearing the Niqab is liberal and the woman without Hijab is conservative because it just goes to show how different every Muslim is.

@Jamzymalone

Жыл бұрын

I mean what even is a Liberal or Conservative muslim? A muslim is someone who submits themselves to the creator and adheres to his commands, the niqabi said she considers herself Liberal because Conservative muslims (born into islam) are more intune with their culture, but with that logic wouldn't that make the Niqabi a Conservative because she follows Islam fully and not a culture

@omiethamsia9009

Жыл бұрын

she isn’t liberal. she literally doesn’t believe in the existence of gay people.

@annie_zrr

Жыл бұрын

This!!!!!!!

@vyli1

Жыл бұрын

that niqab wearing 'liberal' muslim was a typical conservative. She'd be a conservative christian, if she'd still held that faith. Not a single one opinion that she expressed could be considered liberal in any shape or form. And that's okey and at the end of the day, liberal muslim, conservative muslim, who cares, they're still arguing over quotes from a book written hundreds of years ago by a person who's claims cannot be verified at all. It's just silly, how much power people will give to some random text written by people who owned slaves.

@ishaali7213

Жыл бұрын

@@Jamzymalone exactly my thoughts. Its just labels

everybody gangsta til the conservative muslim's got the entire Qur'an memorised

@utsavkaushal_

2 ай бұрын

And here I am, with the entirety of Harry Potter jammed into my brain like a cluttered attic. But let's be real, only someone with a certified case of stupidity would want me to use that arsenal to tackle real civil issues. I mean, come on, it's fiction, not a magical solution for world peace! And believe me, Rowling did a more spectacular job with Harry Potter than Muhammad, who, let's face it, couldn't spell "magic" if it hit him with a broomstick.

@dylanarkawazy9137

2 ай бұрын

why all the islamophobia habibi@@utsavkaushal_ 🤣

@CherryFlower24

2 ай бұрын

it's not islamophobia, it's common sense and applied to any religion. It's just a book written by men and no one nowadays has legit proof of what's written in it. People have been blindly following those scriptures with no critical mind.@@dylanarkawazy9137

@utsavkaushal_

2 ай бұрын

@@dylanarkawazy9137Where's islamophobia? Harry Potter is a better fiction. After all, its written by a literate.

@lionelgrenelle

2 ай бұрын

@@utsavkaushal_ I agree with you. And I like your sense of humour. Humour saves, not reciting and memorising 🙂

I love how they just whip out these verses in a whole different language. Really telling of how much these people care about their faith.

@Elizabethblack212

6 ай бұрын

It's just arabic not a whole different language

@WaliWrlddd

6 ай бұрын

A white Muslim, black Muslim, Asian Muslim, all Muslims recite the Quran in Arabic even though they may not speak the language….you don’t see that with other religions. I believe that’s the point he was getting at.

@gautehunsbedt3042

6 ай бұрын

@@Elizabethblack212 Arabic is a whole different language from English.

@WaliWrlddd

6 ай бұрын

@@gautehunsbedt3042 😂😂😂

@WaliWrlddd

6 ай бұрын

@@Elizabethblack212 I believe my first comment was pretty straightforward…not sure how you got that interpretation. And yes Chinese is a whole different language than English just like Arabic is a whole other language as well. Let’s take Christianity for example…you don’t see Christian’s around the world reciting the Bible in it’s original Aramaic language. This is part of what makes Islam so special ❤️

"When it comes to religion, our opinion doesn't matter" I'm a Christian and so many people need to understand that, people saying that the Bible doesn't even matter, it's terrible.

@elsagreen1476

Ай бұрын

Yeah it doesn't :) The Bible can burn and stay out of people's lives thanks

I love that, “when it comes to religion our opinion doesn’t matter.”

@carlosmorenoandres604

Жыл бұрын

But it does when we interprete it

@eh1095

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosmorenoandres604 No it doesn’t at least in Islam, you refer to a scholar/reputable institution’s consensus

@nplify2389

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosmorenoandres604 we were told not to be extreme in religion in any subject.. it must be clear and substantiate with Quran and Sunnah..

@S.B1989

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosmorenoandres604 that's why scholar's who study Arabic, Islamic law and rules from the Quran and Sunnah (lifestyle) interpretate it for us regular Muslims

@sammann3577

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosmorenoandres604 chain of narration we have a whole science on that unlike the bible we refer back to the teaching of the prophet and what there companions have mentioned about him and his teaching go search it up.

I love how Jad kept referring to the Quran & Sunnah, our blueprint as Muslims rather than an excessive focus on “I feel” and “my logic”

@abirahmed8643

Жыл бұрын

fr i dont get muslim liberals, like nobody cares about your logic or feelings we care about our texts which are the quran and sunnah

@icomment5359

Жыл бұрын

@@May-gr8bp Are you muslim by any chance? Because according to the teachings of Imam Al-Shafi'i you aren't anymore, if you were.

@Abdullah-456

Жыл бұрын

@@icomment5359 brother according to all 4 madhaahib she isn't a Muslim

@colemerchant8926

Жыл бұрын

@@May-gr8bp haram

@seltzersipper4643

Жыл бұрын

@@May-gr8bp Removing a section of the Quran or the Bible because it offends some people is not feasible at all. Restricting people’s rights so that you can force them to align themselves in your interests just because “I think I know better” is quite a dangerous idea that leads to societal tyranny.

“When it comes to religion, our personal opinion doesn’t matter” hats off to you brother 4:12

@cef8270

6 ай бұрын

No individuality and free will huh. Fun

@sejjhave

5 ай бұрын

you have the free will to join or not to but you cant distroy the idea

@ahmeds.hindawy9985

5 ай бұрын

​@@cef8270 You have to connect 2 brain cells to realize that you have the free will to either join Islam "as it's" or you don't, but you dont have any personal opinions on how Islam should be when it's done and preserved from 1400 + years already.

@elvir182

4 ай бұрын

@@cef8270then don’t follow our religion, nobody is forcing you

@lamijamahmic8949

2 ай бұрын

@@cef8270just like you follow your state rules and laws, we do that with our religion.

“Conservative” has been portrayed as being over-religious when it is literally just following your religion the way it was supposed to be. Individuals other than conservatives just means that they followed their desires and veered away from their religion.

@ryojs4286

10 ай бұрын

Incorrect Conservative and liberals Are both part of 1700s Liberalism by John Locke

@jtmassecure4488

10 ай бұрын

Imagine following a religion at all.

@ryojs4286

10 ай бұрын

@@jtmassecure4488 imagine followings cults like liberalism, atheism and the other insane isms and schisms Instead of the Perfection of Islam

@alessandromeloni99

8 ай бұрын

​@@jtmassecure4488 yeah 😅

@tyr8264

8 ай бұрын

that would be so awesome ngl@@jtmassecure4488

They way they let Nathilie say her piece about homosexuality they didn't talk over her, they didn't dismiss her. They let her finish even though she stuttered. I loved that.

@insomni9c

Жыл бұрын

its how muslims are taught to be

@francescabuonanno2333

Жыл бұрын

@@insomni9c no

@Chloe-hv6qi

Жыл бұрын

@@francescabuonanno2333 were you born Muslim Francesca dear?

@PikaPluff

Жыл бұрын

jubilee wouldn't allow that.

@disprofundis3477

Жыл бұрын

@@insomni9c They are taught to marry 6 years olds while in their 50s. We know that.

This may be a small point, but I appreciate Jubilee putting up translations of the Quranic verses recited for non-Arabic speakers to read

@Smithpolly

Жыл бұрын

There are many different translations of the Quran, some of which contradict each other.

@celiniac

Жыл бұрын

@@Smithpolly Like?

@tahsintahsinuzzaman781

Жыл бұрын

@@Smithpolly Lol, baseless claim. I don't see a point entertaining this but for the sake of argument, even if the translations (which are ultimately human interpretations) are contradictory, this wouldn't really have an impact on Muslims as we read from the original preserved text in Arabic anyways, which is free from contradictions.

@aliyaans.7927

Жыл бұрын

@@Smithpolly name them, im pretty sure someone in the last 1,400 years has a answer to ur simple question or concern if that is

@Smithpolly

Жыл бұрын

@@tahsintahsinuzzaman781 So all Muslims are fluent in classical Arabic?

I really liked Latoya personally, she was very well spoken and versed and I feel she had so much reason behind her words mad respect

@adrianblake8876

4 ай бұрын

But she's not liberal, she only calls herself that because she's a convert, which is in no way related to that...

@haninmohamed4201

Ай бұрын

@@adrianblake8876 whats the true definition of a liberal? i studied it in my government class and all it was is wanting more freedom for people and equality. Which kinda connects with islam (not all). But that's how everyone is, no one can be fully 100% conservative or liberal. I also think those titles are unnecessary in Islam, we're all muslims, some sin more than others and some don't know about islam like others. I feel like these videos seperate muslims into so many parts that confuse us.

@ISLAMICSTORIES13

29 күн бұрын

@@haninmohamed4201 I agree. the words conservative and liberal have been misconstrued and they basically mean "traditional" and "progressive" now but they are really supposed to be loose descriptors that could apply differently depending on the conversation.

I would listen to Jad and Mahmoud talk for hours and not get tired. Mashaallah

@aneyonggg

Ай бұрын

yh brooo

@malikamv

27 күн бұрын

me too

@Nattie_4

23 күн бұрын

It was refreshing to hear them speak, proud to be a Muslim,

@sauronlovesauron6130

23 күн бұрын

@@Nattie_4 Alhamdulillah 🤲

@ellipitkanen117

16 күн бұрын

Listening to argumentation errors and speaking on top of others without actually wanting to have a conversation that increases understanding between the participants? Hahah no thank you! Jad out of the window👋🏼

it's funny how Jubilee cut them off during a very important part of the discussion claiming they needed to move on to the next prompt when there clearly was a lot they wanted to say, meanwhile in the 'trans vs conservatives women' middle ground video it was around 40 minutes long and they suddenly didnt "have to move on to the next prompt" and they all got their points across.

@hc2159

Жыл бұрын

omg I didn't notice until you said this....absolutely unfair. It was a really interesting part of the debate

@sha7303

Жыл бұрын

Jubilee is too scared to show Islam in a bad light.

@Lina_Bagel

Жыл бұрын

I think it is because it got quite heated and as they said "I don't think you can find a middle ground on this and that's fine"

@Sara-pt3ed

Жыл бұрын

to be honest I feel like they did it just too prevent great conflict between them. the topic in general is such a sensitive topic and I believe they did cut them off way too early. like they should've cut them off at a point but yes they cut them off WAY too early.

@maximkosolapov8908

Жыл бұрын

if u watched the video u would be able to hear why

I like how the girl who doesn't wear hijab accepts that it is still compulsory. A lot of people will try to twist the rules because they don't follow them, but she accepts that it is compulsory despite not doing it. That can be a very hard thing to do.

@empressme8681

Жыл бұрын

It’s not compulsory though… it SHOULD be done though.

@empressme8681

Жыл бұрын

But her view on it while not doing it is the ideal mentality with those circumstances where “I’m not there yet but i want to be and k I SHOULD”

@Batman.-

Жыл бұрын

@@empressme8681 it is compulsory, not one of the people of knowledge believe that it isn’t compulsory. All credible scholars agree, and in Islam we do not create our own interpretations, the people of knowledge build interpretations. She accepts it is compulsory but struggles with it, and that’s ok.

@zakariakhan5925

Жыл бұрын

@@empressme8681 it is compulsory tho

@Zain-iv9yv

Жыл бұрын

@@empressme8681 That’s literally the same thing, it’s not compulsory and it should be done…..

Turban girl is the kinda person who thinks her points are more valid than a doctor who has studied for years.😂

@maryamstackz

29 күн бұрын

literally like what

@AnnieBunnie08

25 күн бұрын

All she talked was bullsh*t in my opinion and should be this way in any real muslim's opinion. She is literally denying Quran for her own desires so she can feel comfortable to continue living the life she wants to.

@camilascatonebedin3002

4 күн бұрын

She speaks from other scholars, like the people in the comservative side. Both sides are relying on scholars. The conservative side happens to have more scholars, but I agree that even scholars can have their personal bias even if they try not to.

@AnthropogenicInversion

3 күн бұрын

@@AnnieBunnie08 silence, you little cultist.

@hassentrh2118

Күн бұрын

the quran was interpreted into "you should free your slaves" but now i do think it needs to be intrerpreted into "you should not own slaves" this is basically the only thing tho does that make sense?

The two liberal Muslims claiming to be Muslims but disagreeing with Islam itself doesn’t make sense

@bi7259

Ай бұрын

That's the challenge we see with the Ummah nowadays. They want the religion to be their own interpretation so that they can continue to feel comfortable living the way they want to live.

@rai7424

Ай бұрын

@@Mauichi97😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@harunz.alnaji585

Ай бұрын

Nope. Don't speak when you don't know anything.@@Mauichi97

@harunz.alnaji585

Ай бұрын

It makes them feel better making excuses for themselves. But only on that Day will they learn.@@bi7259

@mekodono7209

Ай бұрын

@@Mauichi97 and how did you conclude that

Please do a conversation between Africans and African Americans. edit: they made the video guys!!!! finally!

@deborahcole-taylor6081

Жыл бұрын

i think they are in the process of filming or editing that episode. they had a casting call for africans vs african americans a while back

@idrisabdullahi8717

Жыл бұрын

The real African I will love to see that Tank u

@-ameera-9103

Жыл бұрын

Yess i would love to see this!!

@Amberxxbbunni

Жыл бұрын

100% . I’m a British African (my parents from Africa) and I’m really confused about what’s going on between the 2

@Theterrific1sn

Жыл бұрын

I just realized how much I need that

The conservative side had great amount of sympathy while still holding to a solid standard of objectivity that their religion requires.

@user-vr2le8jb4d

Жыл бұрын

its not possible to be objective when looking at an ancient text with our ape brains which have our personal perspectives which have been coloured by all of the individual experiences we have throughout our lives. It would be impossible to project none of your own personal interpretations informed by your learned beliefs upon the text.

@ryojs4286

Жыл бұрын

@@user-vr2le8jb4d dude your a cultist atheist You dont know jack about comparitive religious studies Much less Islam Go learn something

@user-vr2le8jb4d

Жыл бұрын

@@ryojs4286 im not a an atheist you moron, and I dont find much value in reading books that humans made up 2000 years ago with a bunch of lies and contradictions, thanks for the offer though

@adamsmv2512

Жыл бұрын

@@user-vr2le8jb4dif u haven’t read it you know nothing about it, your opinion is invalid on anything relating to religious books

@ryojs4286

Жыл бұрын

@@user-vr2le8jb4d yeah as i said a cultist Your either religious or cultist There is no in between

The “acting on homosexuality is a sin” was an excellent way to word the question. Whoever wrote it understands that in Islam we believe a person can have that inclination however they are only sinful if they act upon it. Well done

@iamrobot396

5 күн бұрын

NO logic tho. Just because some guy said its a sin doesnt make it a sin

@gigachad-oe2lu

4 күн бұрын

​@@iamrobot396 doesn't matter what you think

@Lorimarchik

4 күн бұрын

@@iamrobot396 wrong

@Pellegrino1

4 күн бұрын

​@@iamrobot396 its not a sin in islam because thr guy in thr video said so. But bc that what the quran says

@iamrobot396

4 күн бұрын

@@Pellegrino1 but isn't Quran written by a guy lmao

I'm a Christian and this was very interesting for me. I don't know very much about Muslims but I see how Hollywood has unjustly portrayed them negatively as a whole due to specific world events. All of the Abrahamic religions should come to respect and uplift each other so that we can each worship peacefully in our own ways. We are in many ways siblings, each imperfect as mortals and seeking to align ourselves with truth. I would see the Abrahamic religious communities share love and honor amongst eachother

@aidygooner

Ай бұрын

If only the fascist Zionists had the same idea...

@Fuahhhh

Ай бұрын

great response, its all love

@oreofrisk

Ай бұрын

❤

@katlegodidit

Ай бұрын

@jonasgodwin8888, only if you knew what they call you in secret.

@cocaineanddunhills4801

25 күн бұрын

Betraying the fact you know nothing about the religion

Conservative Muslims and conservative Christians probably have more in common than people think. This was fascinating to listen to

@92spice18

Жыл бұрын

I agree even down to use of a head covering of some sort.

@jameelabost9296

Жыл бұрын

It’s said that Christianity is the closest religion to Islam.

@ruwhite1316

Жыл бұрын

@@jameelabost9296It is. In some cases a Muslim and a Christian are allowed to marry

@urpurp0se

Жыл бұрын

@@jameelabost9296 ..how are they similar at all ☠️

@generalpierogi7781

Жыл бұрын

@@urpurp0se bro it’s obvious

Love how jad backed his points, with every verse in the Quran

@tahsintahsinuzzaman781

Жыл бұрын

Alhamdulillah he came prepared lol. This is why its useful to be a hafidh and have the Quran memorized like him when explaining Islam.

@lil_jong-un6668

Жыл бұрын

I love that too, he explained Islam very well. Unlike a certain person with smug face and only says "I think..." and interrupt arguments from other side. Mind you that i'm not even a "conservative muslims", it's been a long time since i read my own Qur'an.

@theBakinNoob

Жыл бұрын

mashaAllah TabarakAllah, he did great.

@EzraB123

Жыл бұрын

I'm not Muslim but I agree. He knew what he was talking about. The liberal Muslims are just cherry picking.

@ferrarifem11

Жыл бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

notice how the two conservative men constantly go back to the quran and sunnah while the liberal muslims are all "i feel like" and "this has many interpretations in my opinion" lol.

@hthia142

8 ай бұрын

not all the liberal muslims, just nathalie

@JulietteDupont-up1gi

3 ай бұрын

Well... A belief is just that, a belief. It seems that people don't understand that in order to believe something, emotions must be involved; there are no facts in believing. Science doesn't believe in anything. Science doesn't believe you are breathing air, science doesn't believe we are floating in space... science explains how things happen and provides evidence of it. In science, your opinions don't matter because we're dealing with verifiable facts. When we discuss a book of philosophy, ethics or spirituality, what each person feels or interprets is all that matters.

@allergictohumansnotanimals5671

3 ай бұрын

@@JulietteDupont-up1gi I don't think you know how islam works

@once.upon.a.time.

Ай бұрын

Well, I would expect that kind of thing I think. When I consider Judaism (in very broad terms), orthodox followers follow the Torah exactly, conservative followers use the teachings of the Torah in much of their lives but have different interpretations, and reform followers are more about the spirit of interpretations and what works best in modern society. And I think that's wonderful and perfectly fine, there's no correct way to practice a religion really because every single person has their own version of faith. I would never say my version of faith is correct while another's is wrong simply because it was different from mine.

@silasfrisenette9226

Ай бұрын

The two conservative men interpret the text just as much, they just present it as fact instead of making it clear that it is their interpretation.

Nathalie 100% reads the Qur’an in her own way, half the things she said were a lie and were according to her opinion.

@wleeda9204

23 күн бұрын

She’s the same kind of people who corrupted the bible

Honestly, I’m not even Muslim, but listening to Jad speak during each debate was extremely insightful.

@KarlSnarks

Жыл бұрын

What's insightful about being able to recite some text? I mean, I can understand it if you're Muslim, because you'd believe those texts are sacred, but otherwise there's nothing insightful about it.

@KarlSnarks

Жыл бұрын

@gh0st Not the same, one is based in scientific evidence and also knows the limits of what it does and does not yet understand, and the other is based on dogma and ancient writings. Tbf, just reciting a quantum physics book is indeed not very insightful though.

@pjp7316

Жыл бұрын

@@KarlSnarks u forget the video isnt even atheists vs muslims. Its muslims debating muslims. We all believe Quran and Muhammad so whats being said in Quran and Sunnah, means everything to us

@John-lf3xf

Жыл бұрын

@@KarlSnarks The texts are insightful. Too insightful for your dense and ignorant mind. And science is irrelevant and insignificant compared to this.

@nplify2389

Жыл бұрын

@@KarlSnarks Quran talks about expansion of universe way way before the late Stephen Hawking.. Stephen Hawking just creating path of discovery but Quran already give it's conclusion.. many of this occurs in Quran.. chemistry, physics, oceanography, cosmology, biology.. GIVE QURAN A READ..ITS FASCINATING.

i would pay for another 30 minutes of this discussion I WANT MORE

@ZakSaturdayLover11

Жыл бұрын

Same!!

@colemerchant8926

Жыл бұрын

Let's get to the topic of pedophilia and let's see how the Muslims find a way to justify it.

@veganjimmyneutron

Жыл бұрын

Sameeee

@espreedupree

Жыл бұрын

Yesss

@lilnoir4213

Жыл бұрын

Just go to a major muslim country, oh wait there are no liberal muslims in such countries. I wonder why.

I loved the part about not scrutinizing other religions because it speaks to not forcing people out of them but allowing them to find Islam for themselves.

@ThomasL12.

6 ай бұрын

too bad muslims try to force their religion.

As a French citizen i admire the fact that in the US you can debate about religions,race,sexuality so openly and with everyday persons ! In France only politicans debate and with each other lol ! You’re a very open-minded country !!

@younes5830

8 ай бұрын

Je suis d’accord, l’islam en France est vu comme une abomination et un débat tabou à ne pas discuter. C’est triste d’en arriver à être détesté et de nous sanctionner de nombreux droit comme le port de l’abaya pour des raisons qui n’ont pas vraiment de sens

@blairsantillana

8 ай бұрын

Ironically, the U.S has France to thank for his since y’all helped us with our independence. It’s sad to see that you can’t debate in France.

@LittleThings98

8 ай бұрын

mais en fait person t'empeche de faire des debats sur la religion mec. là la chaine youtube est americaine mais on pourrait très bien faire la même en france hein

@LittleThings98

8 ай бұрын

" à ne pas discuter" ?? tu plaisantes ? ils font que parler de ça a la télé parce que cette religion et ses suiveurs font que causer des problèmes en france ( la france qui est une terre chretienne je reparle ). l'islamise fait QUE monter de ce pays c'est pour ça qu'ils sont OBLIGE d'interdire l'abaya et le port du voile à l'école @@younes5830

@LittleThings98

8 ай бұрын

We can debate about islam but we risk being decapitated by terrorists just like what happened to a french teacher, Samuel Paty, in 2020 in front of the school. We have a lot of muslim immigration in our country and it's making things terrible for us we're never safe . @@blairsantillana

Out of all the Middle Grounds that I’ve seen, I never witnessed a discussion so deep that even the director was like “Okay, there’s probably not going to be a middle ground on this, let’s move on” in the video.

@suzannabananav3132

Жыл бұрын

Well usually they cut that part out

@laincoubert7236

Жыл бұрын

it's also funny cause usually these videos don't end in a middle ground regardless lol

@chasti5754

Жыл бұрын

its not so unique, watch more =))

@ordgtrgirl

Жыл бұрын

It’s funny to me how people try to reinterpret these religious texts to meet their new standards or morals. Islam and Christianity are against homosexuality. It is a sin, from a religious perspective. There’s no way to change that. Either accept and continue to participate in the religion or don’t participate

@Taimur.Shairyar

Жыл бұрын

@@ordgtrgirl exactly, as a muslim, its crazy how some muslims deny homosexuality being a sin when it clearly states so in the quran.

Respect to Natalie for defending her points and having strong opinions in a room that was largely against her takes a lot of courage.

@oc5297

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. She was the only one against those homophobic and misogynistic weirdos

@t_t725

Жыл бұрын

@@oc5297 how were they homophobic and misogynistic? Where tf did misogynistic come from u just spitting words at them for no reason😂😂

@nash6472

Жыл бұрын

@@t_t725 I mean they did say acting on homosexuality would damn you for eternity so there’s that

@KPlaysSports123

Жыл бұрын

@@oc5297 also Zain was fine

@leguminous7564

Жыл бұрын

Having strong opinions shouldn’t be something that’s applauded alone. She defended those beliefs terribly.

What is nathalie talking about 😭😭 acting on Homosexuality is a sin. period

@dykefm

2 ай бұрын

7:33 exactly

@TRMTE160

2 ай бұрын

Shes not a muslim but doesn't realize that shes not

@AnthropogenicInversion

3 күн бұрын

it's not, and nowhere in the quran it even condemns it. lol. insane cultist islamist still wilding.

@Crack-wt9js

19 сағат бұрын

its not

@AnthropogenicInversion

16 сағат бұрын

@@Crack-wt9js finally a based user.

This is the most respectful MG I've ever have seen😊 I've seen adults on here be just loud and outta pocket, but these young people!??! Kind, respectful to each other, quite, calm; so beautiful!

Jad is so well spoken and polite. The way he supports his views using authentic text from the Quran is impressive.

@tuanoful

Жыл бұрын

So he's a bot

@k6ryu

Жыл бұрын

no he ain’t bruh, he’s an aimbot XD

@rebeccamilligan3992

Жыл бұрын

@@tuanoful lmfaooooo

@tactic2569

Жыл бұрын

@@tuanoful he is a religious person who believe in his religion and instead of following a mere human moral he listened to what he believe is his creator

@samail1114

Жыл бұрын

@@tuanoful being able to cite any verse to back what your saying, is very impressive and something very few can do.

Jad & Mahmoud did really well expressing themselves calm & patient, especially Jad referring the holy book before talking his own words.👍🏻

@dhanajon5528

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but i already got annoyed at Jad for spouting lies like "homosexuality is a sin in every religion", which just shows how unaware he is of other religions

@haifaabdullah5062

Жыл бұрын

@@dhanajon5528 what are the religions that don’t say it’s a sin?

@hydrocarbon13

Жыл бұрын

@@dhanajon5528 Jad was talking about Judaism and Christianity when he said that. He clarified this later. He meant every other Abrahamic Religion

@dhanajon5528

Жыл бұрын

@@haifaabdullah5062 theres a neat thing called google, hinduism and buddhism is a couple i can think off the top of my head. Confucious and taoism as well if im not mistaken

@labranehit7687

Жыл бұрын

@@dhanajon5528 Greek pantheon.

8:39 she literally said not two or three minutes ago that she recieved no backlash ever and now shes talking about all this hate that suddenly exists?

@camilascatonebedin3002

4 күн бұрын

The people in the discussion were respectful. A lot of people aren't.

I've personally made the decision to convert to Islam as i luv the whole idea that Muslims help each other & especially the less fortunate & that's why they give money during Ramadan & it is a beautiful & simple religion, but haven't taken my Shahada yet, gonna do that Wednesday possibly...Alhamdulliah

@lola-9220

Ай бұрын

mashaAllah, congrats 🎉

@charlesdartagnan8788

Ай бұрын

inspiring

“we dont shift in our religion” as a Christian this the reason i respect muslims.

@ee6lpzfzj023

Жыл бұрын

Amen

@ivartheboneless5969

Жыл бұрын

@@BravoCoy yeah basically what he was saying don’t need to put it in a harsher way to make people feel bad.

@MrTiger-gx4lj

Жыл бұрын

@@BravoCoy he was literally complementing you guys, that’s a huge generalization Ik many who read the Bible and attend church

@mahmoudsharaf1360

Жыл бұрын

We respect you too ☪️❤️✝️☦️❤️✡️ The Abrahamic religions

@angeleyes3396

Жыл бұрын

I agree

4:13 "When it comes to religion, our personal opinion doesn't matter". This sentence need to be remember for every lifetime.

@mahmoudalarda2322

Жыл бұрын

Yes exactly, who are you and what value does YOUR opinion matter when it comes to a ruling from Our Creator?

@interestingcommentbut....7378

10 ай бұрын

@@mahmoudalarda2322You could be misguided and not even know it that is the issue.

@arbaniusfanta921

10 ай бұрын

@@interestingcommentbut....7378 Or you could be in the wrong and fail to see it.

@interestingcommentbut....7378

10 ай бұрын

@@arbaniusfanta921 I agree that that is a possibility. But the problem is when people can not even imagine that they may be wrong.

@agjana

10 ай бұрын

literally not

I like this comment section. Almost everyone is being respectful and understanding of each of the participants of this discussion.

Nathalie literally just making things up 😂😂 Great respect to jad and Mahmoud

@AnthropogenicInversion

3 күн бұрын

2 homophobic @ssholes.

Some people force women to wear it and some people force women to take it off. The problem is always the same: people that want to dictate how women should dress and Islam is completely against both.

@nova7208

Жыл бұрын

fact!😊

@Knob-Oddy-likes-me

Жыл бұрын

You're clearly not making sense. Being forced to wear a hijab is a life threatening situation. Banning hijabs means you can CHOOSE to wear whatever you want

@randomshitpost8477

Жыл бұрын

​@@Knob-Oddy-likes-me How does banning something allow you to be free?

@WayMilky1231

Жыл бұрын

@@Knob-Oddy-likes-me re-read what you just wrote

@kisille

Жыл бұрын

@@Knob-Oddy-likes-me makes no sense to me

Jad and Mahmoud are the only ones who gave authentic information about Islam.

@hassanmansour9857

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, they represented it in its pure unfiltered atrocity

@babiemystic

Жыл бұрын

@@hassanmansour9857 what is it with you posting 31 comments hating on Islam? Islam doesn’t need you in order to be valid, learn to respect other people’s beliefs it’s okay to not believe in the same thing.

@shakirabdullah14

Жыл бұрын

@@hassanmansour9857 And can you explain why you feel that way?

@katiaarmy4336

Жыл бұрын

Alhamdoulillah for Islam

@vjolavelikaj

Жыл бұрын

I think that is because they are the only straight male people in this group and the Islam is made to empower straight white people, so Islam is a powerful tool in their hands. :)

The video is just beautiful, I loved the argument and can we just agree that Jad looks majestic here with longer hair? allahumma barik.

Jad reciting the related ayahs by memory is just so beautiful mashAllah 😭❤️ can I have a son like him pls?

@yoben9073

Жыл бұрын

read read read...

@holychicin8738

Жыл бұрын

Inshaalah bro

@khadsykoo2528

Жыл бұрын

More like a husband like him 😁🙏😉

@fireblade9781

Жыл бұрын

inshallah you will

@zidan6015

Жыл бұрын

@@JK_JK_JK Islamic civilizations in the golden age were much more advanced than the rest of the world though

Latoya mentioned how cultural norms can get misplaced as religious rules and I wish they talked about that more because as a revert that's been a big struggle for me.

@chlorophyll6154

Жыл бұрын

Well you can ask the question if you don't understand

@wildhonorablerose4249

Жыл бұрын

I recomand watching the seerah of the prophet Muhammed saws. The only way you gonna see the diff between culture and religion seperate

@hinaz85

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. As a born Muslim I can understand let alone one who was not born. Hopefully you've learnt the delineation now. Peace.

@achrafkhouadja5458

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind as well, the opposite is true, where the other side tends to make religious comandmants as a "Culture thing" or as a "subject of opinion" just to feed their cognitive dissonance and feel better about not following a rule that is hard ( which is basically the case for most religions )

@arondardouri2324

11 ай бұрын

Just always remember, Quran and Sunnah is where we get our Islam from, stick with that and Islam becomes much more clear.

How I loved listening to the two young Muslims, Muhammad and Jad

That one woman in Black niqab may call herself "liberal" but honestly all her opinions matched with that of "conservative" lol

As a Muslim, I am very proud of the group you chose for this video. I think you found a very diverse group that were very knowledgeable and respectful towards each other (better than that one Muslim spectrum you guys did, but let's not talk about that lol). Well done, Jubilee!

@musti769

Жыл бұрын

very much agreed

@farahmuhammadclaymore375

Жыл бұрын

@Brook Chegwin this panel is not VERY representative because we have NO asians muslim (60% OF MUSLIM WORLD) their opinions and views will be very very interesting to hear

@just-some-muslim

Жыл бұрын

@Brook Chegwin We don't talk about it!

@potatothings7223

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. Other than the revert, I strongly dislike this group. The one interesting point is that a lot of interpretations and scholars do have their own agenda and biases.

@kordei-7839

Жыл бұрын

The two that disagreed that acting on homosexuality being a sin seemed confused. Islam is very clear that it is a sin to act on it. Other than them two, the rest seemed to understand Islam. Edit: This liberal below me… are you okay? Some things in Islam are clear. It’s not a debate or up for interpretation.

Props to brother Jad to not interjecting when someone else was speaking and also referencing the Quran and the Sunnah to make his points. He was also very clean on explaining his points. I’m not a conservative Muslim but agreed with a lot of what he said.

@Sydstuhz

Жыл бұрын

So you're homophobic too?

@guts7518

Жыл бұрын

he's mid and homophobic... you'd remember the quran too if you went to an islamic school.

@user-mx7po6yd3t

Жыл бұрын

You either Muslin or not, there are not ,,conservative,, muslims

@dinardinar2657

Жыл бұрын

Why are you not a conservative muslim? How do your thoughts differ? (Just curious)

@swimine2.0

Жыл бұрын

@@dinardinar2657 Do you know what’s the difference between the two? Just curious as a Muslim myself

The best thing about this video : you see Jad and mahmoud when they talk to women they look down respectfully because they aren't allowed to stare to women. and when nathalie stutered they didn't talk or comment and let her finish what she was saying. That's how respectful muslims must be. That's what our religion teach us on how to treat women with respect

I loved the way Jad worded everything, really admirable passion and understanding of islam.

As a non-muslim, I feel that this was very eye-opening. You do not see a ton of representation in the media about regular people who happen to be muslim, and it is a massive shame on the media for not properly representing muslim peoples. Ya'll did wonderful in my opinion.

@jennylai7447

Жыл бұрын

I just need to comment, because all Muslim people are “regular people”. Muslims arent this group of off brand humans that dont have feelings/desires like everyone does. And as far as media coverage, we as muslims try to present what islam truly is and what is permitted.

@purplesky99876

Жыл бұрын

@@jennylai7447 IDK but I took that comment as the media portraying Muslims as either terrorists or "exotic" figures, sadly. So yes, it'd be nice to have the media portraying "regular" Muslims, because they are, in reality.

@jennylai7447

Жыл бұрын

@@purplesky99876 oh okay that makes sense. Reading back now with that perspective I think I did misunderstand. I took it as liberal muslims are the regular people and conservative muslims are not

@jawhertaga87

Жыл бұрын

@@jennylai7447 yes which is why muslim are not standard should take as an example or following but rather it's the whole/entire religious teaching because as we all know are also imperfect and according to Islam we are supposed and made/intended/meant to follow Islam not necessarily the follower of it. Like who care about whatever the follower do if it's according to their belief

@Bazil496

Жыл бұрын

@@jennylai7447 Yes but if you worship a pedophile prophet and think sex slavery is ok there must be at least something wrong with you.

Jad is the kinda guy everyone wants to have in his friend group, jad is so well spoken and informed, it makes you come closer to your deen just by listening to him.

@Fer-fy8dx

Жыл бұрын

He agrees that homosexuality is a sin… I wouldn’t want that in my friend group 💀

@DV-ko6bk

Жыл бұрын

@@Fer-fy8dx acting upon it in Islam is a sin.

@pedroantonio5565

Жыл бұрын

@@DV-ko6bk You can't dissociate or disconnect being gay from "acting on gayness"; in general, they'll never be mutually exclusive at the end of the day. Straight people are so weird for imposing that on queer people when they can't even imagine themselves "not acting on heterosexuality"

@MR_0051

Жыл бұрын

@@Fer-fy8dx lucky of that friend didn't join your group

@6runks5

Жыл бұрын

@@Fer-fy8dxyou’re mubtadaa

everyone needs a Jad in their lives like he's so well informed and gives off very calm and passionate energy.

@user-zu4lu2tg2c

8 ай бұрын

i love him

@lautaroaguilar9584

8 ай бұрын

No thanks.

@jeb3180

8 ай бұрын

@@lautaroaguilar9584 i mean, your choice i guess?

@user-zu4lu2tg2c

8 ай бұрын

@@lautaroaguilar9584 Yeah you seem happy being ignorant unknowledgeable and lost

@ludvigsilva1

5 ай бұрын

Disgusting!

Religion does not care about your feelings, if you are a true muslims you submit yourself to Allahs will

@Smithpolly

11 ай бұрын

How do you know what Allah's will is?

@bashirabdulghaniy

10 ай бұрын

@@Smithpolly It's clear in the Qur'an, where it is literally Allah's speech to Muhammad ﷺ . It is not like the Bible where it a 'divinely-inspired' work written by men.

@Smithpolly

10 ай бұрын

@@bashirabdulghaniy How do you know that the Quran is Allah's speech?

@bashirabdulghaniy

10 ай бұрын

@@Smithpolly The same way I know that a Banana is a fruit. By definition the linguistics of the Qur'an are Allah's speech to Muhammad ﷺ.

@Smithpolly

10 ай бұрын

@@bashirabdulghaniy Who told you that the Quran is Allah's speech to Muhammad?

Jad quoting the Quran and having so much of it memorized, is beautiful and inspiring. As a Christian, I should definitely spend more time reading and memorizing my Bible.

@whydontyoustfu

Жыл бұрын

Yes nothing more productive than memorizing ancient garbage.

@nael1722

Жыл бұрын

@@whydontyoustfu search more please

@zerologic7912

Жыл бұрын

Muslims are directly instructed to read and memorize the Quran (not necessarily all of it). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the same is true for Christians.

@somedonny8466

Жыл бұрын

@@whydontyoustfu more productive than basically anything you've ever done since your birth.

@ihsanpro9406

Жыл бұрын

There ain’t any Christian’s who memorized the Bible, there are too many versions with lot of inconsistencies so I can imagine why memorization is such a challenge for Christians

Just a suggestion but i would personally love to see an African Vs African American conversation...i would love to see what both sides think about controversial issues such as colonization, slavery, whether Africans contributed to slavery etc...thanks for reading if you did.

@Jibril_Abdulkadir

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@dalyapaka2906

Жыл бұрын

Yessss, or first gen African American vs Black American

@shelbyspeaks3287

Жыл бұрын

"whether africans contributed to slavery..." is that an opinion?

@maryhankton5384

Жыл бұрын

@@dalyapaka2906 there is no first gen African Americans if they immigrated to America they are whatever country they came from plus American example, Nigerian American or Ghanaian American .they black too but African American is an ethnicity for Africans enslaved in America. This has been our ethnic name since the 1700s in America google is free.

@dalyapaka2906

Жыл бұрын

@@maryhankton5384 what I meant was like the children of African parents, who were born in America . For example my mom was Born in Congo but I was born here. I don’t identify as black because i feel like it’s associated with black culture and I was raised in an African household, just in America, so I just say I’m African American

“When it comes to religion personal opinion doesn’t matter” This is why I’m not religious because MY opinion of MY life definitely matters.

@ryojs4286

10 ай бұрын

Yep and you can choose hellfire We have free will To eother choose Heaven or what you picked

@fauzia_is_a_man

10 ай бұрын

​@@ryojs4286respect atheists

@ryojs4286

10 ай бұрын

@@fauzia_is_a_man Ofc I disrespect their stupidity. They want the hellfire they can have it. The Sky is Blue, Islam is True, and the Cultic Atheists can have their fun in the sun till time runs out. Bee.

@ultimatedeatrix9149

9 ай бұрын

Who does it matter to you? Only you.

@wuvrila

8 ай бұрын

@@fauzia_is_a_manand respect islam? ur commenting this on an islamic post sooo

I never seen so much respectful animosity.

I'm a Christian, however, I really admire their ability to recite the quran IN arabic instantaneously. If anything that really stuck out to me as amazing

@syifaaray4652

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying that. In Islam, we perform our daily prayers in Arabic even if it's not our native language. The Quran as a whole is also written in Arabic. For non-Arabs like me, we learn the Arabic alphabets & pronunciations early on to recite the Quran. It's also very common to have dual-language versions to help us understand the verses.

@mrt8bit692

Жыл бұрын

@@syifaaray4652 That's interesting, I love learning about world views so thank you for your insight!

@marionnduati3780

Жыл бұрын

We have missionaries here in Kenya who recite Bible verses in Aramaic and Hebrew🥺that is also mind blowing

@vtakt

Жыл бұрын

@@marionnduati3780 but does anyone understand what they’re saying? genuine question not tryna be disrespectful

@sebastianrinoy7183

Жыл бұрын

​@@syifaaray4652 Can you please tell me why women in Muslim cover themselves with a certain kind of dress, head face and everything.

I really respect Nathalie for coming on here when she probably knew she'd have to defend her own sexuality.

@stepanvrana88

Жыл бұрын

Well but what's the respect for? Be proud of your sin? I don't think so.

@aimenriaz3874

Жыл бұрын

Bruh... nobody attacked her sexuality.

@uhmyself11111

Жыл бұрын

@@stepanvrana88 how dare someone have different moral standards

@prada_em

Жыл бұрын

@@stepanvrana88 respect others and stop telling them what you think they’re doing wrong when no one asked you to begin with

@user-bv1qt6cd4g

Жыл бұрын

@@prada_em well she follows the religion of islam. So in that context, we can advice people who r wrongdoing. But ofc in a respectful manner.

It’s weird how Muslims say that if homosexuality is allowed then what’s the next step incest, as if weddings between cousins in then Muslim communities isn’t a common practice.

@Blackmamba648

Ай бұрын

I’m a gay Muslim and I agree

I was so sad to see Jad take on a completely different personality in the new episode of ex-Muslims vs. Muslims. He was well-informed and well-respected here, but I felt conflicted about him in that episode. Atia was the one who carried the entire debate there and managed to call out the hypocrisy from both sides respectfully along with D'Harmonie.

@user-kk2fb3dw8h

8 ай бұрын

Yeah he totally fumbled in the new video. But to me the new video seems to reveal his true personality behind the facade

@dom3073

8 ай бұрын

no hes the same you just want him to give a watered down, flaccid version of islam instead of the true Islam.

@EverFlower

8 ай бұрын

@@user-kk2fb3dw8h Honestly, true. Mad respect to the Jad here but in the new video, he was just hiding his anger

@zahur5254

5 ай бұрын

Well, that's what religious extremism brings you to.

@ryojs4286

5 ай бұрын

More like you guys want a coward that rolls over as they push an agenda onto Islam Not to mention they censored and cut a lot of what was being said and kept trying to anger them We found that out on the podcast that uncovered what was really going on

Listening to Jad, Mahmoud and LaToya's compelling responses really reaffirmed my faith in Islam :)

@icy.diamond

Жыл бұрын

Mashallah to those three, very knowledgeable people

@Givemearandomname177

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@lubdublubdub8176

Жыл бұрын

I love these three

@robertdarnhofer536

Жыл бұрын

these scholars use their personal opinion and background to interpret it… and that’s why we have these many denominations (Madhaahibs) in Islam… we have some denominations that drinking wine and dancing is a way of pray and some denominations that makes aged wine haram but the pee of camel halal… and all these variations comes from the difference in interpretation of Quran… would love to see the scholars providing the evidence but my guess is it will look similiar to our politicians telling us what they will do if we vote them...

@ramagameel3134

Жыл бұрын

Every Muslim should have to watch a beautiful reaction of (Ali dewah) on this 😀

One thing I def noticed in the Muslim community is that people tend to only focus on womens hijab and they seem to forget that men have a hijab too. (For those who don’t know, men are supposed to cover their bodies, not wear tight clothing, cover to your kneecaps, not show arms or chest around non-Mahram women) only face and hands. But only women are hyper-policed in this area and it’s sad. I wish more people would discuss both sides of piety smh. Our religion is so perfect but our people really need guidance in terms of sexism and prejudice

@Loveydoveyl

Жыл бұрын

But nevertheless a very insightful and beautiful discussion! I loved it❤️

@mahmoudalarda2322

Жыл бұрын

Happy you brought that up, this was explained in the original discussion but was cut from the video 😔

@Rationality4Life

Жыл бұрын

Nothing perfect about a religion that allows child and cousin marraiges, slavery, r*pe, triple talak, etc.

@Loveydoveyl

Жыл бұрын

@@Rationality4Life okay then why are you here? Move

@Loveydoveyl

Жыл бұрын

@vongolaatzi5390 well not every community is like yours. People have different experiences and the majority of the time I see people criticizing hijabi women not men. Thank you

I need a much longer version of this

Speaking as an agnostic, the conservative muslims are more consistent and true to their beliefs overall, and because I prefer honesty I'd rather all muslims be like that instead. The liberal ones are a weird perversion. If you're gonna espouse anti-islamic liberal ideas then why still call yourself a muslim? So it's frustrating for both sides to see.

@Smithpolly

8 ай бұрын

You might be less enthusiastic about conservative muslims being more consistent and true to their beliefs overall if you lived in Afghanistan.

@kirdinbenigaddemit3579

Ай бұрын

@@SmithpollyI think he means that conservative muslims arent trying to change rules to make them more acceptable. In my opinion all of those abrahamic beliefs are full of hate speech, otherness, racism, sexism. If they dont like it, they should leave them but not try to make them more acceptable. 🤷‍♂️

@Smithpolly

Ай бұрын

@@kirdinbenigaddemit3579 What he said was that he'd rather all Muslims be conservative because he prefers honesty. I'm guessing he lives in a place where he doesn't have to feel the impact of that "honesty" and if he did , he might come to appreciate a bit of hypocrisy and "pick and mix" Islam.

Jad really has very strong, deeply rooted beliefs with an insane amount of justification, taken directly from the Quran. I think that it's incredible that's he is so able to express himself like this.

@Lipanj92

Жыл бұрын

Makes me inspired and motivated to become like him, to study and memorize more, ان شا الله.

@user400

Жыл бұрын

mashaAllah beautiful justifications. he knows his stuff!

@ASLUHLUHCE

Жыл бұрын

There's nothing incredible about about having zero critical thinking.

@kasianyland2416

Жыл бұрын

@@ASLUHLUHCE can you explain why you think he has no critical thinking ability?

@ASLUHLUHCE

Жыл бұрын

​@@kasianyland2416 He's learnt these 'revelations' without subjecting them to reason

Wow I love jad's passionate, calm, nature, and the way he embodies the teachings of Islam. He seems respectful and sweet MashaAllah

@Liiiilllliiiiinn

Жыл бұрын

Other than his looks there really isn’t much redeeming value to him or any person who consciously ascribes the credibility of their will, feelings, logic, sense, humanity etc. to a superannuated written text that is rationalized by subjective interpretation on an individual basis. Imagine giving up thinking for believing lol color me galvanized 😂😂😂

@tayyibahhussain9053

Жыл бұрын

@@Liiiilllliiiiinn if you’re just jealous of him say so babes x and don’t forget to say Allahumabarik! ❤️

@Liiiilllliiiiinn

Жыл бұрын

@@tayyibahhussain9053 jealous of him for being virtually a willing victim of nescience?? LOL thank you for the joke

@DestroyerOff

Жыл бұрын

@@Liiiilllliiiiinn you’re dragging it love. Islam is very strict and forces discipline among it believers. In the end, believe in what you want.

@anthonymc8361

10 ай бұрын

@@Liiiilllliiiiinn If you don't believe in Islam or any religion at all, just don't attack anyone who does.

I wish all muslim not only recite arabic verses but understands them word by word during reading by themselves .

Nathalie interprets things in ways which favours her. The way she interprets is totally against islam.

I feel many of us have been waiting for this level of dialogue for a long time. I appreciate Jubilee for taking on a VERY difficult subject matter.

@aprilotero7448

Жыл бұрын

Yes. It's always appreciated to watch this type of content to reaffirm my atheism. This one didn't let me down a bit. Thanks , Jubilee.

@Whirlbee

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I wish it didn't get there, it sucks having your existence be a political or religious talking point

@Enlightened-rd1jz

Жыл бұрын

This debate is US centric and doesn't represent reality in the Muslim world. The so called "conservative" Muslim isn't even close to conservative. Because conservative Muslim women don't even go on tv lol. That's conservative by the US standards.

@humzanafees9348

Жыл бұрын

It’s not difficult. Literally the conservatives are more better Muslims than the liberals 😂

@krzysztofmedyna3661

Жыл бұрын

@@Whirlbee While I agree with your feelings, I think humanity has a lot of growing up to do for that to be feasible. Let's hope!

"there should be no scrutiny on any religion" absolutely insane take

@Marz2727

Жыл бұрын

I thought so too. The mindset that any religion is perfect is bonkers.

@prakhar4547

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@MilaTejana

Жыл бұрын

I was blown away when I heard that part but I honestly think some misunderstood the meaning of the word. Scrutiny is not ridicule nor disrespect.

@MonaLisa.16

Жыл бұрын

Thats what these Muslims believe. Why do you think apostasy is illegal in Muslim countries?. Because they want to control you and your life. Religion is tool to control people.

@xmary.

Жыл бұрын

@@Marz2727 I think what they meant was the treatment of what the media does to islam shouldn't be done to other religions because in Islam it's forbidden to insult or make a joke out of others beliefs, criticism is allowed but it has to be respectful.

the girl in the niqab is literally conservative lol

@anqel9377

2 ай бұрын

Thats not how it works ❤

@therocktopus123

2 ай бұрын

@@anqel9377 buddy

@lamijamahmic8949

2 ай бұрын

Covering your face doesnt make you conservative

@sarahp6554

2 ай бұрын

I think the original poster is noticing that on most, if not all, the issues she seems to be agreeing with the conservative perspective more than the liberal one. I’m curious as to how she would answer other questions.

I love how only the males step forward in regards to how a woman should be.

This is the most impressive middle ground episode yet, for three reasons: 1. The topic is complicated, which leaves us with more questions, more issues to ponder. 2. The questions were well thought out, which allowed the guests express opinions from a certain depth. 3. The guests weren’t afraid to voice their opinions as is, which allows for a conversation with multiple layers, allows each person to truly understand the other as they dig through their beliefs. More of this, Jubilee.

@mastadon

Жыл бұрын

I am unsure if anyone in the panel came out understanding each other more. The dude who gave weird reasons about having four wives and excusing away slavery. I don't think he was receptive at all. Religions always change with time. In fact, that is how it survives.

@theelolicious9302

Жыл бұрын

@@mastadon islam has ‘survived’ 1400 years without any changes, i think it’ll be fine.

@paulsinih7404

Жыл бұрын

@@theelolicious9302 time will tell us

@paulsinih7404

Жыл бұрын

17:43 we can see all the Munafiqn that are insecure about their religion to the point that they think it shouldn't be scrutinized to the same degree as the other abrahamic and world religions, bravo to the only 2 liberals who came up because they are not insecure about their religion, unlike the conservative ones

@gwildordipkin6504

Жыл бұрын

Word to the wise people don't forget pearl harbor!

The revert Niqabi muslim woman is incredibly knowledgeable on Islam Mashallah.

@moriyarose3587

Жыл бұрын

@Mugi She said she's open to learning, but she continues to talk over everyone and disagree/argue with everything they say. That doesn't sound very "open to learning," to me.

@korexoxo

Жыл бұрын

@Instagram You keep copying and pasting the same reply, please get a life

LaToya, Lemia and Jad are very interesting people to listen to; who also portray themselves in a very respectful peaceful way which is what Islam is all about.

It's interesting that it's men who felt so strongly about the first prompt.

Mad respect to everyone’s pov on this episode, the respect was kept equally, everyone was allowed to land their points. How it should be

@carllucas89

Жыл бұрын

Without lies, islam dies.

@supremebrother

Жыл бұрын

@@carllucas89 christaity is literally dying rn

@user-fq2dz7ds2g

Жыл бұрын

@@supremebrother you don’t know if the person commenting is Christian so there was no need for that

@rajhshah96

Жыл бұрын

Islam pov should not be respected same as Christianity! It is outdated and harmful in modern times

@softnpure

Жыл бұрын

@@user-fq2dz7ds2g ^ there was no need to attack any religion at all, speaking as a muslim

The point that Mahmoud made about the religion being perfected is so true and many Muslims forget that today. You can’t change the rulings of the religion to what you see fit. It is perfected and complete and authentic. No Muslim can argue with Allah’s word, which is final.

@Farhankhan_the1

Жыл бұрын

So let’s bring back slavery is what you mean huh

@lokkj1641

Жыл бұрын

@@Farhankhan_the1 where in the quran does it say to bring back slavery

@Givemearandomname177

Жыл бұрын

@@lokkj1641 It doesn't

@zee33333

Жыл бұрын

@@Farhankhan_the1 bro what?

@DarkChocForLif

Жыл бұрын

For real

I wish you guys would read out the prompt. If I am listening to these midground conversations while working and drawing, I often do not know what they are responding to as I did not hear the prompt.

I’ve been loving these middle ground conversations.But, I lived in Egypt for 2 years and I’m a homosexual male. All I’m going to contribute to this is, there’s A LOT a Muslim men who enjoy the company of men. That’s all!

@nami20622

5 ай бұрын

Haram brother🤨

@xtremejagy5959

15 күн бұрын

@@nami20622 Its Allah's job to judge

love how you bring out a conservative Muslim as a non-hijabi because I have seen some women being more religious without the hijab too.

@ryojs4286

Жыл бұрын

Hijab is modesty, there is hijab for both genders its just the westerners want our women to be naked and use them as commodities like they do in various disgusting acts in western industries

@surayaranjber4740

Жыл бұрын

yes!! And like they said I have witnessed muslims with hijabs doing things they really shouldn’t be doing but they just cover up.

@ryojs4286

Жыл бұрын

@@surayaranjber4740 *Gasp* No way!!! Almost like their HUMAN AND NOT AN ALIEN *WHOOPS I GAVE AWAY THE SECRET* Islam is perfection, Mu-slim (Means Follower of Islam) Human beings are imperfect trying to follow perfection, there are some people screwing up but the religion is indeed perfection Its similar to a Muslim drinking alcohol, its prohibited to advertise it/drink it/helping sell it in Islam regardless of whether he is or not

@Enlightened-rd1jz

Жыл бұрын

That's conservative in the US tho, A conservative in the US is a hardline liberal in places like the Middle East.

@user-kk8nu8mo9v

Жыл бұрын

@@Enlightened-rd1jz ofc but if you were to compare the liberal Muslims to the Middle Eastern Muslims how would that turn out then? Although I do agree with your statement InShaAllah she wears the hijab soon just like she had said

As someone who would identify himself as a "liberal muslim" listening to Jad clears some points in my head. He is very well read and can recite from our book relating to each topic which is really impressive. Great video and great debaters overall!

@msdd7610

Жыл бұрын

are there any specific issues?

@ASLUHLUHCE

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that he isn't well-read in much else, given that he isn't aware of the many claims in the Quran that are now known to be false. For instance, take the story of Noah's ark. When millions of animals got off the ark at Mount Judi, it would not have been possible for them to migrate back to their respective areas of the globe in only a few thousand years (and without leaving any colonies en route). It isn't possible for one person to have collected millions of different species of animals from every forest, desert, tundra, and grassland on the planet, whilst keeping all these animals together and fed, before them all onto a single boat. This is notwithstanding the fact that there's no geologic evidence of a global flood. Remember, a message from an all-knowing being should not contain any errors. Even if one exists, then the claims of divine authorship aren’t true.

@ASLUHLUHCE

Жыл бұрын

But for the sake of argument, also take a look at the way the Quran talks about the 'creation' of the Earth and universe [41:9-12]. The timescales are completely wrong (they're said to have been formed in only thousands of years), and the Earth is even claimed to have existed before the rest of the universe. Or consider the human genesis story of Adam and Eve, which biology disproves. Or consider the fanciful claim that Muhammed split the moon in half. There’s no evidence of this ever happening, nor any record from anywhere else on the planet of this ever happening.

@ASLUHLUHCE

Жыл бұрын

Also, though less damning than the factual errors, another cause for serious doubt is how the Quran doesn’t mention anything about the world that wasn’t already known (or thought to be true) by 7th-century Arabs. There’s no notion of other planets, stars, or galaxies when speaking about the universe. No notion of fertilisation between the sperm and an egg when speaking about embryology. No notion of the evolutionary process when speaking about the ‘creation’ of plants and non-human animals. No notion of past human species when speaking about human origins. Allah’s apparent ignorance in the Quran happens to apply to every facet of knowledge that wouldn’t have been known by Muhammed. There’s not even any mention of animals or plants that Muhammed would not have known about. It’s almost as if the Quran was written by 7th-century Arabs.

@waleedjamil9168

Жыл бұрын

@@ASLUHLUHCE I ain’t reading allat

I really felt for the Muslim lesbian. Being a lesbian myself and being raised in a religious background can be so difficult. I don’t understand why the only mention of sexuality can’t be to make sure it’s consensual and loving. Rather I could be a loyal and morally responsible human being and a leader. But because of these feelings I can’t help but to feel. I think of myself horribly and become depressed. I just refuse to believe I was created just to hate my inner most thoughts daily.

@zizozizo1516

10 ай бұрын

Okie

@puppycatsbee

10 ай бұрын

as a fellow queer muslim, i see u michelle 🫂🫂

@michellem86

10 ай бұрын

@@hiddenleaf2 I don’t know about her being a snake. I do think that she was not presenting her self in the best way. But I did agree with a lot of what she said.

@angelinemarsland

9 ай бұрын

I feel you Michelle! I am not a Muslim but connected to the Sufi community in my area. Sufism is another branch of Islam that gets a lot of hate for being kind of its own thing. So hearing this rigid closed perspective on the rights of homosexual people being espoused as moral doctrine is hard to hear.

@ondanbundan7696

8 ай бұрын

no girl you werent just created to hate your thoughts, like he explained in the video being gay isnt a sin but acting on it is. You were born gay because thats your test. You dont need to feel depressed idk about your religion but in İslam we arent responsible for our thoughts but we are responsible for our actions and the intent behind it.

"Is it going to come incest in the end" I'm from Bradford, UK, and there's a horrendous first cousin marriage issue with the huge Muslim population who live here

@nasihahihi

2 ай бұрын

That’s culture, not religion. There’s a difference.

@osiand9328

2 ай бұрын

​@@nasihahihiIslam allows cousin marriages though

@nasihahihi

2 ай бұрын

@@osiand9328 yeah it does, problem?

@nasihahihi

2 ай бұрын

@@osiand9328 so does the uk, get over it.

I'm a Christian (studying theology at uni) and I truly loved this. It was so enriching. I found myself agreeing with so many points and angles of tackling or addressing the various topics. Well done, guys. (Jad deserves a handshake.)

@patriciakirui4921

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@BrainDead235

Жыл бұрын

_J_-E_-W_-S-_ have Christian’s and Muslims believing they aren’t remotely the same. We align 90% on things. Our nations need to finally come together and stop letting powerful groups brainwash us into hate.

@korexoxo

Жыл бұрын

@Instagram The liberal side did that as well, maybe watch the video again it seems like you only listened to the side you agreed with.

@aaliyah3037

Жыл бұрын

@@korexoxo Liberal side sounded purely emotional.

@jord1214

Жыл бұрын

@Instagram People tend to be blinded by their own opinions.

I find it strange that some people like to hyper focus on one of two lines of religious texts while ignoring entire passages. For example, the way conservative Christians will hyper focus on homosexuality being a sin and will continually quote that one line in the bible but then completely ignore the fact that it also says eating meat and dairy together is a sin, mixing fabrics is a sin, touching the skin of a pig is a sin. Like why are you not outside McDonalds protesting against cheeseburgers.

@Polkadot-ll8gz

Жыл бұрын

However, I think Muslims definitely in this day are more strict with their religion compared to Christians. We also have sins which are major compared to those which are minor sins.

@elliell

Жыл бұрын

you are not talking about Christian laws there, but about Jewish. please do your research before commenting on something like this :)

@8oo8y

Жыл бұрын

@@elliell it s not like Christian laws are better lolll💀

@bw2532

Жыл бұрын

@@elliellthey are referring to Christian’s that cite the same book in the Bible forbidding homosexuality. Their point is Christians have issues with context and hyper fixation on the issues of others instead of themselves. Too many sinners throwing the first stones when they have all lied, coveted, or one of the 8 other commandments.

@rosettekalombo3072

Жыл бұрын

I was find it strange on a video about Muslims you bring in Christian instead of saying Muslims are close minded inorder not sound like a bigiot

Proud of you Nathalie ♥️ From one queer Muslim to another.

@khadim3284

2 ай бұрын

استغفرالله

@kathleencove

2 ай бұрын

@@khadim3284 ​​⁠ ​​⁠ Astigfirullah yourself for being a backbiter, and, mind your own deen. Go read the story of Lot and Sodom carefully, she’s one hundred percent correct that it’s a story about rape, not consensual same sex relationships. Lot wasn’t even assaulted by men, but by his own daughters, and then Sodom as a city committed widespread assault against both men and women. The meaning of the story is very clear to anyone who isn’t deliberately twisting it to oppress gay people.

love the fact that mahmoud kept his gaze on the ground the entire time

@justliving2601

2 ай бұрын

are we watching the same video? lmao because he did not especially towards the end of the

@Muslimah_4_Life

2 ай бұрын

@@justliving2601Might’ve been only when he was talking to women

Nathalie seems to interpret the Quran into what align with her beleifs as a modern person.

@coach.hybrid

Жыл бұрын

And her mentioning Al Baqarah in order to support her wild misinterpretations is just the cherry on top. She couldn't even pronounce alhamdulillah properly bruh 🤣

@emilyzitioun3789

Жыл бұрын

She is gay that's why

@desperate6406

Жыл бұрын

im not a muslim, but doesn't everyone interpret any kind of holy text to fit their narrative? im asking respectfully btw, and i would also like to point out that it would be a little odd to believe in something that condemns your existence

@coach.hybrid

Жыл бұрын

@@desperate6406 islam doesn't condemn anyones existence but rather their actions.

@Su0ived

Жыл бұрын

aren’t you interpreting it to yours?

As I Muslim, I would've loved to be in this conversation. Everyone seems respectful and sharing what they follow which I think is beautiful.

@shomari25

Жыл бұрын

Shame in reality without cameras it won’t be like this

@BeNGALi4LFE

Жыл бұрын

me too. how does jubilee find these people.

@hishamalaker491

Жыл бұрын

@@shomari25 Actually it would if Muslim cities werent Bombarded and destroyed by foreign forces.

@markjapan4062

Жыл бұрын

THE PROPHETS NEVER SPOKE THAT WAY,,,,,,, AND EVERY PROPHET SAID I AM MOHAMMED NEVER SAID IT..

@hana-ov1ju

Жыл бұрын

@@hishamalaker491 I don’t think the women would be invited to speak

I love it how one person said you can’t just follow a religion blindly yet that’s the definition of being a Muslim lmao

@ayeshaozair6059

2 ай бұрын

Following the religion blindly is literally the opposite of what is taught in Islam. You don’t even know the basics of Islam and here you are provide the “literal” definition 🤡

@MadMan_MFWIC

2 ай бұрын

@@ayeshaozair6059 😆

@bjkl9936

Ай бұрын

It’s funny to me when ppl comment on something they have no knowledge of lol

"This is the natural way of humans." No, being gay is not unnatural. Hundreds of species show bisexuality, and homosexuality traces back far.

@Kartlos1

7 ай бұрын

Wow, animals do it too??? Nobody cares. They can't reproduce.

as a muslim the conservative ones made me scare. they weirdly behaved

@Yaseen_922

7 ай бұрын

They provided evidence from the source and that makes you scared? Do not be of the people of desires and seek beneficial knowledge

@aleynailhan1

7 ай бұрын

they’re hateful 🐑

@wft15

6 ай бұрын

@@Yaseen_922they provided evidence from a book in the fiction section 💀 that’s not evidence

@Yaseen_922

6 ай бұрын

@@wft15 You don't believe in it so it wouldn't be classed as evidence. But the commenter is Muslim.

@wft15

6 ай бұрын

@@Yaseen_922 just because you personally believe in something it’s doesn’t make it true - 5 years olds believe in unicorns, are they real? No

You can't pick and choose what you deem as appropriate because of your preference.

@Nope991

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@ambermurray2862

Жыл бұрын

Agree

@AbdullahAmar

Жыл бұрын

So slavery is appropriate ?

@Nope991

Жыл бұрын

@@AbdullahAmar At the time of Prophet Muhammad the slaves were treated like humans not like slaves. It's different than the slavery you know of.

@yushabinnun8354

Жыл бұрын

@@AbdullahAmar Yes, Islamic slavery is appropriate

The way jad pulled up w so many ayats to back his points also. U got to love it 😂😂 subhanallah.

@udhav423

Жыл бұрын

She’s sticking to verses without his own conscience you mean? That’s called being in a cult. Every thing & every scripture has various interpretations. & that’s what makes someone intellectual about how they interpret it. The way that Gay muslim woman expressed her way of interpreting the verses & at the same time being in the boundaries of islam was more intelligent than just taking those verses for what they are without using your own conscience. That’s what distinguishes a religion from a cult. & majority of muslims are in a cult. Same goes for christians

@professionalstreetnigga9240

Жыл бұрын

@@udhav423 muslims believe the Quran isnt wrong so why would anyone want to use their conscience and go against it? shes using her conscience to make herself feel accepted into the fold of islam when its extremely clear in the Quran. if youre trying to use your "conscience" to make "interpretations" that are against the Quran, go ahead and do it but, however it doesnt mean your interpretation is correct

@cloroxbleach6363

Жыл бұрын

@@udhav423 she gave her personal opinion as if she’s studies the deen for longer than the scholars, gave unreliable sources and didn’t even link it back to the quran. she didn’t state fact, but a personal belief

@ameen7538

Жыл бұрын

@@udhav423 there's always a Hindu coming to say some nonsense. What that girl said basically makes her a disbeliever, the others didn't want to upset her so they didn't say anything. She is basically saying fornication, which is a major sin, is permissible, and that would make her a disbeliever. Sex between anyone other than husband and wife is fornication.

@khalidmuhammad1151

Жыл бұрын

@@udhav423 interpreting what verses? She literally knew no verses in Arabic, was paraphrasing verses and honestly had no idea what she was talking about

Why is any question of " why" answered as "because the Quran says so" and not on the if it is logical or not

@lujaain645

6 ай бұрын

Because they follow the quran maybe and whatever is said in the quran goes so there doesn't have to be further explanation

@camilascatonebedin3002

4 күн бұрын

That's how a lot of religions work. That's honestly a huge thing that leads me away from religion: following blindly.

I’m a Shia Muslim and It's a pleasure to have witnessed these discussions on platforms like these, where individuals from all over the globe can learn about different religions. Starting with nathalie, I got the impression that she needed guidance because she is poorly guided about Islam. When it comes to Mahmoud and Jad, I completely agree with them. The way they explained and kept their focus on the point was impressive, ensuring that they didn't let any wrong concepts go unnoticed. Bravo 👏🏻

@truthtriumphs885

8 ай бұрын

Don't be like Shia Sunni... Be a Muslim don't sect

@razee7869

8 ай бұрын

Not to be rude but why do you say shia muslim instead of Muslim?? You are a Muslim first and foremost.

@user-su8xw6kx9z

5 ай бұрын

“Those who divide in to sects are not from among us”

@sneakymoestuintyethekiller5220

4 ай бұрын

The Quran literally says don't divide into sects there's no this there's no that there's just Muslim

@Klowdie000

4 ай бұрын

Anyone who believes saying "Ya Ali madad" is permissible, is NOT Muslim. -Ex Twelver Shia