Nice review, but a word of critique. When comparing several mice simultaneously, please use less pronouns like 'it', 'this one', 'that one' and just use names, don't be afraid of tautology. There were occasions where I couldn't see the gesture, that pointed to the mouse in topic or just didn't understand out of context.

@DygmaLab

7 ай бұрын

You're totally right. Note taken for future videos 😊

@MrRedstonefreedom

5 ай бұрын

Ha, tautology. That's not the right word, I guess Anaphora-based redundancy would probably be the right one, but yea this is a very good tip. Anaphora is only good in circumstances where you deal with "it's obvious which thing I'm talking about", ie when you're only handling one thing. In a 38 minute comparison video... referential clarity is certainly NOT a given.

@Udrys999

5 ай бұрын

@@MrRedstonefreedom Yeah, I thought there should be a more accurate word, but didn't know about it. Guessed tautology would be close enough to understand the point.

@MrRedstonefreedom

5 ай бұрын

np homie@@Udrys999

One thing I really like about this video is it continues to demonstrate how ergonomics are such a personal thing. I have the Delux RGB vertical mouse they showed but didn't really like. I absolutely love it and I use it without the palm rest. I have one of those super huge gaming mouse pads. I tend to do a combination of claw grip and arm move with that mouse and it works great set at 1200dpi. I also agree with the comment about the need to look out for the issue of a vertical mouse putting too much pressure on the corner wrist bone. While I love the vertical mouse, it did take some getting used to and teaching myself to rest most of the length of the side of my hand on the mouse pad next to the vertical mouse to avoid the corner wrist bone issue.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Nice to hear it worked for you! Thank you for sharing your experience. Once we release ours, we want to replace that one you currently have 😏

@zephyr2002

10 ай бұрын

I love mine too. So much more comfortable than a standard gaming mouse, and great price, too. I use the palm rest but still competitive at FPS. It just takes practice. Wish there were more vertical gaming mice available.

@kareembarca

8 ай бұрын

Yes it's the best

I have the logitech lift and love it. Nice that they've also produced a left-handed version too.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they feel great. Just have to make sure your hand is not too big for it, though 🤔

@artebus

Жыл бұрын

The video even shows a picture of the lefty Lift @ 252s :) (I am one of the rare folks who uses a mouse left handed, and am a fan of the Lift)

@CosmeBenito

11 ай бұрын

@@DygmaLab What would you consider to be "too big", though?

@klaymoon1

10 ай бұрын

I have it for both left and right hands. A dual yielded here. :)

@CopyCodePasta

9 ай бұрын

​@@CosmeBenito The Mouse is designed for people with hands < 19cm or 7.5 inches

Thank you! And great background music ☺️

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting! We are glad you liked it ❤️

I have small hands and I have the MX vertical from Logitech. I've been using that mouse for the last three years and it's pretty comfortable, you don't have to have large hands to be able to use it. The vertical mouse and split keyboard is what stopped my arm and hand from hurting.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Good to know, thank you for sharing this! ❤️

@aristsevrenis9402

8 ай бұрын

same here@@DygmaLab

Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I decided on the J-Tech Digital V638. It arrived today and I instantly adapted to it. No learning curve!!

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching and for the positive comment 😊 Great to hear you found one that works for you so soon!

I have been using vertical mice for about 3 years now and while the Logitech Vertical made the pain in my arms a lot worse, I have found relief in the Evoluent D/4. It is true that the Evoluent are a bit flimsy and the design very retro they are extremely comfortable to use!

@tankberry9820

Жыл бұрын

Dygma Raise + Evoluent D/4 + Ergotherapy = Being able to work/game again without pain ❤

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Cool! Glad to hear you found your comfortable mix 🥰 Once we release our mouse, the idea is to replace that Evoluent of yours 😏

@tankberry9820

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab can't wait!!

@devonanderson9422

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab same setup... also can't wait 🙂

@BobBilly506

Ай бұрын

Whats the difference between the Evoluent D and Evoluent 4? even the C. They dont talk about them

Lol that ending. Great video like always very informative 😊

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😁 We always want to make the videos informative but also fun.

You guys are awesome. Just came across your channel and I love your passion :) keep it up and great vid!!

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, we're glad you liked it! ❤️

Thanks for this video! Kinda leaning on getting a vertical mouse for work.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Nice, which one are you considering getting? 🤔

Great video, thank you! I had the Anker it was too big for me, and the scroller is awful. Going to try the lift after this video!

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, it should be much better in build quality and size 🤔

I have the Evoluent, I started with medium and thought it felt a bit too small for my hand. So i swapped for a large... now it's too big! I feel like goldilocks I'm really excited to figure out why there's so many vertical mice lying around in the Dygma office... :D

@grey7987

Жыл бұрын

Some fool left the cages open, and now the mice are running free, breeding like rabbits.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

They started appearing out of nowhere... 🐭 We actually wanted to make this video for all of you and it is also part of a resear... Oh, I can't say that yet? Sorry... 🤐

@JjHd-hv5de

10 ай бұрын

Which one?

@Zivhayr

10 ай бұрын

@@JjHd-hv5de 4

@jamespalsson746

7 ай бұрын

I'd get a Dygma Vertical Ergo in a heartbeat

I've been using the big wired DELUX for a couple years and I love it. It's super comfortable even in my medium size hands, I am just as competitive at FPS, and it works fine at low sensitivities too. It's not as silly as they make it look in this video. Best of all, no wrist pain.

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

We're happy that you like it. Luis is a bit over the top sometimes. He does the same with our own products, the smallest of things can be a dealbreaker for him 😅

@zephyr2002

8 ай бұрын

@@DygmaLab Thanks for the review though. Vertical mice are often overlooked but for any gamer with carpal tunnel they're a lifesaver.

@ericscal

6 ай бұрын

Same here. I have the J-TECH version with slightly different buttons. It's by far the most comfortable vertical I've tried but it is cheap. I really wish someone would make a higher quality one in the same style so I don't have to buy a new one every year.

This was very helpful, thanks a bunch !

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

No problem at all, thank you for watching! 🙋

This is a good watch! Though I feel like the moral of the story here is that there isn't really any "outstanding" ergonomic mice on the market. Each and every one of these have a compromise somewhere along the way, whether it be in the features, form, or quality. Then on top of that, the quality-to-cost ratio is generally just not very good, where it feels like you're paying a premium just for the shape while the rest of the mouse features are second-rate. There is one mouse in particular I've had a keen interest in called the "Penguin Mouse" that I had the opportunity to test some time back. It takes a pretty unique take on the ergonomic mouse by changing the grip to what is essentially a gun grip! The primary mouse buttons are situated like gun triggers with the middle scroll wheel nested between them and there's a wide palm rest for the hand to rest on. It basically takes the more "joystick" like mouse design from the few you've tested in this video, but takes the concept a full step further. Conceptually it's a super interesting mouse and I found it exceptionally comfortable to hold and use but like many options on this list, you pay a premium for the shape alone while everything else like the sensor, mouse buttons, and scroll wheel are just really subpar. But the _concept_ of the mouse I personally feel is very much worth exploring for the potential! If you're interested in looking at it yourself, here's a video about it! If you end up trying it out, I'd be curious what your thoughts are on it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYmMuMRrZa2_aKg.html Thanks again for this video! Just like this channel in general, this is incredibly helpful in filling in an otherwise pretty empty knowledge base.

@babybloc

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been using a Penguin mouse lately, and yeah, the build quality and features aren’t great But the form is interesting. For a while I was holding it almost like a gear shift. It’s stable enough to use that way with your hand on top of the “joystick”. Not how it’s intended, but the buttons stretch reachable so it worked. And that put my hand right at the height to go over to the tented Raise. Keeping my elbow straight. Interesting possibilities

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this! It's like you said, the current market doesn't have an obvious model that we would recommend to everyone because it really depends on what you want 😢 Do you want something that looks good? Wireless? Comfortable and silent clicks? None of them has all of this. The idea is that we can fill that gap with our mystery device, a perfect solution for all those "problems" 😏 I've heard before about the Penguin but haven't tried that. I'll forward to the team to check if we can grab one to check.

I think the Anker AK-UBA (the concave one at 25:18) is popular because the irregular shape means it's easier to use in a claw grip. I hold my mouse with my fingertips and perform most of the motion with my fingers, a little bit with my wrist, and virtually none with my elbow or shoulder. I tried a wireless version of the Delux M618 Plus (19:26) and, as you pointed out, it leans hard into palming the mouse and using your entire arm to move it. I hated it and quickly returned it. The Anker's concave design, on the other hand, looks like it would be more claw-grip friendly, as my palm wouldn't be blocking it and I'd be able to rely on my fingers to steer it. Also, do you guys have any plans to expand into ergonomic mouse territory? I'm interested in getting a vertical mouse, but I'm not willing to drop my Logitech G604 because I love the customizable thumb buttons (and onboard memory) and no vertical mouse has those features. Seems like an untapped market if you ask me.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, we want to join the party! We are currently working on a mystery device that will fight with the current available vertical mouse in the market 😏

@josephhenderson2538

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab ...I'm intrigued. But like I said, if it doesn't have the programmable thumb buttons (or a suitable replacement), I'm probably not going to buy it.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

I think you will be pleased 🤐

@josephhenderson2538

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab You had my curiosity. Now you have my attention.

Just seeing this now after getting a pale grey Logitech Lift and you guys nailed it on the head. This is the best vertical (or even horizontal mouse) I've had.

@DygmaLab

11 ай бұрын

Nice! I have a Lift too and even though my hands are "too big" according to the it works just fine. Super comfortable and definitely one of the best when we consider build quality and materials used 😻

@theonlyD

Ай бұрын

I can tell you never had a good horizontal mouse. Lift build quality and components are average at best.

I have a medium sized hand (based on Logitech sizing guide) and a palm grip. I've been using the Anker vertical mouse for a couple of years now. It's been okay. Battery life is pretty terrible. I have to replace the 2AA batteries every few months. And the scroll wheel is starting to wear out I suppose because it's very glitchy now, especially if you just want "one click" in either direction. It'll scroll down one then scroll back up quite frequently. Precise scrolling just isn't possible. I'm eyeing the Logitech Lift now. I didn't even know it existed until today and the price point of the MX Vertical kept me away from that in the past.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, the Lift is a bit cheaper than the MX Vertical and it should suit your medium hands just fine. We are also working on a solution ourselves but it's not coming in the near future unfortunately 🤐

So much effort and quality in this video! Thank you guys! I was looking for some reviews on different ergonomic mice. Still not sure why these aren't the default, especially after getting carpal tunnel after years of use the "regular ones"... also loved the subtle Zelda music in the background

@DygmaLab

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great review, i laughed and got the informations i was looking for. Thanks !

@DygmaLab

5 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful and entertaining 🥰

I have been using Evoluent mouses for 10+ years. Love them. I have tried many over the years and it's the only thus far that prevent pain in my wrist.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Nice! Thank you for sharing this information! 🙇

@thekillingspoon

11 ай бұрын

I did that with the Contour Mouse many years ago (seriously like 2007). Medium seemed too small; traded it for Large, which was too big (and too big was worse).

@jeffk412

10 ай бұрын

me too!

Love the studio background :) Can I ask where you bought that/product info? Would love that for our office...

@DygmaLab

7 ай бұрын

Yeah they're really nice! Those are 3D panels from Amazon www.amazon.es/Paneles-paneles-unidades-aspecto-diamante/dp/B0C2TYYGLZ/ref=s[…]es+3d,aps,96&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

O.O is Dygma labs considering making a vertical mouse? I haven't converted to vertical mice because I use the horizontal scroll wheel on my MX Master 3 too often, but it would be very interesting to watch how you might design one... But first I need to buy a Defy!

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Oh, yeah! We are designing a mystery device to soothe this need for a pointing device that's ergonomic and awesome 🤐

This is the first video of yours that I have seen, and you won me over from the start with the great fairy background music placed oh so perfectly there.

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

Glad to see you enjoyed it, hope it helped 😊 Let us know if you have further questions!

Really good and informative video. I think they 2 host conversational style is great; it has a natural and welcoming feel that I prefer over the usual style of one person talking at the camera. Noticing about halfway through that the subtle BGM is a FF7 remix was also a nice touch. Didn't notice the music at first, but then said "Heeeeeey! I know that!" Keep up the good work, first video I've seen from this channel but it's an instant subscribe for me!

@DygmaLab

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the comment! From time to time we also pop some Zelda tunes and so on... gotta love the old games soundtracks 😻

@jim232777

8 ай бұрын

LOL, actually, the music grated on my nerves. I do appreciate the in depth comparison, though.

Your review is really good and make sense. I am Having a right index finger pain. And small hands (17cm from longest finger to first crease of wrist). What would you recommend for me?

@DygmaLab

11 ай бұрын

For small hands the Logitech Lift has one of the best performance, shape and materials ❤️

I am a user of Evoluent. Besides the shape, I find having 3 fully customable finger buttons to be a deal breaker. It makes so much more sense to have a dedicated button for double clicking - otherwise the index finger is disproportionately overloaded, doing all the clicks and double clicks

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

That's a nice point, thank you for sharing it with us. What about the quality of the materials, do you agree that they are not super good ones? 🤔

@MrTheMixa

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab I would not complain about the materials. The mouse has worked for 3 years / 60 hours per week in office applications and still looks like new. Nothing is wobbly or producing extra noise when squeezing either. Design-wise, I would appreciate softer switches, but that is a personal preference I believe. What I do not like is that I cannot use the mouse properly, when the hand is relaxed - the pinky keeps rubbing against the table. To prevent that I would prefer a much larger wing. I had to craft my own attachment out of cardboard to compensate for a small wing

@JjHd-hv5de

10 ай бұрын

Which one???

@stevesculptor1

6 ай бұрын

A 'deal breaker' means you don't like it 🤨

Amazing review, very well explained ! Thanks !

@DygmaLab

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad it was helpful!

Very interested to see what mouse you guys come up with. Looking forward to getting my Defy as well!!

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We can't wait to show what we are working on 😉

Excellent review! And of course the Logitech Lift also comes in Pink too ;) (and white..)

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

True, we forgot to mention that! 😆

Thank you very much for your presentation, it helped a lot and my new mouse solved my shoulder pain completly.

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

Thank to you for your words! Really glad to hear you've improved, now keep up the halthy habits and don't let the pain come back! 💪

These videos are great, can't believe I haven't heard about you guys before

@DygmaLab

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! It's always awesome to have new Dygmates 🙌

I hope this is a R&D for a Dygma Gaming Vertical Ergo mouse. I agree with all the points. For people with actual pains, the Evoluent wins due to the shape even with bad clicks and sensors. I want to throw in two more devices: Posturite Penguin mouse and the DXT Mouse 3 Please Dygma, if you're in the process of designing an ergo mouse, make it ambidextrous. The DXT Mouse 3 or Evoluent would be my choices here but I've never tried the Logitech MX Vertical.

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

Both the Penguin and the DXT 3 are interesting. We take note in case we are making a second part. If I had to compare them head to head, I'd go for the Penguin. Due to the DXT's thin body, there's more chance you end up resting the wrist and forearm in the desk, fingertip the mouse and make more wrist tilts. Still, we'd need to actually test them with several users to confirm it, but the Penguin seems to have a more stable grip. As for the mouse, we can't confirm or dismiss, but if there's some news, you'll hear from us first 😉

@views8962

10 ай бұрын

@@DygmaLab Cool. It's a space that's in need of innovation and disruption. We need a mouse that's ergonomic, can game, can be fixed (or upgraded sensor), can be both wired and wireless. Bonus points for ambidexterity.

Wow so insightful! I started using these mouses when I developed tennis elbow, still fighting it. The use was for work. At first I tried out at cheap plastic one similar to the CSL (for some reason the concave shape of the palm was comfortable in my hand and I tend to palm grip lol). Since it was more comfortable and hurt less than using a normal mouse, I switched to a better one: the Perixx PERMICE 519 (hope you can review any of their mouses!). This one was also comfortable and it had a rubbery feel so I liked it more. Eventually I wanted to try a more vertical one to see if he would help with the pain more and I tried the Evoluent D for small hands (mine are 16cm for reference) and it did help, so I decided to ignore the plastic-y feel, that it was heavier and so big to the point that sometimes I would bump it when I moved my hand to use the keyboard. Also it was a little harder to be precise, but since I didn't need to be specially precise so I was fine. On the long run though, I think the size and the weight got to me and my shoulder started to hurt after a few months, though it could also just be my pre-existing pain accumulating Idk. Now I just find the Evoluent too bulky and heavy, but giving up that extra verticalness is hard, so I switch between it and the Perixx. My ideal mouse would be a mix of the two (rubbery feel and weight of the Perixx and the verticalness of the Evoluent). I was gonna try the Lift but the shape didn't appeal to me, but if you have any recommendations I would be willing to try them.

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

Hi, BeyondMistery! Thanks for the praises and for sharing the insightful story 😊 I know this might be a bit daring, but, given you have the problem in the elbow and shoulder, have you considered using a trackball mouse? They will keep both joints still, and there are models, like th Ergo M575 that also prevent total pronation, it's not verical, not gonna lie, but it's not completely flat. They are precise enough for work, I'm using one at the moment 😅 and might be worth a try. It's comfortable for small hands, mines are 16.5cm, for reference. If you don't want to spend that much money but still want to test the shape, Perixx has a similar models, the Perimice 520, 717 and 517 Either way and back to the topic, the Lift might be a good option, it has a grippier texture and is lighter than the Evoluent, and is more vertical than the Perixx. The other plus is a good sensor and Logitech's connectivity, which tends to be spot on. The drawback is that is not as vertical as the Evoluent. In the end is a matter of personal preference and budget. Hope it somewhat helps!

@JjHd-hv5de

10 ай бұрын

Are you still using the same mouses or have you tried any new, any new mains?

@BeyondMistery

9 ай бұрын

​@@DygmaLab Thank you so much for the detailed info! I was thinking of trying the M575 but I'm scared my thumb might get sore by overuse since it's already tired from using the phone 😅 I should take more breaks. I heard the M575 has good DPI though, so it might be worth a try. I'll check those Perixx models too, thank you so much for the recommendations!

@BeyondMistery

9 ай бұрын

​@@JjHd-hv5deHaven't tried anything new yet, I'm giving it a thought. Are you looking for something more comfortable and/or having any pain?

I recently purchased the lift logitech (less noisy) after using the anker and I didn’t like it. I think it fits better to claw grip more than palm grip. They mentioned that the shape of the anker is not logic but for me it’s the most confortable, I hold the mouse as usual but I use my thumb to grip the sharpy edge on the up part and it works wonders. It’s only issue is the clicking noise, is annoying 🙃

@DygmaLab

11 ай бұрын

Hey Joss, thank you for sharing your experience with us! If it works for you, then that's the best mouse for you, for sure ❤️ I guess if you really like the shape but don't like the clicks you could easily replace them if you know your way around soldering. Shouldn't be super hard.

Woo! Hopefully that "No Particular Reason" is something I've been asking for since I got my Raise back when it was first announced. I can only imagine how good an ergo mouse from Dygma can be. That said, I bought a cheap Anker awhile ago, it's okay, but ultimately there just wasn't enough useful features like my gaming mouse. So if you are working on a new future product I'd love to have several buttons in the groove that the thumb rests in for macros and other nice features for gaming and work. I know the Raise and Defy have so many wonderful key combos that make life easier, but having some built into the mouse would be incredible as well. Thanks for reading. Can't wait for the Defy to finally be in my hands. Good luck with everything! EDIT: Also wanted to add that your attention to detail and analysis of what's wrong with current products is wonderful.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Dane! You know us, we want to make something excellent and that's going to impact the whole market, that's why we're taking extra care to make it right 💪

I have been using the Evoluent VerticalMouse 4 for years as a work mouse (I won't game on a vertical mouse). I have just bought the Logitech MX Vertical as I wanted to go wireless. I debated on going with the Lift b/c it's smaller and less expensive, but the dealbreaker was the Lift requires a AAA battery while the Vertical has a rechargeable battery. I'll take the latter any day. If I feel the Vertical is too big for me, then I may return and swap. Having said, that, wince I've been using the Evoluent, which is fairly big, for years. I hopefully won't have an issue.

@DygmaLab

6 ай бұрын

Hope the Vertical works out for you! 🐭

I have a small/medium hand and I´m using a logitel lift for a few days now. But I have from first day that same unconfortable feeling in that bone of my hand, that you had with the CLS E-VE mouse !? In my work there is a evoluent vertikal 4 wich feels much more confortable.

can we get a video on trackballs? I know that they're a niche category of mice - but are definitely an ergonomic option (especially the Logitech MX Ergo Plus)

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

That would be awesome, I passed the idea to the team already 😊

Cool, so informational!

@DygmaLab

9 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! 😊

I use my mouse left-handed, and it's nice when a company provides that option. I have my old trackball mouse that's ambi at work because I use my mouse more frequently there. At home, I just kind of make do with whatever.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, we would love to do that, but we would have to deal with minimum order quantity and all that 😢

Got an MX vertical for the ergonomics (didn't realise there were so many other options) and while I truly enjoy it, the greatest feature I've found is the software it comes with "logi+ options". Working on mac and PC at same time for work, using the software, you can hover on the edge of the screen and the mouse will transfer to the other OS computer. (You won't have to click the preset button to switch between PC's anymore, thus saving precious tie if you are wanting to be efficient at work. Thats not all, this phenomenal software also allows you to copy and paste between OS (before I had to use a local server, or thumb drive to transfer contents). Phenomenal time saving technology for me, with added bonus of ergonomics

@DygmaLab

6 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for the detailed review, and very happy to hear it has been helping you!

I have an iclever oem ergo mouse. It fits in my hands perfectly. The left and right clicks are silent and overall is perfect for me. Can't find anything else that suits me more.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Perfect! If it works for you, then it is awesome! Do you like the side buttons too? 🤔

I've been using the Zelotes C-18 for about 3 years now. In terms of shape it's pretty comfortable. No problem with the clicks, the DPI is good. I use it for gaming and don't have any problems with the sensor. My main gripe is that I've had 2 of these mice and the scroll wheel has broken on both fairly quickly. It will still scroll sometimes but not at a consistent rate, sometimes scrolling up instead of down. I'm not going to buy another one unless they fix that issue, switching to the Logitech Lift tomorrow.

@DygmaLab

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience! 😍

Now that mouse components have been miniaturized, I think there might be a better solution than a vertical mouse: A pen-mouse which remains standing in place when you release it. I hacked together a prototype last week, and so far it's the most natural and ergonomic input device I've ever used.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Sounds promising! Something like a Wacom drawing pen or something like that? 🤔

@hadriscus

Жыл бұрын

Show us !

@zyriab5797

10 ай бұрын

You need to share that with us! :D

@xXRedErrorXx

8 ай бұрын

Bro share it

@dyrion

6 ай бұрын

bro didn't share it 😔

Awesome hearing someone who knows what they are talking about. Loved to her the designer / engineer point of view

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! We will have more videos with Luis in the future 🥰

I use the Contour Unimouse. It allows you to adjust the angle of the mouse as well as the integrated thumb rest. :-)

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

Good to hear you've found your significant mouse 😊 Adjustability is a great feature for mice, they should be able to conform to the hand of the user, and not the other way round. Thanks for the input!

I have a Delux M618BU for like 5 years, the shape is very similar to the Zelotes T30, except the buttons are above and the other bellow the thumb, I use palm grip, and I probably have a small/medium hand? I find it extremely comfortable, i was having a lot of wrist pain before after lot of hours gaming. For me it was like a miracle, just the glossy material that pains me because i sweat a lot, since i live in a hot country. So i'm looking for mouses with the same shape and quality, but with diferent material.

@DygmaLab

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for this insight! I'm happy to hear you found something for your wrist pain 🙏

I just bought Evoluent D but it sucks at the sensor. I work in CAD design, Revit. Do you have any suggestions for large hands like me?

@DygmaLab

11 ай бұрын

If the sensor is important, I'd go with the MX vertical. It's not as comfy as the Evoluent shape, but more than good enough for big hands.

Great review, congrats. I'm from Brazil and I've had a MX vertical for 6 years. I opened it for the first time this week, the left button was working badly. I was surprised by the size of the battery, I expected it to be bigger because it is excellent, the battery lasts around 3 to 4 months in my usage. I work with electrical engineer, with CAD design software, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. The buttons are excellent for adjusting shortcuts, the top one I use as “Enter”, the side ones as “esc” and “delete” for more agility. As said in the video, it fits very well in my hands, which are large, but I also recommend it for those with smaller hands, the other Logitech model has no comparison, the MX vertical has a durable and well-adherent rubber pad, its body is very resistant and it is a battery and not a battery. I watched the video looking for another option but probably when it can't hold up anymore, I'll buy another one.

@DygmaLab

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the MX Vertical! 💪

Unfortunately I couldn't find a wireless version of the Zelotes C-18. I actually like the idea of a joystick on top with customizable input for gaming, but wired-only is a dealbreaker for me. I've been claw-gripping the Logitech MX Vertical as my daily work/gaming mouse for about 9 months and agree with their assessments - I have larger hands and don't have a problem with the grip, but having to slide my thumb up to use the side buttons is a little irritating because it usually causes the mouse to slide slightly forward and right. I also had the same ulnar pain Luis mentioned, which was alleviated by adding a wrist cushion to my setup. Hopefully someday soon we'll get a high-quality, wireless, gaming-oriented vertical mouse...perhaps from Dygma??

@DygmaLab

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! And yes, the world needs a proper high-quality, wireless, gaming-oriented vertical mouse 😊

Would be interested in a video about the ergonomics of split keyboards in combination with a graphic tablet ! (for which i have found very little info)

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Oh, that's a nice topic! Many of our users have those with their keyboards too! 😉

@MrAmospong

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab ☺️

I've logitech mx vertical, my hand is large and I feel it very comfortable and natural hand position, though it's the second one that I have, the left button switch starts to malfunction with ghost clicks around the year in both, switches could be a lot better for its price, I think it was a great mistake from logitech saving money there. I think I'll give a try to lift model next time, but only one try, not more.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Aw, that's bad to hear, it may be something with the silent switches they've selected... This should also be easily replaced if you know how to use a soldering iron 🤔 They should use better switches though...

This is perfect timing! my Logitech Lyft just started dying, so I am looking for a replacement. Time to see if there is anything better!

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Nice! Did you like the Lyft, by the way? 🤔

@galacticviper4453

Жыл бұрын

@DygmaLab Yeah it was amazing! I got it last June. It was my first venture into the vertical mouse world. I was expecting to need a few weeks to get used to it and wasn't expecting to use it for gaming at all, but about an hour in and I absolutely loved it, and a few days later I was using it for everything, including gaming! Now normal mice feel weird and awkward to use. lol It's so comfortable and natural to use! My only complaint is that it doesn't have any RGB, but that's a very minor gripe. 🙂 I've had multiple people try it for a few minutes because they had never seen anything like it before, and they all agree how comfortable it is. The left mouse button started dying about a week ago, which makes it really hard to do things sometimes, but I think that's because when I was playing games I may have pressed way too hard a few times😅.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

That's awesome! What is the size of your hand from the bottom of your palm up until the highest finger? Maybe you could also chec with Logi if they have warranty to revive that Lift. I've heard they have pretty good warranty standards 😊

@galacticviper4453

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab My hand is about 6in, or 152mm from the bottom of my palm to the tip of my middle finder. I'd say I have a small/medium hand. contacting Logi actually a good idea. It can't hurt, and worst case scenario, I'll just buy another one since it seems I stumbled upon the best one (for now) on my first try. Hopefully another Lyft can last me until a better vertical mouse comes around😉

I love louis' attention to detail! I want him to do other reviews

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, Luis gives that same love to all products Dygma produces so you can always expect good quality and attention to detail ❤️

I have Delux m618 Plus at office after one week of using I took of the palm rest and it works for me. In my case it's realy good and I'm satisfied. Sometimes I'm using Delux m618xsd also without palm rest and it's even little bit more comfortable.

Can we get a video about trackballs too please? Like the Logi Ergo MX?

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

That would be awesome! I'll pass the idea through to the team 😜

heaven on earth this video. i have the delux m618 (best mouse ever) and i was always curious how big are the rest. Thanks. subscribed

@DygmaLab

11 ай бұрын

Nice, thanks for the sub! We want to continue creating fun and engaging content 💪

Love the Zelda Remix background music =) Great review btw!

@Nersius

Жыл бұрын

One day we'll get that Linkle game, one day...

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

That would be awesome, Linkle is great! 🥰

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

That's our nice touch, glad you liked you 😊

1:28 love the portal gun. Ever hear of a vert ergonomic mouse mmorpg mouse (12+ button mouse) ?

@DygmaLab

2 ай бұрын

We should try that one on the next video 💪

@frankenstein3163

2 ай бұрын

@@DygmaLab I was asking as I haven't seen any. Let me know if you have. ty.

If you design a better mouse than the lift... I would probably buy it. Accuracy and stability are key. Also, if you just prevent putting your wrist flat to the desk somehow, it would be a big deal ... so you don't pinch the vains to the desk. You might not have to go completely vertical. ... also try out the ms sculpt. The lift is also no grippy enough... it is sometimes hard to "lift" it (claw grip). I think somekind of 15-20* angle might be enough.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly the buttons we want to press 😜

@b25671

Жыл бұрын

​@@DygmaLab I've got to say... actually after a few days of getting used to ... the lift feels prety comfortable ... I've got fairly big medium hands (almost 19cm). I do notice an increased resitance of sliding because of more friction at the bottom in comparison with the logitech m720. Also I use a simple mousepad to dampen the pressure of the wristknuckle. I sometimes switch with a gel-pad ... but havn't decided yet if this is better or not... because of more contact of the wrist sinking into the gel.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Cool, sounds very good! 🥰

Thanx for a great video. Bought the Lift, but it is useless for a normal sized man hand. Use a Trust version now that is perfect in my hand but way to loud when you are in meetings.

@DygmaLab

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching & your comment 😊 Really? We have some lift users in the office with average to large hands. Very interesting experience, thanks for sharing!

@niolss

8 ай бұрын

@@DygmaLab I guess it depends on if you use the "claw grip" etc. I guess I will have to continue looking for a large vertical mouse with no click noise :)

@DygmaLab

8 ай бұрын

Yup, that has also a great impact, and for larger hands, the lift might be too small. Wish you the bast of lucks 😊

So... is this a new channel?? It is the only explanation I can find on why they don't have more subscribers and viewers. That was a really nice video!!

@DygmaLab

3 ай бұрын

Wow! Thank you 😍🫶

Would definitely be interested to see a wireless mouse as vertical as the evoluent but with the quality and feel of the logitech! (Probably a rubber material and light, silent clicks like the logitech lift to reduce finger effort) Maybe even a mouse where the front curves around more too (Which could help to reduce the size of the mouse and not be as bulky as the evoluent) so that your fingers don't have to be held straight, but instead can curl like they do naturally if you rest your hands on a table (I suppose though that this would increase the need for a few differently sized models to account for varying hand sizes). I also like that the evoluent having a higher place for your thumb to sit helps your hand to sit a lot straighter upwards too (The logitech makes your hand angle over because of how low the thumb rest is)

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

Those are very detailed instructions, and the idea is very entincing, great thinking 👌 Personally, I'm not very fond of the rubber. Thoug it provides ip, it also degrades faster than other materials, and not only from the hands, also oxidizes faster than plastics. But other than that, all your ideas are spot on, especially the grip, thumb position and size notes; that gives you away as someone who has tested a lot of models😉 Thanks a lot for the input, that's a mouse that would grant you a happy Luis' face, for sure!

@Frosty-is2og

10 ай бұрын

​@@DygmaLabThanks! Interesting I didn’t know that about rubber! If I had to come up with a new mouse design, I have to imagine that the best way to start would be to get someone to sit down and rest their arms on a table/desk with their hands vertical and fingers in a relaxed, curled position (as would be the natural resting position). And then from there, mould a shape to fit in the space between their palm, fingers and thumb. This would probably end up looking similar to a joystick or trigger. I think the Posturite penguin was a step in this direction. But it could do with being thinner like the ‘RAGNOK Cyberpunk Shooting Gaming Mouse’, with better build quality and looking less like a gimmick. I appreciate that ideally when designing a product, you want a one size fits all. But I think for a device like a mouse to be truly ergonomic, it would probably be best to have a few different size models, like the evolvent or even a Herman Miller Aeron office chair. This would allow a mouse to be as ergonomic as possible while also properly fitting the wide range of hand sizes out there. And finally once again, light buttons for super easy clicks would be amazing!

@Frosty-is2og

10 ай бұрын

​@@DygmaLab Something like the Trigger Mouse from Hansen Liang would be incredible! Perhaps without the D-Pad, and the scrollwheel either where the D-Pad was but horizontal (so left and right with your thumb to go up and down) or with it just in the standard position between the two left/right click trigger buttons.

@foundouthowtochangeytnameb1997

2 ай бұрын

Man, Evoluent move have so much potential to be the pinnacle of what a vertical mouse should be, but the quality of them for the price they’re sold at makes me second guess whether or not i would recommend them 😞

Concerning gip styles, there is not only the distinction of claw grip and palm grip. Nearly more important is the difference between middle finger on rmb (index does lmb and mouse wheel) or ring finger on rmb (index does lmb, middle finger does mouse wheel). Most mice you can use with claw grip as well as with palm grip. However, there are only a very few mice that can be used with middle finger on rmb and claw grip, since this requires gripping the mouse between pinkie and thumb. However, most mice are designed to be hold with the ringfinger and thumb; they have a correspondingly suitable gripping shape for the ringfinger. This, however, usually lacks for the pinkie. Most vertical mice are also intended for middle finger on rmb use. With ringfinger on rmb, they require unnaturally lifting the hand and bending it upwards.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, there is also differences on finger placement in the mouse that we didn't mention, some people have been trying middle finger on the scroll and ring finger on RMB. Normally, people use the buttons the same way, index in the LMB and responsible for scrolling too, middle finger on the RMB. Of course this can change when moving to a vertical mouse 🤔

@miramallo30

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab I agree, most people seem to use middle finger on rmb (index does scrolling), but I do not quite get why. Three buttons, three fingers to use them. I always wonder how middle finger on rmb users mark text while scrolling (i.e. when the text to mark extends the visiblearea). Yes, I know, shift key exists, but really?

Hello. Can you please share what sensor the DeLux MV6 uses? Is that good for gaming? By gaming I mean actual true gaming and not primarily focusing on CSGO, COD, Valorant and other bulls#it

@DygmaLab

5 ай бұрын

It's the PAW3212 and it's not specially good for gaming 😅

This was such a nice concise review, but the audio was hard to hear for me, not sure if anyone else encountered that. At times the movement of the mouse was louder than his voice.

@DygmaLab

9 ай бұрын

You're right. We didn't use a desk mat and the mice were loud when hitting the table. We've bought a big mat for future videos 😊

I returned the Logitech MX vertical and kept the Logitech Lift, which I like a lot

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Cool! Was the MX vertical too big for your hands? Why did you change for the Lift? 🤔

This is one of the best videos on that topic that I've seen! Very unexpected from a keyboard manufacturer.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks, we are really honored! We work hard to make an informative, yet fun video to watch ❤️

I tried a few vertical mice and currently I'm using a MX Vertical and MX Ergo from time to time.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Nice! Do you find it difficult to switch from trackball to mouse? 🤔

@raytsh

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab For me, it only takes a minute or so to mentally switch and to not trying to move the whole trackball.

I have been using Delux M618 for more than 6 years. A cable/wired version. I am with my second mouse right now, the wheel on the old one broke a year ago. Six years of heavy use should justify this mouse's durability. The wheel has the ability to sweep left-right, you can click it for a click-drag maneuver. The grip and movement are conveniently acceptable. I only have one problem with it, in my case I cannot customize its auxiliary thumb-side buttons. Delux has many copies, with identical design but different independent brands. Although the different brands share its comfortable grip design but the clicking and cursor movement experience can be under Delux's quality. I use Macbook and I am doing a lot of photo editing. Vertical mouse has been very helpful in reducing my wrist strain. I tried other vertical mice but many of them are either too slim (I need some mass to hold) or not vertical enough, so far Delux M618 design fits my palm better.

@DygmaLab

8 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us 😊 Also, great to hear you found a mouse that adapts to your hand, that's the complicated part. Like you point, and Luis mentions, the most important is being able to test a lot and find one that does not compromise the grip. Glad to hear you're improving from those wrist pains!

Gotta admit, although it is a very long video review it was very entertaining to watch :)

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! We have many more to come! 😊

the wheel should be always on the border if clickable as 3rd button... instead they always force to curl the middle finger, I have 2 different Perixxx (CSL&Anker category?): the 508 and the 515; the logitech one seems very interesting for my hand (large hand + palm gripper) but I want it to be wired...

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

I guess you can have the cable connected and use it wired... the battery should be able to control that just fine 🤔

One thing I've always wanted is to have some buttons on the right side of the mouse which are never used. I thought that when using the xbox, on an xbox the thumbs are overused, but on a mouse, the middle, ring and pinkie fingers are underused. I could see 3 normal buttons for the pointer to ringer finger would be great will the scroll mouse somewhere in the middle. But I think for the sake of the scroll mouse, it gets in the way to be used as a third middle button. But going crazy, I don't see why you couldn't have 4 buttons for all the fingers except the thumb. And then having multiple buttons on the thumb like the razer. Another idea that you could implement is that it's super important try try all of this out, so maybe you can send people, or for like 15$ people cab purchase 5 different shells to see what each size mouse feels like to your hand. I would pay for that to feel the size and the clicks of the mouse and when I'm ready then I know exactly what size mice you offer to buy. I really wish there were more buttons in better places like I mentioned and that the mice were customized better with my hand. I got the large Anker mouse, and I didn't realize it but it is far too large for my hand and although I thought the slant would help, the largeness requires more pressure to push and negates that advantage. So yea, i would invest in an awesome mouse. I really like the exchangeable buttons layout here on the razer, however, it doesn't implement the buttons idea on the top or right like I mentioned: www.amazon.com/Razer-Naga-Wireless-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B08D27XXRY/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2F92N7JZ6FB4R&keywords=wireless+mouse+multiple+side+buttons&qid=1703832203&s=electronics&sprefix=wireless+mouse+multiple+side+button%2Celectronics%2C130&sr=1-3

@DygmaLab

5 ай бұрын

The amount of buttons to place on a mouse is a bit delicate. On one hand, more buttons = more possibilities and functions. However, they are also more confusing for the user. The exact amount depens more on the design of the mouse, and where is comfortable to place how many buttons. It's better to have 4 comfortable buttons than 6 uncomfortable ones, because in the end, 2 end up unused. Developing fewer buttons but a better software is probably the best way to go. We completely agree that the mouse should have better sizing, and even modularity to adapt to the size of the hand, that should be a must at this point. Hopefully we can do something in the future to fix it 😊

@richardwilliamsmusic

5 ай бұрын

That would be great! @@DygmaLab

I myself did a pretty extensive personal review of a bunch of mice featured in this video. Unfortunately none of them qualified as true vert gaming mouse. The closest were the Trust Gaming GXT 144 and the Zelotes C-18. The Trust doesn't support n-key, multiple buttons pressed at once. The Zelotes C-18 has very poor teflon pads, they feel sandy and ruined my mousepad. Yes I took off the protective film. The buttons were failing and double-clicking after only a week of use. If anyone could suggest a right hand vert gaming mouse with at least 500hz polling rate, customizable software control panel and good construction, please let me know!

@DygmaLab

8 ай бұрын

That's a tall order to ask 😅 Most manufacturers forcus the vertical designs for productivity, and those models don't need that level of specs. For sure, in the future it will be possible; for now, we have not found something of that kind, let us know if yo find one 😉

@daveeckblad

8 ай бұрын

@DygmaLab Thanks for the explanation and advice. I've decided to get a logi superlight and mod it into a vert with sugru. the mainboard and button subboards are separate. I'll report back with my results. Thanks again for all the cool project demos. It's super inspiring!

I use the Perixx Perimice 713 at home and at work and I love it

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Nice! Thank you for sharing your opinion on it with us 🥰

Man, this was a great review. I appreciate that he judged the cheap mouses for what they are... cheap. They can still be viable if you don't have the budget for a Logitech mouse. I been using the Anker and it's very decent.

@DygmaLab

8 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! The budget is always important, no matter the product, and the thing about mice is that the one with the correct shape and size for you can cost 10$; always try and test the items, there are surprises, like your Anker, in any model

My problem with mice is that I'm set on having one with 6+ side buttons and use palm, which makes it difficult to find any. I'm currently using a Razer Naga Trinity with 7 side buttons, however it is not the most comfortable with palming, because the side buttons are too close to the wrist. And now find a vertical mouse with that.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

I totally understand, mice with extra buttons are tough to find. My brother has a G600 from Logitech and really loves it, they are very similar, but maybe it works better for you? You can check their shape here at this link: t.ly/EccO

@vacyyyy

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab Thanks for the reply; cool website. Shape is basically the same. Also too many buttons for me. I hope that you guys will do something with more buttons, maybe with hot swappable sides so you can choose. Also as y'all don't seem to shy away from crazier ideas: how about more locations for buttons (next to right or left click, ring finger)?

I don't know where this numbers come from, but I know a lot left handed people and all of them use mouse with left hand. Maybe there are not many options with ergonomic mouses for lefties on the market, so that's why some of them decides to use right hand?

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

The numbers came from a survey we did when we were creating the Raise. It could be that this is enforced by the market not making good mice for lefties, though 🤔

Guys, what an entertaining video. I did literally the same review for myself and spent hours. You forgot to review the penguin mouse and the R-Go HE Mouse. The R-Go is similar to the Evoluent but in my opinion the better option and it comes in 3 different sizes as well. I have very large hands with claw grip, I think the R-Go fits better for the palm grip. Still I always go back to the Logitech MX Master just because of the scroll wheel! Unfortunately I have not yet found the perfect mouse.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Nice! Logitech has some of the best around, no doubt. We are working on something new too that we want you guys to try. More on that soon 🤐

I have the Logitech MX and really like it, but not ideal. I would have given the Lift a shot, but since there is no optional wire to plug in directly to the computer, that means having to buy batteries.

@DygmaLab

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, needed to buy batteries is not ideal 🔋

I like the content of the video but my verdict is, it depends on the user. Although it gives ideas to people if they are not familiar with vertical mice or haven't tried one yet or planning to buy one. I bought a lot of OEM vertical mice though ZELOTES is the best one for me. The only thing stupid buying it online (Philippines) all of the mice that I bought - the LED's are not working (the red LED at the bottom with the sensor). Funny thing is the mice is still working perfectly hahaha.

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

We agree on that, in the end, it all comes down to factors like: the habits of the user, the shape and size of the hand, the grip, the space to move the mouse, the budget, the type of activity... that's why we encourage people to test and see which is best for them, like you're doing by testing those Zelotes 😉 Hope you find the perfect fit in no time, and the LEDs work as intended 💪

No joke about the Logitech hand sizing. I have a 19cm hand from first wrist wrist crease to top of middle finger, and I wear XL sized gloves. I tried the MX Vertical and the Lift at a store, and the MX was quite large even for me. I could use it in a palm grip, but even I had to reach a bit for the thumb buttons. The Lift was fine for me, even though they say it's meant for "small and medium" hands. Maybe the design idea is that the mouse should be completely palmed, and the sizing reflects that. But I'd say try before you buy. I still went for an MX Master 2S because they were on sale for 59€. The MX Vertical would have been 100€, and the Lift was 80€. I want to try a vertical mouse, but I didn't want to pay almost double for the MXV in case I didn't like it after all. BTW, I thought the build quality, at least in the materials, was much better on the MXV (and the MX Master series also), than on the Lift. The body plastics and the wheel on the MX series are very nice, where the Lift was certainly cheaper feeling in both areas. I felt like the Lift was a cheaper mouse made more expensive because of the vertical design. Not bad, but definately not 80€ good. I think I'll wait and see if I can find the Lift on sale sometime, or find another, more affordable vertical mouse to try on. Though, the MX Master 2S I bought for my 59€ seems like it's so good and so well built, I wonder if I would ever actually use the cheap mouse even if it was vertical. Maybe best to use the MXM until it's time for a change again.

@DygmaLab

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, the way you grip it's also very important. A claw grip makes big mice even bigger, so a big hand with claw grip might be better with the Lift than the Mx vertical.

I wish someone would make a modern version of the evoluent. I've been using their Bluetooth Mac version for over a decade, but looking for something new. The materials on the Mac Bluetooth version are even more plasticky and glossy than the others and I hate the feel. I got the white version and have to clean it off every week as it's a dirt/oil magnet. Would love a soft rubbery version. Even though it feels cheap it has lasted over 10 years of heavy continuous use so can't complain too much. Main reason for looking is that the index button has finally worn out and it does 2x-7x clicks with each click. I wish I could buy a vertical mouse with premium materials, soft mouse clicks and modern sensor that has the form factor of the evoluent. I use all the programmable buttons every day and find them very conveniently placed and wish it actually had more buttons available. I have thought about buying a new evoluent, replacing the sensor (there's a guide on how to hack it) and plastidipping the glossy parts, that's how desperate I am as there are no other good options.

@DygmaLab

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experience with the Evoluent mouse! These insights are important as we continue to search for the best ergonomic setup ✨

@foundouthowtochangeytnameb1997

2 ай бұрын

i agree with you 100%. I simp for the evouluent mouse design, especially the angle. But their external build quality make me question their pricing…

Great video. I have to mention... that is not what OEM means, it kind of means the opposite of what you're describing. It's an abbreviation for Original Equipment Manufacturer. The best example I can think of is if you have an iPhone and are using the cable that shipped with the phone, that's the OEM cable. If you bought a cable from a random company on Amazon (whose name is probably a series of meaningless letters) it's a non-OEM cable. I currently have the shiny Evoluent mouse because I have massive hands and was looking for a comparison of their 3 models to see if I wanted to change for another model. You're right, the finish is pretty crappy, and after a while the chrome gets rubbed off and looks even worse. For me, the 3rd button is essential because I do 3D modeling and it's nice to have to navigate in 3D space, pressing in a scroll wheel for a middle mouse button pretty much sucks.

@DygmaLab

Ай бұрын

The point we're trying to make here is that there are OEM mice, where the model is identical and comes from the same factory, but different brands purchase it and modify certain details or elements in the firmware to personalize it. However, the underlying model remains the same 😊

@erikjohnson7361

Ай бұрын

Yeah that comes across, but OEM isn't what they would be called. I'd think something like "generic" would be a better word to use. @@DygmaLab

@theonlyD

Ай бұрын

Yep, they should've called it white-label.

My idea of an ideal mouse consists several factors, and ergonomics happens to be just one of them. As a gamer, I find additional buttons to be utterly essential. Ideal would have 3-5 buttons accessible instantly by the thumb, 1-2 smaller secondary buttons available to the left click finger, and 1-2 smaller secondary buttons available to the right click finger (which I haven't ever actually seen). These are also very useful for workflows as well, because during workflows you can map special keys to the mouse, so you can, say, CTRL-drag with just one hand. The value of the extra buttons on the mouse is so high while gaming that I practically always have to sacrifice good ergonomic design in order to have the value of the extra buttons. This is especially frustrating because there are so many additional ergonomic factors which contribute to ideal ergo function, and the mouse arm definitely starts hurting after a few hours of gaming with the boys. If Dygma decides to jump into the ergo mouse game, I'd like to BEG you for a gaming mouse with lots of extra buttons. But I also perfectly understand the challenges of product design. You've got trade-offs when you want to introduce features. That Gaming mouse with the control stick is an example of a failure to take that into account. it isn't really possible to keep using that joystick while picking up the mouse briefly to move it.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment Leo. Like all the products in Dygma we want to accomplish something great with the mouse too. We want to have as many features as possible, and we want them all well implemented too ❤️ Don't worry, we will create a great product 💪

@Capnsensible80

11 ай бұрын

Fully agree with all of this, pretty much my exact thoughts 👍

The problem I see with the lift is that it doesn't have a USB C connector. I like using my mouse wired. I have a MX Vertical, and I was so confortable with it, that I bought a second one so that I can have one for work and other for home. The problem is that they both started having problems with the main keys at the same time 2 years efter the purchase (coinciding with the end of the warranty), so I'm not sure if I want to risk to buy another one, but there doesn't seem to be a better alternative.

@DygmaLab

7 ай бұрын

It's so hard to find a good mouse! I'm sorry that you've had issues with it 🙏

@igorokinamujika2073

7 ай бұрын

@@DygmaLab I finally bought another one but with a 2 year extended warranty. So that amounts to a total of 5 years.

@DygmaLab

7 ай бұрын

👏 Smart! 💪

Evoluent D is definitely more comfortable, but something about the precision just doesn't work for me. Not sure if it's the shape that makes me inaccurate with it, or its laser sucks (or required a mousepad). Compared to my old DeathAdder v2, it's unusable. Feel significantly less productive

@DygmaLab

3 ай бұрын

It always depends on your hand size, your preferences and what you use the mouse for to find the perfect mouse that fits you 😊

I have too many keyboards. If you make mice, I’d love to buy one or more. I am right handed but I use mice on my left hand to ease the burden on my right hand.

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Cool! Normally vertical mouse are not ambidextrous though. We're working on a mystery device, but we are not creating a left-hand version. We've explained that it would be harder to produce that as we would have to meet the minimum order quantities and all that 😢

@katarixy

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab Thank you for the response. That is correct I've only tried found one southpaw vertical mouse. I typical use a trackball on my left. I would love to see what the mystery product is! I have enjoyed supported your company and loved my original dygma. Thanks!

Please do a ergonomic mouse with more buttons! I love the G604 due to the side buttons.

@DygmaLab

2 ай бұрын

I think someone is making one... I'll tell that company 😜

How about the Logitech MX Master 3S?

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

That one is not considered Vertical 😉 It's a great mouse, though.

Are they playing the song of storms from ocarina of time in the background?

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

You have a good ear my friend. It's LoFi Zelda music yes 😊

this man has a reviewing talent , I really loved the way he explains every thing about every model and viewing his opinion in a very objective way ,my admire and respect to this review ,I didn't see any professional review like this for a long time. 👍

@DygmaLab

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! He is our CEO, Luis Sevilla 😊

how would you rate the i clever vertical mouse

@DygmaLab

9 ай бұрын

We have one at the office too. It can be interesting to try, but only for palm grip.

I went through a few vertical mice myself: Rapoo MV20 was too large for my hand and it worked only on Windows and I needed Mac as well (but this was my mistake, I didn't notice this detail in the product description); Cherry MW4500 was also too large for my hand, but worked on both Win and Mac, I ended up getting it because I ordered it at around the same time with Rapoo, otherwise I would have skipped it; Delux LM158G (which is basically Dominique's mouse) was finally a great size for my hand, but I couldn't get used to it and only after getting the Logitech Lift did I realise it was because Delux was fully plastic and it was slippery; Logitech Lift is the last vertical mouse that I bought and have been using it since late January, which says everything, yay! And it's pink :D

@DygmaLab

Жыл бұрын

Nice! The Pink Lift looks amazing ❤️ When we release ours, we hope to replace that Lift of yours 😏

@kaleid1990

Жыл бұрын

@@DygmaLab Keeping my eyes peeled 👀👀👀

The Lift comes in Pink 👀 I have the gray one and I absolutely love it ❤

@DygmaLab

10 ай бұрын

The Lift is a great options for Mid and small sized hands, and the fact that they are making it in more colors proofs people are loving that model 😊 Glad to hear you're enjoying!

is there a vertical mouse that has a polling rate of more than 200? i think all of these have the same sensor which caps at 100-150hz refresh rate

@DygmaLab

Ай бұрын

We don't know all the mice of the market but you can check this list to find the sensor you are looking for 😊 sensor.fyi/sensors/ . The polling rate is not just the sensor but also the firmware and the communication protocol

@DarkionAvey

Ай бұрын

@@DygmaLab great. thank you

very precisely details to describe how you grip and move the mouse instead of how does the mouse design. It is real ergonomic, action with human!

@DygmaLab

11 ай бұрын

Thank you, we're glad this was helpful! 🥰

I can't go back to 'standard' mouse. There really needs to be a high end option; preferably with lightweight metals. I can speak too owning a logi mx vertical long-term. Plastic junk as far as longevity is concerned. I have smaller hands and use my logi mx vertical for everything including competitive gaming with a clawing grip. I remember it feeling too big and awkward at first but it feels very comfortable over time. It'll work great for about a year, then the exterior plastic, switches, and mouse wheel deteriorate to a point of non-function. The only other downside is having to download a software suite to get the dpi profile quick change option. traveling with my mouse between work and home I'm stuck with a base speed at my work as most companies lock-down software you can install. everything else about the logi mx vertical is good. The pinky dangle grew on me as I use my pinky as additional friction control and bracing especially while gaming. Usb c A+, battery life A+, connectivity options A+, connection strength A+, sensor A+, but the wear items do not last long. I think I will try the logi lift only because I don't think there are really any other options atm. Maybe a silicone grip/cover would keep the exterior rubber/plastic from deteriorating overtime but those don't really exist.

@DygmaLab

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for commenting Davin. That's exactly what we want to provide with a new product: a proper alternative to those who are already used to using a vertical mouse. It will also be a great device for starters that want to get into the vertical mouse market. We want to have great materials, reparability and all that is already present in Dygma's products ❤️

First of, whoever picked the lofi final fantasy mix for the background music needs a raise. I'm a medium hands claw grip, and I've used the anker and am now with the zelotes c-18, the scroll wheel is starting to go after one year of daily 12 hour use so I'll be getting something new soon. One thing that I want to add is that the "joystick" on top of it is a complete gimmick and is not a joystick at all, its a clickable d-pad at best, it is at an angle and on top of the mouse making so that you are either using that or using the mouse so I would buy the cheaper non "joystick" version. Regarding the use of buttons, I use them very often for the backwards/fowards commands in the browser, but not a lot in gamming as I used to do with horizontal mice. I think that something I would like to see is a mouse with one button on top and one on the bottom that is intended to be used with the knuckle of the thumb by sliding it on the mouse's surface. There could be space for more buttons on the click side of the mouse especially for use with pinky or ring finger. On a separate note, some brands (delux does this) are starting to have hadn size and grip reccomendations with their mice. Great video and I'll be waiting for the Dygma vertical claw and vertical palm mice

@DygmaLab

7 ай бұрын

🎶 We're glad you liked the music choice. We're always exploring new ideas and innovations. Stay tuned for more exciting developments! 😊👍

@Wet_Electronics

3 ай бұрын

I tried to buy an identical version of this joystick mouse with different branding and the scroll wheel arrived broken. If you are (or anyone is) thinking of trying a different brand or wondering if you mashed it in any way. It's not you. The wheel is defective. We need fully redesigned internals built in this form factor.