Hey Dawid! Just so you know the MX master does have the option to turn on clicky scrolling using the Logitech software. You can even tune the clickyness to your liking!

@TragicAyk

7 ай бұрын

Yeah you can control the MagWheel with the smart-shift option in their software. Still think it would be cool to not install any drivers or programs to use a mouse. Like Dawid said the G502, G500 etc. had a physical switch and wouldn't need software just for that feature :-)

@volvo09

7 ай бұрын

Woah, software controlled clickyness? Crazy times we are living in.

@thebizzle413

7 ай бұрын

You can also set the control to the button behind the mouse. @@volvo09

@EricAbbottTri

7 ай бұрын

There is also a button right above the wheel that will engage or disengage the clicky scroller.

@arthurreid6108

7 ай бұрын

Also I'm confused, my Master 3s has the button that turns the clicky wheel on or off.

The button behind the wheel on the MXMaster mice changes the scroll mode between free and the normal clicky. The software also has options for auto free scroll with different force levels for the changeover point.

@T.Lspitz

7 ай бұрын

Love that button. Its a personal must for me especially when scrolling long pages like on ebay or long Microsoft word docs ect..

@homercles79

7 ай бұрын

I have my MX Master 3 set up to be clicky at slow scrolling then change to smooth/fast when I scroll faster. Such a nice feature.

@NonLegitNation2

7 ай бұрын

I've been using this mouse for about 9 months now and I totally forgot about that lol.

@HappyBeezerStudios

7 ай бұрын

I know that from my G502. But for weight reasons I've taken out the whole switcheroo parts.

02:21 I have the same mouse, and if you touch the button that's right above, it changes the "flow" of the wheel, making it more like a "traditional" mouse wheel.

@hoeewiee

7 ай бұрын

Lol I have this mouse for a year now. Never tried that button. I think it's the first time it's pressed now. It's soo clicky!

@Absol407

7 ай бұрын

Que bueno verte por acá!

@guily6669

7 ай бұрын

Lol it's so stupid owning such a mouse and not even knowing that... My Logitech G502 Hero also has a button to change between click and free spin and I'm sure there's a good number of logitech models with the same system.

@churblefurbles

7 ай бұрын

@@guily6669 The original mx would switch modes automatically.

i dont get how companies havent started monetizing on this idea more cus i feel like if they make a great gaming vertical mouse its gonna redefine the industry for us gamers

@felicityc

7 ай бұрын

t's just far too niche. That thing isn't even geared to go above 125hz. Both those MX mice are locked at 125hz. That imo makes them basically unsuable even day to day, I don't know how Dawid can handle 125hz especially on his higher refresh rate monitors. They are office mice They won't put good sensors in those things unless they are guaranteed a sufficient market, and it doesn't matter how much it saves your wrist, if you aim worse with it they ain't gonna buy it loool

@handlmycck

7 ай бұрын

its already been tried somewhat and failed. the trust gtx 144 rexx. honestly if there was a smaller and lighter, like 50g max version id use it.

@theBabyDead

7 ай бұрын

@@handlmycck there are definitely lighter versions... I've had one. Impossible to click without moving the cursor.

@juroBeba

7 ай бұрын

They have tho. It's called the gunmouse

@palaver40

7 ай бұрын

I'm a senior with some bad fingers due to Dupuytren's Contracture. I've used the Anker vertical mouse along with a Razer Orb Weaver pad with my left hand. Without these two, I wouldn't be able to keep gaming. I still have to use God mode much of the time, but a vertical mouse has saved the day for me.

As a vertical mouse user I hace a lot to say about this! First of all, the Lift IS the lighter and smaller version of the MX Vertical, which i have been using for years, better suited for bigger hands. Now with that out of the way, at first you feel inaccurate and slow because you're using a whole different set of muscles in your forearm to move the mouse at a different angle than what you've been doing your whole life, so its only a matter of time and practice to train those muscles up. I've been using mine for gaming always and even though its not the most precise thing in the world, I'm no competitive gamer by any means and it does good enough for my needs. The best part is never having those awful wrist pains ever again! Now one more this is idk about the lift, but I believe i could adjust my DPI using the logitech software, aswell as button shortcuts.

@aurelienlux

7 ай бұрын

I wonder if it would be possible to frankenstein a gaming Lift by taking the hardware (especially the sensor and logic/controller part) from a gaming mouse and putting it into the Lift's body. And maybe some kind of mod to make the clickiness feel better.

@ImreBertalan86

7 ай бұрын

@@aurelienlux You don't need to do that. These mice are good enough, that you just have to get used to the feeling, you are holding a joystick instead a mouse. ;)

@aurelienlux

7 ай бұрын

@@ImreBertalan86 There's still probably some benefits to having a very high DPI sensor with all the bells and whistle (so also very low latency communication, etc). If I recall correctly LTT did a video a little while ago where they tried to quantify the effect and if I remember the conclusion correctly it did have an effect, at least for players with a certain level of practice or skill in a given game. They also have a video where they showed that not all mice with the same DPI on paper are made equal, and the real life result can be far from the theory and doesn't depend entirely on just the sensor. Plus it would be kind of a cool project for a tinkerer.

@allenellisdewitt

7 ай бұрын

I have the m575, and yah, it did take me a good week or so to be at the exact same level, but agreed that once you have a new set of muscle memories to work with, it's smooth sailing.

@Thurgosh_OG

7 ай бұрын

I've been using vertical mice for around 10 years due to RSI and they work fine for gaming use.

The MX Master 3S does have a notched scroll wheel. Press the small button just behind it! Changes between free mode and notched mode.

I'm so glad you touched on this subject. Having returned to gaming after nearly a 20-year hiatus, I find that my wrist and forearm aren't what they once were in my late 20's. I'm definitely looking into some better options. Thanks, Dawid!

@yoshi555king

7 ай бұрын

Ergo/ ambi shaped gaming mouse like for F sakes

I started using the MX vertical about a year ago after I noticed signs of carpal tunnel and haven't looked back since. It's not the most precise to aim with but I haven't had much issue getting used to it and use it for both work and gaming. A fun side effect of using it exclusively has been trying to use a traditional mouse again. Makes you feel like you haven't used a computer before.

@DrivingSander1970

7 ай бұрын

I also use the MX Vertical and really love it!

For similar reasons, I switched to a negative tilt ergonomic keyboard. I started on the Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard for general office use. After I got used to it and started to use it for gaming, I found a mechanical keyboard that was **almost** as good layout wise. Saved my wrists for sure.

I’d be interested to see a comparison in an aim labs test that requires larger mouse movements - i.e targets moving 360 degrees around you, instead of ones that are all within a small field of view.

Always entertaining! Not tech related but, what's the watch I see you wearing all the time? I'm surprised it's not some kind of smartwatch. Cheers

I got carpal tunnel in my early 20s so I got a logitech MX Vertical and it helped a lot with my carpal tunnel. I just frequently wish they had a gaming version as I've found the big issue with it is that it's not "smooth" feeling (i.e. polling rate is too low). This is ONLY a problem in shooters and every other game I use the MX Vertical

@jonathanbarkins8480

3 ай бұрын

I use a cheap vertical mouse from amazon that's called Zelotes C-18 iirc, and I find it to work really nicely in games. I also use a vertical keyboard so people are pretty weirded out when they come to my place.

A vertical mouse is way better for my wrists than a normal mouse but I always track back to trackballs for everything not gaming related. My first 'mouse' was a Logitech Trackman Marble FX and I am currently using a MX Ergo. I still game with a traditional mouse, except for games like XCOM, Civ or Stellaris. A trackball is also a good access protection. I had a lot of people desperately scrubbing my 'mouse' over the desk. It will take a lot less desk space espacialy with a 80% TKL or smaller keyboard. You may hate the trackball for the first few days but it was worth it for me.

@FerralVideo

7 ай бұрын

I actually love gaming on my trackball. I sadly just wore out my MX Ergo though. Left click went funky and the grip material's starting to go off. The first time you do a spin and kill shot by flicking the ball and catching it at the perfect moment is just SO SATISFYING. I'm not all that cracked up at shooters anymore, but in my prime I preferred trackballs for them over regular mice. They're also a GODSEND for laptops where you might not be able to set up a large enough area for a normal mouse to roam around in.

I've been using the DeLUX vertical mouse (a budget Lift) for work and gaming for a year and it does takes some time to get used to but can definitely be as good and more comfortable than a regular gaming mouse

This was a really cool and interesting video, thank you Dawid. Please keep it up (she said)...! Along this vein, perhaps consider doing a similar video but comparing mouse pads - cloth, glass, metal, etc. And another comparing mouse pad sizes and proportions on mouse feel/game performance. Would make for some neat comparisons methinks!

Hey mate,nice video! I'm curious about which watch you wear,it looks awesome!

Yeah, having a vertical wrist position does help thats also one of the reasons why i sometimes have an awkward holding of the normal gaming mouse just to make it comfortable for me to hold and play.

@MarcoS-ue7og

7 ай бұрын

lol

Vertical mice are very comfortable. I would say there is a learning curve with it compared to a traditional mouse, but overall I enjoyed using it.

the scroll wheel can be switched to clicky mode. install logioptions. You can set it to always clicky, or a mode that releases the clicky clutch when you throw a hard scroll.

@Dawid, Could you do a similar video for a trackball please? In my opinion the inertia of the ball can be useful for gaming, it's also a very precise pointing device.

what really surprised me a lot was how much dawid lifted his fingers off the mouse's buttons after clicking. mine tend to rest on the button after clicking. man that's some serious movement there :O

@HappyBeezerStudios

7 ай бұрын

That is where his click latency comes from.

Not really focusing on the mouse for now but insofar as using AA or AAA batteries go, I actually find that that's my preference for mice nowadays once you get your hands on a decent set of Eneloop or equivalent-performance rechargeable batteries. Mainly, I'm just glad that I'll be able to keep using the same mouse (I'm rocking a Deathadder v2 x Hyperspeed at the moment) indefinitely given the batteries live up to their ~10 year lifespan each, and take care to keep each in good health.

@Collin_J

7 ай бұрын

Replaceable batteries are the way to go! I still use my original Xbox 360 controllers which is awesome

@Lyander25

7 ай бұрын

@@Collin_J I'm on the XBox series controller at the moment and have been really fond of it. I mainly use it as a USB controller but for when I wanna lean back in my chair I engage the AA batteries, haha. Eneloops are cool

@92Hidden

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree. AA batteries are a huge plus for me. I can just drop new ones in so wireless actually stays wireless always and there's no degrading of capacity over the years. I always hated how a playstation gaming session got interrupted by having to charge the controller while on xbox I could just drop new batteries in.

@Lyander25

7 ай бұрын

@@92Hidden heck yeah. Sure you might end up with a slightly larger chassis or reduced overall endurance, but I feel like that's a small price to pay considering how you're giving up product longevity elsewise. Even if you're handy with a soldering iron, proprietarily-shaped batteries are a bane, or Apple filling their phones with self destructive mechanisms when they detect ingress.

@HappyBeezerStudios

7 ай бұрын

Are the IKEA rechargables still relabeled eneloops? If yes, they are the obvious choice. And using a AAA battery with an adapter (or a little ball of tinfoil) reduces weight a bit.

Nice cut Dawid. And Great video as always.

Been using an ergonomic mouse for years, so much more comfortable for long term use. Mind I don't do much gaming with FPS more strategy games so suits my choices more. It did take a while to get used to. Would be interesting to see how your get one after several hours of use. But great video

IMO vertical mouse is a must have. It feels more natural compared to the regular mouse. Using the Trust Verto I can swing my wrist almost 180 degrees, while if the wrist is horizontal it can move in very limited angle. It is especially usefull when combining monitors in Eyefinity/3D surround setup for 4000+ horizontal pixels- that's a lot of distance for a mouse cursor to pass..

@hyperturbotechnomike

7 ай бұрын

I have the Trust GXT Rexx. It was on sale for 35€ once and it is pretty good for an entry level gaming mouse. Has everything i need.

I got so used to the Logitech thumb trackball mouse that I was just as good (if not a little better) at FPS games with it. Had a lan party with some friends playing CSGO and forgot my 502 at home, but had my trackball in my bag. I was laughed at and mocked initially but that went away pretty quickly once a few rounds were behind us 😂

This man is funny AF and good videos as always. Love the content man! Keep it up

I've had a logitech MX Vertical over a year now, and I love it. I use it for gaming and work, and my wrist feels so much better. I let my wife try it out, and she got a smaller vertical mouse for her work computer. So much better in the long run. Now you have me interested in the Superglide pads. Thanks for your fun videos!

Yes!!! Another vertical mouse convert!! 😄 I’ve been using the Zelotes vertical gaming mouse for the better part of 5 years now and I’ve never ever ever again experienced carpal issues. I picked it at the time because the logi lift was twice the price and I didn’t have that kind of cash to spend. There was a learning curve to it but afterwards I’ll never go back to a normal mouse. The funny thing is that if someone sits down at my PC they have no idea how to use it, like a car thief trying to steal a car but doesn’t know how to drive manual transmission 🙃

@Bijoux_DerWunderCatsen

7 ай бұрын

I have 3 Zelotes vertical mouses and love them all. The one with the 5-way joystick on top is what I use for War Thunder. They are a pretty cool company. They sent me an SDK for the F-36 wireless. I replaced the left click switch with a TTC switch and kinda trashed the teflon skates and they sent me a sheet of them free.

@davidmartineziii7343

7 ай бұрын

@@Bijoux_DerWunderCatsen I also use the one with the little thumbstick 😀 I remapped it to do different things when I used to play WoW. I wouldd've also gone with the wireless model, but alas. I have 2 small children and there is NO DOUBT in anyone's mind that it would grow some really long legs before the day is through.

I agree! The only thing I don't like is rechargeable batteries in a mouse, because it's amazing to be able to swap a new AA on the fly instead of having to recharge a built-in cell that loses capacity over time. The built-in rechargeable cells aren't hard to replace, but they're not nearly as convenient as swapping in a new AA as needed (you have to take the mouse apart with screws, and hope you don't crack plastic). Use rechargeable AAs if you want to save the environment: just have a few of them ready to swap in as needed. I actually wish every new mouse used AAA cells. That would be the perfect design, in my opinion.

@asiano3385

7 ай бұрын

True. I just wanted to say the same thing. The fact that in my old mouse it can last over 6 or 8 months with the AA batteries is nice. But I would rather buy the AA rechargable ones to be able to reuse them. I also have a rechargable mouse with battery built-in and I hate it. And when the battery degrades the signal weakens and the mouse starts to lag.

@andynormancx

7 ай бұрын

I generally agree with this. Until it comes to Logitech Master and MX mice. I don’t know what magic they do with their batteries, but I’ve still yet to have one lose any significant capacity. I’ve got four of them that get used varying amounts. One of them I’ve had for 13 years and the battery is still fine (my wife uses that one daily). The one I use daily is at least six years old, still has enough capacity that I’ve never detected any change in how long it lasts. It probably helps that they have an actual power switch and the ones I don’t use daily are switched off.

@HappyBeezerStudios

7 ай бұрын

You can put AAA batteries in a mouse that asks for AA. They are smaller, yes, but that size difference can be bridged and you have a slightly lighter mouse. Been using rechargables for nearly 20 years. Now. They do have a bit less charge, but that is no big deal, since you can use them 1000 times.

@WSS_the_OG

7 ай бұрын

@@HappyBeezerStudios Yes, been doing that too, using the AAA to AA adapter. :)

I've been running an MX Master for a very long time, have always preferred bigger mice like the Naga Hex. Basically the only thing you really need is some Teflon skates and it becomes magical. The side scroll wheel is amazing for fettling my aircraft prop pitch, mixture control, flaps, etc in different keyboard combinations when I'm playing flight sims. Would highly recommend it for gaming with that one mod, new mouse feet.

Very few people can make a sponsor spot that I will willingly watch and actually highly enjoy. Dawid, you are a great comedian. I loved that commercial 😂👍

The real (so far) solution to my carpal-death-pain (I am a really bad case) has been to use the logi mx ergo trackball mouse - where you move the cursor with your thumb on a ball. I tried various vertical mice and they didn't really work. I also have to game almost exclusively with a controller (the underside paddles on the xbox elite controller are heavensent as shoulder buttons cause me pain)

@helenFX

7 ай бұрын

@@hnewc1919 The only problem that I've found with trackball mice is that logitech seem to be the only ones that are properly accurate - accurate enough that it doesn't freak out if you just spin the ball and enough that playing rpgs or strategy games (or editing video) is easy. Pro tip for anyone considering one: read the manual because I broke my first one as i kept disassembling the whole thing to clean the bearings, not understanding what the little hole for pushing the ball out was for lol.

No joke, my peak performance in FPS games came when I was rocking an old Logitech mouse with a big red trackball in the front. Part of that was definitely because I was younger, but also I felt like I could react faster when just needing to use my fingers to do so. Sometimes odd mice just work with you.

I just started my journey to finding a good vertical gaming mouse so this was very informative!

I’ve had a “vertical” ergonomic mouse for a couple years, at first I found it difficult to game with. Actually, I thought it would be impossible. I tended to go up and back at an angle, not straight. But after using it for awhile, it became like any other mouse. I like it, not for gaming though, although you can use it for gaming.

i found that angling my mouse pad helped a lot, basically make the mousepad a ramp that is 2 inches high on the left side then your wrist angle more closely matches the angle of the mouse without straining

I’ve used a vertical mouse for about 2 years now for work. I used it for gaming for a brief period too, but I enjoyed it more for work. But going from my work mouse to my home mouse, it just makes me want my vertical mouse again. I’ll be first in line for a lighter vertical mouse, love em’

Hmmm, I've tried a vertical mouse before, and it was extremely lightweight and very slippery. It actually made my accuracy go down by over 50% (Especially on small, real world targets and applications) because whenever I wanted to click it, the mouse would slide from the force I'd exert to click. I should note that the mouse in question also didn't allow me to thumb-block very well, so it might've been an issue for that mouse specifically, but it was enough to make me not try another. Especially considering I didn't have a lot to spend back then. It's actually pretty hard to hold your mouse steady during a click when the thing blocking your mouse from moving isn't a sturdy desk, but your own thumb.

Very useful cheers. I've been using a cheap a55 Anker vertical mouse, but have been thinking of upgrading to the Logitech Lift.

I have arthritis in my dominant hand, the right, and switched to an MX Vertical by Logi several months ago. Yes, it helps enormously with the wrist pain and after a short learning curve my gaming is at the same level it was before.

@Bijoux_DerWunderCatsen

7 ай бұрын

I have RA and it was a relief, learning curve was seconds.

I also had some hand issues from gaming/editing I use the MX Vertical for all non-gaming computer use. Definitely easier on the wrist though the switches they use in them are low quality and developed a double click issue in a bit under 2 years of use. And then for gaming I have the Glorious Model D- wireless. I tried a few others and for me a smaller size and lighter was easier on the hands.

I've been using the MX master for many years since the first 1, now I'm on MX master 2s and will probably buy the MX master 3, it's my main mouse for most of my PC usage but also got g502 and g604 for gaming, I'm very happy with those 3. The angle of the hand is not the only factor, the height your forearm sits at matters a lot too, my forearm rests on my chair arm rest and not on the table, when I just got the cair I put the height of the arm wrest at the table lvl and my hand started hurting after a few hours of gaming so I raised the arm rest a bit over the table and that solved the problem, now my wrist doesn't hurt even after 10 hours of gaming.

I know mostly nothing about PC, even after gaming for 30 years, I dont understand the tech you're explaining but still its super entertaining and I love binge watching your videos.

Thank you very much for your output! I myself have been noticining some carpel tunel thingys i my right arm and am gonna try a vetical mouse I bought for my mom, since she now uses a trackball one. I hope my wrist gets better!

I have wanted a vertical gaming mouse for years now! I love the idea since I got to use vertical mice a lot at home after my dad had to get a wrist surgery from using normal mice for years, and I just love the feel and accuracy of a vertical mouse. One thing my dad also did to further improve his ergonomics in his workplace was to get one lefty and one right-handed vertical mouse and train to use the lefty version, so he can just switch mice and relax the other hand.

I currently don and occasionally use a Logitech MX MASTER 2S mouse and it does offer a lot more wrist relief for longer pc sessions for me. I only game generally for a ~4hrs max and notice much more relief on my wrist and forearm with the MX MASTER 2S mouse even when gaming over my Razer Viper and Finalmouse Phantom

thank you for this video i didnt even know these existed. my carpal tunnel is so bad it feels like somebody stabbing my bones up and down my whole arm and it goes numb. i ordered one right after the vid ended.

No vertical mouse for me yet, but using a nice solid gel filled wrist rest has helped me SO much. I bet the combination of the two would be amazing.

A few years ago playing diablo I kept getting complaints from the family that I was clicking too much and was annoying everyone. I had a wacom bamboo tablet that I used instead and was great for games like that. Took a bit of getting used to tho. Also love the channel Dawid, found you a year a so ago while recovering from an op, oh how you brightened up the days. Keep it up.

I think your preferred grip also matters for this a lot. I always used the claw grip, and when I do that, regardless of my mouse choice, I find myself with my hand at pretty much a 45 degree angle from the desk, even when idling. Add to this an even slightly angled mouse, like any modern gaming mouse is, and I'm completely fine.

I would recommend you try the mx vertical as I want to see another vertical mouse review from you

funny as always👍🤣👍how`s the 64core PC coming along?

Same I've used Nostromo type keypads for gaming too, can't play without them.

This is crazy I was just about to buy a vertical mouse for both gaming and work but I wasn't sure so I held on and then this video is popped up

I bought a random $25 vertical gaming mouse from Amazon about six months ago and I liked it so much I got a second for home. My carpal tunnel pain is gone and the mouse looks weird enough that no one tries to touch it.

been playing with an evoluent over the past year, the first month i kept switching back to the gaming mouse but after that getting used to period, i never went back, been on the vertical evoluent ever since for everything, games and work

Okay, but how about trying it with the stationary trackball mice? Would love to see you do some gaming with those.

I have regular wrist pain as well. I've tried ergonomic mice in the past but most of them are too big for my hand size. Might have to give the Lift a try.

I bought a vertical gaming mouse (yes with RGB and yes a cheap Chinese import) from Amazon which adjustable DPI to deal with my wrist pain (arthritis) and have been having a good time with it. It does take a few weeks to really get used to the change in format but the pain reduction is very much worth it. I think I may need to buy some of those feet to try on mine as it does sometimes feel like it sticks to my mouse pad.

i daily drive a logitech MX ergo trackball due to carpel tunnel concerns, switching to my gaming mouse of choice for games, it helped me alot.

Can’t wait for dawid to go on his sweaty gamer training arc

I once tested the MX Vertical, but quickly returned it. It had such a slow polling rate of 125hz, it was unuseable as a gaming mouse. So I switched to a "normal" superlight gaming mouse which was also an improvement for my arm.

that button right under the scroll wheel, is the scroll toggle. it makes it click. I only ever set my logitech mice to infinity scroll when I have a giant webpage or document to get to the bottom of. If yours does not click, then its either broken or disabled though software or something

Went through the same experience a couple of years back after much pain and went through the Logitech Lift and equivalents. Very much same experience around recharging and then after a couple of alternatives I ended up ordering a purple "Seenda Ergonomic Mouse Bluetooth". Has a usb-c charger (includes braided cable), works on bluetooth or included wireless dongle and just works for less than 30 quid. Only issue is if you smash it into the keyboard and it switches from wireless to bluetooth. Have been through a number of other makes like DeLux and Mojo but happy with this.

My workplace gave us the option of having a Lift over a regular mouse, and I decided to take a chance on it. I really like it! It is kind of tall though, and I have knocked it over a few times.

@MarcoS-ue7og

7 ай бұрын

same here lol poof there it goes

I went down a similar rabbit hole a few years ago, but I want a more ergonomic mmo mouse and/or a trackball mouse. I ended up Frankensteining one but it ended up having a number of issues. I'm saving now for an Azeron cryo.

I also have an Mx master 3s and I use it for gaming. I really like how easy and simple it is to use.

Thanks, that was very formative.

I use the Lift for daily office work and it has been amazing for work. I keep a Razer Viper for gaming but my wrist starts to protest after a few hours on that so a gaming orientated vertical is definitely a concept I would consider.

The ergonomic mouse/mice i use are the Logitech Trackball's with the most ergonomic being the MX Ergo. I would still prefer the M575 over it as i dont like the accidental angle changes i do and it is a much lighter than the MX Ergo. There is also the trackball sensitivity button near the trackball that very often gets hit in a firefight making death inevitable.

You know if you really wanted a vertical mouse like experience, the Ragnok Gun Mouse is a good consideration. It's basically a mouse in gun grip fashion. Pretty interesting too 😂

I have been using the MX vertical for many years now, it was a game changer, I haven't had any Carpal tunnel pains since. What I do is use the vertical for work and a normal mouse for private use, I feel like it is good to change position, might be nonsense though.

I tried a few wrist supports...the deltahub carpio and a generitc cheap black one....I found cutting the cheap black one in the middle and filling it with yoga mat material felt the best to use and it also slide around the smoothest...the delta fits snug but isnt helping wit the pins/needles feeling that comes. I use a G502x and would consider to replace it with a like for like vertical version (with the extra functions and buttons) if they made one.

Heh, I was starting to have issues with my wrists a couple years ago. I actually moved to trackballs. After a couple months practice, I am just as good in shooters as I was with a regular mouse. The Elecom Huge was my first go-to. Now the ProtoArc EM03 is my favorite. The Elecom Huge needed a mod with some real ceramic bearings (Craft Computing has a video on it), and I feel the EM03 could probably benefit from a similar mod (Bearing size is different though). Maybe a future video for you!? Play games with a trackball for month?

I bought a used g903 lightspeed to mod into a vertical mouse... need to start that project

That one is nice, but I found the Evoluent Vertical Mouse 4 Right as a gaming mouse to help improve my gaming session length; it works great at keeping the wrist/arm in proper posture meaning less pain over long sessions. I have learned to use it well for gaming and it DOES have a DPI selector! Give it a try, you will love it!

@HappyBeezerStudios

7 ай бұрын

The most stressing part for me is weight. And no, I'm not one of these "everything over 70g is useless" extremists, but having to lift the mouse does put stress on the fingers and during long sessions that can become (temporarily) painful. But the games I usually play benefit from more buttons on the mouse, and by now I'm used to having at least 3 ones additional to the default 5 (LMB, RMB, wheel, M4, M5)

I was thinking about something like you get with the Legion handheld, lol

Did you insert a "Qui-Gon Wow" from Charlie Hopkins in your sponsorship part? Wow!

Never experienced that, though it looks confi so i am looking forward to getting one in thr future.

I actually found this mouse & thought it would make a great video for you after watching your gaming with a pen video. glad to see you thought the same

I just ordered the lift. I game with an Elite Series 2 controller but I’ve always wanted to switch to kb/mouse. There is one very popular “gaming” vertical mouse called the Delux Seeker”. I just give it a try as well.

I had severe carpal and can confirm that a vertical mouse did help it very much. Nowadays, it comes back once in a while, but it is not as nearly as severe. Also tried this simple exercise: take the top portion of your hands (opposite of the palms) and push them upwards on an object like the bottom of your desk. This is the opposite pressure that you do when you press on a regular mouse. I find this helps also.

I actually got the MX Vertical for my office space and haven't had any carpal tunnel or wrist pain in general. It's not the most precise, definitely not for gaming, but perfect for casual office work.

i got the MX Master 3S last year and i love it! It is so comfortable, but i never use the vertical scroll wheel because i have no use for it

You should try some lightweight options like the Deathadder v3 wireless or "DAv3" for short.

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He stated the angle on the MX Master was too shallow to have any noticeable improvement. The DA is even flatter.

Love that Paul Bunyan look Dawid

That was a really interesting video!

I have that MX master and the button behind the middle scroll wheel does make the scroll click.

i boght a vertical mouse a few weeks ago because of wrist pain. im very happy with it and the pain is mostly gone

The button just behind the scroll wheel on the MX Master mouse toggles the clicky scroll. It also disengages the clicky scroll if you spin the wheel really fast and then it reengages when it comes to a stop (the child in me sometimes likes to spin it up really fast and see how long it will go before stopping :)). I've used these mice for prodictivity and gaming uses for many years and I can't imagine using anything else now.

I've been using a cheap Anker ergonomic mouse since 2015. My wrist went from sounding like a cement mixer to having the occasional click. Almost never get pain in it any more.

hey Dawid! You should try the logi mx ergo ;) it's a trackball but it's so confortable! and I'm curious about your feedback

Surprisingly good results!

As an owner of MX Master 3, the button above is set by default to change from smooth to clicky. And if you give it a whirl the clicky setting will still scroll freely allowing you to adjust/scroll further effortlessly. If you download the app it will allow you to adjust settings per app. God I love that mouse

Hi Dawid, you should try the Joy Con Mouse Thingy of the Legion Go.

Hi Dawid, I am now interested in trying a vertical mouse. Can you also review the MX Vertical mouse and Review it against the MX Lift? Also, the button behind the scroll wheel on the MX Master should toggle clicks on the scroll wheel.

Now you have to really try the Ragnok 2 which is like a pistol grip mouse to see how does it compare and how's the comfort of it after long hours of use...

Wow 😮 I'm super intrigued by your video.. I'm actually having problems with carpal dogs barking too. An I'm in the market for a new mouse. Now I'm rethinking that 502x plus 🤔

I would definitely like to try a higher quality version of the vertical mouse, I think it would be a good fit for my HOSAM setup.