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@montecorbit8280

Жыл бұрын

Why use mutt?? PINE is much better, and the Pico editor is so nice!!

You are so lucky you can choose. For me - there is only one option, Thunderbird, for it is the only client that supports bidi/rtl (Right to Left text). This is so sad in the linux world, many apps don't support rtl properly 😢

@lVlonkberry

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Even though some terminal emulators such as Konsole surprisingly do support right to left text, it's almost never been relevant in my experience as all CLI tools are often in English, and most interactions with RTL Text / Languages occur when using GUI apps anyways.

@alicealysia

Жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 there's a depressing saying among the coding community, "Anyone can code, as long as they speak english"

@KN-ck2kd

Жыл бұрын

I saw a comment on another video on this channel about Office Suites for Linux saying that Libre Office is effectively the only option for Arabic text. It's a real shame that right-to-left text doesn't have wide support in the Linux community. As a student of Arabic I really hope this changes in the future!

@mithrandirthegrey7644

9 ай бұрын

@@alicealysia Who's stopping you from writing a coding language in any other language? Also, it's not even true. Coding is like mathematics - the symbols could be anything - they are pretty much irrelevant. Yes it's more intuitive for an English speaker to read "for x in y do z" but anyone who is smart enough to learn coding will jump through that hump and accept that "for" means [insert word in your language] very quickly. I have tons of Chinese colleagues who are rock star programmers but their English is atrocious.

@mytech6779

6 ай бұрын

​@@alicealysia English is simply the global lingua franca of the 20th and 21st centuries. English may be 3rd in the number of native speakers, but it is a distant first place in the number of speakers as a second language. Many people use it when neither of them is a native speaker of English. All airtraffic control and commercial pilots around the world must speak a minimum subset of english by international treaty. Esperanto never caught on, and English happens to have both wide physical distribution in the world and high compatibility with with computer technology because of the written structure, it is also a fairly flexible language (although this makes natural spelling inconsistent). Working with non-latin text adds a huge amount of extra work, it is an issue of manipulating the encoded bits and bytes efficiently at a low level, and then creating a graphical script or composed complex glyphs for display at a high level. Not to mention English doesn't add the additional complexity of language features like diglossia.(Japan has three written systems plus a version of the latin alphabet, and they often mix them in a single block of text.) Some forms of Arabic change the shape of letters based on where they are in a word. As an aside some Korean airlines have switched to only English in the cockpit because certain formalities of Korean were interfering with best practice crew interactions and creating increased risk to the flight. This has been an issue in other countries too. English tends to be very direct, especially when spoken as a second language which reduces ambiguity. In other languages(partly cultural not just the language) especially when interacting between a junior and senior, concerns are only implied never stated directly and sometimes not at all. You want the copilot to speak directly if they see the captain making a mistake, many planes have crashed as a result of the copilot failing to clearly state a problem that they noticed. Similarly programming a computer works best with direct clear instructions.

Bluemail routes all of your emails through their servers before delivering them like many webmail based clients in a desktop wrapper (usually electron). Best to avoid imho

I use Geary. It's very important though to unsub from all the email lists you're potentially subbed to when using a client because it doesn't just send notifications for "Primary" emails. You basically want to ensure that almost eveery email you get is something you care about. Unless you do that, most email clients will be a pain

@itachi2011100

2 жыл бұрын

That's the reason I stopped using it.

@ent2220

2 жыл бұрын

@@itachi2011100 I did the above and use mostly a client now. I have about 5 emails I need to keep an eye on too and the ability to get a notification, click on it and for the client to be really fast (like they usually are) is invaluable. It takes work to unsub / blacklist everything but it's worth it imo and especially if you have multiple emails.

In my opinion this is one of the most important videos of any linux desktop topic. Email is still sadly so fundamental part of computing. Great execution, thanks!

@obvious_humor

2 жыл бұрын

why "sadly"?

@aravindpallippara1577

2 жыл бұрын

​@@obvious_humor aye the most standardised system which no monolithic system controls - isn't it cause to celebrate?

2 жыл бұрын

@@obvious_humor Yeah that sadly also kinda bugged me, all the replacement "options" are much more disruptive, and mostly all walled gardens.

@jimbo-dev

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly because email hosting is an old boys club. If you self host, your mails will likely be sometimes rejected for no reason. The email standard is so old that the only way to protect yourself from spam is to reject all unknown senders and that's what the big providers do. (Even spammers configure their servers properly nowadays) So you have to be a known email provider in order to become an email provider which gets the mail delivered reliably. And there are no FOSS email providers which actually primarily provide email services against money. I don't want to pay with my data. I don't want free service, because I cannot know if it is sustainable. And I don't want a service which advertises privacy as their main selling point if that means they have custom encryption algorithm which requires me to use their client. And the encryption is often useless because it only works between the users of that service. Matrix is better for this use case. Yes technically there are services which sell email as a service with open source components which do fully work with standard imap clients, but email is designed to be so that each user actually provides their own domain. Domains are cheap. And if you use some domain you don't control, then you are locked to some provider which ruins the point of having distributed system. In the end email is just basic internet packets which are formatted and processed in certain way, so the cost of a paid service should reflect that. There's no way that server and bandwith cost would exceed for example 50€/month for single email user with two accounts on my own domain. I can get a dedicated server for that price with 20TB of bandwith. And email doesn't support html5 or markdown. There's no standardized threading so mailing lists lack usability. And the security of internet accounts often relies only on email and that puts pressure on the security so getting new innovations becomes even more difficult. I hope I managed to explain why I don't really like email, but I would be so happy if some of you could prove me wrong. And currently I am hosting my own email servers, because I don't have any other options even though that is very time consuming

@aravindpallippara1577

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbo-dev that is a valid reason - but we are in the sad state where there is no alternative, because any good modern alternative will not be very profit intensive for any established player I am still thankful for email's existence

Good content, as always. Not so detailed that the video was too long, but a concise overview of each client. Nice.

your videos really helped a lot in my "linux" journey

@danielmitchell5615

2 жыл бұрын

same!!

Thank you so much for this one, I haven't been able to decide on a Linux email client yet so here's hoping this video helps 🤞

The "You're HIRED!" email contents was quite funny. I'm surprised you took the time to write that, but the attention to detail is appreciated!

While Thunderbird might look a bit dated compared to some of the other email clients, a couple of things I like about it - if something happens to your system (be it windows or Linux), or you decide to change distros, it's quite easy to copy config files and email messages over the top of a new install and have it back up and running in no time at all like it never happened. - lots of plug-in add-ons - a great folder structure can be created if you work or archive by years making it easy to hide older emails that you "might" need to reference.

@mrt77wv

9 ай бұрын

The "dated" look is why I like it so much. Reminds me of using Eudora in 1996.

@mithrandirthegrey7644

9 ай бұрын

Except it's terrible and it doesn't sync well with double authorization like work inboxes tend to be. The calendar doesn't work at all.

@peterschmidt9942

9 ай бұрын

@@mithrandirthegrey7644 Never had an issue with it. And I don't need a calendar in an email client.

Thanks for the email client reviews. You have saved me the trouble of installing and testing all the various clients. Gonna go with Thunderbird.

Thanks for the Geary recommendation. I recently switched to Gnome and it works quite well for me.

I already wrote angry message about not having Mutt section. At least it got a mention...

8:28 Vertical layout (email content at the top, email list at the bottom, or vice versa) is absolutely amazing to use on a vertical monitor! You need to try it some time ^^ Thunderbird supports this kind of layout as well

I used to run thunderbird for almost 20 years, but switched 2 years ago to evolution, as i ran into problems getting gmail to run on thunderbird prior to the “restart”. I might have to look again at it. Thank you for making me aware of this change to the development team.

Good to see Thunderbird is not abandoned, I used it for years before ditching it in favour of accessing my email from my browser.

This was a good overview, though I think Claws Mail was worth a mention, too. Can you do a video on how to set up PGP encryption on the mail clients that support it?

@BulukEtznab

2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I wanted to ask, too - since Nick only mentioned PGP with KMail Client, but it's also available and pretty well implemented in Thunderbird, too. I would be curious to know how well and easy it's implemented in the others he mentioned in this video.

@BoGy1980

2 жыл бұрын

In thunderbird it's pretty straighforward. Btw don't forget that both ends need to support it. And in principle you can use any client you want if u're using a third-party app for pgp. Most people that are new to pgp also forget you need to have the public key from the receiver/destinary before one can encrypt a mail. And pgp users should also mention their pubkey in the footer of the mail. (I have a link below my email adres for that file so anyone getting a mail from me can easily obtain it. I also sign all outgoing mail, non-pgp users can still read my mails, though I sometimes get asked what that small attachment is for; which is how I try to get people interested in starting to use pgp themselves too. (that attachment is a small .asc file which is my digital pgp signature.) I've also got a mime signature which comes with my id-card, but that is only signature; no encryption. I use that one for sending official mails that are lawfully the same as a signed hand-written letter/document. So TLDR: I Use pgp for secure communication and MIME for official signing mail and documents.

I didn't know I needed that Bluemail feature for categorising your email for when you want to handle them until I saw this video. Very interesting

Evolution is my favourite! I love how it feels like the classic Microsoft Outlook versions did. Also, it supports Exchange which I need for university!

@pb8582

Жыл бұрын

Evolution is by far the best I used ews for work and its work so good

Super cool music in the outtro 🥳

10:08 I like that MailSpring window titlebar name ;)

@daistarry

2 жыл бұрын

You should read all the emails he show then. He made one for each client he showed. It's the TLEU ! "The Linux Experiment Universe" :D

My mail provider has a very clean Webinterface but I have never been a person for those. Under Windows, Xfce and LXDE/LXQt it is always Thunderbird for me, under Plasma I love Kmail for the reasons you mentioned and back when I used GNOME2/MATE, Evolution used to be the best (yet clunky) solution to me. I just love when my mail client integrates well with the rest of my computer's OS.

„Standard“ Thunderbird user. As someone using different DEs on different devices, I am very happy about apps with an agnostic layout. So to me, this is definitely a pro. Maybe I check out one of the other mail clients that are neither kde nor gnome. And regarding the „loud“ people who prefer the dark theme, the fact that the light theme is standard makes it inherently necessary to be „louder“. Cause if there are problems with a basic theme feature, then it is about not switching to a dark theme. Also a lot of the people who use the light theme are people who do not care about the theme, and it is really not hard to be „louder“ than people who don’t care ;)

@PixLgams

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty biased because of the place I'm writing this in, but this explains a lot about why Linux users get lumped together with macOS users about being vocal. They're simply not using Windows.

@dand337

2 жыл бұрын

Same, I think that it's superior to have coherent app ecosystem built on the same toolkit, but third-party applications shouldn't be a necessity. Windows sucks, because the latest version is basically win 7+8+10+11 in terms of system apps

ok. I had to rewatch to read all the email to the other Nick. this is awesome! please integrate other Nick in your future videos!! he should get a raise :)

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

Hahah he should definitely be paid, but then again, maybe it's now Other Nick talking!

Sir, your email conversations with "Other Nick" are freaking hilarious! Thank you for the dash of humor in this video ;)

Great summary, Nick. But i have to add a voice for Claws. Simple yet powerful and configures to almost all providers including Gmail, Yahoo, outlook, etc. Thanks for another informative video.

thank you It is very helpful

I hope Other Nick gets those vacation days

Hopefully Thunderbird gets a nice make over for the UI...the 90's called they want their ui back

@tf2368

2 жыл бұрын

They updated the UI over the last year, it still looks like trash

@AcidiFy574

2 жыл бұрын

what's wrong with the UI?? I would like 2 C Ur UI-Design??

@DeeezNuts

2 жыл бұрын

i really dont care about the UI, just need it to stay up in background and start on startup, i have it to check on startup but i've never received a notification in my life i have to manual open and wait 10 secs for it to load it stuff then i can read emails

@5Hydroxytryptophan

2 жыл бұрын

I actually like the old looking, but functional UI. Most of the time newer UIs are less usable.. I'm looking at you Windows 10.. There is a major overhaul planned.. I think it lands next year.

@pw1187

2 жыл бұрын

@@AcidiFy574 it literally looks like something from the 90s.... And with your argument hopefully you never complain about the police the military or anything that you don't actually make... Just because I don't design UI's (well my awsome WM is not bad ) doesn't mean I can't spot one that is long in the tooth when I see one

I've been a Thunderbird user since it was a companion to FireBird (nearly 20 years now, god I'm old). It's amazing that after all these years they STILL don't have a backup and restore tool.

@linuxlover_8436

2 жыл бұрын

that seems to be the current philosophy of most software devs imho. I think web browsers as an example should have a lot more built-in functionality that only add-on devs seem to be addressing, but that can be a security risk if the dev is nefarious w/their intention for the add-on (even if that's an unlikely scenario). Browsers seem to be constructed of a patchwork of insecure libraries/dependencies which become more bloated over time, with very to little concern, if any, of user's hardware. A pc that is hardwired or relatively fast, but may be older or new with limited specs, may experience slower internet than years past just b/c of the way software is being (inefficiently) designed in many areas. Devs may be relying too heavily on particular company(ies) creating the standards rather than thinking about it all in an open source consortium kind of consensus. Even the FLOSS community maybe too friendly and impressionable to parties offering "free" technology. I'm speaking in general as I don't want to nitpick any particular app and don't want to say every new software is terrible.

Started using Thunderbird when I moved to W7. I’m not particularly fussed about the look/feel uniformity - as long as it doesn’t look completely s##t then it’s ok. Now my daily driver dual-boots W10 and Mint as I envisage moving fully to Mint when W10 expires. It’s really great to have my Thunderbird mail sit on the W10 file system but to be able to access it from Mint and so keep my mail up to date no matter which OS I’m working in.

@zebop917

2 жыл бұрын

@Ozhika I spent a lot of time trying to work it out and it turned out to be much easier than I thought. Put an entry in /etc/fstab to automatically mount your Windows disk when Linux boots - Google will show you how. Then open the Thunderbird Profiles Manager from the command line with $ thunderbird -ProfileManager . Click to create a new profile, then point it at the mail profile on your Windows file system.

Love the application from Nick. He seems like a nice Guy ;)

I appreciate your demented sample emails.

Great job on that ear vfx!

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

Other Nick is really good

I really like the fact that you have a summary in the description... Exactly what you need when you don't have the time to finish the video Also I generally enjoy most of your videos! Keep it up!!

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

I’m a long-time Thunderbird user (but more passively; have never really looked into plugins except for dictionary/language support packages). I NEED this conversations package, will install it asap!

super like this geary , tnx

Geary

Why does KZread not want me to share my opinion in that using Mutt combined with Thunderbird is actually pretty useful?

@RainbowVision

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, my comment didn't get autodeleted this time 😂

@manuelrivera6778

2 жыл бұрын

Mutt???? Do tell what is that and how is it useful? I might try it and maybe adopt it into my workflow!

@RainbowVision

2 жыл бұрын

@@manuelrivera6778 it's a terminal based email client, but it's not for everyone. Basically if you want to squeeze every last drop of productivity out of your day, you might find it useful. There's lots of articles on how to set it up 🙂

@manuelrivera6778

2 жыл бұрын

@@RainbowVision interesting 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Thank you!

@linuxlover_8436

2 жыл бұрын

@@RainbowVision I know that feeling very well

I've tried all of these clients. As much as I don't like the look of the interface, Evolution is the only one that really worked well with Exchange, and I'll use webmail for pretty much any other account. It would be nice if the devs would clean up the interface and make it a bit more modern.

Used Thunderbird until switching to Alpine Linux (in their testing repo but could never get it to work on my system). Started using Sylpheed as a result, which works perfectly for my needs.

Okay, I need to read that entire email exchange between Nick and The Other Nick

while not open source, I find myself using Outlook but having it installed as a webapp / PWA. Works lovely and saves having to remember multiple different systems when at work or at home.

@nicholash8021

Жыл бұрын

100% agreed. This is the best solution IMHO, and I feel like it's even faster than the native desktop app.

@nicholash8021

Жыл бұрын

BTW, when you have it open, you can hit F11 to maximize it and get rid of the title bar. Super nice full-screen version of outlook. Just F11 to restore it to normal size. It's better than using the OS's native full-screen option if you're solely going through emails.

Perfect timing!

I hope they don't change the Thunderbird interface too much. The classic look is why I still use it. If it were up to me, I'd still be using Eudora but that's not possible. Current Thunderbird is the next best thing for me.

@bufordmaddogtannen

Жыл бұрын

Eudora would still beat any client when it comes to showing you what it's doing from when it connects to the mail server to when it closes connection. 🙂

I love the email to 'other Nick' at min 7:28. Very funny!

Thanks for the tiny mention of mutt :D

Hvala!

Thunderbird is very good Outlook replacement, and I started to use it even on Windows because Mail is horrible and Outlook clunky. It kinda does too much for me but it works great. Exchange support is not bulletproof (especially if your company doesn't know, how to set ports properly), Google integration is very good.

hey you forgot to say that Thunderbird supports MIME encoding and PGP encoding by default, with also a fantastic keymanager

other nick really did some good post effects on your ear, wouldn't have spotted it if I didn't know!

I have used Thunderbird for a long time, ever since I moved off OS/2. It does great filtering, and is able to filter my already downloaded email, via a manual initiation, my email from certain local vendors based on date. So if their email is out of date in 3 days or a week, it can grab them and move to trash. And it can do a lot more. I want my software to work for me, and don't particularly care what it looks like. Thunderbird works for me.

KMail looks very much up my alley... also, those e-mails look like an excellent Halloween special lol

I literally searched for this exact this an hour ago on the internet. And here comes Nick to the rescue 😂

Great overview - seems I am going to stick with Tunderbird :D

Important for newbies: Thunderbird has the tendency of making you install the Owl for Exchange extension right off the bat if you're configuring an Exchange mailbox the easy way. Do it the hard way with help from a tutorial online, otherwise, Owl will be installed, and the issue with that is that Owl is PAID, it only works for 30 days before it asks for payment.

I am really happy about this video because to compare distros all the time is stressfull! Programs are important, not spend too many time in O.S.

mutt mention‽ Such love 💖

Since I switched to linux in 2010, I tried a few mail clients, like Thunderbird, Slypheed, Geary and windows mail. Now that I'm back from windows 10 to ubuntu, I'm trying Springmail. Thunderbird was not bad after I set up a flat theme, but the layout is a bit too outdated now. Sylpheed gets the job done, but I think at that point I could as well go to mutt. Geary was rather nice under gnome 3, but I had many stability issues, until I dropped it completely. When I was in W10, the default mail client was my choice, and it was working well, being clean and going straight to the point. And when I went back to ubuntu, since W10 is slowly going toward its end of support, I wanted something similar but more stable than Geary. And that's where I try Springmail. So far, not too bad. Sure, it looks like an apple app, and I can't easily make a folder as read, but it seems to be quite close to the windows mail.

J'ai beaucoup ri à la lecture des mails à destination de The Other Nick. Very nice and interesting video. Greetings from France.

Ah good ole tight shirt Nick giving us the good open source Linowledge and Linformation.

Been using bluemail for years on my Android. Now I know it's available for Linux too!

If just Thunderbrid was look like Geary or Mail of elementary OS it was the best e-mail app ever!!!

I actually really like Mailspring, but I am looking for a new client currently (thanks for this video!) because it constantly uses 15% CPU when idling, spiking occasionally (probably to check for mail?).

The co-CEO email was an awesome easter egg😂😂😂

It requires some entry effort, but nothing is as simple, customizable, well-integrated, and rewarding as managing your emails and agenda with Emacs+mu4e+org-mode+iSync!

Thunderbird and others need to add exchange support natively!!!!!!!!! This is a must have feature for corporate users.

thanks for this Nick! I didn't know about the nextcloud integration on Thunderbird! Is there one for kmail? also, would be good to go into how to keep a copy of your email on nextcloud folders as active backup away from the Gmail or other providers.

@TheLinuxEXP

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen one for Kmail, but maybe it exists!

I've moved a few people off of Outlook/ and onto Thunderbird. As long as they didn't need to use it as a PIM and just an email client they were fine though I hear that area has been expanding with better calendar support and such. They liked that it supported multiple versions of Windows with the same appearance and was available outside Windows while maintaining that consistency. I haven't been happy about the replacement of enigmail; Thunderbird's OpenPGP support is still lacking in a number of ways to where I have to export/import my key from gpg2 even for a basic renew expiration date. If I recall, didn't they still not encrypt the private key on disk? Thanks for mentioning mutt; Wonder if the original `mail` is still a thing.

I use Thunderbird on my personal desktop, but Evolution on my work laptop. Mostly because Evolution has great support for Microsoft Exchange servers and also Office 365 pretty much out of the box and everything like appointments with different people and tasks just work great. Important for me, because I am the only Linux user in a mostly Microsoft dominated company haha

This is literally the exact problem I was trying to figure out this morning, after some issues with Thunderbird desktop integration

Thunderbird is *perfect*!

I use Evolution, since it supports all functions I need; like email; contacts; calendar (birthdays); task lists

Guys here help please. I can't send gmail emails from Thunderbird. It doesn't work on 2 different machines (Mint and brand new Kubuntu). Any reinstall, reconfig, fixes can't help. What to do?

Ni Nick, something I've had problems with for years, no matter the OS I'm running. But every third party e-mail client I get has a tendency to mess with iCloud's default folder behavior. They'll create their own folders on the IMAP server. They mess up everything, putting things in local folders, putting messages in unique folders, etc. I'm an iPhone user that uses Linux, Windows, and MacOS. But my main personal e-mail is an iCloud address. I also, like most people, have a GMail address as well. So, if it plays nicely with Gmail too, all the better. Which e-mail client do you recommend that will not screw with the default iCloud IMAP folder behavior? Bonus points if it has a unified Inbox!

I am a happy evolution user would just enjoy an update to newer design guidelines.

I don't know why I never tried KMail, but now I finally did and on first impression it is great. Definitely looks better and is way more customizable than TB.

How do the clients look from security and privacy standpoint? Thunderbird has some options to block stuff, which I guess is also capable of blocking requests to external hosts (when attempting to load an image or something).

wow, that covers a lot

this dropped just when i needed to move from windows mail

Microsoft Outlook Express was my favourite but I switched to Thunderbird as the closest replacement.

2:25 as an unnemployed graduate, im not sure if me applying for a job in your channel would be a great move... love your easter eggs bits btw

wow, Safing have pretty good services

Thank you. Does anyone know which client can import .PST files from an old outlook account?

I missed any comments on the three-four mail clients in Emacs. It can run in both graphic environment and in text terminal.

I used thunderbird + calendar provider for Google + cardBook to have access to google mail, contacts and calendar. I have a total of about 7 various IMAP email accounts. I have used it to copy 100s of MB of email messages from one account to another. I share one set of thunderbird (~/.thunderbird) data files between multiple distros, which has not caused me any issues. I don't particularly like the UI, but I don't particularly care either :0).

I've had spotty luck with Kontact as a Flatpak. I wanted to use it on my Pop!_OS or Fedora GNOME install, but it was super slow and didn't seem to have all the bundled libraries.

Good time for this video with the Thunderbird UI revamp. I'm looking for alternatives as I detest the new look. 😅

I use mailspring, but I'm going to check out kmail again; I use separate Morgan for calendar.

I like evolution eu lot. Thunderbird is good, too.

I've used Thunderbird for a long time, but now i switched to Evolution, since Thunderbird feels and behaves old. I'm gonna give Geary a try.

never tried anything other than thunderbird and had no idea thunderbird will be releasing major update in the future, so will stick with thunderbird

Succinct overview. I like BlueMail a lot. Thanks for the overview!

Wait. Wasn't BlueMail (at least on Android) the ones that send your login credentials for your E-Mail(s) to their servers (unencrypted at that)?

Also, I love the "I cut my ear off" message. ROFLMBO

We really need a mailclient with native EWS support, as it is the defacto industry standard.

Thunderbird doesn't play well with outlook account I was facing issues with it and then switched to geary

any idea how to build ur own repositry for linux mint? to serve mint pc's in ur own network to save on data, uno download once then update all pc's in ur network. Maybe using one dedicated pc to run it.

Claws Mail is worth a look

@madthumbs1564

2 жыл бұрын

Lightweight, keyboard driven (optional).

Thunderbird just needs to be freshen up and then it's a good Outlook competitor! Also for Windows users.