APP can stack images taken with duo band filters and you can stack separate HA and OIII channels and you can combine them in APP

As a beginner in this area I value your opinion. Thanks for another great video. This is definitely a hobby not for the faint of heart. I have found a new appreciation for the amount of dedication and time involved. And of course the money. I commend all the efforts of all the people like yourself who share and pass on the tips tricks and information needed. I am truly hooked and love every minute of this demanding hobby. Thanks again.

I did just like you mentioned in the video. When I first started doing astrophotography, I went the route of DSS (which I also recommend for beginners). It did a really good job, and still does, but I wasn't really happy with the final results and I am still learning photoshop. I gave the 30-day trial of APP a go, and after only a week of restacking older data I found out it was totally worth the cost. APP was a real game-changer for me. Tried the trial of Pixinsight, but everything about it confused the hell out of me and I could not justify the cost. I realize this is more of a me-problem than a PI-problem, as it is no doubt a great piece of software with amazing capabilities. I will definitely give it another try at a later time.

I started out in DSS but quickly moved to PI. As you mentioned they advise manual stacking. It worked great but the manual workflow would consume an entire afternoon for something like LRGB. I now stack everything in APP as I can start it for complex multi-channel, multi-session and do something else while it crunches away. Likewise, I used its light pollution, color calibration, combine RGB, and HSL for narrowband. Everything after this I take to PI.

Lovely intro to a complex area, thank you.

Hi Tim. Great video, now I use DSS for Stacking and processing by PI & PS.

What about SiriL?

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Did not look at it yet, will try in the future!

You've convinced me to jump from DSS to APP, those post stacking tools just look way too good to not have, now I just need to gather up 250 Canadian pesos to get it... soonish, just ordered some new equipment so I'll need to wait to add this tool to my collection, thanks!

Great comparison.

Awesome picture, by the way!

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you like it

I'm intrigued by APP, still haven't bought it yet. For my personal workflow I still go with integration in DSS and post in Pixinsight, DSS can stack multiple object as lists and spit out drizzled images without having me manually intervene, and the result compared to pixinsight is negligible when fully processed

I also am using SIRIL Beta with the new GUI. I like the scripts for stacking and it does a fantastic job. Also the processing features as far as noise reduction, background extraction....etc. is similar to Pix from what I understand but MUCH more simple to use. Then I use GIMP to finish up. All free!

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

New GUI? I will take another look at it

@TritonFrontier17

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict sounds good. I have not run into any bugs but Siril programmers warn that we can run into bugs because it is beta version. Also there are some new videos posted on KZread introducing the new Siril GUI and point out all the features.

I use DSS and Pixinsight. Kind of happy with this combination. ;)

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, very fun to use!

I stack my mobile images on Sequator

Hi Tim, another great video! Well done... 👍👍👍I started with DSS and later moved to APP. In app I love the subscription of 50€ per year. I think it gives me really great results without even complex. By the way have you done a video on post processing in photoshop or gimp? This is an area I really struggle with... thanks for your great work

Thanks mate! I find that APP removes hot pixels way more effectively than DSS. I dither, but can't be bothered with darks after every session, with APP you can use pretty much any old darks and I bet it it would do a good job with none.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

True! Handling Dark is much easier with APP

Instead of doing visual comparison, you can align the three stack, crop and run them in pixinsight subframe selector to get more accurate measurements, I find APP gives the best star eccentricity for my data.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Tha twould've exceeded the timeframe of the video, i think

I prefer SIRIL. First of all because it works on Linux, and second, I liked it more than IRIS for example, which looks like some raw homebrew app. SIRIL is a serious tool for stacking astrophoto.

I like Siril too

Great video Tim, really enjoyed it. I'm an astrophotography virgin. I've photographed the night sky including the Milky Way, but I've never been satisfied with the results. I'm going to try DSS. How does it cope with light pollution?

Thanks for the review. I'll just stick to DSS then.

Excellent review/comparison. I agree that its strange that people buy mounts and cameras for many sousends of dollars but wont pay 230 euro for a program that enables them to stack an edit. Having said that i can't see myself getting into pixi in the near future as it looks extremely complicated.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

You don't need the book, my series is based on it, check it out😉

Hi Tim! I use siril and it has a few nice tools like color calibration, I would like to try PI, would you say that for a beginner the trial period is enough to learn it? Clear skies!

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the trial period is good enough to familiarize

I use deep sky stacker and seqator depending on what I want to do

Funny, I'm dealing with this issue right now. I have found that for galaxies DSS seems to work best, but for nebula I get better results with pixinsight. I'm a newbie though and might have gotten settings messed up in PI.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah stacking in pix is a whole different story

Hi Tim, Clear and concise video. I've been using AutoStakkert with good results, but don't know how it "stacks up" to the ones you review. I would appreciate your comments on how it compares.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

I have only used AutoStakkert for Lunar images, and from i've seen there, i don't plan to use it for deep sky

Thanks a lot for yet another great video. I have a question though: as a hobbyist, why pay into proprietary software that locks you out of an important part of the fun? What makes DSS so great is that in 2018 it became open source, which enable checking out how things are implemented and making any modification.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Why should you take a look into the source code?

@comeraczy2483

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict first to know how things are implemented. Image processing is one important aspect of the hobby and I tend to enjoy my hobbies more when I have a better understanding of what is going on. Then, if I want to modify the implementation to better suit my needs, looking into the code is necessary.

Another criterium you could have add: OS it's available on, as I beginner I cannot check out DSS as I am to stubborn to switch to windows. I use siril (free) for stacking and startools (only 40€ - and has excellent online documentation+tutorials) on my MacBook.

@Seafox0011

3 жыл бұрын

Startools I think you mean?

@geert5811

3 жыл бұрын

@@Seafox0011 Exactly, corrected!

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

But if i add that as i criterium, how should i rate it? As a windows user, i would rate 10/10 for everything, it's not objective

@geert5811

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict I meant, you rate the fact that it's available on different platforms; if today one is a windows user considering to switch to an other OS (or vice versa for all I care), then you know that your "favorite" software is also available on that OS.

I use Lynkeos because i’m stuck on Mac.

For Mac users, would you guide us to APP and Photoshop? DSS isn't supported for MacOS, and the workarounds have a lot of overhead failures.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

You can try out Siril, it's avaliable for MacOS

Have you tried Siril?

Have you tried Sequator?

What about stacking in photoshop itself? Im a mirrorless shooter.

What about Siril? Any thoughts on that program?

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't used it yet

For anyone using pixinsight, there is a new stacker script called WBPP. It takes a lot of the guess work out of staking your pictures. Also if you want to watch a free 14 min video on it by the famous warren keller, go to IP4AP website and look in their free preview tutorials.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

I mentioned that one, but if you have the whole power of PIX avaliable, why use it? As i mentioned, there is a pop up window that tells you only to use the script for planning purposes

After trying them all, I ended up with APP for stacking and Pixinsight for post-processing for exactly the same reasons you describe. Also, APP does a great job automatically extracting Ha and Oiii from multi-band OSC data (like if you used Optolong L-eNhance) and then I can take that through a bi-color post flow in Pixinsight.

@ThatsMyCoffee

3 жыл бұрын

Like you, I use an L-eNhance with APP and Pixinsight. But I really have no clue what to DO in PI. Way too complicated for me. Do you have a simple workflow you could share?

@johnfavalessa4487

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThatsMyCoffee take the time to watch some video tutorials. check out VisibleDark youtube channel. Shaun is a great teacher. trust me it is worth the investment to learn. once you learn to save you process icons (with the settings you like) your processing life will be simple. also Pixinsight has all kinds of free add ins like EZ Processing Suite which will help you get started quickly.

@johnfavalessa4487

3 жыл бұрын

exactly! 100% agree with you.

@KrishnaVinod

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThatsMyCoffee This video helped me a lot in how to combine the Ha & Oiii extracted layers to really bring out the blue- kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z4Fn3KRwXa_SmNo.html

Should try out the siril beta

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Will do!

My personal choice: Pi .... i have to learn only one software for the most deepsky images .... only for milkyway-shots i look at one you have not mentioned sequator ;)

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

I tried to focus on better known software, i am very sure that these new and interesting ones will recieve the attention they deserve

Do u know where people get content for their regular astronomy channels? Ones that show deep space images and videos? I'm guessing it might be images that are in the public domain and free to use, or they have a license. However, I still don't know from where? I have googled and reached out to a few on here, but as yet, I have had no answers. I thought of shutter-stock, but when I looked through it, it didn't fit with the images I've been seeing. I know for astrophotography, you can get all your own content, but I would like to work on the subject as a whole. Any info would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance. Daniel.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

The Astrophotographers i follow create their own content, i did not take a look at other Astronomy channels yet. Some of them share their images as Public Domain, and most of them will probalby allow you to use their images in videos that work on the subject. But don't forget to ask! And i've heard of the Hubble archive, a place where everyone can download the older hubble palette data, but i did not try it out yet.

@danieljames2718

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict thanks. They must be using Hubble footage. I've actually messaged nasa as i saw a question topic of images and footage. I'll see what they say. Thanks again for the reply.

@danieljames2718

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict take a look at john michael godier channel if you haven't already. Thats the type of stuff im talking about. I'll stay subbed. Look forward to your next video. 📹👍🏻

Can you full edit your picture in pixinsight without using photoshop ?

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

Perhaps one should try something different, ive always used MaximDL and photoshop, will Pixinsight make any difference? _ Good videos - keep it up, BR / A

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

I actually never looked at MaximDL in any way. Don't know if i missed out on something big

@willhelmx8388

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict Ok, i think that MaximDL was one of the first big programs for astrophotography, it has a lot of features, but also a higher cost, around 5-600Usd for the complete package, but i think it´s great due to the possibility of several scientific functions embedded, it also run a version of pinpoint for direct plate solving.. All the best / A

I really want pixinsight, but I guess I need images first. Also damn its complicated, luckily you have tutorials on it so that should make it easier. Also did you get rid of your omegon q71? Great video as always!

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

The Omegon 71 was badly collimated, i sent it back for replacement, and got a new refractor

stackenzie astro images

Sequator

I like RegiStar best so easy.

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

For deep sky?

@davidcocklin2109

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict Yes it is just so easy to use. But not free.

the point you have missed is that DSS only does so much...after that, you still need to fork out money to do stuff.

Which is cheapest?

@AstroAddict

6 ай бұрын

DSS is free

@jesuschrist2284

6 ай бұрын

@@AstroAddict its a bit clunky but once you use it a few times its plenty good enough. Unless you're hubble. Great video btw gonna watch.more of yours now

You should check out registax

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

It's mainly for planetary use, no?

@nayanmaloth4838

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict yeah Tim but it's pretty useful from what I've heard plus there is a feature where it can stack the one which you choose and then finds other exposures which have the percentage of similarities as the one which you chose

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Quality stacking? Every stacking software has that. You can set a manual reference frame, and choose like 90% of the best frames to use

@nayanmaloth4838

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict oh I am new to astrophotography,so I thought it was a special feature 😅

@nayanmaloth4838

3 жыл бұрын

Plus I have just taken pics of the moon with my celestron powerseeker 60az without stacking

Stacks*

gotta say DSS is an awesome software, i sstarted with that, however i switched to SIRIL (www.siril.org/) which is a piece of software u might want to check. kinda hard to understand but it can output some amazing pics :D

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, i looked at it once, but the interface was very confusing. Will try again

@nebulae_wanderer

3 жыл бұрын

@@AstroAddict it can definitely output some nice stuff (used it for neowise)

7:24 Ich fiel zurück und lachte mir den Arsch aus. Ich hasse es, Fotos zu hacken.

I did not watch the last few minutes because the background music was so loud and so annoying. I don't know why people think it's a good idea to add background music. Nobody ever asked for background music, and nobody likes background music. The content was interesting and well done. I might watch more videos on your channel - if they don't have background music.

APP inferface design. In 2020. Really?

@AstroAddict

3 жыл бұрын

DOOONG