You're killing me. I am about to get to bed and I just happen to glance at my phone...and you post a 31 minute video.

It's actually quite interesting how little changed in those kingdoms in terms of law, economy, social system etc. Especially in places like Ostrogothic Kingdom of Italy. One could live in Rome in 460s and early 500s and wouldn't notice many different.

@aegonii8471

2 жыл бұрын

It was probably better in the 500’s compared to the 460’s

@Sparticulous

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, Italy was better off without the incompetent empire

@stefanodadamo6809

Жыл бұрын

Why rocking the ship? Till it stays afloat...

@muscledavis5434

Жыл бұрын

​@@aegonii8471 as long as you die before Justinian plague kicks in💀

@PalleRasmussen

11 ай бұрын

@@Sparticulous yes, which is why Rome went from a city of a million at the height of the empire and at least half a million in the fourth century, to 30000 at the end of the sixth century. They were much better off without the incompetent empire. Wars, disease, famine and barbarian medical/engineering science is much better. For nature at least.

Great work, man! This is such an under-explored aspect of the migration-period Germanic world - essential to the understanding of Western Christendom’s development. Looking forward to the next video.

One thing I try to overlay on surveys like this: from one event to the next is often from one generation to the next or a whole lifetime or longer. The 246 years of the United States would be glossed in 5 minutes or less and the Civil War (1861-65) could easily get skipped, a footnote to industrialization or a side-bar on western expansion. Regardless, there are hardly any living links from then til now, as even veterans of 1941-45 are passing away. Historical human perspective is so easy to lose.

Wow, just subscribed! I rarely comment but I really had to say this is one of the best presented KZread videos I have ever seen regarding any topic in history. I felt like I just attended a seminar or lecture! I don't know if you have any aspirations to become a history teacher or professor, but you have a natural and charismatic talent for making the subject interesting, dynamic and concise. Thank you for making this video! Really excited to explore the rest of your channel!

@SeanMahoneyfitnessandart

11 ай бұрын

Really... you need to check out... "The people profiles" "North 02" "the History Squad" anything with Simon Whistler, "biographics" is a good one... "Dan Davis History" is good, "History Time" ... I cant think of the guys name who runs that channel but he puts out 3 hour long in depth documentaries like you've never seen... hope you enjoy some of those!! The Metatron is another good one... id say "Scholagladitoria" ... but he tends to ramble... so he gets an honorable mention.

Bro, I've just found you, your brilliant, love you analysis, great work

Was just about to go to bed for work tomorrow but I saw you uploaded.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Go to bed! It’ll be there tomorrow

I would love to hear what the argument is for the claim that "Roman Civil Wars were a feature not bug!"

@geordiejones5618

Жыл бұрын

I think to the Romans anything was better than being led by someone less civilized, that's why the Eastern Romans had even MORE civil wars. It was considered fair game in terms of imperial legitimacy (might makes right). Either you had the support of the gods/God and had nothing to worry about or you lost it and just had to deal. Same thing happened with the Mandate of Heaven in China.

You're one crafty historian alright, you got me to watch. Nice presentation.

Ahaha, I haven't studied Visigothic Spain nearly as much as the Umayyad era but definitely some of my research spilled over into it. A dysfunctionally functional monarchy.

Insightful video, thank you!

Cool video, always, always fascinating. Great voice too. UK ❤🤍💙

Thank you. You have whet my appetite so will you tell a book to further learn history Barbarian=>Holy Roman Empire? Thank you again.

very good videos. great experience to watch. please, keep it up. many thanks. cheers from brasil.

What I never understood is why was Odoacer's kingdom not associated with any ethnic group? Every other kingdom was.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’ve wondered that too. The only reasons I can think of is that it’s because the state was either short lived, or because Odoacer’s kingdom wasn’t just created by a single ethnic group-he led Sciri and...another group. Heruls, I think

@mattmonroe2807

2 жыл бұрын

Yea he was Heruli in service of the Roman empire. He wasn't leading a whole tribe of Heruli.

@alanpennie8013

Жыл бұрын

@@mattmonroe2807 Possibly The Heruli considered him low status so he couldn't claim kingship over them.

superb

Very nice.

By "Introduction", is this part of a new series or of the Theodoric and Justinian series? Not that I mind either.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

The “barbarian world” videos are all designed to be thematically linked. So this is just another video in that series

There is a mod for Crusader Kings 2, called "When The World StoppedMaking Sense" that represents this world and process quite well (I am a historian with this period as one of my interests).

excellent

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! If you’re binge watching I would just caution you to be careful with content published 2019 and earlier. The channel was in very early stages then and I made more mistakes in those videos which I’ve corrected elsewhere

Nice topics that are not touched upon enough by some historians as well as Cinema. Imagine a movie on Julian and his friction with the Christians and also highlighting his victories against the Alamanni. Then the end would be an Alexander like death in his tent after being struck by the arrow on the withdraw from Persia.

very cool

Great video. It gives me an image of the future of American Empire. which is falling slowly. They are victims of very similar policy as any other empire in history. These are cycles that you can not escape.

Cool.

The title of the video sounds like it's what you say the next video will be.

21:04 Had the Roman been like that in the early Republic?

@mortache

Жыл бұрын

Carthage???

ROME: Breed them all out Barbarians: Okay

What is your accent?

I don't really agree with how Heather frames the transformation of Roman era Central Europe, I wouldn't say that it was any specific or explicit Roman policy that lead to the transformation, rather I would say the simple ever present pressure created by Roman armies raiding into the region or needing supplies, plus the example of Roman admiration and lifestyle inspired the change. If we assume that Futhark derives from Latin it was not "Roman policy" that lead some Germanic person to create the alphabet, rather it was inspiration through contact. Just an example.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

I think I can agree with that to an extent. Certainly there were pressures beyond Roman imperial policy, but I would argue it’s still broadly correct to view much of the transformation through the lens of imperialism

@-haclong2366

2 жыл бұрын

This is not too different from how Japan developed, the West never actively tried exporting its culture into Japan until the Japanese invited them, culture often spreads more quickly through trade than through the people that advance them.

05:50 So basically the Mandate of Heaven.

it is a little odd that you use "chaos" and "anarchy" interchangebly. these terms do kinda describe polar opposites after all. the problem in those times after all wasnt that nobody held any power but that too many people held power ...

@user-te1ot7ux7c

Жыл бұрын

polarchy

Thank you for this video. The period between the fall of Western Rome to Charlemagne is the period I'm most confused about, it seems like one of the periods people have the least amount of interest in. Maybe due to a lack of "interesting" figures like Charlemagne or Atilla?

You should do super chats

@g-rexsaurus794

2 жыл бұрын

It's not a stream though

Another excellent video thank you! I was wondering, what do you think of the King&Generals video series on the fall of the roman empire? Some seem a little too black and white and eager to place blame on the so called 'barbarians' destroying everything. One such video among others: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZWaVmNV6psyYmps.html Of course there was a degree of detereoration in central authority, but i feel there is a certain nuance lacking? I still enjoy them, however there is a lot of video spamming going on, on their part. Really interested to hear your thoughts! Keep up the good work.

@shorewall

2 жыл бұрын

That video was terrible. They've done way better, and that one came out of left field.

Why could the romans live in the oceanic climate, but not the continental climate? Technology they didn't have yet? Is it just inherently easier for civilisation to exist in mediterranean and oceanic climates?

Im still interested why germans were always migrating... they constanty pour into gaul, they invaded britain, they travelled all the way into spain and north africa. Why? What drove them so far? Was germany just terrible and infertile? I dont get it.

Early mediaeval Europe!

My family have a farm family claims they got from soldiering for Caesars Aunt Julia's husband Marius which German tribe with these be we have a farm in Strasburg

omg so much fluffy hair

Are you gettin $$$ from MasterCard for using their logo?

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Ha. I wish

Patrol boats. Ships don't go on rivers

"functioned"

Stillicho die and the wheel of destruction start Alaric attack and the fall of rome start

Arbogast and Stilicho are regarded as part - barbarian because that is the way they were stigmatized by their political enemies.

Man, this is one of the frustrating parts about trying to argue with people who identify as "western chauvenists" or glorify the roman empire. They tend to associate the fall of rome with barbarians overrunning rome instead of the far more accurate "They got fearful of foreigners and their strategy of integration that was the reason they were able to expand so far broke down into refusing to integrate more tribes even though those tribes were fully ready to."

@-haclong2366

2 жыл бұрын

Not a good analogy, the barbarians actually fundamentally changed the culture and make-up of the Western Roman Empire and inserted their culture into it, this isn't a moral judgement as I believe that Roman culture survives to this day because of Germanic peoples, in fact the name "France" literally indicates that its county is owned by the Germans despite seeing itself as a modern inheritor to Rome, but simply that what the Romans viewed as their culture being destroyed by these barbarians is an entirely accurate assessment, even if the barbarians didn't mean it. Remember that in the West the term "Roman Empire" would be used until the early 19th century to refer to a "Barbarian" entirely outside of its borders and until the Great War the Ottomans saw themselves as modern Rome, as did Russia. Only the Ottomans had a real claim to it based on geography.

@VineFynn

Жыл бұрын

Rome didn't collapse because it wasn't integrating more tribes. Climate change, politics and disease killed it. It was also partly a victim of its own success. Where did you get that idea from?

@seanbeadles7421

Жыл бұрын

@@-haclong2366 Roman culture of the late republic was fundamentally different from the Roman kingdom.

@alexdietz7362

Жыл бұрын

What a two-dimensional takeaway you'd expect from a political partisan. Make sure you take your state-recommended medicine and ask no questions. But you're a good guy because you're a race and gender hero.

@Tinil0

Жыл бұрын

@@alexdietz7362 Aw, you're cute.

12:39 Grand Duchy of Moscow? 14:45 Analogous to Five Barbarians and Sixteen Kingdoms period in China 18:14 Kinda like Goryeo dynasty playing major warlords against minor warlords, and within major warlords, playing one against another.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I would agree about this being maybe analgous to the Five Barbarians period. I would be interested to see if there was any kind of comparative study--I know of only one that exists, but it largely focuses on Rome and Han China. Could you clarify what you're asking with the Grand Duchy of Moscow?

@hyokkim7726

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome That the Golden Herd crushed Kievian Rus, and empowered Moscow, and used Moscow to keep the other Rus in line, and laying the foundation of the rise of Moscow. No, I'm not aware of any comparative study of Rome and Jin, (not Jurchen) dynasty. But it's something I had noticed since I am particularly focused on 'dark ages'. Also, I am studying the grand strategy of ROK regarding PRC. There's going to be BIG change in Asia when PRC collapses like old Soviet Union. There are three potential hegemons after PRC collapse. ROK Japan, and Taiwan, why these three have contending relationship today, even as when they're all facing PRC together.

@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745

4 ай бұрын

​@@hyokkim7726when will china fall?

well if wearing trousers makes me a barbarian than I'm a proud barbarian 😆. Not to mention speaking a barbarian language (English).

Your venn diagram is pimp

@osea5000

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, just like that, "Barbarícum". You gain a good ear for Latin if you were raised with well-spoken Spanish

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Took Spanish in college, so I would imagine that helps to a degree

I love your work. The Anglo Saxon world, manifest mainly as the American & British societies but also Northern Europe, are the only racial group who revere *not* their ancestors. They revere the 'Classic' societies of Greece and Rome. No other people do this!

@weyjosh5213

5 ай бұрын

exactly. most English people dont even know much nor even acknowledge their Anglo Saxon roots!

the forced resettlement sounds very soviet style

@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745

11 ай бұрын

MUH SOVIET BAD

@EasternOrthodox101

11 ай бұрын

@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 writing incoherent gibberish to other users?))🤦‍♂️

Romans are if they lived like a roman language wasn't as important as you would think as long you lived a certain way dressed a certain way and had cities with theaters, arenas, aquedcuts and so on the romans would consider it roman, remember constantinople had all of this even though they mostly spoke greek. Eastern roman empire even changed offical language from latin to greek. Eastern roman empire themselves would not like to be called byzantine instead of roman.

Barbrbaricum land of the barbarians is loceted north of the Danube, east of the Rhine , north and west of Tisa , east of Prut and west of the Urals . This is all teritory were blue eyes predominate. No coments

Dinaric Slavs are nowhere presented in this video.Self_obsession of the western historians is remarkable.

Perhaps we in the USA can learn a lesson from history and be a bit more liberal in our immigration policies.

@cliffpinchon2832

Жыл бұрын

keep taking those Jabs...

@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745

11 ай бұрын

​@@cliffpinchon2832the only jab you need is one straight in your face lmao

🤺☦🇷🇺And this is the meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉 Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast. Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms. 1. kingdom of the Vandals 2. kingdom of Suevians 3. kingdom of Visigoths 4. kingdom of Alamanni 5. kingdom of Burgundians 6. kingdom of Thuringians 7. kingdom of Gepids 8. kingdom of Ostrogoths 9. kingdom of Lombards 10. kingdom of Franks *The little horn* 11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons, which gave birth to The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn) The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms. That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745

11 ай бұрын

Wtf does this even mean

@EasternOrthodox101

11 ай бұрын

@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 Start learning

@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745

11 ай бұрын

@@EasternOrthodox101 im not a refard who thinks spouting religious schizobabble has learned anything