I have always been a fan of the term 'Dissolved' rather than 'Fall' in the Roman context. And don't worry about the length longer vids the better!

@hyokkim7726

2 жыл бұрын

It was very detailed, but in a relevant manner, not pedantic at all.

@tygetygetyge

11 ай бұрын

that is what people mean when they say "fall". They don't say that it happened like in a single year.

Franks, the most loyal of Germans and quickest to claim the title of the inheritors of the west

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Yes we’ll be talking about that!

@timothyobrien8171

Жыл бұрын

Well said, sir. We owe them a great debt of gratitude. Not enough coverage of this time period, sadly.

@antoniescargo4158

Жыл бұрын

Germans came later. Germans speak German:Ich bin, du bist, etc. Franks spoke a germanic dialect. My language is 'West Low Franconian. Salian Franks (from Salland and Ripuarian Franks).

@kuman0110

Жыл бұрын

​@@antoniescargo4158 Germans as in Germanic people, not Deutsch-German specifically

@AttackTheGasStation1

7 ай бұрын

​@@kuman0110German and germanic isn’t the same thing.

Good luck with the Merovingians, there is so little about them and they are all named Clothar XD! Anyway, still watching the video, but in my opinion this is one of your best videos; great narrative and information. And I pretty much watch all of your videos!

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@hereisyoursign6750

2 жыл бұрын

I believe Clothar is an early variant of the name Louis which French kings would be commonly named until the 1700's. I'm no scholar of course but I think it goes like this Clothar > Clovis > Louis If this true, perhaps most of them were actually still just named Louis even about a thousand years later

@bloeddorstigbeest

Жыл бұрын

@@hereisyoursign6750 no Clovis is a later French invention, the king it refers to was named Chlodovech, the precursor of Dutch Lodewijk and German Ludwig, and of French Louis. Chlotar, by contrast, became German Lothar, and French Lothaire, which lay at the root of the area of Lorraine, in Dutch Lotharingen, in German Lothring and in Latin Lotharii Regnum, the kingdom of Lothar.

@paulwilson3057

Ай бұрын

How many times have we seen that in a culture, though? How many "ptolemy"s are there? At least all the ptolemys helped with the Rosetta stone!

Concerning the Franks presence in Northern Gaul, you should also consider the occurance of the Dunkirk II transgression, which from about 250 AD not only increased the North sea level, but also caused storms, inundations, temperature change to all the low-lying countriesfurther inland. When you look at the archeology records, many, in some regions, about all, rural villages are abandoned around that time. There is no trace of fighting or invasion. The people leave. There 's a vacuum. When the sea retreats and the climate improves a few centuries later, it's not the Gallo-Romans that return, but Germanic people, mainly Franks that resettle.

@dutchman7623

5 ай бұрын

There was a lot of cross Rhine trade, during Roman times. (And long before the Romans arrived as well.) Belgium was almost empty, after some massacres by the Romans after revolts during the first two occupation centuries. And should we write 'Romans' at this time? A large part of the military consisted of local men, and men who had crossed the Rhine with their families. The population in these areas was already a mix of Celtic and Germanic origin. So there was no invasion, but immigration from across the Rhine, who integrated with the local inhabitants and even the Frisi, who left the coastal areas. Thus forming the Sallian Franks. He makes us believe that all spoke Latin, wore togas, ate pizza, visited temples for Roman gods, and were amusing themselves peacefully in marble amphitheaters, drinking pure water from the aqueducts, when suddenly those murderous barbarians invaded and killed them. NO WAY! Between Franks and 'Romans' there was close cooperation against mutual enemies. And when Rome lost its grip, they started self governing and organizing with the Merovingian dynasty as a result. And even than they were close with the 'Romans' when it came to defending their territory against 'third party invaders'. This is Anglo-American 'replacement theory' driven to the top.

what I find lacking in historical studies is the span of time when the known Germanic tribes (like the Chatti, the Cherusque etc etc) are replaced on the maps by bigger confederation known on other names, like the Rhenans Franks, the Salian Franks, the Alemani etc etc, Saxons and Frizons retained their names, but others evolved and it look like one day we have some tribes and the next one, we have others that, since we have no study about them, seem to simply have spawned from nowhere...

@Phil-du7zc

11 ай бұрын

It probably is very vague in terms of the little available sources. But I believe some people say the sources that refer to quadi are the same as the chatti and others say otherwise. It’s just hard without the lack of sources

@tonyhawk94

11 ай бұрын

The reason for that is lack of sources on one hand the quickness for tribal confederation to disband and regroup depending on who's the strongest, same for the Turco-Mongols, a real pain to study and map !

Thanks for sharing! Completely enjoy it!

I love the way you present your videos! The language is just brilliant! “When things go to hell in a hand basket, it goes to hell in a hand basket pretty quickly.” I am definitely gonna start using that saying.

great episode

The longer the video, the better. Keep up the good work!

Amazing video again. I wish I knew half as you about anything.

Your hair is worthy of a Merovingian.

The franks ended up adopting Roman language and Gallo Roman culture

@jfrancobelge

11 ай бұрын

The Franks indeed merged into the Gallo-Roman culture but, at least to a certain degree, they also influenced the language that was to become French. Such words as "bourg" ,"framboise", "bleu", "trinquer" have Germanic origins. The French prononciation of letter "r" is more similar to the German "r" than to the same letter in other romance languages, and the aspirated sound of letter "h" at the beginning of some words is a Germanic download. It also seems that some French last names ending in "ard" (like mine) have Frankish, Germanic origins - same root as the words "hard" in English or "hart" in German. French is sometimes described as "the most Germanic of romance languages".

@sebe2255

11 ай бұрын

Most of them didn’t

Another great video, just had to say it!

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I have another coming in 20 minutes :)

Hey. I love the maps. They're lovely

great video! can't wait for the next one, would like to learn about their political structures. leaving a comment for the algorithm

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Hopefully I hit 100,000 one day

Very good video thank you ! You talked a bit about ethnogenesis, maybe you could do a video about the concept one day and the historiographical debates around it ? It's a fascinating and stimulating subject.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

It’s already in the works!

@stepdog100

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome Oh great ! Completely unrelated, but have you played Pendragon, The Fall of Roman Britain ? boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/193728/pendragon-fall-roman-britain. It's the only boardgame/wargame I know of that deals with the fall of the Western Roman Empire with nuance. Quite heavy but a blast !

@troydodson9641

Жыл бұрын

@@stepdog100 That sounds really cool. Going to have to play

A later era, of the Roman Empire. Would appreciate your take on the Slavs! Avars too!!

@troydodson9641

Жыл бұрын

I'm with this guy, I can't find enough on these people to sate me

@david-468

3 ай бұрын

They won’t as many of these historians don’t see the East as rome even though they are more Roman then any western country was

Great vid. You should do a video on the western Roman remnants (Domain of Soissons, Julius Nepos in Dalmatia, maybe aurelius ambrosius in Britain)

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

I’m already working on Soissons :)

@CameronAB122

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome awesome!

@hyokkim7726

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! I had no idea that there were Roman remnants in the West.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

@@hyokkim7726 Yeah! Soissons is an...interesting case, because the evidence we have for it is extremely sparse and confusing. I posted that video two days ago

The dividing line today: butter France vs olive oil france.

You say that after a 500 year presence in Gaul Roman control began to dissolve and and the province broke up into areas that were based on pre-Roman boundaries or territories. What or who was behind the breakup and reconstitution? What or who provided the continuity for 500 years that allowed the province to reconstitute along pre-Roman boundaries? The common folk? Wealthy families (aristocrats, oligarchs) whose wealth could be traced back to pre-Roman times? Local cultures that survived Roman conquest? 500 years is a long time. Did pre-Roman wealthy families perpetuate themselves right on through to the "fall" of the Empire? Did every culture that came into contact during Antiquity already have its own aristocracy, and were any exterminated by the Romans?

@davemorgan6013

Жыл бұрын

The statement about the restitution of a pre-Roman divide doesn't make much sense. Although the Romans converted the Gallic tribal areas into civitates after they conquered the region, they adjusted the borders to fit their needs. The Franks and Goths simply took over the Late Roman administrative structures. A good example of this is provided by the Visigoths in the old province of Aquitania.

Thumbnail looks like one of those dads who's way too into Motorhead

Excellent work! Have you considered teaching in a university? I had a professor from PSU that taught Medieval History and this video was nostalgic from those classes.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Professor is the end goal of my life, so to speak. Not in graduate school at the moment, but if I can ever get the channel large enough to where I can do this-and the podcasts I’m working on-full time, it would give me the time to do that

@charlesdesobry9446

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome damn I thought you were a PhD student haha

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesdesobry9446 nope, that’s the goal!

@reborninflames2188

Жыл бұрын

Count me in! I find the latter phase of the Western Roman Empire a fascinating era. The epic accounts of Aetius vs Attila as well as Majorian got me hooked. I also have Frankish ancestry (assuming my family's research is accurate).

@MattieK09

Жыл бұрын

Skip academia you’re better off online

Nice video but I think you overemphasize the decline of (eroded somewhat) latin in the North East of Gaul, as the dialects of North Eastern France like Picard and Champenois are overwhelmingly latin, and the Franks were at a maximum 10% of the population of places they occupied. Also just a nitpick but Reims is pronounced more like "rinse", the m is silent :)

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Probably-it was more of a process than anything else. And thanks for the correction! French is something I really have to buckle down and learn at some point in the future

@g-rexsaurus794

2 жыл бұрын

The linguistic border between Germanic and Romance was more south before the high middle ages, with places like Lille and Boulogne-sur-Mer being just on the Germanic side of the border. The size of the Germanic population is yet to be determined through things like genetics, I imagine it was far higher in Wallonia or the Channel coast(especially with the Normans)

@davemorgan6013

Жыл бұрын

It's amazing how cities such as Cologne and Trier held on and even revived somewhat after Frankish rule was firmly established. As for the language divide, the Moselle Romance language survived near Trier until the 11th century.

@MattieK09

Жыл бұрын

It was not surprise me if it was significantly higher than 10%

@tonyhawk94

11 ай бұрын

@@MattieK09 The 10% is for overall Gaul (estimate), but north of the Loire river it was probably significantly more.

You talked about it briefly. How much difference was there between these German tribes? Were they more scattered people put together by local leaders or were they established people?

@gregmiller9710

11 ай бұрын

..i consider it like 'tribes' but grade A large...^^

@WagesOfDestruction

11 ай бұрын

@@gregmiller9710, what do you mean, please explain?

05:24 So would this have meant multiple tolls/road taxes, especially, for the traveling merchants? Is this where the custom of the robber barons/knights had come from? 13:02 Oh, yeah! The Cimbrian War.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

It’s possible those people could have been subjected to taxes and tolls. But I doubt it. While it’s not necessarily a good indicator of state collapse in and of itself, coin production largely stops during this period in this time, suggesting a lack of money. Knights emerge a little later, in the 700s and 800s, coming out of earlier traditions of Private bodyguards and a militarized aristocracy. As far as I’m aware, robber barons gets its start with the tradition of German nobles living in the Rhine river-there a many, many castles and forts along the river. At each one the merchant had to pay a toll

Great stuff !!! But Strasbourg, or Argentoratum as it was then called, was not then nor is now in Germany ! It was in the Holy Roman Empire of Germanic Nation 😅😅 starting in the 11th century after being in Lotharingia, which you covered separately, but conquered by the Sun King Louis XIV in 1681. Please refer to it if you refer to it today as the capital of Alsace, which was created by the Franks as a duchy in 640. To defend against the Alamans. So important stuff to know. Im at 18’ in your video so perhaps you mention it later. Generally speaking you dont mention Alsace much, i’ve never heard it yet. Its worth mentioning though, not just for the Oaths of Strasbourg, which you did mention, but without uttering the word Alsace !!!

I am fascinated by those great migration but it is so hard to find reliable sources, especially regarding their actual number.

That is so interesting history classeses should have talk about roman historie like that.

Interesting video I am French-Canadian I like to consider myself a Frank but I don't really know for sure no one does know exactly who they are in most cases today . For me personally the records all dry up around 1585.

@JCRger

9 ай бұрын

I think, today you are only "allowed" to call yourself a Frank, when you are from around Nuremberg 😂

stupid question- the Allemand- does that com from the Alans?

@sebe2255

11 ай бұрын

No from the allemanic tribes. Who were and are in what is now Switzerland, Baden-Wurtemberg and the Alsace

I'd like to point out that Strasbourg is actually in modern day France.

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Hm. Must’ve misrecalled them. Thanks

@hyokkim7726

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome I had known about it, but you know I don't like ........

@VickiNikolaidis

Жыл бұрын

I just had the same conversation about Stasbourg

@VickiNikolaidis

Жыл бұрын

with my family! I didn't remember it was in France. Wars screw borders up.

My problem with the narrative about small folk feeling no difference whether they pay taxes to an emperor or a warlord is the next step. Ok you pay the same, that day is as usual. What you get in return? From warlord, do you get army forts that create huge market for local products in peace, and certain probability of sheltering your family in war? Do you get roads you can use to travel, and relatively regulated trade you can participate in using that road? Do you get stability that will allow inflow of spices, craftworks, silk, educated slaves from more civilized parts of the empire (Gaul or Britannia POV)? So no, its not all the same. Its a social contract, in order to be the same, both sides of the contract need to perform their parts, not just you paying your taxes... I am oversimplifying for the purpose of youtube commenting, but I guess you get my point.

Their axes wrecked people dawg

@TheFallofRome

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! I ordered one :)

@mattmonroe2807

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome Nice! I would like to see a fight scenario of an Imperial Trajanonic (invented word) Legionnaire with the manica, against a 4th century Frank with an ax.

"A square, ok maybe its not a square, (pauses) you get the idea." Don't worry, we don't expect you to be a geometrist too.

That's a (irregular)quadrilateral over Aquitaine.

Of course urban construction slowed down. You no longer had a supply of free grain from the government. Everyone had to go out into the farms and sell the grain themselves.

I hate to complain but historians complaining about popular perception gets a little old. I just want to know the history.

To further prove the meshed culture of Frankia. Follow The Law Codes. Alemmanic Law for Alemmanic People. Burgundian, Bavarian, Gothic Law for their respective peoples, and Roman Law, for Romano-Gaulic peoples. All existed under the same Kingdom, ruled over by the same Kings. (Alemmani, Bavarian, Thuringian, and Germanic Frank Laws were administered by Austrasian Kings, Roman, Franks, and Saxon laws in Neustria, abd Visigothic, Frankish and Roman laws in Visigothic Influenced Aquitaine, while Burgundian, Roman, and Frank Law existed in Burgundy(The Rhone/Saone River Valley,) Roman Law for the people of Provence.). These 3 Kingdoms, Neustria, Austrasia, and Burgundy split the Aquitainian and Gascon/Vascone territories between them through inheritance and warfare. After these 3 kkkmgdoms were United by King Chlothar of Neustria, through the attrition and defeat of the rest of his family Kin. The kingdom overdaw all these different law codes and administered them by cultural lines. Romans could t be held to Alemmanic Law, and vice versa. I’m currently working on a series of Historical Fiction Novels, based in the late 6th and early 7th century. During the political wars between Brunhilda, her son, and grandsons. King Childabert king of both Austrasia and Burgundy. Whose two sons split his kingdom, so that his eldest son became King Theudebert II of Austrasia, the younger son became King Theuderic II of Burgundy. Whose Gramdmother Brunhilda took regency over and later orchestrated war between her grandsons so she cold ruke over her Great Grandson Sigebert II’s throne. But their Neustrian Cousin Chlothar bides his tone until they have weakened each other and then makes desks with the various nobles to take power over all 3 kingdoms after defeating Queen Regent Brunhikda and her 12 year Great Grandson Sigebert. Killing his 3 younger brothers and uniting the kingdoms. My books follow an angle warrior who becomes a count for King Theudebert of Austrasia and sees the chaos first hand. It has been extremely hard to research all the obscure mentions and takes of Merovingian Frankia.

What about the Vandals?

27:30 390 B.C. The sack of Rome by Brennus?

14:21 I’m sorry, did you just say Strasbourg « in GERMANY » *Angry baguette noise*

@TheFallofRome

2 ай бұрын

By all means strike me with the baguette! Slip ups like that are why I do not do videos off the top my head anymore, and generally write the script before hand now

You got a Frankish look to you! I'm ok with that! West side is the best side.

Did anyone else hear the sound of falling water (fish tank?) And have to use the restroom?

I want to know where they come from before they enter Europe. I wish I knew the path each group took moving from east to west. #Scythians

Whatever you think about the cultural and administrative side of the term "Roman", you have to admit that - politically - the Roman Empire did not exist in West after the year 476. And this fall of the Roman empire obviusly had some long term consequences. The laws promulgated by Roman emprerors and the Nicean Christianity supported by Roman emprerors were no longer supported by Roman authority and therefore Gaul was subject to new laws and Arianism until Clovis of the Franks.

Wonderful videos. One small critique. Please stop spending so much time reminding us that change is gradual. We get it!

no mentions of pestilences that would have caused a decline in population..

...O when those Franks....come marchin' in....O when those Franks come marching in.....i wanna be in the number.....:P...

French is from a city close to Paris So the franks were there

No homo but your hair looked better when it was like this.

FRANKS Could “pax franca-romana” have been established throughout the entire space of the Roman Empire and its sphere of influence if General Arbogast, a valiant Frank, had managed to defeat the emperor Theodosius the Great in 394? kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4CiwdywnZa_iLA.html

Lamberts are Lombards

Buddy give it up

It still amaze me that the arab aren't considered successor of rome

@baneofbanes

Жыл бұрын

Because they aren’t.

@blakefriesen1216

Жыл бұрын

If it weren't for Islam, perhaps they could have been.

@sebe2255

11 ай бұрын

@@blakefriesen1216Not like Rome has a religion requirement. The Ottomans were a more real successor to Rome than the HRE or even Russia ever were

Though I'm Frisian, I speak (modern) Frankish! Echt waar! Het Nederlands dat ik spreek is een Frankisch dialect.