Dad was 8 years old when he came into possession of a broken .22 semi--auto rifle. He used a nail to replace the firing pin. That was 1928. He used 1 .22 Short per day to provide dinner meat of squirrel or rabbit during the worst winter of the Depression.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your memory. A part of rural American living during the dark days of the depression is part of our history and culture. The .22 rifle was a real necessity in those days, and is still as useful as ever.

Some cartridges are just iconic that the older you get you appreciate more like 38 special and 410 shotgun, or 22 short, not everything needs to be the biggest fastest most effective gun ever

@mkshffr4936

Жыл бұрын

Indeed it is getting rare to find folks who appreciate the usefulness of modest tools.

*How well I remember putting food on the table with my .22/.410 over under, using Shorts for Rabbit and Pheasant, with the 410 as backup. Sure do miss those great days as a kid, doing for the family.*

I grew up with the 22 shorts on the farm in Virginia. They were affordable for a 10-year-old boy and I still remember the smell of powder then. My nose was more sensitive. It was a perfume I will never forget.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

I know exactly what you mean. Winchester short ammo has a distinctive smell that brings back memories for me as well.

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3 жыл бұрын

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@PacificAirwave144

2 жыл бұрын

And the smell of Hoppes #9 powder solvent!

I need to make another video on this little cartridge because of it's popularity. Especially amongst us seasoned hunters. No doubt there are lots of memories attached to the .22 short rimfire.

@robt7785

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! I've always felt that a .22 LR is overkill for light game and rodents.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

@@robt7785 I have taken game such as squirrels and rabbits with the .22 short at distances way beyond what most people would consider feasible. The CCI short HVHP is more powerful than some long rifle loadings, and it demonstrates it's power clearly on small game.

@dirty828shocker

3 жыл бұрын

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman definitely do, i was too young to buy the old old marlins that could chamber all 3 of the 22 offerings. Wish i could back then.

@ernestwalden3894

2 жыл бұрын

I'm familiar with the 22lr but I'm curious about the short. I just moved to town and I been having trouble with varmints getting poo on my porch and yard. If the 22short is quite it can rid if these pests. Without alarming neighbor's LOL

@OdeeOz

2 жыл бұрын

*Memories galore of shooting that round in the old Carnival Rimfire Gallery target games. I picked up a Rossi remake of that venerable .22 pump, and it feeds the CCI Shorts flawlessly for me.*

I loved the .22 shorts. Here in Canada as a kid I used them in my Cooey model 60 because I could put 14 in the tube mag instead of the 'only' 10 of the LR. Great video.

@devincarter6005

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear about all y’all’s gun bans…stay strong and fight

A lot of the very old 22s were only chambered in the short only. These firearms are still very ,very useful , especially the older single shot firearms. Let’s hope they never go away.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

I share the same thoughts with you, because it is a real concern especially these days with all the gun control hype out there. CCI is really the only American ammo manufacturer that takes the .22 rimfire very seriously, and the only company that still makes a .22 short hollow-point that I am aware of.

@filianablanxart8305

3 жыл бұрын

CCI certainly has an impressive lineup of rimfire loads . But W-W is no slouch , and also continues to offer Shorts .

@broncodude6299

Жыл бұрын

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman I stocked up on this cartridge some years ago due to a feral animal (not to be listed) overpopulation issue I was having. They worked great, of course. Now I have the gumption to use this cartridge early season 🐿 hunting this fall. Right now your .22 videos have me out in the January woods with my 10-22. THANK YOU for that motivation 🙏🏻 😁 But today with the drizzle all day was a bust. Still better than sitting on the couch 😆

I inherited my dads Remington 550-1 and love shooting the shorts through it. My daughter can shoot well any gun I have, but her favorite is the 550-1 shooting shorts. Let the .22 short live on! Thanks for the very interesting video. I recently saw a video about shorts that explained that many people think that the shorts don't have much power because the sound so quiet as compared to the LR. The short is only around 18% slower than the LR, but many times quieter because it is below the speed of sound and has no sonic boom. In reality the short is more powerful than people may think.

.22 short is underrated for many applications. There's much talk about "survival" lately. In survival I like carrying as much ammo as possible. Small cartridges equal more in your pack! For survival i would only take a close shot anyway so not to waste ammo on a miss. A combination of shorts and LR in a bolt action is great. But, even a semi-auto can shoot shorts 1 at a time. I love shorts in my belt action for small game all the time.

As a kid my dad had a Winchester .22 rifle that could shoot all .22s S-L-LR. It was very accurate. It was a single shot. But that’s all you needed.

This is the most informative 22 short video I’ve seen anywhere. Thanks

Thanks for doing a video on the .22 short cartridge. My first .22 was a single shot .22 and for the most part, all I shot were Remington high velocity .22 shorts. We bought them at the local hardware for 50 cents a box. You're right, the .22 short is excellent for small game! I think only us shooters from the 1960's would know about the .22 short. I loved plinking with .22 shorts. Both of those Remmington rifles you showed were very nice guns. I like the guns made back then better. Occasionally I shot .22 longs and I liked the cartridge too. But, it seemed over time that everyone wanted the .22 long rifle cartridge and they wanted to keep trying to make it faster and more deadly. I always liked Remmington .22 shorts and long rifle cartridges in high speed "golden bullet" styles. I didn't think you needed anything more than that and that your focus should be on accuracy and shooting tight groups. I really liked the .22 short cartridge.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your comment, but what I really enjoy are the great stories from days gone by like your recollection. So many memories go along with old .22 rifles, and the ammo we once used. I still remember my first real squirrel hunting experience, I was hunting on a military reservation, and I soon learned that early season squirrel hunting can be challenging because the leaves are still on. I hunted the tall hickory stands, listening for the sound of squirrels chewing hickory nuts and following the dropping bits of hickory nut. I would scan the limbs and branches to spot the squirrels in order to make a shot. A shotgun is much easier, but I prefer a scoped .22 shooting hollowpoint shorts. In my opinion it is much more sporting. Thanks again for sharing your story.

Similarly between the world of the .22 short is very similar to my .22-.25 caliber world of PCP air rifles. So quiet, so accurate, MOA at 75-100 yards. -850-1150+FPS. Similar grain projectiles. The technology has advanced light years in the past 5 years...it is amazing. So quiet...like a .CB 22 short. I used to use nothing but CB .22 rounds. Didn’t really need anything else for small game, and pest control. Underrated cartridge indeed. Awesome video.

I thoroughly enjoyed this video and the info provided. Excellent job. In the these days of BIG BANG this was very refreshing.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it. I should probably make another .22 short video. What do you think?

Thank you, Enjoyed the video and found it very informative

I'm 68 and I've always preferred the .22 short hollow point for my squirrel hunting because it's just about the perfect round for that kind of hunting! Kills extremely fast and with very little meat damage if you do shoot them thru the ribs!! For rabbits I preferred the .22 lr hollow point in high velocity or hyper velocity for running shots and the sometimes longer range shots!!

Just watched your video.Enjoyable it’s been a long time since I have had any 22 shorts. Always enjoy shooting them. Thanks

Thanks for the great informative videos. My local sport shop was stocking the CCI short hollow points so I tied them and fell in love with them. I bought a few boxes a week and now have a nice supply. I use them on squirrels mostly but have also taken some porcupine and ground hogs as well.

Awesome video! Just started watching your videos, very knowledgeable you are, keep it up!

good video and educational for a newbie 22 hunter.

My first firearm was a single shot Springfield from the old days. My dad gave it to me. It's about hundred years old now. I've shot anything 22 out of it. But 22 short are my favorite. I have a couple Heritage Rough Rider revolvers a Ruger Wrangler. I even have a Rohm 22 short revolver. Great informational video. Thanks for sharing.

I have a mossberg 340k , from the 1960's. Shoots all 3 rounds. 24 inch barrel, 8 lands and grooves, Very accurate rifle. I love it.

Thank you for sharing this with us. My wife has a Remington 514 that she bought from our son... nice little gun. I'd like to find one in the 520 series to go along side it. That 581 you showed us is particularly impressive. Great video! Thanks again.

Outdoorsman; You are very lucky to have that beautiful, private yard to do your shooting without bothering anyone.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

If I had it my way, everyone would have their own private range. Perhaps then there would be a better acceptance of our second amendment.

I have a old Remington 550-1 that spits out shorts like nobody’s business. It has killed more game than any of my other guns all put together. Wonderful rifle. My older brother found it behind a freezer on a old porch at a house he was renting. As you can imagine it was rusted and pitted and I sad shape. Traded him a timing light and dwell tach for it as he was into cars and I wasn’t. Best damned trade I ever made!

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

That's quite a story. Rifles like yours are known as "jewels in the rough". I wonder how many of the newer guns made today would last as long as yours? Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed reading your post.

Great video and information. I’m going to try the HV hollow points in my Henry.

Thanks for the video! I have an old Remington Fieldmaster modl 121. I have shot a lot of squirrels with the 22 short hollow point. Turns their head to mush most of the time. It shoots S,L,LR. Have taken a lot of groundhogs with the rifle using 22 lr hp. I have bought a few boxes of the Super X back in the 60's. Good memories!

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

The Fielmaster model 121 is a super nice little .22. In my opinion just as good if not better than the Winchester model 61-62.

The Remington 552 was my first gun in 1961 when I turned 14. I expected a single shot or a bolt action but my parents got me the semi auto, possibly because my father had a Remington Model 740. I used it mostly for hunting woodchucks on the farm along with a few sparrows and an occasional rabbit. I once shot a woodchuck at 200 yards prone with a 6X Weaver 22 scope. It wasn't until 1974 that I discovered a bulge in the barrel just ahead of the rear sight while cleaning the bore. I don't know how or when it happened altho I was given some old 22 ammo the first year I had it and had a squib round followed by a long rifle. By that time, I was using a Ruger 22-250 for the woodchucks and the 552 didn't get used much after I went into the Army after college. I don't recall any other instance of a squib load. I traded the gun in, scope and all, but I wish I had put a new barrel on it. I wonder who has it now. I used 22 shorts when I was low on money but then the 22 ammo manufacturers came out with promotional 22 long rifle ammo which was cheaper than the shorts and that was pretty much the death knell for the short. With the rise in ammo prices, maybe it will make a comeback. Much more competition now in terms of choices in 22 ammo but prices are still ridiculously high.

For your information Remington made another Simi auto rifle that would cycle all three 22 short, Long, and Long Rifle rounds. The 550-1 used a unique expansion chamber type method to make it function with all three rounds. Persons that own one of these rifles will almost always tell you that it really will not reliably cycle with the 22 shorts. I explain to these folks that they have let their expansion chamber seize up because they shoot almost exclusively 22lr an very seldom 22 shorts so when they finally do try to shoot the 22 shorts the expansion chamber is stuck closed on them and they won't cycle. With a freed expansion chamber my 550-1 will cycle 22 short, longs and Long Rifles flawlessly. Remington 552 is able to cycle all three rounds because the bolt is the weight of a pencil and about the same size as a pencil as well and they do function very reliably.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the additional information. There are other .22 semi-autos that will cycle the short cartridge, and you correctly mentioned the Rem. 550-1. Other manufacturers include Browning, Winchester, and some foreign makers I believe. There is also the Remington 121 Fieldmaster that will reliably handle the .22 short .

Well done video. I am a fan of the the 22 short. I agree, if the popularity comes back, the loading options will increase. Thanks

I have a Browning BL 22 and it shoots short,long,long rifle, and the CCI stingers. I love that little gun. I have had it since 1980.😉

@glennmadsen9259

3 жыл бұрын

Michael Carter too bad Biden is coming for your guns!

I really enjoy your taking them apart & slices of them In two. Shows what they are. My kids and I cycle a full 22 round magazine of CCI CB shorts(710fps) out of my 1947 Remington 550-1 regularly without failing, hearing the bolt cycle basically and they are right on target up to 50+yards because I’m sure it’s 24” barrel is a real strong reason. Also running them in my old revolvers & HiStandard Olympic from 1956 is some accurate, quite fun. Nice presentation & shooting, I enjoy seeing & learning about the older ammo as well. We get the 1100+fps hollow point here as well, they are quite a good round, I agree!! Our local stores do sell out of .22shorts & a quick rate at some locations. I’m glad it’s available again however $0.10-$0.12 a round is a bit hi still. Thanks!

I recently acquired two Winchester 74’s, one chambered in .22 LR and the other in .22 Short. Looking forward to a day at the range soon trying out these two, especially the .22 Short version. Your videos are having a noticeable influence on me, this past week I acquired two Remington 581’s. I believe you can’t have too many .22’s.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

I tend to agree. In my opinion the .22 is the most practical and useful kind of gun made, whether it is a rifle or handgun. Add to that there are so many to choose from, old or new. If I had to choose just one .22 rifle, it would be a Remington 581, but thankfully there are so many more out there. Thanks for your support.

I have my grandfathers Winchester model 74 short. Made in 1940. Shoots great.

@Jeanie363034

2 жыл бұрын

I have my mothers 61 Winchester pump , made in 1947. short-long and long rifles. The 61 is in great shape--puts Super X lr in a 1 inch group at 75 yards

@Jeanie363034

2 жыл бұрын

I have my mothers Winchester model 61 pump, made in 1947. 22 shorts-longs and long rifles It was packed away for years and years before I got it. I dusted it off and cleaned it up-near mint condition. It makes a one inch group at 75 yards with Super X lr

@randytrashcan

25 күн бұрын

Picked up an early 1930s Sears Ranger 36, made by Marlin, a couple weeks ago. Essentially a Marlin 80. Found it for $70 missing a magazine, and managed to get a "new" Marlin 80 magazine to fit it with a bit of elbow grease. Bore is shinier than anything I've ever seen. Took the whole thing apart, got the old gunk and rust off of it. She's a beautiful old rifle now that the stock's been buffed. Shoots great!

I've seen a lot of videos on that 22 Long Rifle hollow point where they don't even expand I was quite impressed by the expansion that lets me know they can't make bullets out of expanded lower velocity

Excellent video. I just purchased the CCI HP Shorts for my CZ 455. I also purchased the ELEY SS HPs to compare for squirrel & rabbit hunting. Thank You just subscribed too!

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Eric. I hope to make more videos like this to compare different .22 rimfire ammo, and guns for sporting use.

This was a great video. I love shorts. Even have an Astra Cub. Didn’t read every comment but will also say besides the 552, a Winchester 190/290/Ted Williams 3T, a JC Higgins model 31, and a Remington 550-1 will cycle all three 22 calibers. With a magazine and recoil spring modification a10-22 can be made to shoot them also.

The 22 short hollow-point is absolutely the best round for squirrels. If a head shot is not available it is far superior to the long rifle which is so hot that it will pass through the body with little impact. The short hollow-point will flat knock them out of a tree. I have a Marlin 39D which will accept short, long and long rifle interchangeably. Great video, thanks.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

I am currently looking for a Marlin model 39. Great little shooters, and quite accurate for the most part. CCI is currently the only ammo manufacturer that make a .22 short hollowpoint. I hope other ammo manufacturers will start producing this kind of rimfire. Perhaps Aguila will come around to it since they specialize in rimfire ammo.

@danflynn7592

Жыл бұрын

Great gun - I have one as well - compact and plenty accurate - no idea why they never sold well - my previous model 39s were heavy and awkward - the 39D is perfect though I generally use .22 long CB caps in it for the small game hunting I do.

Hi ; I just found this video today, so I quickly subscribed to your channel. This brought back memories of when i was a kid back in the 1960's . If i wanted to hunt with my Dad's single shot .22, I would have to save up two dollars , then walk ten miles to where I could buy a small box of .22 shorts ,then walk back again. .. I also wanted to point out that the .22 short is still more effective than any of the modern air rifle/pellet guns that are out there. ...Thank You for a Great Video !

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for subscribing, and sharing your memories. I own some modern air rifles, and although some are potent, they are really no match for the .22 short, especially the CCI HV-HP. You are quite correct in your observation.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

@ralph apmann Well actually I am. Check out the video I made last fall where I go squirrel hunting with a Diana Stormrider in .22 caliber. I own several air rifles by maufacturers such as BSA, Diana, and Beeman-which is really made by Weirauch from Germany. While I can agree that modern air rifles are very accurate and powerful, I must disagree with you in terms of sheer power when compared to a firearm.

Really enjoying your videos.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

4 жыл бұрын

Glad to see you are enjoying my videos. I'm still just getting started, and am hoping to do some higher quality content.

CCI, up until a few years ago, before the current “Quiet” 22s made CCI CB 22s in both 22 shorts and 22 longs. They were super quiet and could be shot indoors without ear protection. The noise actually coming from when the round hit its target. They were also quite accurate! They were in orange plastic boxes.

I love those rifles. I recently reconditioned a Mossberg Model 352K semi auto that was marked .22-SHV-L-LR. I never got to shoot it but it was in pretty good condition when I got done with it. If I can get some shorts I am going to take it and test fire it.

Good video. I like the .22 short for the low noise and good short range accuracy. Only problem is the somewhat higher cost. Just picked up a brick from Sportsman’s Guide for 54 bucks delivered.Located a hundred miles or so from you just south of Lawrencebrurg.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

I think the higher cost is due to lower sales volume. Thanks for subscribing.

I once had a Remington model 550 that he bought in the late 50's I think. He said it was about the same age as me , it would also shoot the s,l, lr . It had a factory supplied weaver scope. It was very accurate with just about anything you put in it and was extremely quiet with shorts . Between my father and I that rifle probably had in excess of 10,000 rounds through it when I finally traded it off .

I cut my teeth on my uncles speedmaster back n 79. His was the BDL model. I would stay at my maw maw house and she let me hunt and didn’t allow me to hunt with a rifle by myself until I was 16. I hunted with a shotgun when I was 13. I wouldn’t buy a 22 that wouldn’t shoot shorts. I got a new Marlin 22 that shoots them all. It’s zeroed with stingers but I can still hit dead on with shorts but it’s a little low. U gotta hold over about a inch or half at 30 yards.cant hunt squirrels n hot weather n Ky ticks will eat you alive even if you spray with deet.not worth the trouble and I got my own place. Cold weather I hunt deer. Great video. 👍

I had a Browning SA .22 short ATD Miroku made in Japan since the 70's and it is deadly on squirrels - I now have two of them - unlike the Remington 552 that uses a sloppy chamber design such that it is able to handle all types of .22s - and is both heavy and awkward - this one works flawlessly and is very light and handy - but amazingly - I have used that rifle to pop dozens of coyotes - one shot and down - never once has it failed me - and often at ranges of 75+ yards. As a kid I had learned about the .22 short - when I wanted to go squirrel hunting but was short cash for ammo - amazingly the .22 short was actually better for squirrel hunting in my old $15.00 Savage - a rifle that loaded better as single shot than as semiautomatic - but kill squirrels was what it did best. The Browning made things way too easy - the first time out I had 13 squirrels in less than two hours of hunting - the gun was extremely effective - so much so that I decided to only the tree rats running through the tree tops - but even doing that was ridiculously easy - plus the report was so mild that you didn't require time for things to settle down after shooting - the real surprise came though when we got word of feral dogs attacking the farm animals on a friends farm - we drove over there fast - all I had with me was that .22 short - my buddy took off on his dirtbike and beat us there - and by the time I was out and about with that .22 short - my buddy on the bike was being cornered by a huge and very aggressive German shepherd - and he was begging me for assistance as the snarling dog was closing in - I raised the little gun and shot one time - and just like that it was all over. I'm a dog owner and dog lover - but this was very different - I was stunned at how effective the diminutive .22 short was - so the next time I had my dogs out for a walk in the national forest - I brought it along - a coyote pack chanced on us and began working in to attack my samoyeds - big mistake - I just kept shooting and by the time it was over there were four less coyotes in the world - never underestimate the .22 short - it's a very can do round. Somewhere on here they assess the .22 short vs the .22 LR - and to their amazement - the little .22 short fared every bit as well in the testing as the .22 LR - (though there is a range limitation - certainly not a big deal to me). Winchester also makes the .22 short hp - but though they make it - nobody sells it - and I was about to buy a brick directly from Winchester - when I got word of some for sale - CCI copper plated HP - I now own 5,000 more rounds - in addition to the 500 rounds that I already had - a mix of the Remington/Augilla/Winchester/CCI from previous purchases - I'm good for a while.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting comments. One thing that caught my attention was the one regarding Winchester ammo. You say they still make the .22 short hollow point but nobody sells it? I have not seen it anywhere, but I will make an attempt to buy it direct. If I do, I'll post it on my channel. Thanks for sharing your stories of .22 short adventures.

Thank you for your videos. My gun dealer turned me on to a few 22 shorts. I fire them in my Sidekick 9 shot revolver,

WOW!!: Wonderful Time Machine is actually what the stubby .22 Short is!!.. This great video of you took me back some half a Century!. Not too many 2A ppl know .22Short was the first sucessful self.contained ctg, over 160 yrs ago. I'd dare think many of us Old Timers grew up in (IMHO) The Era of Innocence, when .22 Shorts ruled, and for bigger critters, .30-30 Win was enough, along with .30 'ought six. Probably after 60's - 70's the 'Magnumitis' Syndrome affected .22 Short popularity. Definitely, over 50% of my rifles are rimfires, from my Remi Nylon 66, (Loved it so much, I had a friend 'smith machine a 17.25" Marlin Microgroove cut.off bbl, which I glass bedded with great results, some 2" shorter OAL), thru my 541.S + Win 9422 Classic + Marlins 60 & 995 + Anschutz 54 Custom. Even my old S&W K.22, Ruger 22.45 MkIII as well as a couple.22 conversion kits for my 1.911's, being tuned for accuracy + reliability. Still prefer .22 Shorts, and YES, another .22 Short video is an awsome idea!!; BTW, C.O: I hope you're really doing better from those nasty 'stones. Many, many thanks & Blessings to you, family & followers!.. 😊🇺🇲💪🙏🙏🙏🙏

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

The .22 short is apparently still more popular than I thought, because whenever I find it available it always seems to go pretty quickly. I also don't see the need for the blistering cartridges that so many shooters have adopted. The standard calibers and cartridges have always been plenty powerful for me. If younger hunters and shooters would just practice patience, and develop shooting skills so they can put that bullet where it needs to go, then they can harvest game easily. I'll admit that magnum cartridges are more effective, especially at longer ranges, but more often than not a standard cartridge can do the job with the proper bullet and marksmanship.

It was the first video i saw from you! At the beginning i thought i was watching Hickok 45☺️☺️

we enjoyed this fine presentation. we love the 22. short

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to bring you videos that interest you. Stay tuned for more soon. Thanks for watching.

excellent presentation. i really enjoyed it. i mostly use shorts in a savage rascal single shot rifle for squirrel and chipmunk removal in my garden or for plinking cans with my single six. useful and good fun. take care

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it. I should be making some more similar videos soon.

@fredmeebley

3 жыл бұрын

I use shorts for increased tube mag capacity and quiet report. Love plinking and hunting small game with them. Use them in my Henry lever rifle and Ruger revolver.

Great video Tom, I believe the old Winchester Model 190 semi-automatic also shot .22s-l-lr. JT

Great shooting.

Great video. Just got a brick of shorts from Sportsman’s Guide. Price delivered was slightly over 50 bucks with shipping and tax. Will order more in the future. My main concern is the noise from long rifle and also the added danger from the added velocity. Great video on a great cartridge and .22 rifles.

I enjoy shooting the shorts, long and long rifle. Just can't use them in semi autos but I like that. Makes kids take their time and aim, plus brings me back to when I was a kid. I really enjoyed your video. You may be the next Hicock45!

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

I tend to agree. Todays kids (and to me anyone up to 30 years old is a kid) seem to want to shoot in rapid fire succession. I guess that's why AR's are so popular. We should be focusing on making every shot count, and practice good marksmanship. What good does it do to send dozens of rounds downrange and miss every shot? A cool marksman that can hit small targets at long range consistently one shot at a time is much more impressive to me. That's what we should be teaching our kids.

@davidstepeck2644

3 жыл бұрын

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman I couldn’t have said it better myself. That’s why my son’s first 22 wasn’t a Ruger 10-22, but instead a Remington Scoremaster model 511 which is a bolt action 22. Plus it accepts shorts, longs and long rifle ammunition since it’s not a semi auto, the bolt feeds the round flawlessly every time.

@theunforgivenpuritan4102

3 жыл бұрын

My Henry H001 is perfect for all these...Shorts, longs, LR...and manufacturer. And it keeps your rate of fire sllllooowwww

I love the little .22 short! Great for hunting and plinking. I really like filling up the tube of my Winchester 9422 and plinking away with what feels like a bottomless magazine. On semiautos cycling .22 shorts, another old rifle that will do it goes by many names. It was made by Savage and is commonly called the Gill Gun or Click-Clack. They had all sorts of designations, changing based on where they were being sold. They are fine old guns you can get for little these days, generally $150 or under.

I have a Remington 581 also, been shooting 22 longs from 1960s. Going to buy some CCI shorts and sight it in and take on some ground squirrels.

This video and the comments section is why I recommend tube magazines. My R581 functions flawlessly with LR, but chokes on shorts. I need to dig out the W69a and see what it does. Luckily a single shot can use anything and my son owns a pump that feeds anything. Shorts definitely have a place.

In a tight area, a short HP is an excellent squirrel round when sighted in at 25 yards with a good scope.

companies sell what sells, CCI and Winchester make a run of 22 WRF occasionally, perhaps winchester will put out some hollow point 22 shorts sometime in the future after they catch up from the current panic. I found your channel yesterday and am subscribed thanks for the great content.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true. After all they are in business to make money. It would be nice to see Winchester or Remington step up in offering a better variety of .22 ammo, and the .22 short hollowpoint would sell, because I have seen an entire shelf stacked with CCI short HP, disappear in a matter of a few days. I haven't seen any more since then, and people are asking for it.

I love the ,22 short and stocked up to the gills in case they do ever stop or slow production! My granddaughter loves it and will blow through several hundred rounds in a day of plinking around the farm. So Papa has to make sure to have plenty on hand for her when she wants to go out and shoot! Sadly the days of $0.25-$0.50 a box are over. I usually find it for $14.99 a box of 100. I've found it on sale for $11.99 a few times. It always 100 round boxes now and i haven't seen a 50 round box in years.(at least in my area)

Haven't seen Remington shorts in years. Saw a conversation short kit for a 10/22.

I have a Winchester 290 chambered in .22 Short, Long and Long Rifle. It cycles perfectly with the Shorts and you can definitely notice the difference in bolt cycle velocity when shooting the HV Long Rifles. So far I've only found the CCI .22 Shorts in the general vicinity of my grid coordinates They work just fine. I've knocked off several foxes and other smallish furbearers with it over the years using Shorts. I'm also confident they'd work on lynx and coyotes in thick cover at short range. My experience with the Shorts since I don't have another Short load to compare the CCIs to, is that at 25 yrds they group pretty tight. By the time they get to 50, they've opened quite a bit. Still minute-of-fox vitals, but I won't and don't need to risk shooting out past 50yrds.

Winchester mod 1890 in .22 short was rifled with a 1 in 20 twist, the long rifle was a 1 in 16 and the WRF special used 1 in 14.

Had a Winchester rifle with octagon barrel on a dairy farm. Used to use my lunch money to buy 22 shorts when I was in high school. I don’t have that rifle today but wish I did. That was before I started serious gun collecting.

I have a first year Remington model 24 in short only- the sweetest shooting gun you will ever shoot.

581s,24 in. barrel, 3x9x40 scope. CCI Standard Velocity 29gn, lead RN, 710fps. CCI 27gn HP, 1105fps. With the long barrel no silencer needed. I use both. The HP is a perfect Rat Wacker. I took a piece of Aluminum Round stock, drilled on the drill press, pilot hole drilled to keep every thing centered. Put a Short 29gn RN in the bottom, then I used a piece of Allen wrench with a sharpened point, pushing it into the bullet nose ever so lightly. This produces a nice HP. Flip the allen around you can get a Flat nose.

Another excellent video.........got a Glenfield-Marlin bolt rifle and use shorts in a basement bullet trap... be well.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the compliment. I am planning on making another .22 short video soon. (a part 2 to this video), and I will be testing more loadings in the short cartridge.

My Ruger MKII seems to prefer longs to LR accuracy wise. Will reliably cycle longs too, if only like 5 or 6 are loaded in the mag.

The Remington 580, 581, 582 series rifles have a very uniques bolt lock up method with six locking lugs at the rear of the bolt. This allows the head of the bolt to be free floating so when you lock a 22 round into the chamber the free floating bolt head allows the round itself to center the bullet head in the bore which increases accuracy. Also this bolt has I think the fastest lock time of ANY rifle made something like 600 mil a seconds. Lock time is the time the sear releases the firing pin to the time the firing pin hits the cartridge. The faster the lock time the better the accuracy. Bottom line is these series of rifles including the 541 which has the same bolt system are usually extremely accurate. All of them GREAT! Rifles.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

If I had to choose just one .22 rifle to own, it would be the Remington 581. The 582 would be a close second. Thank goodness, and the second amendment, we have the freedom to own and choose a great variety of guns......for now anyway. We don't know what future administrations will try to impose upon us.

shorts are great for trapping. I need to try the cci short hp, didnt know they existed...thank you

@danflynn7592

Жыл бұрын

The .22 sort is great for trapping - been there - done that - just not the hollow points there

Sir, I had a lovely old Winchester semi-automatic rifle (Model 74 I think and last made in 1955) that fired .22 short only. What a lovely rifle and very accurate at 25 yards with Eley Rapid Fire Pistol ammunition (around 700/750 FPS from memory). Unfortunately .22 short ammunition became very hard to get after the pistol ban in the UK and it very sadly went for scrap. I still miss it, especially as it was the gun that I used to teach my nine year old daughter to shoot. She is 37 now and still regularly sends me on a guilt trip for letting it go.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

I should have done some research in regards to semi-auto rimfire rifles that can cycle .22 short ammo. I stand corrected. I'll be on the lookout for a Winchester model 74 in some upcoming local gun shows. Maybe I'll get lucky enough to find one. If so I will post a video dedicated to that model. Thanks for the story (although somewhat sad), and thanks for watching. Best Wishes

@terencegamble4548

3 жыл бұрын

@@CumberlandOutdoorsmanSeasonal Greetings! Sir, no way did I mean to correct you, just wanted to share a good experience. I hope that you are lucky and find a model 74. Best Wishes.

@williamosterheim1695

3 жыл бұрын

Rifles made for 22 short only generally have a different rifling twist thaan those nade for 22 lr

I have a winchester 290, it can shoot 22 LR, L, and Shorts. I can fit 22 short cartridges on the tubular magazine, its real fun to shoot.

Another great video my friend, your 581 is a lot more accurate than the 552, I traded my 552 speedmaster in because it was not very accurate at all even though trying several different ammo choices. I like the CCI short hp as well but prefer Eley subsonic hp for squirrel hunting. Looking forward to the rabbit cooking recipe. thanks again.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

4 жыл бұрын

I should probably do a video on the Remington 581 rifles I have. They are such good little shooters. BTW, I bought some Eley subsonic hp like you suggested, but have not tried them out yet. Maybe a ammo comparison using the 581's I have on hand would make a nice presentation.

@squirrelhunter4life909

4 жыл бұрын

The eley subsonics are very accurate in my Winchester 52 B and my CZ 452 Ultralux ,cant wait to see if you have the same luck with your 51.@@CumberlandOutdoorsman

.22 shorts cycle very good in my Remington nylon 66 and extremely well in my Henry lever action

Speed master is a great rifle . Remington had it figured out . What happened ? The centerfire simi is a fine rifle as well.

Nice video. I know that my Henry .22 lever guns will run .22 short, long, and long rifle.

I've got several boxes of the .22 short HPs from CCI. They are quiet and effective

Back when I started in the late 50s shorts were for squirrels and rabbits, longs for fur bearers up to coyotes. If you were carrying lrs it as assumed you were pouching deer.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

It's hard to find any .22 longs nowadays. The .22 long rifle has become the king of rimfire loadings, and that includes the newest additions such as the .17 rimfires currently available. The .22 short is still available, but not nearly as common. Still a great little round though as I mentioned in the video.

@jasonswiatkowski9127

3 жыл бұрын

Funny how the industry has pushed the "more power" idea even into the realm of small game hunting. Rabbit today aren't any tougher to kill than they were 100 years ago.

@danflynn7592

Жыл бұрын

Oh ya! saw lots of deer taken with the 22# bow - even saw a few bears go down in the Hurley town dump - one shot through the eye - while on dirt bikes - in case you missed - ask Walley Bowers

I noticed you talk about hypervelocity bullets you mentioned a CCI Stinger and the Remington yellow jacket Aguila makes the best hyperbullet

I used 22 shorts in my Heritage rough rider ,,fun plinker

Now you make me wish I would have kept some of my old shell

...paid 15 bux for 100 of these (Remington) this past weekend at the West Palm Beach show...first time I've seen them in AGES!!!

Great video with lots of good information that is valid... I have fired .22 shorts all my life of 61 years of hunting and shooting small game and even upland birds, ruf grouse , blue grouse that we have in the pacific northwest ... With election time heating up with more gun control crap on the agenda , panic buying set in once more in the pacific northwest , ammo is almost all gone.. some odd calibers .. I tried one of my favorite , Midway usa , backorder out of stock page after page , about all that's left is Olympic grade and Match grade ... Local gun stores here local all i could find in 4 different stores was .22 Shorts , not any problem for me so bought my limit of 3 boxes per day.. My Ruger 77/22 will feed .22 shorts even though it's not suggested by Ruger .. My Ruger revolver fires .22 shots fine .. My S&W revolver same thing , it fires fine groups on target .. All that was left on the shelve was CCI HV .22 Shorts.. I'm glad to have them ... It took my back to hunting small game 50 years ago using .22 shorts .. I even remember the price back then was $0.39 per box of 50 ..

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! I don't think the price will ever go back down to reasonable levels, but they should come down from what they are now as time goes by. I'm glad to see you got some ammo for you guns. Better to have .22 short than nothing at all, and as I showed in the video, the .22 short is still very useful. CCI makes some fine ammo. Thanks for sharing.

@normanmallory2055

3 жыл бұрын

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman yes I do agree with you . The .22 short std or hi vel is very useful and my firearms group them fine .. My S&W 617 groups tighter than my Ruger single six..Maybe not head shots on squirrels but I won't starve..

Well now I'm looking for a Speedmaster :)

@billyparker2630

3 жыл бұрын

They are hard to come by I had one given to me and bought my second one unless you want to buy new at about $700 plus

In the 50’s we could buy .22 shorts for $.40 cents a box of 50 or 6 -.22 shorts for $.05 cents at the General Store, and that is what we hunted with. We could sometimes buy .22 longs for 1 cent each, almost never .22 long rifle they were big medicine at 4 for $.05 cents. We always tried to get the most for our money on the farm, one shot one animal.

Thanks for the great video, very informative. Are those old rounds still good? I ask because I have several boxes of 22 LR and Short Hollow Point from the 70s. Used some 5-10 years ago and had about 2 out of 50 misfires.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

I think they should be ok as long as they were stored properly. The priming compound and powder should hold their integrity as long as the ammo isn't exposed to moisture. If you have some old boxes of ammo, they may be worth some money to a collector, so you might want to re-consider shooting it if that is your intention.

@barrrylincoln

3 жыл бұрын

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman Thanks. No, they have been in my desk drawer.

I had an old Glenfield model 25 when I was a kid back in the 70s. It would reliably feed .22 Shorts from its box magazine. I sold it many years ago because the action and barrel were set into the stock off center and angled to the left a little. It didn't effect performance at all but was aesthetically unpleasing to look at. That was the only bolt action .22 rifle I've ever had that would feed .22 shorts from a box magazine. Really wish I hadn't gotten rid of that Glenfield. It was not finicky about ammo and was accurate with just about anything I fed it.

Since I saw this video, I picked up 5 boxes of CCI shorts both hp and solid. I am looking forward to how accurate they are. Gonna probably get more. I have several guns that accept them.

@PetuniaIii-pd1ww

3 жыл бұрын

We have been shooting shorts out of our heritage...the rounds all go bang, and are surprisingly accurate...we do have to spend a couple extra minutes cleaning the cylinder, but that isn't rocket science...our local gun shop has had the shorts on the shelf and even buying 1 box a day (limit), we have scored 800 rds...that is 800 rds of long rifle that gets to stay in the stash...

I shoot CCI short hp when I can find them. My Henry H001 lever rifle and 2Ruger Wranglers shoot long rifle, longs and shorts. Also my 61 Winchester(1947) pump shoots all 3 rounds. Lets get these people to make more of them and cheaper !!!!!! :-)

Pretty cool! I never shot 22 short. I'm going to start shooting them now. I've been shooting long rifle all this time. Awesome & educational. Have you ever tried a lever action 22?

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

4 жыл бұрын

I don't personally own a lever action .22, but a friend of mine owns a Marlin 39A, and I'm hopeful he will let me borrow it to make another video. I would love to own a classic lever action like that.

@seeknknowthetruth

4 жыл бұрын

I inherited my Dad's winchester lever action in 22lr. The rifle I learned on that rifle. I bring out and shoot it with sons.

@jean-louish9494

3 жыл бұрын

I use 22 short in my browning bl22. It's nice to shoot gongs.

@danflynn7592

Жыл бұрын

Levers/pumps/semiautos/single shots/bolt actions - model 24 Savages - I have and have used them all.

Are you by chance from Va? If so I think I live mighty close by lol I have always loved 22s. When I was younger I’d load them up and head out to the four wheeler and ride around all day giving the squirrels hell and bustin turtles from the fishing ponds. Some of the best memories I have, hope my son gets to do the same

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

I am actually in Tennessee, but just like you I absolutely love .22's, especially the older ones.

I always leave a box of cci upstairs shorts are awesome out and about around here

Not sure now but before the pandemic Aguila used to make a short hollow point I'm always been a big fan of Aguila

The Winchester model 190 semi-auto will shoot shorts very well. Doesn't say so on the barrel but it will. I suppose that trappers used and still use more shorts more than anybody else. Some states specify the 22 short be used on trapped furbearers.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the informative comment. I think I know where I can get my hands on a Win. 190, so if I do I'll make another video around the Winchester 190 and the .22 short cartridge.

I buy them every chance I get.

@fredmeebley

3 жыл бұрын

Me too, love the CCI rounds

I still have a box of Remington CBee. They are a keepsake item. My dad gave them to me because, he couldn't use them. I shot a Savage model 3. He couldn't shoot them in his semi-auto.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Remington CBee's are actually a collectors item. If you still have a full box they are worth a nice price so don't shoot them.

@danflynn7592

Жыл бұрын

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman - anybody who has done any hunting and is my age (older than dirt according to my younger sister) has boxes of collector items around - I have dozens of boxes of old classic discontinued rounds - including .356 Winchesters - with no .356 Winchester rifle.

The ones I buy are the 22 short subsonic. 710fps. by CCI.

@danflynn7592

Жыл бұрын

.22 shorts are all subsonic

I’m surprised by the expansion. Looks like Aguilla is for real as well.

Hey Tom you gonna let me use that 581 when we go squirrel hunting this winter

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I've already got some places in mind for us to hunt.