When I first started shooting, I used Winchester Super X shorts, in the yellow box, now get this, at summer camp. 1960 and 1961. I'd buy a box every day and a target and spend almost all day shooting that one target. By the end of two weeks I could put almost all 50 shots through one hole on the bullseye. It was a basketball camp and to this day I still can't play basketball.

@davidkachel

6 ай бұрын

So, there is a degree of wisdom in making it easy for inner city kids to have access to basketballs!! ;-)

In the 50s we used Remington Rockets , 22 shorts 15 grain slintered iron bullets, if you hit something solid the would disintegrate. They came in a package of 28 rounds for 28 cents. They were used in shooting galleries , velocity’s about 1500 fps. Really good rabbit getters.

My grandfather used to use those CB on chipmunks at his bird feeders as they wouldn't put holes in his feeders. This was in the 70's when he was in his 60's (which I am now kicking the door in). He kept shooting until in his 90's. The .22 short is a great small game cartridge indeed, but lately I have been using these new PCP air rifles which are putting out nearly, if not as much, power! That being said I still do shoot the shorts.

When I was a teenager growing up in the 1960's 22 shorts were very common and priced less than 22 LR. Today 22 shorts, if you can find them, are always priced higher than 22 LR. Back then you could walk into any hardware store or general store and buy 22 ammo.

@sixoffive

Жыл бұрын

I remember the UtoteM at the end of my street selling some ammo like .22 and shotgun shells.

I love shooting the 22 short and until I became an adult I seldom shot LR cartridges, as a boy in the late 50’s and early 60’s I bought 22 short Winchester for a penny each and could buy a nickel or dimes worth as my allowance was a quarter twice a month when my dad got paid until I got my first job when I was 11 working sacking groceries for 50 cents an hour and I was rolling in the dough working 15 hours a week and could buy my shells a box at a time, my Winchester 62A would eat those shorts right up and still will today

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Great story. Thanks for sharing.

I have a 22 short rifle that I bought at an Estate sale, It was used heavily and has its share of wear and tear, but it still is a straight shooter. It’s amazing to see a rifle that will NOT accept .22lr or .22long and shoots like a champ. Easily one of my favorites even though it is a second hand tool.

In the 30s there was a bounty on skunks and magpies in our area. My dad said as a kid he would shoot enough of them to be able to buy another box of ammo. That is how he kept his .22 fed. It was an old Springfield single shot. He said he shot so many .22 shorts that he couldn't chamber longs anymore until he cleaned out the carbon ring.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Great story. Thanks for sharing.

@comodice905

21 күн бұрын

Sad but true

@FrankCouch1847

18 күн бұрын

My Dad in the late 20's and early 30's shot only shorts out of the family 22(cheapest). He shot a number of critters for bounty and food for the family. He said shorts were 11 cents a box and sold individually also.

@comodice905

18 күн бұрын

@@FrankCouch1847 what r u saying shipmate nein shipmate nein

In this video I incorrectly named the Union Metallic Cartridge Company as "United M.C.C.". I stand corrected.

@garywemmer9342

8 ай бұрын

Noticed that strait away. But it is your program, and who am I to scold the " master"? Thank you for all you do, for the shooting community, and our beloved second amendment!!!!!

You may have turned me into a 22 short convert. Thank you. It's obvious you went to a lot of work and effort to make that video. They were very informative. We appreciate it !

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

4 ай бұрын

I appreciate you as well. 😊

Cumberland outdoorsman, I do believe I have watched this at least 5 times. One of your best videos.👍👍👍🇺🇸🙏🏽✌🏻

One of the many worrisome point regarding squirrel hunting has been the fact that when you shoot at a squirrel on a tree, the elevation means the bullet can travel fairly far and go clean through a squirrel, especially the long rifle high velocity. I've often worried about that. Perhaps the 22 short is the answer

@notanymore9471

4 ай бұрын

Pellet gun.

Excellent video, thank you. I love reading the comments of people buying and shooting shorts as kids to.

Agreed, I love the 22 short!

I remember many of those. I always thought the yellow and red Super X boxes by Western were pretty. I never bought many 22 shorts but I remember buying the red box of Federal Hi-Power. Back about 1978 I knew a fellow who had a small business and had to carry cash to the bank once a week. Well one day he said he finally bought a gun to carry with his deposit. It was the cutest gun I ever saw. He pulled out a tiny but very well made Beretta automatic that shot 22shorts exclusively. Such a cute little gun.

I enjoyed this one very much, and all the .22 stuff you do. But an extra thanks for demoing the cb caps. Very cool.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

4 ай бұрын

Those are some interesting little rounds. I wish they were still being made.

Winchester once made a very fancy Schuetzen single shot competition rifle in .22 short. It was a popular target round. I have a Winchester low wall single shot known as a Winder musket in .22 short, a 9 lb. Gun.

Great presentation. Thank you

Another awesome video in your .22 series !!! Thanks so much for the superb quality and informative video !!! 😁🇺🇸😁🇺🇸

Thank you for this series on the 22, I have found it quite informative.

Another great video. Thanks.

Great video.... a lot of detailed information with actual examples. 2 thumbs up dude!

Nice demonstration. Thank you.

Your love for hollow 22 short is contagious! ❤

Great video, good info, look forward to the next one..cheers from the uk 🇬🇧

Thank you for another great video really enjoyed it! Used to do a lot of indoor shooting with those Cb mini caps 😮in a bolt action 22 Remington!

Great video, I really enjoyed it. Going to pick up some cci hp, hv, shorts when I see them.Thanks!

Sir, I recently found your channel and I enjoy your videos, especially the rim fire videos. Your collection of older.22 shorts, longs, and long rifles are impressive! It brings back old memories of my ammunition used when I squirrel hunted as a teenager. I started off with a Winchester Model 170, I believe; a semi auto tube fed.22LR. I graduated to a.22 revolver of my dad’s when I turned 15. As a 8-12 year old, dad bought me a Winchester single shot.410 which took many gray squirrels. Keep up the great work!!

CCi CB shorts are a real blast to shoot with my kids. Nice video, cool collection

Thanks again Cumberland Outdoors, I totally agree with you last couple of statements. They are still viable for those pestle critters.👍👍👍🙏🏽🙂✌🏻🇺🇸

Thanks for the video and great info my friend I love those tiny .22 rounds Have a few myself from years ago

The .22 Short is truly amazing. I used to not give them a second thought, but when I saw you picking off squirrels in your earlier videos, I gave them a try. Nothing shabby about them. I picked up a brick of the CCI Short hollow points. Good content that really exposes the performance of this little round. I’ve got some of the little tiny CB rounds around here somewhere, if they turn up I am going to see what they can do. An old friend gave them to me over 40 years ago, no telling how old they are.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

I never really tested those tiny rounds, but maybe I can use them in another video? I wish I knew if they are still in production.

@cameronlamb7274

10 ай бұрын

@@CumberlandOutdoorsmanRWS and a couple others make bb and cub caps still

@steveray8022

9 ай бұрын

One day about Thirty years ago. I had 5 squirrels chasing each other. They were running down the phone lines. Pole to pole down the line to the tree jumping on my house. Thud, thud, thud, thud, thud down the line. I worked nights back then and I wasn't Happy. I have a 39A and put to use with the Acorn CB . This was in the middle of the city. I took out 4 of the 5. They are sub-sonic. My ex father in-law really enjoyed them. @@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Tom you are so good at making a nice down to earth video. I learn so much from you. You remind me of simple times in the field that I remember having with my late father. Keep up the good work.

@christinamoneyhan5688

Жыл бұрын

In my case it was my Uncle Peat. RI P.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Great video ❤

Good job. Thanks

I use the CCI Shorts HP on varmints up to large foxes, very effectively!! I wouldn’t hesitate using them on a small coyote if he were within 25 yards. I’ve been VERY impressed with em! They were instrumental in learning my granddaughter on hunting. Not that Long Rifle isn’t great also but the Shorts just don’t have hardly any report out of my 24” barrel. When we target shoot they know the steel targets just as hard as many .22LR

Great video. Thanks for the information. I love reading everyone’s story about them shooting the short back in the day. Am a lot younger than those people but a lot of the stories remind me about myself and shooting 22 LR. I have shot the 22 short before but as another person said seems like if you can find them they are more expensive than the 22 LR.

Great info on the shorts. Do use the CCI shorts but wish other ammo companies produced also. Thanks another hit.

Good video on the 22 short, I have always liked them also as a matter of fact I just bought cci shorts at a gun show Saturday. I like your vintage collection I also have a collection of 22 shorts , thanks for the video and take care

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!😊

I recall back in the Fabulous Fifties, shorts and longs were more popular than they are today. That was because they were cheaper. Whilst a box of fifty long rifles would be up in the 90 plus cent range, longs would be down in the 70 cent range and shorts were down in the high fifties to somewhere in the sixties. In these modern times, long rifles are cheaper, so why bother with a lesser cartridge at a higher price? Shorts especially are likely to balk in most bolt action repeaters. If you want less noise, just go with standard velocity or target loads. Long barrles help too.

From the time I was about 10 years old till I was 15 I carried an old single shot, open sight Remington bolt action .22 through hundreds of miles of woods with a pocket of .22 shorts. My Dad always said there must be 100 lbs of lead in the creek banks that ran along our property. It's a shame kids have so much to worry and be afraid of, my biggest worry was to get Mom to bring me into town so I could buy more shells at the Western Auto. I think they were about .35 cents a box.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

5 ай бұрын

Wonderful story. Thanks for sharing.

The "U" on the cartridge head is for Union Metalluc Cartridge. Love all your videos!

I love .22 rifles. Your Model 552 is a fine looking rimfire rifle. Thanks for sharing. UMC Union Metallic Cartridge Co.

Great Video Sir ! I used the .22 short on a northern ( Canada)trapline for years. They worked well without a lot of fur damage. I read that those cartridges marked ," Kleenbore " Had powdered glass mixed with the priming . They apparently worked well to reduce fowling with the old types of powder used in those days.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

That's interesting. Thanks for the info.

Great video and info! Just picked up a Remington 582. Will have to try some of that ammo in it!

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

4 ай бұрын

Then we have something in common because I just got a 582 myself. Look for a video coming out soon featuring the Remington 582 and 581.

@danielnichols9049

4 ай бұрын

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman looking forward to it!

As always Tom a fun day shooting is better than better than watching TV. Stay safe and see ya again

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it.

You have a great youTube site, I also love to shoot Vintage 22 rimfire rifles, regards from Canberra Australia

Fantastic video I love the 22 short hp also❤ ihave a beretta 950bs in both 22 short and 25 acp in a houston phone book a remington 27 gr hp went to page 1035 expanded to .32 caliber the 25 50 gr fmj went to page 750 both shot at 10 foot😂

Few people know that the first .22 rimfire cartridge was the short. LR came later. The short was introduced as a self defense round in 1857 for a S&W revolver. And yes, the short is a fun and useful round.

I still used CCI 22 short cb round for quiet plinking and small game hunting for ground squirrels. Out of my 22 Browning BL22 very accurate and deadly for nailing grounds. I still have boxes of Federal .22 short hollow point used for my .22 short beretta handgun,

As you may notice, 'Federal' (or some variant of the company) sold under its own name, as well as MANY department stores' cartridges...Montgomery Ward, Sears, K-Mart, Big-K, and as a lower cost provider to Western Auto (to name but a few...there were many more).

Your Remington bolt action looks like a very nice rifle. It must be a pleasure to have.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

It is a nice little rifle, and a real shooter.😊

.22 short is neat. Will do the same job as .22lr will do within 50 yds. The Floberts are great for less than 35 yds work. Nowadays, airguns are dominating the market where these cartridges were popular. Guns in these chambers were widespread on Fairs, Young scouts and in schools(blieve it or not). Great rounds for what they are :)

Awesome video, chock full of valuable information! Really love this series on .22, whether shorts or LR. Question for you though, I have a Marlin Model 80 DL with a stamp of "A" on the bolt action receiver, no serial number. It was given to me by my grandfather when I was very young (early '60s). Any info/opinion on that rifle? You're the only person with knowledge/expertise that I trust, since you have a great collection. It would be greatly appreciated! By the way, great channel! -Steve-

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support. Here is a link in which the Marlin model 80 was the topic of discussion. marlin-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6713

We have about 800 shorts on hand, primarily the cci round nose...I like shorts, within range they are accurate and effective...hopefully the ammo manufacturers continue to put shorts out here, as the caliber is capable for what it was designed for, small game and target shooting...

Great little cartridges Tom, I've hunted a lot of squirrel and rabbit using the .22 short. JT

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. As a youngster growing up on a small, poor Southern farm, one of the best Christmas memories I recall is receiving my own box of Federal 22 shorts in my stocking. Like many back then, money was very tight, and when dad would allow me to use his old Remington single shot 22, I could only have 2 or 3 bullets from his single box of bullets. Hunting small game on the farm and neighbors' woodlands helped supplement our meager meat rations and would add a squirrel or two or a rabbit to the stew pot. If I missed, most likely, it would be an all veggie supper again. Occasionally, I would earn enough money from choirs through neighbors and relatives that I could buy a 50 cent box of 22 short HP's from the local dollar store or Western Auto. Eventually, I learned to become a fairly decent shot with the old single shot, and as the years went by and I became a teen, I worked summer jobs for minimum wage and bought a brand new Remington 572 for around $69. I cannot imagine how many thousands of 22 shorts and LR's I shot through that rifle and how many game animals it took. Not satisfied, by around my 20th birthday and making a decent factory wage, I bought a Remington 581 bolt rifle and 3x9 scope that is still with me these many decades later. It was a squirrel sniper with 22 shorts and 22LR standard velocities, and for a time, there was a fishing lure company who paid 10 cents a squirrel tail, sometimes 15 cents for fox squirrel tails, and at the end of the season, I would ship off scores of tails to them. Usually, the money I made off those tails supplied me with hunting ammo for many years. Most of my family and friends are gone now, but the memories of all those boxes of 22 shorts and hunting times still remain. It is rather sad to know so many of the old companies no longer make these, for it was with these old bullets so many of us cut our teeth on small game hunting and plinking.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your fond memories. 😊

@yourmomma2995

4 ай бұрын

last i knew meps was till buying squirrel tails.

I still have about 1000 rounds left of 22 shorts that I bought over 30 years ago. They cost more than 22 LR now. I have a high velocity .177 pellet rifle that makes more noise than the 22short. My Henry lever action shoots them just fine and it is accurate out to above 30 yards. No squirrels left in my neck of the woods.

When they quit making 22 short ammo they didn't have a clue that they hurt so many people that used this ammo all the time in my opinion you could not beat the 22 short standard class ammogood info keep up the good work. Beagleman

I have a bunch of 22 shorts, Remington hp's at that! Had them for quiet sometime. Very nice collection! I remember at 8 years old buying 22's, 75 cents a box

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Those were the days.....

@heidiholiday1879

Жыл бұрын

I bought shorts for 12 cents a box in late 40's.

You now are going to have to Chronograph those little CB caps.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

I should make a video dedicated to those tiny rounds. What do you think?

@christinamoneyhan5688

8 ай бұрын

I agree with that .👍👍👍🇺🇸✌🏻Just watched this video for the 4th time. Like your presentations and information. Yes I’m late in response to your question.

S&B in Czechia is still selling both 22 short and flobert - ball and pointed. but flobert is almost 2x price of other 22. the reason is anyone over 18 can buy flobert firearm. no licence required. First firearm I bought at the age of 18 was Alfa Brno revolver in 22 flobert. I still have it but dont shoot it much because of ammo price.

I don't think the scope on the Marlin set until those first two shots were fired causing the two groups. I tap my scope a few times after an adjustment to settle it.

my go to squirrel hunting round in early season

When indoor shooting, used to set a foot piece of old barn beam on my bar, sit there with a handgun and shoot 100 rounds in the house. They only went about a quarter inch into the thing. Totally safe with safety glasses on!

@jstud999

10 ай бұрын

I thought I was the only one who did stuff like this lol

@thermionic1234567

6 ай бұрын

I suppose I could do that as well; but didn’t you miss from time to time and Nick some furniture or walls?

I use to use shorts all the time years ago because they were cheaper

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Yes they were. Now it's the other way around. Here a 100 round box is about $12.00-$16.00.

Good video 🙏✝️👍

very interesting video, i am curious as to why you choose to hunt with shorts VS high velocity long rifle?

In New Jersey, you can hunt raccoons and possum with 22 shorts only. I would like to see a accuracy comparison between long rifle and the shorts in rifles chambered for the specific cartridge. If you can get hold of a 22 short only rifle

Used to be able to buy an insert for the .22LR chamber (1990's) that prevented carbon ring build-up. Wish I'd got a few. Maybe some enterprising entrepreneur reading this can come up with a product?

I don't understand how shorts aren't more widely manufactured. Many times the shelf space where 22 shorts should be at the places where I buy ammo is bare. Lots of people obviously still buy it.

I wonder if these tiny cb caps (floberts) fly in stabilized mode up to 100 yards? Try to set bigger paper target at 100 yards to see if they are keyholling or not. Also, there may be differences in that matter when they are fired from .22 revolver

The Winchester Mod 90 chambered in .22 short and long had twist of 1 in 20 with bore of .219 rifling dia of .224, but the LR was 1 in 16 bore was .217 rifling dia of . 222. Apparently the faster twist and shorter bullet was more accurate .

Wish there was a quality, modern J-framed or smaller size revolver chambered in 22 short (not LR cases). So far as I know, the NAA mini revolver is the only thing chambered for 22 short and it's too dainty to hang onto, and is a slow reloader.

The short HP makes a nice KA...POP when they hit a busy tail coming out of a Marlin 39A with its long barrel. There's nothing as soothing as being in a white oak flat at day break with a light fog in the tops of the trees and me God and my 22.

I've got some 22 shorts they are made by a Gillies. I don't know if I'm saying that right or not or spelling it right. I also have some made by Winchester

One other advntage of tubuler mags, like my Rem 582 is 21 rounds of .22 shorts w/o reloading.

great video, how about a video on the 22 wrf, probably the best 22 rf hunting round but the popularity of the 22 lr killed it.

@exothermal.sprocket

Жыл бұрын

Has a bullet diameter that's a little odd compared to the others, also when LR became higher velocity, it more or less matched WRF velocity so there wasn't any advantage. The 22WMR later outperforms LR by about double the energy.

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

That's correct. The .22 LR simply out-sell's the short cartridge.

...60 years ago, my dad gave me a Marlin 82c on the night I graduated 8th grade... June 1963..wish I still had it..a tube fed, boat action .22 that used 22 short, long and long rifle...it's almost impossible to find a rifle that will use .22 short, these days

UNION Metallic Cartridge !!!!

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

That's right. My mistake.

Hard to find shorts in Hawaii, got a variety of long rifle.

6 mm bb pulled apart the ball had a split like a sinker paper with 3 stick powder on it still get it but extremely expensive to buy

used to have a rossi pump action 22. i shot a squirrel running on the ground 3 times but he ran into a hole at the bottom of a tree. those were 22 short round nose. i've never bought anything but hollow points ever since.

I Found The Winchester 22 Short Hollowpoints In Small Silver Boxes in My Local Gunshop I Bought 4 Boxes and They Told Me There Still Making Them The Boxes Say SuperX 22Short Hollowpoints 😀😊😀👍🏼

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow! Do you have a location for the gun shop? I would be very interested.

The Browning SA22 short only rifles have different twists than the LR chambers. Have u found these rifles group better with LRs than Shorts?

I like shootin shorts. Even those low velocity rounds from CCI makes good squirrel getters at 40 yards and under and hardly any noise.

I just bought a box of 22 short Remington golden .Are they producing them again?

Its sad that I initially made you bolt gun as a CZ. I love old classic rimfires. Some can still be had cheaper than modern rimfires and better quality to boot.

STA*KLEAN was actually 'Federal Cartridge Company' (later to become 'Federal' that we know now)...

My guess is Winchester made the sears 22 ammo

Umc made the sportsman ammo ? Yes back I bought a brick of shorts at a gun show guy told me they were regular 22 but I shot the snot out of game .with em my old 24 she would put 5 in one ragged hole

your rifles are they chambered in 22lr and your using a 22short magazine ??

when i shoot 22 shorts in my Marlin mod 25 bolt rifle i get gas leakage back through the bullet case and down through the magazine when firing i apricate a reply thank you

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

Good question. In my opinion, it sounds like your chamber is a bit oversize. Do you ever get the same problem using LR ammo? What do the spent cases look like compared to unfired shells?

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I use to pray for 50 degrees ,,,,Why ? When i was a kid and ask my dad could we go shooting he would say yes if it get up to 50 degrees. Dad had a Remington 511 Scoremaster i could shoot well ( Which i still have) So we would grab the 511 and dad only bought 22 shorts . I remember one time on the way to shooting we stopped at a Western Auto and bought some Revelation brand shorts and me and dad couldn't hit anything ..

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

10 ай бұрын

Wonderful memories with your dad and an old .22 rifle. It's great that you still have that 511. I still have my first .22 (a Remington 581). Thanks so much for sharing your story. take care, and God bless.

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I have a full box of CBee 22.

Do you have any old shotgun shells?

Union Metallic Cartridge Company 😀😊😎👍🏼

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

Жыл бұрын

That's right, my bad...😊

It is so sad the only people still making 22 short hp is cci I say sad I am glad they still make them nothing beat the remington 22 short hp

@CumberlandOutdoorsman

6 ай бұрын

My sentiments as well.

@davidguelette7036

3 ай бұрын

I just bought a new box of 100 Remington golden bullets.

CCI 29gn RN Short. 581s magazine fed. Shorts cycle just fine. Great Rat Wrecker Round. However, shoot 50 rounds of shorts, ya gotta clean the chamber very well, 'cause Long Rifle rounds won't chamber. Gotta keep your 22's clean anyway. I don't shoot a steady diet of shorts thru my 581 but it's fun and a muffler simply NOT needed. LOL