The future: "Honey, let's go, we're late for our Starship Earth to Earth flight to LA!" "I know dear, I'm trying to reboot the car, but it keeps throwing an error."

@AdamSomething

2 жыл бұрын

On the Starship: "Dear passengers, due to unfavorable surface weather conditions we'll be landing in Shanghai instead of Los Angeles. We apologize for the inconvenience."

@soultr549

2 жыл бұрын

Dame bruh ,it looks like you got some errors in you , must be the error in system that delay you from commenting this comment

@chinesenoodles25

2 жыл бұрын

funny horsie

@francesconicoletti2547

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve already seen a video review for the VW EV released in the US that uses the phrase , reboot the car ,unironically .

@lost4468yt

2 жыл бұрын

Did you know Grey loves Tesla, is a big fan of SpaceX, and likes Musk in general?

gray: reject monkey, become robot adam: reject car, become train

@Lin_The_Cat_

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacksprat9209 Reject Detroit, Become Human.

@cosmiccoincidence8627

2 жыл бұрын

Me: reject gray and adam, become smart.

@cakeisyummy5755

2 жыл бұрын

@@fireshadow7598 Kill everyone?

@thetankhunter100

2 жыл бұрын

The virgin tin can vs the chad diesel beast.

@xiao668

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my Lord this comment is perfect

A free mugging experience? I always end up paying for mine.

@m.f.3347

2 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@nightlibra

2 жыл бұрын

underrated comment

@familiehagen7116

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/oGR_3Jqggdvgd6g.html

@mickeyboy90

2 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling you are on the other side of the mugging

@haruhirogrimgar6047

2 жыл бұрын

The mugger is getting scammed then. You are paying for the experience before they take your money. Reducing what they can actually take.

I live in germany. I live 5 minutes of walking from the closest grocery store. 2 Minutes from the closest clothing store. 5 Minutes to my Doctor 5 Minutes to a trainstation for internal or external routes 5 Minutes to multiple fast food joints or restaurants I dont even need a bike or public transport to reach 90% of my destinations in day to day life

@weatheranddarkness

Жыл бұрын

My family doctor is across town, because when I signed up that's where I lived and their office hasn't moved, but everything else is the same. Montreal

I love how a lot of the travel infrastructure videos on your channel is just “This is less efficient than a train, let’s improve it, whoops it’s a train” and i love it, it always leads back to trains

@stinkzsys4995

Жыл бұрын

Trains are the crabs/mustelids of travel infrastructure. Optimize something far enough, it becomes a train sooner or later.

@user-kh6nn4vj8m

Жыл бұрын

It reminds me about an experiment from USSR. In 1950s when new cities were built, some architects have decided to fix traffic. They have spent few years and a lot of money to test different approaches like building extra roads, separating cars from pedestrians, using "green wave" lights (that one was implemented in Moscow, St Petersburg, Almaty and other big cities) etc. but ended up with conclusion that the most efficient way of organising traffic are trams. They have calculated that just one correctly placed tramway can replace roughly 5 lanes.

@xxizcrilexlxx1505

Жыл бұрын

@@user-kh6nn4vj8m ha and in mexico is enough with 2-4 four lanes at most

@entropino9928

Жыл бұрын

Problem with trains is that you have to share it with stinky people

@entropino9928

Жыл бұрын

@Anno Kitsune I have a car

As every player of SimCity knows: the best way to get rid of a clogged road is to remove it.

@ucantSQ

Жыл бұрын

True though. Simcity doesn't work without good public transit. Kudos to the designers.

@edwardcamp3376

Жыл бұрын

Or roundabouts. You gotta love a roundabout.

@TheSkyGuy77

Жыл бұрын

Or just build public transit in Cities Skylines instead and pedestrianize the surface streets 😂

@GP_5

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkyGuy77 yep

@xofox_studio

Жыл бұрын

it's a shame that EA stopped SimCity franchises. The game could flourish if they let Maxis continue producing SimCity the way Maxis intended

Yeah I never liked this video from CGP Grey, but it really confused me, because he lives in London, and in a recent video, he said he hadn't driven in almost a decade. So he walks everywhere and takes public transit regularly, but still somehow makes a video about how to make cities incredibly shitty for pedestrians. Weird.

@annoyingguyoninternet1631

2 жыл бұрын

Funny how a London guy who hates driving love the American way of just using cars

@TereniaDelamay

2 жыл бұрын

Revisionist history did a podcast about Waymo and Pedestrian. Their conclusion is that once every car is autonomous, pedestrian will be able to stop traffic because autonomous cars will not want to hit them. Waymo slows down and stops as soon as there's a pedestrian that might cross its path even if it's not at an intersection.

@Speedbird-1

2 жыл бұрын

I never bore of the fact that you always comment leave a comment on this channel. Btw, love the Amsterdam videos.

@andrewjohnstone7943

2 жыл бұрын

@@TereniaDelamay yeah I heard this too! I think the underrated answer to this is that there's the world where we basically end car travel, and there's the world where we use physical barriers and police enforcement to ensure pedestrian-free roads. I am worried that those with legal and legislative power will produce the latter

@Banom7a

2 жыл бұрын

sound like Robert Moses

I visited London once, I liked using transit there. Someone told me a good bus technique there: jump on a bus that's going the direction you want to go, and just get off if it starts to go a direction you don't want to go. That worked well, there were buses everywhere we were going.

@uzidayo

Жыл бұрын

Londoners are lucky that they get so much public transport investment

@marcokrueger3399

Жыл бұрын

@Itisshoe It's funny cause more people are stabbed (per capita) in the US than in the UK - even without public transport.

@rareram

Жыл бұрын

@Itisshoe yeah, they are quick for trauma. But that waiting list for serious conditions is inhumane.

@rareram

Жыл бұрын

@Itisshoe the waiting list for treatment in the UK is roughly seven million. A simple Google search will highlight the horror of the situation. I hope those who might go blind are treated... :(

As someone from Germany, I was baffled when I came over to the US and discovered that almost none of the Urban centers were as walkable as back home.

@ichbinschwul187

Жыл бұрын

ich war letzten oktober in texas, wollte whataburger probieren und dachte mir ich geh zu fuß „sind ja nur 2km“. bin vom airbnb losgegangen, es gab kaum bürgersteige und habe mehr als eine stunde gebraucht. und ich war nicht irgendwo in der wüste, ich war 10km von austin entfernt in round rock.

@rareram

Жыл бұрын

The European mindset in this video is extremely obvious. Look at it this way, you can do daily errands with minor inconvenience (parking spaces, traffic, etc) or you can pay with time (waiting for the bus/train). You are from Germany, how often is the bus and train reliable?! The amount of times that I've called my boss and said "bus number 1 was late, I missed my connection, I will be late" is ridiculous.

@ShotofDespresso

Жыл бұрын

@@rareram The reliability of public transportation in Europe is still better than in the USA, and the ability to walk to the most important places in a city is still something to be considered. I don't really get your point?

@rareram

Жыл бұрын

@@ShotofDespresso a country that relies on public transportation is easier to disrupt than one that has citizens who have their own method of travel. For example the country wide mass strike of the train, air, and bus workers did result in a peaceful day. I saw a lot less people at work. No plane noises overhead. I agree that public transportation around a city is a good idea. But you have to realize that this video is proposing a blanket solution and the creator is saying that they don't care who is affected negatively. That's a very irresponsible way to attempt to change things. In the usa people like to live in the vast region that they have. In Europe space is a very limited resource... So population is a bit more compact in general. I feel like I'm rambling, but I guess my point is that both videos are a bad solution to the problem. Solutions need to be more specific to each region.

@20ZZ20

Жыл бұрын

@@rarerameople can still drive in Europe lmao there is just a choice If it doesn’t exist then your only option is driving

The fact that when CGP grey said, "no more intersections" my brain didnt question how pedestrians would cross really got me questioning my inteligence

@HarryS77

2 жыл бұрын

We just need a total overhaul of cities to include pedestrian arch bridges every 300 feet but, in practice, because of tight budgets, more like every 300 in commercial and upper income areas and every few miles in low income areas. Win-win.

@chengyanboon

2 жыл бұрын

The cars would stop. The point CGP Grey made is that humans driving cars stopping anywhere when a pedestrian crosses is unsafe and inefficient but self driving cars will be able to do it. So in theory a pedestrian could cross any time any where. Adam is strawmanning CGP Grey here by using a slippery slope into grade separation for pedestrians when nowhere did CGP Grey actually suggest that. Especially given that he a pedestrian living in London who doesn't own a car.

@gorak9000

2 жыл бұрын

That's really not a hard problem to solve. Have you ever used a cross walk with a button you press when you want to cross? Just have that alert the self driving cars that someone is crossing, and they can stop. And you can allow the same gap in the traffic to allow people at intersections to cross the road as the gap gets to them. So one gap in traffic allows everyone in that direction down the street to cross as the gap gets to them. BUT, none of this is the real solution. All he did here was go one level deeper, from "There are too many cars" to "increase density and make things walkable", which isn't really getting to the fundamental issue. The issue is there are just too many people, and promoting increased density is exactly the wrong thing, as that means there will be even more people. It's the same stupid argument that he's disproving, but just replace "too many cars" with "too many people". If you look at the population of any other species, is it continually increasing all the time? No. But with people it is. So why just go one level deeper, and kick the can further down the road, rather than address the real problem.

@grishanthmanoharan5578

2 жыл бұрын

@@gorak9000 What would your solution to an increasing population be?

@OrchidAlloy

2 жыл бұрын

Buttons to alert nearby cars sounds great on paper but that's a much harder idea to implement than you realize. A fully automated interconnected highway system is simply not scalable, having millions of independent vehicles means way too many failure points.

So basically like most sea creatures eventually evolved to crab, most transportation should eventually evolve to trains.

@taylor9782

2 жыл бұрын

its so funny how cgp writhes around trains using language like "a connected set of cars that move in unison" and didnt think of a fucking train. tech bros are incredible

@ciprianpopa1503

Жыл бұрын

Is this some kind of pun or are you really that bad with crabs.

@aryansarc

Жыл бұрын

@@ciprianpopa1503 here kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaqatJWRfLu2pto.html

@Serpenfishil

Жыл бұрын

Carcinization does not mean that most sea creatures evolve into a crab like form, it only applies to non crab like crustaceans (and even then it's not a guaranteed process as there are advantages to being more shrimp/lobster like, and sometimes even the opposite can happen, where a crab like crustacean evolves into a less crab like body)

@Serpenfishil

Жыл бұрын

@@ciprianpopa1503 it's a meme about carcinization, a process that describes how crustaceans often evolve to have a more compact body plan over time

in self driving dystopia you wouldn't even need to hack the cars to cause chaos, jamming or spoofing the sensors would be nearly as effective and much lower effort.

In all serious, I love cars but Adam Something shows how awful a car-centric society does. As such, support for public transport is absolutely needed.

Anyone:“The solution to traffic is very complex especially when you consider-ä Adam: *T R A I N*

@zycklacon9588

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, its true haha

@wassollderscheiss33

2 жыл бұрын

@@Paco1337 Sure, but some people just prefer to drive (not me, I ride a bike). They wouldn't switch unless you make driving way more uncomfortable. And that would be mean. At least from a contemporary point of view. I for once really don't like to sit in a train. It's like (unattractive) people touching my genitals.

@mrhouse6886

2 жыл бұрын

@@Paco1337 but here’s the thing it’s incredibly easy to F with train tracks not to mention how you would have to wait for one train to make around the number of 900 or more stops because not everyone can or wants to walk every where . Both trains and cars have down sides but it’s easy we to stop in front of where you want to go than having to walk there after 20 to 30 mins of waiting for everyone to get on the train . In order to make this work you would have to change how people think about personal transportation in order to not make this a waste of money .

@KarimElHayawan

2 жыл бұрын

only truths detected

@HeadsFullOfEyeballs

2 жыл бұрын

@@wassollderscheiss33 I mean, we spent decades absolutely wrecking our cities to make them more convenient for drivers at the expense of everybody else. I don't think a course-correction in the opposite direction would be "mean", it's just a return to sanity.

Solutions of traffic Grey: "remove human drivers" Adam: "yeet the cars"

@shafinc3581

2 жыл бұрын

No people No cars No traffic

@artstsym

2 жыл бұрын

It's the ultimate techbro solution. People have problems, ergo: no more people, no more problems.

@jojomaster7675

2 жыл бұрын

*_yeet the humans_*

@Nerobyrne

2 жыл бұрын

honestly I foresee both eventually happening. Well, trains are already very common in places that aren't managed by insane people. But, self-driving cars are just eventually going to become normal as the last leg of a journey. trains are awesome, but there are always lots of areas where trains can't reach. and people don't want to walk. People already cover this leg of their journey with normal cars, and if they could, most people would press a button and let their car drive them. Or, even better, we could have an uber-style system so nobody has to spend a ton of money on owning a car.

@jojomaster7675

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nerobyrne Yeah. Though instead of self-driving cars, I think hybrids would be better. Technology isn't perfect, so it's always better to have a backup in case of emergency. Cars are great, but they don't belong in the city.

Tbh, you don't need a hacker to screw up and cause deaths at these intersections. The problem these guys can't get through their heads, is that glitches and programing errors will always exist, and a situation where no room for error exists, like what is depicted, is going to be awful.

@vejet

Жыл бұрын

Yet somehow safe and efficient automated train and transit systems already exist and are heavily relied upon in many places all over the world now. It's naïve to think that the technology won't continue to improve, evolve and be incorporated into even more complex systems in the future.

@patrickherke8947

Жыл бұрын

An automated train has a predetermined path it follows. Pretty much every part of its evironment is known ahead of time and doesn't change. The train can only move along the track. A car, though, has to deal with movement in 2 dimensions and has to do it in an environment with tons outside variables that all regularly change. The complexity is really not comparable.

@vejet

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickherke8947 Like I said, it' naïve to think that technology won't continue to improve and evolve to the point where it can deal with more complex systems in the future. Once upon a time people didn't believe automated trains were possible either. Heck even planes can entirely fly and land themselves these days if they have to and they operate in 3 dimensions nevermind 2 lol. Automated vehicles are coming it's just a question of when, not if.

@Purpletrident

Жыл бұрын

@@vejet Both planes and trains still have accidents, even when they're auto-piloted. Now imagine there still being millions of auto-pilot cars on the roads at once, that's millions more possible accidents.

@tatzecom

Жыл бұрын

@@vejet if you want that kind of security that you have with trains, you would need to restrict self driving to certain routes along certain paths that never change. You couldnt stop along the way as it would interrupt the flow, you also couldnt just take an exit, the exit would need to be planned ahead of time. Miles ahead of time. What if we made it even more efficient and offered a sort of "catch a ride" system along side that? People who want to get to a certain destination could meet up beforehand, get into a car together. Maybe we can even sort those cars so the ones going into the same direction all take the exist one after the other, that way we would reduce the potential risk of catastrophic failure to merge AND we could even use that information to plan ahead of time so when 10 cars leave the path at an intersection, 10 miles down the line another group "knows" that a free space on the path is going to come along in a couple minutes. Speaking of failure, we can increase the reliability of our network if we hardlink all the cars that go to the same destination together, that way one can run out of battery or experience a failure in the drive system without breaking down and grinding the network to a halt. All of this requires a lot of computing time and requires quite exact timing, maybe we could make it so you have a predetermined time of depature, that way you can even plan around a time to leave when going for a little urban exploration session in the city youre visiting. Along the predetermined paths we could also install a different sort of ground and use different wheels to reduce rolling resistance, increasing the range while reducing maintenance and wear of our cars. Wait a minute. I think i accidentally optimized our car system into a train network again. DAMMIT! >Heck even planes can entirely fly and land themselves these days if they have to and they operate in 3 dimensions nevermind 2 lol. If youve ever seen how Planes operate, youre gonna be really surprised. They fly along "corridors", which is airspace thats designated to civilian travel AND designated to certain directions. They have a height, width and length and what youre really doing is getting a plane on a course to insec into one of those corridors. Essentially, planes are trains with a higher energy usage but less dependancy on land based tracks. Thats why they are usually used for long range only.

Man i feel heard seeing some pictures are in the philippines, road/lane expansion (for a lack of a better term) here are becoming more and more rampant because the local government pushes for car centric roads despite being a third world country, where common folk don't have the fortune to afford housing with garages, and instead are forced to loan cars and park them at the streets, causing it to be more congested. the sidewalks are also getting smaller and smaller (some along the major avenue here is only sized the width of a person) everything was at least better back then, where almost everything can be reached by commute through means of public transport. as time progresses, things get worse because of the aforementioned paragraph, and it's sad to see that means of public transport gets worse despite it being a huge part of our culture. there are many layers to this, but yeah

@Skhuztha_CulTz0742

Жыл бұрын

That's so true. Vehicle's here are rampant on the road. The problem that the Philippine government does not want to solve is the volume of cars on the road. In fact, some houses have 2 or more cars on their garage being used or not (or used to avoid coding). Our transport system is even shit, road system is shit that is why people are being forced to buy more cars than go on a commute. Ngl, if our transport system in our country was well developed, where's jeepneys, busses, and tricycles are more systemized, then I would rather use my car to travel to provinces than scramble with other cars here in Manila. There's just too much cars (private vehicles specifically) here in the Philippines, especially in Manila. Edited: much better if there will be trains like ktx in Korea, and bullet train in Japan to travel in provinces than use a car.

@Gr3nadgr3gory

Жыл бұрын

So your walkways now fit half an American?

@lunafreed

Жыл бұрын

Philippines? The dipshits now are using Ebikes to slow down traffic, making the road more hazardous than usual by counterflowing, turning whenever they want, and not obeying stoplights because they can get away with it

@leechrec

Жыл бұрын

@@Skhuztha_CulTz0742 At least there's going to be a subway in a few years. Finally.

@Barrrt

Жыл бұрын

One of my fondest memories of being in the Phillipines are the jeepneys. Busses, but better. Do they still drive where you live, and are you positive about them as well? To me I always have this utopian feel when I think of them because they seem to be so efficient, cheap, community oriented and.. fun.

I think CGPgrey was so focused on making cars not suck that he failed to consider the fact that the best car is no car at all.

@ugbayoogway

2 жыл бұрын

wrong. best car is train car.

@anarchy3960

2 жыл бұрын

Problem with train car is other people I'd rather sit in a car for extra 10 minutes

@ugbayoogway

2 жыл бұрын

yeah absolutely, enough degenerates using public transport already so a longer drive and brisk walk is much more "eco friendly" if you catch my drift. maybe removing degenerates from our society and training out that behaviour will make public transport a lot more comfortable, and therefore, viable.

@someenglishdude9070

2 жыл бұрын

@@ugbayoogway Bro, you actually fucking sound like Adolf Hitler.

@px6883

2 жыл бұрын

Hard agree with SomeEnglishDude. Hitler's main agenda was exactly that, removing "denegenerates" from society (which according to him were jews but also lots and lots of other people)

EVERYTHING KEEPS EVOLVING INTO TRAINS

@bugrilyus

2 жыл бұрын

You know the crab thing

@shadoeboi212

2 жыл бұрын

@@bugrilyus things also tend to evolve into sharks and crocodiles

@leon-ow9it

2 жыл бұрын

As it should

@golgarisoul

2 жыл бұрын

How about making more trains instead of making cars into trains? Just a thought.

@nowheremap

2 жыл бұрын

@@bugrilyus crabs are baby, everything evolves into worms. snakes are worms, and trains are worms too. bilateral symmetry is where it's at!

My family has two cars, and I have always been surprised by how we hardly use them in comparison to public transport. I always use bus or train to get around, and thanks to the way my city has been designed. I live in the outer suburbs, and my family practically never uses cars; and if we lived in the inner city I can imagine we would never use them unless leaving the city.

@patrickmcpartland1398

Жыл бұрын

Until I can move musical equipment around( bass amps, upright bass and tuba, I know awful instrument selection as a kid) I'll always need a car for even small trips for certain things, but try and not use it if things are walkable beucase minus highway night driving it ls just added stress to my day, no idea why people who need to lug around absolutely nothing would ever drive even a mod sized suv like mine, feels like a tank and it's just an old v6 highlander, can't imagine driving the V8 monster truck I park next to wt my apartment, and I've never even seen them have a front seat passenger lol

As someone who has lived in Texas their entire life you’re absolutely right. Pretty much every major city has a malicious anti-pedestrian mindset where cities like Arlington are proud of the fact they don’t even have any bus routes

Thing about CGP Grey is he lives in London and doesn’t even own a car. He lives his life as a consumer of public transit! He’s not actually car brained, I think he just likes technology.

@lonestarr1490

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I also chuckled when he assumed that CGP wouldn't be able to "imagine his life without motorization". Have you seen his Las Vegas vlogs? Oh, how he hated having to drive everywhere.

@franciscojcsa6127

2 жыл бұрын

Techno-Optimism and its Consequences etc. etc.

@adrianthoroughgood1191

2 жыл бұрын

Some of Grey's videos over the last couple of years are him walking or cycling around London!

@miguelpereira9859

2 жыл бұрын

@@lonestarr1490 Driving around in big cities objectively sucks

@EmyrDerfel

2 жыл бұрын

CGP is a science teacher. His favourite ideas will all work just great, for spherical cows in a vacuum. Just wish someone would forcefeed him Strong Towns, but he intentionally avoids consuming content too close to his own niche, so he hasn't experienced the joy of Map Men Map Men Map Map Map Men Men Men. Men.

I love how almost every "new" tech way to transport is literally just fancy trains.

@petelee2477

2 жыл бұрын

Great accept I don't have access to public transportation and walking 2 hours to work and 2 hours back is not an option. A bicycle is viable but too dangerous because then I'd either be forced to share the road with drunk maniacs going 80+ miles per hour on the road or go into the woods slushing in puddles. Public transportation is about as accessible as the moon for the average American.

@F3udF1st

2 жыл бұрын

*interconnected pods, please

@wec22791

2 жыл бұрын

@@petelee2477 the solution isn't telling everyone to not drive and take public transit, but to improve public transit and make it viable so that you are able to make the choice and have it be an actual smart choice

@ysqys2176

2 жыл бұрын

I like trains

@robbieaulia6462

2 жыл бұрын

@@petelee2477 Yeah because the US politics prevented any efficient sometimes accessible public transportation.

The intersection without lights graphic he showed also was absolutely terrifying. 1 car makes 1 mistake and suddenly you have a really bad pileup and many many dead people.

@wortwortwort117

11 ай бұрын

I dont think its that simple. These cars communicate at the speed of light. They hypothetically could all stop simultaneously to avoid an accident

@lucas_xyz

11 ай бұрын

Well its a good thing our current system uses humans, who are known for never making a mistake!

I saw CGP's video as less of a good idea, and more of a math/logic experiment, but yes, trains and busses are a lot better.

@magic8269

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this video came across as too smug for me

@weatheranddarkness

Жыл бұрын

It's not a very good angle to approach the concept of traffic to isolate the speed of cars in movement from every other aspect of the use of space, and the fact that the time a car spends moving is by far the minority of its life.

@user-lk1fw1lp8b

Жыл бұрын

Would you sacrifice the comfort of a personal car for public transport? I wouldn't. Imagine carrying a f*ckton of bags with you, for example, when you are shopping by yourself. Not only will it be more problematic to carry all of them with you when you are getting on and off the bus/train/etc., but you will also be blamed by other people for taking too much space with your stupid bags. Car is freedom, public transport is not. It is actually a common theme with all these new and fancy solutions to transport and energy generation(i'm looking at you, wind turbines), they are great until you start looking deeper into details.

@weatheranddarkness

Жыл бұрын

@@user-lk1fw1lp8b you're speaking from car as default again.

@user-lk1fw1lp8b

Жыл бұрын

@@weatheranddarkness okay, if I have a personal train instead of car, I don't care. The point I was trying to make and the one you missed is that you need personal transport, not public. The way it works is a different story.

"Oh man, so far, this sounds dangerously like a train!" I don't know why but I found this hilarious.

@tjarkschweizer

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@Mike25654

2 жыл бұрын

@White wolf That's the big problem with city planners nowadays. Cars need to be more expensive and roads more clogged so that people are forced not to use them? It's not really their job to force something on people that they don't want...

@quiquencio5744

2 жыл бұрын

@White wolf except everyone does not prefers cars. Do you want to move from A to B listening to your music? Headphones and smartphones. Do you want the right temperature inside your transportation?? A/C in buses and trains. Do you not want to walk too much from vehicles to your home?? Good public tranportation planning and not live in a copy/paste suburb. Etc.

@Mike25654

2 жыл бұрын

@@quiquencio5744 It's a very small percentage though that really prefers it. Most only use public transport out of necessity, because they can't afford anything else.

@purplepotatoes9255

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mike25654 so making it better and cheaper would fix that, no?

You know. The whole "Take your car to drive 10km to run on a treadmill" really makes you think.

@0Clewi0

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but if other people don't watch you run can you really say you're exercising?

@arcturus4762

2 жыл бұрын

@@0Clewi0 Be your own spectator and tell uncertainty to go fuck itself

@0Clewi0

2 жыл бұрын

@@arcturus4762 It was mostly sarcasm about the gym culture in some places

@arcturus4762

2 жыл бұрын

@@0Clewi0 Never miss an opportunity to go tell uncertainty to go fuck itself, while you watch

@Saurus990

2 жыл бұрын

I know people who do that, very sad.

"how, in the name of Christ, will a pedestrian cross this?" I just about *died* Clearly, of course, we create *self-driving pedestrians* that will automatically intersperse themselves with the traffic when crossing the intersection...

For self driving cars to work, they would have to remove every single non-autonomous car from the streets and I have no idea how that is supposed to work.

@talkysassis

Жыл бұрын

You even need to consider that a large amount of people really wants to drive, so there's no way to get rid of regular cars.

@iantino

Жыл бұрын

Actually no, it does training them a lot harder but it's definitely possible, even if take a lot of time. When successful they will be better than your average human driver in the proper human driving environment, and, how CGP said, they don't have to be perfect, just have to be better than humans.

@Skaypegote

Жыл бұрын

Same way we removed horses from roads.

@talkysassis

Жыл бұрын

@@Skaypegote Dude, people still use horses on roads.

@addisonwelsh

Жыл бұрын

@@Skaypegote As someone who live near Amish country, horse are still used on roads.

A bus is functionally a self-driving car for most of the people on board

@LeyvatenLoop

2 жыл бұрын

Except it carries 15~50x more people than a car while only occupying the same space as 3 cars would. Not as good as a train, but way better than cars, and better at dealing with smaller, lower budget routes

@lonestarr1490

2 жыл бұрын

@@adityaattri5414 That's the way we're heading. If you want to prevent automation, you'd have to put an end to capitalism, because it demands that we do whatever promises the most profit. If we don't want to put an end to capitalism, we better start about thinking how to deal with mass unemployment and the 'unemployability' of virtually everyone without a major in the STEM fields or art.

@Blackreaper777

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, a self-driving car which only drives a predefined route and only stops at predefined spots.

@mollye

2 жыл бұрын

Yooo this is the best comment here

@laszu7137

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeyvatenLoop Yes, and the daily commute takes an hour of waiting and 20 minutes of riding instead of just 10 minutes of driving.

Ironically enough, Grey is not a car-driver, in one of his Tesla Vlogs he mentions that he did not drive for years after an accident and if you listen to his podcasts, he mentions that he actually isn't allowed to drive in his current home country of England. His main means of transportation are indeed public transportation and a bike.

@JCOdrjones

2 жыл бұрын

God, what a Tesla shill tech bro

@farikkun1841

2 жыл бұрын

maybe he uderstand most people wont giving up car yet. so he try to become relatable first

@Anonymous-df8it

2 жыл бұрын

Why isn't he allowed to drive?

@HarshDeshpande91

2 жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-df8it Probably never got licensed in the UK. You can only drive on a foreign license for the first 6 months or so of your residency and you have to get licensed if you want to continue driving there beyond that. And US driver's licenses are painfully underaccepted in other countries, i.e. you can't simply exchange your US license for a local one. You're forced to take all the tests.

@Anonymous-df8it

2 жыл бұрын

@@HarshDeshpande91 I thought he broke some driving laws...

I’ll be honest, before I watched Adam and saw Grey’s video, and thought it was an amazing solution, it took me watching adams videos to actually figure out that I was just so ingrained into the car world, that just getting rid of the cars never crossed my mind. I’m glad that I realized the error with that view.

@hagelslag9312

Жыл бұрын

It's understandable if you don't experience the alternatives. If you grow up in a car-centric environment, of course that's your first pick. It's what you know. And it might feel really odd for many people when you take away the one thing they know. "Then how the f do we get around?" It's hard to imagine when you never got to experience any alternative as a bus, train, tram, metro, bicycle, scooter, e-bike, even boat, or just the ability to walk. It won't cross your mind, because you never did any of that. I totally get it how it got this way.

@eewweeppkk

Жыл бұрын

It is location dependent. If you think it's possible to change all towns and villages over to public transport you simply have no perspective outside an urban environment. It then gets trickier to public transportize when you need people to transit from a rural area to an urban area. Hundreds of millions of people live more than 50 miles from a town with 50,000+ people, public transit is literally impossible in an economic way for them.

@fatviscount6562

Жыл бұрын

According to 2020 census, the 214,032,675 Americans live in 58 metropolitan areas each with population of at least 1 million. "Hundreds of millions of people live more than 50 miles from a town with 50,000+ people," is simply false.

@eewweeppkk

Жыл бұрын

@@fatviscount6562 Oh my bad, it was only a single hundred million people. Or maybe you could extrapolate that down to a few dozen million people. That changes everything, it is suddenly possible for those millions of people to have fast or effective public transportation! (that is sarcasm) And regardless, the way that American cities are laid out means that simply being within a metropolitan area does not guarantee that you are within a reasonable distance of the resources you need on a daily basis. Before you could even argue that it would be possible, I would first need to even know how "metropolitan" is defined from wherever you pulled that data.

@fatviscount6562

Жыл бұрын

@@eewweeppkk MSA and CSA are official US Census Data, with precise definitions. Your comment implied that transit is impossible in most of America, when the reverse is true: that well over 2/3 of Americans live in dense enough places to warrant good transit in the rest of the world, yet in the US have nonexistent to abysmal transit.

I think it's sad that the solution to a problem that is basically "I'm too lazy to go to the light switch and press on it" is "Let's built a giant sever farm that requires a massive building and takes megawatts of power so I can connect my light switch and a microphone to it, such that I can turn my light on with my voice." It's ridiculous. Smart home has a place, but it's not your light switch, and it's not connecting it to the internet, and most certainly not without a physical backup. It's nice in a large office building, and when the porter notices that there is still a light on in room 561, he can turn it off from his booth instead of running up 5 flights of stairs. Or for automatic temperature control. Locally, not with a giant cloud server, wasting bandwidth and capacity.

@kingdededelicious

Жыл бұрын

Better yet, why not just make a normal remote for it if the consumer is that lazy? (in terms of a household lightswitch, that is)

@SlurpKing100

Жыл бұрын

Thats not at all the point. Flipping a light switch has never been a problem. The reason that technologies like that are made is because we know how to do it and that's cool as fuck. People need something to do, and alot of people love inventing and building and marveling at other inventions, just for its own sake. Ofcourse its ridiculous, it's not like we invent stuff because we have to.

@the_furf_of_july4652

Жыл бұрын

I disagree with this take. And though I’m aware this may contain fallacies, the server farms are being made regardless of whether I buy a fancy lightbulb. I am not investing in these companies because I am lazy to flip a light switch. I already have half a dozen compatible devices that use the same network, and all they did was add one very small device to that network. That infrastructure is being used for so much more and the lightbulb is not the sole cause for the creation of the infrastructure, it is a tiny addition to it. Implying people are morally wrong for using a technology that simple that’s already built into tech they already use is not great.

@ihx7

Жыл бұрын

this take makes no sense

@ihx7

Жыл бұрын

cars influence people negatively not only because they are dangerous but also because they spend way more energy than the alternative you wouldn't be able to say that about the light switches in a way they can actually save power because you will never be too lazy to turn off the light and these servers are paying for power like everyone else and they are used by hundreds of thousands of people on top of that most lights that are controllable through voice are low power and run efficiently also they dont break as often. and if you actually look at humans or even physics everything is about convenience we always go towards the path of least friction its how we advanced as a species and how the universe works with the only difference being that humans have forethought and know that buying a light switch like that will momentarily be an inconvenience but in the long term will be beneficial

I mean, he did fix traffic, he just stopped everything else, its like telling an ai to optimise something without setting perametres, eventually it will see that the most logical option is to sacrifice everything surrounding that to create an optimal solution

@kenbrown2808

2 жыл бұрын

skynet.

@thesatelliteslickers907

2 жыл бұрын

You created an infinite ~~paperclip~~ traffic machine

@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042

2 жыл бұрын

The easiest way to fix traffic is to ban cars.

@tardvandecluntproductions1278

2 жыл бұрын

I think people are looking way past his video and think he ever claims everything else must be removed. He was just simplifying things for the sake of the explanation of cars on roads. Not everyone demands literally everything to be explains that's ever slightly relates to 1 small subject. Making short video's forever impossible

@Cream147player

2 жыл бұрын

@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 the intersection he shows in the video is literally impossible for a pedestrian to traverse. His idea bans pedestrians from the road implicitly.

Meanwhile in Budapest. The previous mayor: "Increase capacity!" (More lanes for cars.) 45,5% support at election. The present mayor: "Decrease capacity!" (More lanes for bicycles, less lanes for cars.) 50% support at election. The mayor candidate who has no chance of winning: "Let urbanists do urban planning instead of politicians and lobbyists. Remove all private car traffic from city centre and give it back to pedestrians. Develop public transport to a level where people choose it instead of their cars." 4,5% support at election.

@martonlerant5672

2 жыл бұрын

Develop public transport to a level where people choose it instead of their cars." 4,5% support at election. Well that sums up the issue. Some people will ALWAYS choose their cars, thus the promise is unfulfillable.

@Tasmantor

2 жыл бұрын

I think this is emblematic of the problem that people are instinctively weary of radical change. Even if you are selling what they want they will look for a half measure (see the Dems and Labor parties if the Anglo sphere)

@LancesArmorStriking

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, that third guy's proposal sounded HORRIBLE, so fucking boring lol

@regulate.artificer_g23.mdctlsk

2 жыл бұрын

@@LancesArmorStriking >Russian shill

@lolihitler4198

2 жыл бұрын

@@regulate.artificer_g23.mdctlsk the Russian government is conspiring to decrease the efficiency of Budapest’s public transportation network by paying people to disagree with you in KZread comment sections be very afraid!

when I first saw cgpgrey's video I tried to expand the idea in my head and ended up at streetcars

Best way to solve traffic would be maximum and efficient Public transit like metros , trains and buses . We should be able to travel all around the city using public transit and should use bikes or walk for smaller distances

@talkysassis

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, what you do about people who just don't want to use a vehicle that other people use? Because that's why most people buy cars.

@BlueGrovyle

Жыл бұрын

@@talkysassis most people where? The US has almost no feasible alternatives to driving yourself or at least being driven by someone else, and that's because these alternatives were phased out by auto industry lobbyists, not democracy. Look at any country in Europe and, while many still have high car ownership, their public transit is way better than that of North America, even in much poorer nations.

@andrejs4984

Жыл бұрын

@@talkysassisthat’s definitely not why most people buy cars. Look at japan (where majority of japanese people own a car) or european cities, where still lots of people own cars (or have at least an access to a car from a family member, or use company car for personal use as well), but prefer to use public transport when possible. People who are irrationally afraid of being with another human being lets say on a bus or a metro are a minority. And for those, providing good public transport and bike infrastructure is beneficial, as it would take cars off the street of those drivers that in current circumstances have no option but to drive. After all, no one is proposing getting rid of roads altogether, how would fire trucks, police cars or ambulances get through? There are no fire bikes or trains. How would cars providing all sorts of business from delivery, to utilities, to taxis come through? We need roads and we need cars, even though for personal use most of the trips could be done more efficiently alternative. And then even few lunatics that for some strange reason don’t want to be on public transport or a bike might be happier at the end of the day, as roads would get less congested and trips faster

@Gr3nadgr3gory

Жыл бұрын

@Brian Williams auto industry lobbyists are just as much a part of the American democratic system as voting.

@shoopoop21

Жыл бұрын

Nobody would actually want to do that. How much fun would it be to take a two hour commute every few days just for food? You're not carrying 30 lbs of groceries home on a bus, Public transportation isn't transportation, its a public commute service, because its not actually designed to move anything other than people. Its designed to get people to work, and then home; not make your life easier, but your boss's. This guy is pathetically out of touch, and so is everyone who advocates for public "transportation." Its garbage.

"Oh man, so far, this sounds dangerously like a train!" I laughed so stupidly hard I almost choke myself.

@PrenonNon0

2 жыл бұрын

You can run a bunch of Teslas together on steel rails and name that an AI Hyper Connected Pod Lane

@jimmux_v0

2 жыл бұрын

It's the transport equivalent of carcinisation. Eventually everything becomes train.

@petersmybro

2 жыл бұрын

0:56 for the train bit, it's great 👍

@cfv7461

2 жыл бұрын

Do not choke yourself :c

@giomar89

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, Adam’s sarcasm can be a health hazard

Just replace crosswalks with slingshots, should solve most of the problems.

@bificommander

2 жыл бұрын

I'm partial to Futurama's tubes.

@ItsHimBro

2 жыл бұрын

Well I give a glowing recommendation to cannons.

@goldenegg7447

2 жыл бұрын

I like this idea. just put people in those giant inflatable balls that you can bounce in and stuff and just throw it against a wall or into a net and then open the door to climb out. it works perfectly.

@DarkDruid7

2 жыл бұрын

As you appear to be a deku scrub, I was expecting you to say one of those deku flowers that launch you up into the air with propellers.

@commodoresan7275

2 жыл бұрын

Angry Birds : IRL Edition

I think the first point is wrong. You can still have a crosswalk with a button. It just tells the automatic cars that I’m crossing and you need to stop. It just means that we don’t need lights to communicate and instead every car knows what’s happening all the time.

@leonpaelinck

Жыл бұрын

And if it malfunctions? You may die and nobody will be responsible

You know I wasn't super into trains until I started watching this channel but now I am die hard for public transport with trains since you are correct, that for areas with high congesttion its great to move people to areas they want to go, and buses can fill in for less popular routes.

Some guy: Gets some idea. Trains: "I am 4 parallel dimensions ahead of you."

@alfredorotondo

2 жыл бұрын

Trains aren't parallel dimensions ahead They are into an another plane of existence

@ziksy6460

2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact, god actually came down to Earth to design trains himself.

@tjarkschweizer

2 жыл бұрын

I love your profile pic. May the force be with you.

@GMPranav

2 жыл бұрын

@@tjarkschweizer May the force be with you!

@lovelymachinegunOOC

2 жыл бұрын

@@ziksy6460 I founded your comment hilarious

When I visited London with a class in college we were on the tube once, talking to some locals. They were talking about how they hate the tube, and how inefficient it is and asked us "Is the US MTU this bad?" We all had to laugh our asses off, and explain that we don't have mass transit in most cities, and what we do in larger cities is borderline useless.

@Wingnut326

2 жыл бұрын

i'd love to see their reaction if they spent a week in los angeles. they'd be begging and crying for the tube lol

@benlewis4241

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wingnut326 Complaining about the tube is a national institution mate, don't take it away from us!

@carlbradley3175

2 жыл бұрын

I find it incredibly hard to believe you found Southermers who were willing to talk to you lmao. The people in the south of England tend to be much less willing to talk to strangers than us Northern lot

@petercselik5674

2 жыл бұрын

London tube system has 1 huge issue. Its old as F and kinda hold the city hostage while I think its more and more hard to maintain thanks to the fact it just can't stop for that.

@LexYeen

2 жыл бұрын

@@petercselik5674 At least it exists.

You know, you don't need to hack self-driving cars, to cause problems. Just a few blown tires can achieve the same mess.

@jmurray1110

Жыл бұрын

Hell you they even be able to identify things like caltrops or loose pins on the roads and identify them

@ivanpetrov5255

Жыл бұрын

@@jmurray1110 Two scenarios: 1. A guy with a BB gun off the side of the road, hiding in a bush - nobody would expect or detect that; 2. A guy walking along the road tossing things on it. The car will either not have time to detect it, or will swerve unexpectedly to the side, creating the possibility of a crash.

I agree with mostly everything you said, but about self driving cars being hackable by China using quantum computers, if that actually happened we would have WAY bigger issues than the cars being hacked. Think everything that uses the internet, anything classified, would be vulnerable to the attacker. Also, the hacking crippling economies argument also applies to public transit.

this channel is “trains will solve all of our problems” and I love it

@TheGerbold

2 жыл бұрын

I like trains

@abbytran8514

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGerbold VRROOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM

@edgemadefoxe367

2 жыл бұрын

@@abbytran8514 CHOO CHOOOOOOOOM

@inothome

2 жыл бұрын

The Wendover of trains.....

@suspecm6316

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, trains ARE a good solution for many problems if you are willing to invest the time and money to set it up properly.

As an American: I understand CGP Grey's viewpoint here. We totally worship the car, and I see the negative effects of that. As a software engineer: Encryption isn't really an answer to the problem of infrastructure being hacked. Current encryption, when properly used, is already unbreakable even by the best super computers. So if encryption was the answer, we'd already be hack free.

@rajnadar6555

2 жыл бұрын

Americans don't worship the car...it is the only choice given to Americans.

@NumberedMonk

2 жыл бұрын

As wise people have said, the best security is only as good as the dumbest person responsible for using it correctly.

@louis993546

2 жыл бұрын

It’s absolutely true that encryption is probably gonna be fine for a while, but how much can we trust auto makers on fixing vulnerabilities and actually use encryption properly 😂😂😂

@bones4786

2 жыл бұрын

@@NumberedMonk a chain is only as strong as its weakest link

@egesanl1

2 жыл бұрын

@@NumberedMonk So google token tipe of deal. Like lets let computer take control of our passwords

Well, making laws to push human friendly streets and avenues is a much better way to start solving the problem. Cars need it’s space and infrastructure, but so do we. Let’s make walking great again!

Imagine trying to ride a bike in a city where cars worked this way...

@thomaso6579

Жыл бұрын

Imagine *dying* to ride a bike in a city where cars worked this way...

Even as a huge car enthusiast I think public transport should be prioritized over cars in terms of pure efficiency and livability.

@brokkrep

Жыл бұрын

I have the same inner conflict. I love cars, but we shouldn't let us lead by our emotions.

@sympathiser_of_Germans_in_40s

Жыл бұрын

It'll also take a lot of vehicles off the road, which is good for us car nuts.

@brokkrep

Жыл бұрын

@Dave M Well cars are cars no matter how they produce velocity. I think the most usefuel vehicle would be an electric bicycle that goes 60km/h.

@michakrzyzanowski8554

Жыл бұрын

@@brokkrep A simpler solution? Just a regular bicycle. Why? Becaue: 1. Fights america's biggest health problem, obesity 2. It's fun 3. Really cheap 4. Can be used by 3 year olds - no cars = no danger when crossing a non-existent road 5. Fast on short distances, sustaiable on long trips 6. Works on almost any type of terrain

@brokkrep

Жыл бұрын

@@michakrzyzanowski8554 I commute by bicycle for at least two years now. You're right, but hilly terrain makes it hard to not be exhausted at arrival at work

The train is the final evolution of transport

@josejose-fu9dd

2 жыл бұрын

but they still need rails

@aaronyandell2929

2 жыл бұрын

@@josejose-fu9dd Rails are a good thing. They keep the trains where they should be.

@m.f.3347

2 жыл бұрын

@@josejose-fu9dd And cars need roads. Your point? All transport needs infrastructure to support it.

@obnoxiouscommenter6194

2 жыл бұрын

Trains masterrace

@peepance1799

2 жыл бұрын

What if we just traveled with ICBMs? Seems like a rational solution.

9:38 Actually, your proposed solution would also make driving better. So EVERYBODY wins

that google home lights thing hits hard, my mom linked the lights in our living room to one and now we can't turn on the lights in there until at least 7:00 PM, which is kind of an issue in the winter when it gets dark after 5:00 PM, plus half the time when we say "ok google, turn on living room lights" it doesn't respond, so much better than a lightswitch

Quantum computers cannot nilly willy break encryption. There exists encryption resistant to quantum computers - even public key schemes. I don't disagree with your video, it is on point. However, hacking almost never happens because encryption gets broken, but rather because errors are made while implementing encryption.

@m.f.3347

2 жыл бұрын

In cryptography, humans are the weakest link

@nUrnxvmhTEuU

2 жыл бұрын

Adam criticises CGP for making a video about a topic he doesn't understand and then happily starts talking about something he doesn't understand himself lol. I agree that train good and car bad, but the part about cryptography is just plain wrong.

@Graknorke

2 жыл бұрын

@@nUrnxvmhTEuU It's a minor detail, not the core of the video.

@player-8740

2 жыл бұрын

I am the 4th reply. The comment above, along the three other replies above me are absolutely correct.

@FullTimeGaming360

2 жыл бұрын

Most common entry is human access for hacking, hacking really is the wrong word tbh. Only a college level example but as a lesson we were asked to try and rip data from a specific network. We got a lot further as we had figured at a password theme that was being used and got admin access. Turns out last name + dob is terrible passwords.

"Because noone has ever fixed traffic, by adding more capacity" The problems i have in cities: skylines LMAO

@kenbrown2808

2 жыл бұрын

counterpoint: that's because everyone fixes capacity by adding more traffic.

@deltaxcd

2 жыл бұрын

This is because traffic is always growing because of globalization and concentration of capital. government are just desperately trying to catch up with capacity until the whole system just collapses and burns in blue flames

@CodyLynn100

2 жыл бұрын

Make sure you add the right lanes. Biffa is the youtuber who does fix your city, if you haven't seen him, and he will regularly cut lanes on submitted cities after getting the turn lanes set right for the game AI.

@CFTim

2 жыл бұрын

@@deltaxcd But also because without heavy traffic, a car is more convenient for most people, and therefore a lot of people only take public transport if traffic is sufficiently bad. If you add capacity, the car gains an edge over public transport and people switch back to using cars, blocking up the roads again.

@deltaxcd

2 жыл бұрын

​@@CFTim I highly doubt if traffic can get that bad to justify use of public transport which is not only inconvenient and slow but very overpriced too. And if you want to fight blocked roads rather than forcing people to use shitty public transport you should plan your city to eliminate the need to excessive transportation. it is extremely stupid city planning when you have long lines of cars moving to one direction in the morning and in another direction in the evening when this happens it is better to identify what is the the destination of all those cars and move that destination to the less busy place.

The only use i see in self driving cars is in rural areas as an addition to the public transport, basically a shuttle or taxi service if you don't live near a train or bus so it can take you that last little bit. However we often already have shuttles and taxis so we don't even truly need them there

Bro, why did I read it as anti-human solution to human trafficking

"terminally car-brained" holy shit this is my new favorite expression now, thanks a lot xD

@aliensinnoh1

2 жыл бұрын

Thing about CGP Grey is he lives in London and doesn’t even own a car. He lives his life as a consumer of public transit!

@oldcowbb

2 жыл бұрын

@@aliensinnoh1 yeah, he hate driving

@HopelessCT

2 жыл бұрын

Nichijou!

@hanshaus2672

2 жыл бұрын

its so good i want to make a series highlighting how car brain runs rampant through most of the "western world"

@x8BitRain

2 жыл бұрын

ie. every american

"How, in the name of Christ, will a pedestrian cross this?" I was not prepared for you to drop your argument in just like that. Hilarious.

@someliker

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand how this is an effective argument. There are at least two solutions to this problem I can think of: 1. Where I live pedestrians can press a button when they want to cross a street and the traffic lights act accordingly. This idea can just as well be used to inform a network of self-driving cars. 2. Pedestrians could also use underground crossings which is as well already done nowadays.

@grapes5672

2 жыл бұрын

@@someliker He literally talks about how inconvenient underground crossings are in the video.

@Hans-gb4mv

2 жыл бұрын

It's simple. The pedestrian whips out his/her phone, opens an app, orders a ride share, gets in the car on one side of the intersection and gets out on the other.

@marcodiegocambronerovillal7647

2 жыл бұрын

Ahahahaa good one

@sabianumbrulla3216

2 жыл бұрын

@@someliker yes I agree the button thing sounds like a very simple solution

I believe that a main part of CGP Grey's point is the optimization of driving and proving solutions while ignoring the real-life problems with it that are not directly related. By ignoring people walking, there is a more efficient solution.

I am a Registered Architect with over 20 years of experience. I believe that the position steams from an anti-humanistic approach to design that favors a certain life style over all others. I too was taught in school to propagate the view. I could be wrong so please help me understand with an example of a successful city. London has great public transportation and yet I found myself waiting several hours for a bus and requiring an app simply to get around. I couldn’t leave London because the trains were on strike. So the rest of England was too far away. We need to provide people with more options not fewer and plan for these options in a way that will better the experience for all. All this is achievable by making motorized transport more back of house.

I think the real solution is to find a way to get pedestrians from point A to B safely so the traffic can flow more freely. I propose using 1-4 person levitating hyper pods, with stations all over the city. Seems super efficient and practical to me.

@moonyamoonya997

2 жыл бұрын

also mini ICBMs might work too

@mariusdufour9186

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean helicopters? Because you can do that with helicopters. I wonder why there are no cities that have replaced overpasses with helicopters.

@user-jo5gr5oq3b

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariusdufour9186 or we could use blimps instead, imagine what a glorious clusterfuck that would be

@jacobfreeman5444

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know about you but I welcome our glorious steampunk oligarchs.

@Nickelodeon81

2 жыл бұрын

Just give people powerful pogo sticks. They can bounce over the road.

"Hmm, sounds like a train."

@nottsoserious

2 жыл бұрын

That is, in fact, the top comment on grey's video

@timogul

2 жыл бұрын

It is very much like a train, except a train where any specific "car" of the train (and its passengers) can split loose from the train at any one of dozens of points along any given route, and head in a different direction, often within seconds, and where the train can reach practically any destination in the city, without the need for expensive underground tunnels or thousands of additional stations.So, you know, pros and cons.

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

@@timogul You know it used to be common practice to separate parts of a train to let that car stop at a station that was too small for the entire train to stop at.

@timogul

2 жыл бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 We should bring that back then. Make trains that can split off into groupings of maybe 4-6 seats each, and then each of those could split off every few hundred feet of track to head onto different lines without having to switch cars.

@SignificantPressure100

2 жыл бұрын

The problem with trains is that they are stuck in rails while cars or self driving cars can pretty much go anywhere onto specific areas.

I'm at 3:20 and at first I thought "build walkways over the roads", and then I remembered that poor, disabled people exist and everything became seven million times worse.

My emotional argument against cars being so widespread is most people don't even enjoy cars or driving. It's even a massive cause for collisions. Daily commutes are brain-numbing and take the fun right out of driving and people shut their brains off or start looking at their phones or something else. You're only driving a car because you were told that's part of being an adult and you have no choice anyway, but in truth a solid public transportation would suit your needs just as well. I'm not even against cars: in the countryside you don't have as much infrastructure as in cities so cars are essential. They're also great for more remote areas where we can't afford to build solid public transportation

@leonpaelinck

Жыл бұрын

Individualism is the main reason why car dependency developed widespread

@isakaldazwulfazizsunus7564

Жыл бұрын

@@leonpaelinck As someone who lives in the countryside and needs a car, I hate this 'cause I get stuck in traffick caused by hords of white collar workers who don't even need to do the commute in the first place.

The number one problem with self-driving cars is that even those cars are prone to traffic.

@benjacobs574

2 жыл бұрын

But if every vehicle is controlled centrally, you could get the most mathematically efficient use of the roads.

@squee222

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjacobs574 cause IT systems never break down, and everyone always has an internet connection. And even if you had mathematically optimized traffic you'd still have traffic....

@NabekenProG87

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjacobs574 Not the most efficient one, just a more efficient one. Your GPS doesn't calculate the mathematically proven shortes route, but settles for a "good enough" solution. Now scale that up to thousands of selfdriven cars. We don't have the supercomputers to calculate that

@benjacobs574

2 жыл бұрын

@B J, well presumably they would be like separate carriages that can form trains when necessary but then easily split off to get to a different location.

@starstudio8402

2 жыл бұрын

@@NabekenProG87 lmao if we did have enough computers for it they would be more laggy than the average grandmothers computer

I live in Oregon, I walk to our local grocery store twice a week. To get there I get the whole American car experience. I first cross a highway with no crosswalks where I need to cross. Then walk down a road with no sidewalks, cross a painful intersection that I think could be a roundabout. After that I walk to a plaza cut in half by a road that's hard to cross. All of that, twice, per trip.

@zacheryeckard3051

2 жыл бұрын

Have you considered a bike or little motor scooter? It's not much, but... it's a step up from that.

@lizardbrain_art

2 жыл бұрын

@@zacheryeckard3051 In a lot of rural and suburban areas, it's safer to be a pedestrian than a cyclist. On a bike, drivers will pass you with little to no clearance, turn directly into your path because they weren't looking out for bikes, or just scream at you to get off the road. At least as a pedestrian you're separate from traffic.

@zacheryeckard3051

2 жыл бұрын

@@lizardbrain_art When there's no sidewalk, there's *not* a separation from the traffic.

@adamthethird4753

2 жыл бұрын

@@zacheryeckard3051 While technically true, it's also a driver's mentality. A pedestrian is something that is not a vehicle, and so will be seen. A bike or cycle is a vehicle, and so must simply mind its own business or doesn't exist to the driver. Shitty I know, and should be changed, but that is the way it works.

@zacheryeckard3051

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamthethird4753 You say that like we don't see pedestrian strikes.

One should also let CGP know that we are still at least a decade away from self deiving cars, and another decade away from being able to have the type of coordinated self driving vehicles he is advocating for.

@johnladuke6475

Жыл бұрын

And how long after that before _everyone_ has one? Some people drive a 15-year-old car because it's the best they can afford; some drive a 50-year-old car because it's what they love. How will those vehicles plug in to a self-driving network?

@tyrannicfool2503

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think he did say in one Q and A video that he overestimated how much self driving tech would progress

@lucas_xyz

Жыл бұрын

ok but self driving cars currently exist

@johnladuke6475

Жыл бұрын

@@lucas_xyz Not ones that are reliable enough to be included in the law. "Self-driving" cars still hit ambulances, pedestrians, and even stationary objects a bit too often to be trusted.

@snowballtacoburrito8758

Жыл бұрын

@@lucas_xyz one some weeks ago stopped in the middle of a tunnel roadway and it caused a massive accident :)

I work for a transport org and I have this conversation twice a day. Apparently technology induced wishful thinking is easier than making any decisions at all. I think instead of asking planners and engineers to use their university degrees for once, I'm just going to play this video....

You could have a city like San Francisco, car unfriendly AND unlivable. The best of both worlds

@jackstolte

Жыл бұрын

San Francisco is theoretically livable mainly because it is car unfriendly; it's just that the city government is incompetent at dealing with crime, homelessness, and cleanliness. Tough luck for everyone there. Hopefully, things will change soon.

@beevins99

Жыл бұрын

I live in a part of the city that’s pretty walkable. More cars than I would like, and when the streets were closed to cars during a street festival this summer it was absolutely amazing. But it’s a pretty walkable city and the public transit is at least decent (kinda). Still unlivable though because the rent is too damn high

@AbsalomIndustries

Жыл бұрын

@@beevins99 The public transit is decent in the sense that there's almost always a line going to where you want to go, at least inside the city limits. The public transit is super terrible if you have any kind of time schedule and desire a reliable mode of transportation. The number of times I've been stuck waiting for 45 minutes when the next bus was 10 minutes away on a 15 minute bus schedule is too high to count. This is worse when you realize that many of these trips were started at the bus terminus, which was about 3 blocks from the bus storage yard, and no buses showed up at all in that time, except one which said it was the next bus to leave but stayed until after I had finally left on a different bus that showed up. I know this sounds like a singular incident; this has happened to me on over a dozen occasions, but at least those were after work. When it happens before work and the bus is on a 30+ minute schedule...and then the bus that shows up is actually for the cycle after next...RIP work. The city is pretty walkable, if you like hills and have lots of time and everything you need is close by and you never go grocery shopping for more than maybe 2 or 3 bags at once. At least everything is close. I give it that. Of course, living in the more central parts of town mean you're also closer to the heavier crime areas...Not sure how much that's worth it, to be honest.

@qjtvaddict

Жыл бұрын

Cause of a lack of trains

@qjtvaddict

Жыл бұрын

@@jackstolte hence why most are in no rush to get back on BART to SF

A note on the encryption part: we already use encryption so strong it takes 100s of years, but encryption doesn't stop exploits. Like, no matter how good the encryption is on self-driving cars, just emitting a lot of noise on the same frequency will take out their communication

@NickLilovich

Жыл бұрын

As long as the systems fail safe, this is not an issue. If someone flashed a whole bunch of lights at you, you're likely to crash also. As always, there's an XKCD about this: xkcd.com/1958/

@tomikun8057

Жыл бұрын

@@NickLilovich Am pretty sure flashing people without getting found out is far harder than just discreetly hiding an antenna somewhere that emits noise

@TheDeathlyG

Жыл бұрын

I mean... What you're describing is literally a DoS attack, one of the most primitive types, and they really are not that hard to filter out. DDoS's are far more dangerous, but can still be countered by relatively simply Zero-Trust procedures that add virtually 0 lag time. So no, you can't just emit a lot of noise and cause cars to crash.

@far2ez539

Жыл бұрын

The entire infosec portion of this video is garbage. He thinks that ""encryption"" matters in this context - encryption isn't the fundamental problem. Even if you could break any encryption, you can't just send arbitrarily shit to cars to get them to do stuff since you lack the authn/authz required to make them obey you. And "quantum" as just an imaginary baddie of all crypto is hilarious. There already exist quantum-immune algos. They have existed since like 2010 or even earlier. Seriously, this video makes me doubt everything about this guy. What a goon.

@far2ez539

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDeathlyG Frequency jamming isn't a primitive or solved DoS type. It still works and there's no meaningful solution to it other than "stronger signals" - which is just an arms race against an attacker. No solution to that. DDoS doesn't even make sense in this scenario. And DDoS is just a subset of DoS that almost exclusively applies to network-layer DoSing. Tons of DoS attacks (particularly resource DoS) are still viable without any need to distribute them. This wannabe infosec comments section is almost as bad as the video.

1:03 - CGP Grey: "cars would be great if only they functioned like trains..."

I remember seeing that CGP-Grey video for the first time and commenting about how hacking was a pretty big elephant in the room to ignore. This was before I'd seen any Not Just Bikes videos, so it didn't occur to me back then that this would also render streets pretty much impossible to cross, and basically prioritized automobiles at the vast expense of every other mode of transportation.

@keit99

Жыл бұрын

Guess what, that's the american traffic concept in a nutshell

@Gotlyfe

Жыл бұрын

Saying that hacking is the problem is the same as saying humans are the problem. This notion applies to literally everything. Generalized = "What if we ?" "What if someone exploited it's security flaws?!" Streets **already** prioritize automobiles... Claiming that organizing them more efficiently would prevent other forms of transportation is making some really big leaps. (Are you concerned about how automobiles replaced horses? No? You prefer the more automated mechanical transportation? Weird.....)

@jaschabull2365

Жыл бұрын

@@Gotlyfe Horses require constant care and housing space and they poop a lot. A car is lower maintenance and lower waste than a horse, but a bicycle is lower maintenance and lower waste than both, so cars completely eclipsing horses can't be compared to them doing the same to bicycles. And yes, streets already prioritize automobiles, but it's arguable they shouldn't, considering other means of transportation are, as stated above, less expensive, less cumbersome and less wasteful. Streets prioritizing automobiles punishes those who can't afford a car or storage for a car, and those who would rather not leave behind the amount of waste a car does.

@Gotlyfe

Жыл бұрын

Maintenance is a the combination of effort, training, and materials. With that notion, comparing the two is disingenuous because our culture decides those costs, so they could be anything from free to unaffordable. Car manufacturing and usage produce massive waste. Just because the waste was in a factory before a consumer got the vehicle doesn't mean its gone. I'm not sure what metrics you're using to calculate waste when comparing these transportation methods. First it seemed like you were worried about time and effort spent by people, but then you tossed manually powered vehicles into the mix. I know many people who would consider spending 2 hours to travel across a city on a bike a gigantic waste. I feel like the only thing I can agree with is the decades of inflating of prices, disproportional to cost, to the point most people can't realistically afford the transportation our corporate overlords have decided is the standard.

@jaschabull2365

Жыл бұрын

@@Gotlyfe I meant waste in terms of physical waste, not wastes of time. A car belches fumes into the atmosphere whereas a bicycle does not. Also, part of the reason cycling takes that amount of time is due to cities being spaced out in such a way that they're only truly accessible by car. Better urban planning could make them less necessary, and in cases that can't be done, trains more efficiently transport people across further distances due to being able to carry more people at once. I should probably note that: a) I'm not an economist, so I'm only relaying the experiences other people have shared with me, and b) I'm not saying everyone should toss their cars in a trash compactor en masse this instant, or even that personal automobiles to necessarily be phased out entirely. I just don't think urban planning should be set to punish those who prefer other modes of transportation, a factor which the CGP Grey video's solution sets to exacerbate.

"This sounds dangerously like a train" The most Adam Something statement ever said. I love it so much thank you

@wiesorix

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think he should change his channel name to "Sounds like a train", that pretty much sums up his content ;)

@spacedoohicky

2 жыл бұрын

Except it's not anything like a train because people standing in line are not a train. The same goes for cars in a line.

@ssingfo

2 жыл бұрын

@@spacedoohicky But a train is a line of cars... ok depending on the type of train it may have an engine. But the trains I drive consist only of cars, that are in a line and accelerate at the same time.

@spacedoohicky

2 жыл бұрын

@@ssingfo Trains also pull hoppers, flat beds, containers, stacks of containers, refrigerators, and fluid tanks. And in the definition of "train" each vehicle is connected, and travels on a rail system. Sometimes trains even pull a rack of cars (motor vehicles). But in the definition there are more loose meanings of alt-definitions of "train" that actually does stand for "a line of people", but then Adam Something's joke doesn't work because the equivocation leads to even more confusing references like "gear trains", and a "train" on a wedding gown. So in a metaphorical way Adam is correct in calling it a train, but it's virtually meaningless as a joke because it is a confusing metaphor. Also there's a video showing what in China is being called, an "innovative" "virtual rail train" which everyone is making fun of because in England they have the exact same transport which they call a bus which is a series of buslike cars connected in series. People were saying, "That's a bus. LOL.", or "That's not a train. It's a bus. LOL." which gives the impression that even if the cars are connected in series, going the same speed, that isn't always technically a train, except maybe metaphorically. But further the joke doesn't work because a series of automated cars wouldn't just follow each other, but could also split off at any turn which breaks the definition of train absolutely. It's just a really bad joke.

@ssingfo

2 жыл бұрын

@@spacedoohicky You do know that there is a general word for all those things, (hoppers, flat beds, carriages, etc.) that word is car. Therefore a train is always pulling cars. Unless its only an engine. Or do you want to tell me that my list of cars (a list refering to all the cars in a train) is wrong. Like I said, I'm a train driver, and I even drive trains only consisting of powered cars, no locomotive.

A funny thing about public transport is it helps drivers by getting cars off the road. The more people take the bus, bike lane, or rail system, the less auto traffic to clog up the freeway. Even people who commute entirely by car should be in favor of walkability measures and better public transportation because it will make their trip easier.

@HappyBeezerStudios

2 жыл бұрын

And buses, as public transport that uses the same roads, have more capacity than cars in the same volume. Rail transport has even more capacity, but also needs specialized driveways.

@Drakenwild

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I live in Europe and I heard people complain all the time about traffic jams in the city center at rush hours and I'm like, what do you mean? Unless there is a road renovation, at worst you're gonna stop for a minute at a red light and that's it. You will have enough time to easily pass after. Why? Because all of city center is well connected with massive buses on their own lanes and trams, and these travel absolutely packed. Where there actually are traffic jams is outskirts. Why? Because people who use those roads have to travel by car because they either go inter city, buses for which are more rare and less convenient to use, or don't have direct bus connection.

@JohnS-il1dr

2 жыл бұрын

When I see politicians use public transportation instead of gas hogging SUVs then I will take their demand for more trains more seriously

@justus1661

2 жыл бұрын

But it's abstract, takes some time and it's difficult to wrap ones head around this idea - sooooooooooo let's keep building them roads!

@cassideyousley406

2 жыл бұрын

The problem with trains.....Trains don't go everywhere. If you live outside the city, there are no trains.

The only problem I see is that everyone that makes the minimal move to change traffic the right way will disappear mysteriously.

You describing the underpass made me remember when i was going to school and had to use to public transport. Muggings and the trams&buses reeking of piss were the staple. And who could forget the endless waiting and never geting anywhere on time.

@leonpaelinck

Жыл бұрын

That's why we need SAFE & RELIABLE public transportation.

I got a genius idea, connect all the cars together and they all move when the front one moves

@CaeruleanWren

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, I can improve your idea. Give them a dedicated route where the only time they have to stop is when they're letting passengers off or taking passengers on, which allows them to move at high speeds through less populated areas.

@metametodo

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, and you could also make that vehicle be powered by electricity instead of gas! You might not even need a lithium battery!

@heatherswanson1664

2 жыл бұрын

Even better, give the route a dedicated lane and install tracks that have lower friction than rubber tires,

@jeffbac1889

2 жыл бұрын

You are a genius!! So eccentric and awesome!! You should start an electric vehicles company called Edison and build a "Terafactory" in Shanghai!

@gatonegro87778

2 жыл бұрын

Guys, guys listen. I was thinking, what about we also do that, but under the ground so it don't take space on the surface ? Just imagine how cool would this transport be!

Pedestrian overpasses are inconvenient because of the stairs. Pedestrian underpasses are inconvenient because you might get stabbed half-way through.

@goldenegg7447

2 жыл бұрын

we have a few options here. stairs, stabbing, jaywalking, mugging, hit by car, or cardio. I thought this through and honestly I think the underpass is the best, I hate fucking stairs and traffic.

@SobiDani

2 жыл бұрын

@@goldenegg7447 but some underpasses need stairs as well

@goldenegg7447

2 жыл бұрын

@@SobiDani stairs down to the highway so I can cross it easier

@angeldude101

2 жыл бұрын

Ramps.

@SobiDani

2 жыл бұрын

@@angeldude101 yeah but those need more space that sometimes you can't afford

Agree entirely that self driving cars are not the solution. No system is "hack-proof". That said, you should know that there are quantum-resistant encryption algorithms, they're just not in use yet.

@AdamSomething just wanted to let you know that I just saw an ad for DUBAI on this video and I just had to share the delicious irony with you. Thanks for all your videos BTW they are hilarious and informative keep up the good work 👍

I have a city planning concept I call the “broken foot”: basically you imagine that several people of common ability want to move across the city together. All of them have one or more broken feet (back paws for my dog readers). However they are not all moving the same way, some have wheelchairs, some crutches, some are being supported by another human. The city needs to be set up so that this team of broken foot’s can get anywhere they need or would reasonably be expected to want to go. You next move on to hearing, vision, sensory problems, and intellectual disabilities. If a child can’t navigate the city, it’s built wrong. They should be able to get from home, to school, to the arcade, to playgrounds, and medical centers.

@jaschabull2365

Жыл бұрын

Helicopter parents: They should be able to what now??

@TheWinjin

Жыл бұрын

"If a child can’t navigate the city, it’s built wrong." - exactly this. As a kid and a teen, I used to travel a lot around the city I lived in. In a lot of cases, I could navigate around most of the city, using only foot and metro, under 10 minutes walk from the stations. In some cases, I needed public transit and it was awful. Also, metro is a horribly expensive solution but will work if your metro area is over 3+ millions, I believe. We had around 15 and over 20 now. What I like about Tbilisi, for example, is that their bus stations and lanes are very neatly organised and tightly run. You won't even need metro in a lot of cases. However, it can still be improved, it's a great deal better than Yerevan one, for example, and IMO better than Saint-Petersburg, too. However metro and cars both have one significant pros over most of the buses I encounter: easy visibility. It's weird, but it is really hard to find an actual scheme of buses overlaid on city streets. It's always just a list of numbers that don't tell you anything. You can easily trace the road you have to walk, cycle, drive, or take on a metro, to see how to get to your destination, even without entering the start and end of your destination. Not the case with most other ways of public transit!

@Avenus112

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like thinnest-skinned man engineering. No, engineer around a reasonable scope of ability and everyone else can make the personal adjustments they need to get around it.

@BygoneT

Жыл бұрын

The school system is set up that way and it has never wronged or damaged anyone ever in the history of education, ever

@Avenus112

Жыл бұрын

@@BygoneT The best part of that is that its best read as dripping with sarcasm.

Turning every city block into an island, only connected through a car-as-a-service megacorp.

@TheMorMor

2 жыл бұрын

C'mon dude... Don't give the tech oligarchs any more crazy ideas.

@EmyrDerfel

2 жыл бұрын

Hey that could work, but how about following Barcelona's example and making them islands of 3x3 blocks? Would leave so much room for activities.

@TheMorMor

2 жыл бұрын

@@EmyrDerfel it's not the island part that's the issue. It's the megacorp part that's the issue.

@EmyrDerfel

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMorMor if the island has enough stuff on it, you won't need to get involved with the megacorp at all.

@TheMorMor

2 жыл бұрын

@@EmyrDerfel @Emyr Derfel Sweden actually tried a thing like that in the 50/60ss in Stockholm during the so called record years (record growth, employment rates etc). It was called the miljonprogrammet ( a push to make the population of Stockholm over one million) it involved a major traffic rerouting, and the creation of so called ABC suburbs (Arbete,Bostad,Centrum Work,Housing,Center) which where to be fairly self containing I that there would be a limited need to commute outside of your suburb. Unfortunately the project didn't work out as well as intended. It's is a very interesting story about social democracy, city planning and social engineering. Adam should definitely look into it

Haha I love your content. I do agree with CPG on his first point. People need to pay more attention when they drive. Way too many people on their cell phones and are so slow to react to light changes or who stop 30 ft behind a car at a light because they are texting and like to give themselves “I’m not paying attention” space. Ah yes, over traffic or under traffic walkways are hugely expensive and only make sense in a big city where it probably would make more sense not to have cars.

@weatheranddarkness

Жыл бұрын

they're extremely extremely space inefficient.

@leonpaelinck

Жыл бұрын

Underpasses only make sense to cross highways (which do not belong in a city)

I'm not going to defend CGP Grey on his video (although the information part about how congestion happens is good - just not the solution), but he said himself that if he was doing the video today he probably would change a lot in this, because he isn't happy with this video and put way to much "belief" into self-driving cars. I'm paraphrasing of course.

@jannegrey593

2 жыл бұрын

@@verde5738 I didn't say you cannot criticize it. and people asked him not to take it down. Because some tips are good in there.

@Sentient_Blob

2 жыл бұрын

He should remake the video then, but with his sort of schedule that probably won’t happen for a while

@jannegrey593

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sentient_Blob Well - Veritasium even cited CGP's video i his last video. I know that CGP doesn't have time, but at this point he should write on how many mistakes there are.

@matthewhubka6350

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sentient_Blob CGPgrey has talked about once a video is uploaded, it doesn’t get touched (unless disaster strikes)

@matthewhubka6350

2 жыл бұрын

@@jannegrey593 I don’t think there are many mistakes. I just think he ignores all the other solutions to traffic

Another example of how most people only think of additive solutions. They would rather add a 10000 dollar autonomous system to every single car, instead of using the much simpler and cheaper subtractive solution, to just not buy a car and build less roads.

@coastaku1954

2 жыл бұрын

It's easier to add onto an existing system rather than rebuild what you already have

@Kittoes0124

2 жыл бұрын

This video, and commentators such as yourself, really seem to be missing the forest for the trees. I get that these comment sections are an echo chamber in general but can we please think holistically for a moment? Realistically, are we going to abolish cars in the US anytime soon? Absolutely not. Should we build subways everywhere (the only practical way to currently isolate trains)? Absolutely not. Change in the real world happens incrementally. More self-driving cars = less individual cars = the vast majority of us end up taking mass transit because we're cheap and lazy. Most people don't even want to actually learn to drive, we simply had to in the past in order to maximize individual efficiency at the time. Now that automated solutions exist, it is time to transition; it just won't happen overnight. The entire video seems to completely ignore the fact that pedestrians are a problem for trains even more so than the average vehicle. Can a train deviate from its tracks to dodge a pedestrian? We have a solution for this... let me introduce you to the concept of the overhead crosswalk. Am I saying cars are the solution? Never. It's just that however harmful one thinks CGP Grey's perspective is (which is semi-fair), this video is *far* more toxic.

@abdisaniini

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kittoes0124 Trains have clear and distinct line of track, usually fenced/walled off in urban centre or grade seperated entirely. Cars follow a vague area we call a road, with the only things protecting pedestrians and motorists being a curb raised 5 inches, paint, and the sanity of everyone involved. Now keep in mind that a train might come once every 15 minutes and are clearly visible (most times) from a far distance, while roads can move dozens of cars per minute and often block your sight of other cars. It's obvious which one is safer. P.S. can you explain how automated driving will create less drivers, that feels countert intuitive.

@Kittoes0124

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdisaniini Yeah exactly. There is a huge list of reasons why trains absolutely suck for inner city traffic needs. Requiring specialized infrastructure that doesn't play well with other technologies being chief among them. Pretending that we can replace all, or even most, cars with trains is just silly. Anyone who claims that we're not always* going to have both clearly has an agenda or hasn't paid attention to history. Best we can do is minimize the impact of each individual car while simultaneously encouraging as much ride-sharing as possible. The former is already being tackled, although it has always been heavily encumbered by the self-interest of the auto industry (including Tesla). Doesn't matter how much they drag their heels though, progress always wins in the long term. The latter could only be accomplished by enacting public policies that give people incentive to change. Subsidies for those that choose to use some form of public transportation or ride sharing is one option. Alternatively, we could go the punitive route and tax car owners at a much higher rate than we do now, but that'd realistically just punish the poor. Time is the most important commodity of all; so another option would be to prioritize ride-sharing traffic to such a degree (think along the lines of HoV lanes, but get more creative and draconian) that it becomes the obvious choice to anyone that values their time more than the act of driving. Having more self-driving cars on the road means that we'll actually need less cars on the road. This is a bit counter-intuitive until one starts to ponder just how much time the average car spends parked. The primary reason for this is that a human operator is required. Self-driving cars would spend the vast majority of their time in transit because every minute spent in park is potentially lost profit. Even if we fail to enact public policy that encourages individuals to give up their personal vehicles, the profit motive will be enough for a lot of people to "employ" their car as a cabbie. Getting a ride will be dirt cheap, and the many many people who currently struggle with a car payment just so that they can work will happily shift. *Obviously, until something revolutionary happens; such as the discovery of a way to get around the no cloning theorem.

@abdisaniini

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kittoes0124 So you want people to be coalesced into a fleet of moving vehicles that requires minimal rider input and never parks, along with dedicated lanes to fast track them around an urban centre, and gains profit via increased ridership? Congratulations! You just invented a bus! In some cities busses already have dedicated fast lanes, such as in Toronto. There are already a myriad of apps that help people pick the most efficient route, and most comfortable route, meaning even the most braindead person just has to follow what their phone says and they'll reak h. Busses (should) arrive at each stop, at the same time, each day, meaning they can easily be worked into schedules, and since they have trained experienced drivers, it also doesn't need a single input from the rider except for maybe a "hello" when you get on and a "thank you" when you get off. You can pay via a monthly, annual, or distance based subscription depending on the municipality, with a discount for youth, students, and the elderly. And you know the best part? All of this is publicly owned! Meaning your taxes actually go to something that's useful and actually makes a diffrence! And hey, if it does make a profit, that means your municipality more money to play with, to improve the service. Not to mention all the benefits they get by having government information at their finger tips. If your busses runs via gas, or batteries, you get a flexible vehicle that can travel around debris or roads under construction. If it's run via electrical overhead cable, you get to feel good inside knowing your not supporting toxic lithium mines and slaves mining cobalt in the Congo. And if that's not enough for you, just call a taxi.

I agree on the walkable cities. Having lived in a large eu city for a few years, I liked using my car maybe once a month at the most. But most of these arguments against automated cars can be applied similarly to public transport. If these arguments disqualify automated cars, they disqualify public transport as well. Especially the hacking one - how does that vulnerability not already apply to trains, subways etc? Someone just needs to hack into the system and make a single train switch rails to cause massive collision with many casualties + multiple weeks of outages of anything using that rail. It just argues against any computer controlled system ever. I hope we can all agree that, even in a super walkable city, there are uses for a car that make it more comfortable and faster than public transport (Subway, Trains, Busses) could ever be. Whether those advantages are worth the drawbacks is a different question.

@thomaso6579

Жыл бұрын

you realise trains have drivers and run on rails with complex monitoring systems right? a train cant just tunnel out of the ground and go wherever the fuck it wants.

@Tuniwutzi

Жыл бұрын

@@thomaso6579 If someone were to hack into a rail control system with malicious intent, then it doesn't matter that trains can't tunnel out of the ground and have drivers. Make one switch rails unexpectedly right before passing another train and see how long it will take for the driver to slow it down. You could probably cause a huge accident without even needing 2 separate trains, as I would assume that just switching rails at high speed will probably derail most trains? And if you're going to say it's impossible/unlikely enough because of the "complex monitoring system", well, then let's just build that for self driving cars as well. Problem solved!

Lovely take! That's why Europe and Japan will always be ages ahead of the US in regards to mobility and use of urban spaces.

@Awaken_To_0

Жыл бұрын

Compare the size of Japan and the size of the United States.

@oak_a

Жыл бұрын

@@Awaken_To_0 what about the entirety of europe?

@avac2143

Жыл бұрын

more than 95 percent of americans live in urban areas, you aren’t traveling across the country every day for work

@Awaken_To_0

Жыл бұрын

@@oak_a The *Continent* of Europe is about the same size as the entire US. Something a lot of people - particularly in America seem to forget. "Europe" is not a country. Some of our states are larger than their nations.

@Awaken_To_0

Жыл бұрын

That's not true. According to the US census it's more like 80% with the other 20 % ( or one in every 5 people) living scattered over the rest of the over 90% rural land in America. Further, that 80% urban populations isn't evenly distributed over every urban area either. They congregate to larger cities. If you want to make things better, actually try thinking about why things are the way they are and how to solve those problems so they can change. Don't make things up to feel better than people.

Just feel like pointing out that the pipeline hack itself didn't disable the pipeline, it disabled the company's billing system so they shut down service to avoid accidentally giving anybody free gasoline.

@magiv4205

2 жыл бұрын

That is one of the most depressingly capitalist things I've ever heard

@solaris9426

2 жыл бұрын

@@magiv4205 And socialism or communism would have behaved differently in that situation?

@jacobrzeszewski6527

2 жыл бұрын

@@solaris9426 Yes, actually. Because firstly, a government controlled gas line would be far more secure than a privately owned one and would be less likely to be hacked in the first place. And secondly, the government wouldn’t shut off the gas line because it’s not the government’s goal to profit off of the gas line, because the taxes would have already been paid to use it.

@magiv4205

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobrzeszewski6527 What he said. Privatized infrastructure leads to neglected infrastructure, because to fulfill capitalism's goal of constant growth and profit, you need to invest the lowest feasible amount of money to make the biggest profit. If that means not updating the security system of one of the most important pipelines in the country to save money, so be it. If that means not renovating the electrical grid from the 50s or so to save money and de-coupling it from the surrounding states to de-regulate it even further, so that one single cold freeze in texas can utterly shut down large parts of a state that's almost as big as Germany and France combined and leave them without heating or running water - _so be it._ Oh, and guess what - as soon as electricity became a commodity, what did capitalism do? Drive up the price from 12 cents/ kwh to up to 9$/kwh. Not only did they not have elextricity, but those affected could now pay thousands in bills because the vultures in control of the grid saw a way to make more money off these people's misery. Apart from getting bled dry, hundreds of people died as a result of this btw, and they wouldn't have died if their most basic infrastructure wasn't privatized into oblivion.

@J.D.Paterborn

2 жыл бұрын

@@magiv4205 It's also not true. They shut down lots of things, and it took a long time to get back running because the hackers might have broken stuff, and turning it on again without checking every facet would have caused irreversible damage.

I dunno why, but the “how in the name of Christ will a pedestrian cross this?” part makes me lol every time.

@germanyoutubedeutschland9899

2 жыл бұрын

Actually it makes me cringe everytime, because at intersections where many pedestrians want to cross we can simply set up traffic lights .. duh. Self-driving cars are by far superior even with traffic lights and it really annoys me how many people here and of course Adam Something is pretending that CGP Gray is some kind of pedestrian hater who would oppose that, without any basis for that.

@robopope7584

2 жыл бұрын

PARKOUR

@uzaiyaro

2 жыл бұрын

@@germanyoutubedeutschland9899 no, I meant that the way he presented it was funny. I agree that the whole cgp video was cringe, but Adam is pretty funny when shredding other content to pieces.

@germanyoutubedeutschland9899

2 жыл бұрын

@A Fels You completely misunderstood my point. What you are describing is not good. You know that. I know that. Adam lets everyone know he knows. But GCP Gray knows that too, and he never said anything else. The allegations against him are completely ridiculous and do not reflect the statements in his video. For Adam, everyone who thinks self-driving cars are good is a pedestrian-hating monster, but the world is not that black and white. You can see the advantages of self-driving cars and still stand up for traffic lights, that's what Adam and Moon Moon don't want to understand and therefore act like unreasonable children here.

@postrachsmietnikow

2 жыл бұрын

@@germanyoutubedeutschland9899 ok so what happens when a pedestrian crosses on red? They're not steered by ai and will still make shitty choices. All the cars driven by AI will have to keep standing because of programming and in some countries that just means they'll be standing forever. I don't know à single person in Paris that actually waits for green

Y'know, if train stations weren't the hive of scum and villainy(and if there weren't just 3 in a major city and 1 in a small one) I'd agree. I live in in the suburbs and if I want to get to the train station I'd either have to leave my bicycle in a place I don't trust or walk there, which takes atleast 30-45 minutes to the closest one. That's not to even mention that trains aren't worth it for small distances. Cars are just better for urban living.

@leonpaelinck

Жыл бұрын

That why urban living is horrible

@oniemployee3437

Жыл бұрын

@@leonpaelinck It's actually not that bad. Every way has its pros and cons.

To be fair, greys video was about the solution to traffic, not about pedestrians or public transport

You should collab with Not Just Bikes, he is also specifically fond of the American urban development strategies

@estebanjosearancibiardrigu4068

2 жыл бұрын

He did, in the last video he uploaded

@NotJustBikes

2 жыл бұрын

@@estebanjosearancibiardrigu4068 I have not done a collab with Adam Something, for what it's worth. I'd be open to it though; I enjoy his videos.

@zycklacon9588

2 жыл бұрын

@@NotJustBikes Man i was so surprised to see you here

@baritonetenor

2 жыл бұрын

@@NotJustBikes I love the sheer potential a video with both of you would have.

@vladvladislav4335

2 жыл бұрын

True

As someone who loves driving cars, I fully agree with you. Cities belong to pedestrians and public transport, not cars. But living in the countryside it is not possible to live without one, except you want to take a three hour bus ride to just visit a friend who you could easily reach in 20 minutes by car. So get rid of the cars in cities where they are incredibly inefficient due to having to de- and accelerate all the time and public transport is cheaper and faster and just use them in the countryside!

@MaryamMaqdisi

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Maybe cars aren't as needed in most of western and central Europe but big countries can't really afford super quick public transportation that connects something in the middle of nowhere to everything else every 15/30 minutes. It's just impossible.

@hagelslag9312

Жыл бұрын

@@MaryamMaqdisi That's unfortunately the result of suburbs and how expanded everything is built. European countries are much more compact, the distances are much smaller. For example, take Houston, which is 1,722 km² and has 2.3 million citizens. Now how large do you think Paris is, with 2.1 million citizens? It's 105.4 km². Houston is *sixteen times* larger than Paris. Not double, not triple, not tenfold but sixteen times larger. No wonder they have traffic issues, everything is sprawled out *way* too far apart. And this goes for a lot of not most US cities due to their rules of single family homes being build and banning any other type of building. And this means every single thing is spread further out. The garbage truck needs to drive further, your power lines are longer, the streets need more asphalt, your need more gas for the distance, delivery takes much longer, your trips to anything takes longer... TLDR it's extra difficult now to fix because of how the cities were build. But it's not impossible, but it requires some changes. And to forbid anything other than single family homes needs to go first.

@uis246

Жыл бұрын

If bus travel on same route on same road takes 9 times longer, you should take a closer look what the fuck is happening here. To get from my home to uni on PT it takes 50-55 minutes, on car - 40-65 minites. And that's not a direct route on PT.

@uis246

Жыл бұрын

@@MaryamMaqdisiWe are talking about cities aren't we? Oh, and trains for middle of nowhere.

@uis246

Жыл бұрын

@Quantum Passport driving is always better if you are the only one driving

I'm from Barcelona and very much agree with your ideas, and I find it funny how you put Barcelona one way or another in almost every video. Ada Colau, the mayor of our city is being *highly* criticized right now for many reasons, but the one that makes people go insane is the fight on cars.

I respect the argument, but it holds little weight in the designing of sub-urban or god forbid rural cities. All of the ideas and solutions proposed pertain to big cities or at the very least dense cities.

@gonkdroid9325

Жыл бұрын

anti-car people can't seem to absorb this simple fact.. "how could anything other than my dense european city exist?"

To Grey’s credit, I started paying more attention to my spacing with other cars and I think it’s made a difference in my own contribution to bad traffic flow.

@puellanivis

2 жыл бұрын

Watching your spacing is absolutely a solid thing to do as longa s you are stuck driving. It’s also significantly safer to just back TF off from the care ahead of you based on how much speed you have. I had a lot of work to do with my ex-husband and getting him to treat driving like the activity it really is: the single most dangerous activity a person will participate in during an average day. I also tend to favor space ahead over space behind me. I know other drivers suck, and giving myself extra space means I can slow down in more time, and kind of undo a bit of any traffic snake I run into… and another big consideration is that the greatest amount of delay you can run into is if you are involved in a collision yourself. Even if no one is hurt, and very little damage has been done, you’re going to have to be delayed and deal with the situation, rather than getting to where you wanted to go. Even in motorsports, “safe is fast”.

@SOLIDSNAKE.

2 жыл бұрын

I felt like a boss when I did that yesterday

@JordanBartholme

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto. Being more aware of my spacing and influence on others is positive change. =]

@Timithos

2 жыл бұрын

I live in Florida and we have the shittiest drivers on the east coast if not the entire US. There is no public driver's education in this state. People just learn to drive from people with bad habits and their environment of bad drivers around them. Attentive driving is rare, turn signals are rare, proper acceleration on an onramp to the flow of traffic is rare, observance of the concept of the passing lane is rare. Drivers are getting worse and worse and they are coddled by their new car's "safety" features of proximity alarms, auto braking, and 29 cameras, so they can spend more time on their cell phones while driving. Self driving cars has become an almost unavoidable solution in order to save idiots from themselves.

@carstarsarstenstesenn

2 жыл бұрын

@@Timithos you're not wrong but unfortunately that's also how it is in many parts of the country. florida is just… special

one huge problem of these proposed future where self driving cars all work together is compatibility. we can barely get electric car companies to agree to use the same chargers never mind have their driving ai perfectly communicate with eachother

@thekingoffailure9967

Жыл бұрын

And every car company would have access to all of that data, exactly where you are and where you're going every single day. Similar to phones, but essential to drive anywhere.

@ArceusShaymin

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, at this moment in time there's only *one* current electric car brand that isn't conforming with the US's J1772 charging standard, and most electric car owners rib the hell out of them for it because proprietary equipment has, is, and always will be stupid.

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

what if we did self driving cars but they were all connected by physical bonds so they would all move it exactly the same time and oh right I’m talking about a train

@kadenstimpson3167

Жыл бұрын

A single accident in one of those AI intersections could kill dozens of people

@FlanaFugue

Жыл бұрын

Android system cars aren't allowed in Apple cities...😆

I once almost got late for my train in Prague while standing right in front of the train station because I didn't know how to cross the street with very dense traffic.

Walkable city would do a lot of good for public health too.