Curbing Traffic is a great book, and I can definitely recommend it: www.modacitylife.com/curbing-traffic Noise pollution is only one chapter of the book. The rest is filled with so many other reasons why we need fewer cars in our cities.

@jacob8565

2 жыл бұрын

It would be nice if you put the imperial units on screen

@ivoivanov7407

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacob8565 You mean Nepers?

@DeusRides

2 жыл бұрын

hey, regarding the loud pipes in motorcycles (the most controversial topic regarding noise and motorcycles imho), that myth is kinda debunked. I read an article a few weeks back that shows no correlation between "loud pipes" and saving lives. As a motorcyclist myself, I always argue about that when someone brings it up. If I find the link to it, I will edit this comment to add it. Love the videos, cheers. Edit: could not find the link to the study itself, but found a yt video, that might be from the same people, not sure, but it shows the results of the tests: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qG2FtrKyfa2tl9I.html

@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102

2 жыл бұрын

I grew up in the old south neighbourhood in London Ontario, not far from Commissioners road. I remember the students at my Elementary school who lived on commissioners road said that they couldn't sleep well at night during the early fall and spring because the street is so busy.

@09conrado

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacob8565 I think American dBa's have already been multiplied by 2.54

You might honestly be the greatest tourism ad for the Netherlands.

@Laxton_Himself

2 жыл бұрын

Tourism? I want to bloody live there, not just visit now!

@pocketdynamo5787

2 жыл бұрын

Not so much tourism, but immigration. However, with rising sea levels, the days of the Dutch will be over eventually.

@karlosdaniel6537

2 жыл бұрын

@@GenericUrbanism Yes, does someone really believe that the Duch officials never thought about an eventual level sea rise?

@lisannastrauss4487

2 жыл бұрын

This guy makes me want to live in the Netherlands, and I already live there

@hithere5553

2 жыл бұрын

@@pocketdynamo5787 haha. The Netherlands has actually grown in size in the last 50 years.

"Car Horns should be just as loud on the inside of the car than the outside". YES. I've been saying this forever. Such a simple change that would remove *so* much needless honking.

@NotJustBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Even better: the first honk in a period is half volume, and it increases every time. 😉

@andrewouss

2 жыл бұрын

While we’re at it, can we also ban car alarms? I feel like they go off by accident so often that most people associate the noise with ‘clumsy car owner’ instead of ‘car theft in progress’

@NotJustBikes

2 жыл бұрын

When I was a kid and a car alarm would go off nearby, my mother would yell, "HURRY UP AND STEAL IT ALREADY!"

@burkiwa

2 жыл бұрын

They should be TWICE as loud inside for the Dutch who visit a friend and 'must' honk their horn when leaving, which the majority do. AND, three times as loud when they do that when I am taking a nap. (I'm old, deal with it)

@MashZ

2 жыл бұрын

Not literally as loud. But as loud for the passengers as the people outside hear it. That would be good enough

The most astounding thing to me, which made me genuinely tear up a bit, was when you walked out of the train station and instead of seeing a parking lot, it opens straight to a sidewalk of sorts. Never in my american life have I seen anything of the sort

@nopenopenobody2971

2 жыл бұрын

haha outside of the mainstation of my hometown (basel), we have tons of trams and buses. as much as i know, our train station is only connected to the public transport, and not to the normal traffic

@aaronfield7899

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKyLzNapqqavlqQ.html

@LegioXXI

2 жыл бұрын

Thats pretty normal in European cities tho, especially if the station is an old historic building.

@Livingtree32

Жыл бұрын

@@NoGoodHandlesComingToMind But to be fair, NYC and DC are sort of the exceptions and his „American life“ is probably more representative of how most Americans live.

@LT1

Жыл бұрын

Any city with a decent subway system has this in the US.

I always thought I disliked Warsaw, until I got a pair of noise-reducing headphones and suddenly walking in the city was amazing, I actually thought to myself this city is nice. I think noise pollution is a major contributor to how much we do not enjoy our cities.

@Vjilmlllooiiiojol

Жыл бұрын

Warszawa? Personally I feel like there is decent amount of underground tunnels and "alternate roads" (smaller side roads or parks) you can walk through and avoid traffic/noise quite well. It's a city you need to know well to get to enjoy the best of. Poland is doing semi good work at diverting traffic away from city center. All kinds of cobblestone streets and 10km/h limits, (Warsaw is building new bridges and motorways 10km away from the city so less cars would need to pass through), building sound barriers etc. but obviously there is more work to do as always. I fucking love the city and I'm looking forward to the future. But if you meant the Warsaw in USA, then my heart goes out for you.

@imienazwisko4219

Жыл бұрын

Yes the city is absolutely infested with cars unfortunately and all the new infrastructure and buildings only serve cars and do not at all consider cyclists or pedestrians

@matematicarka

Жыл бұрын

@@Vjilmlllooiiiojol There’s a Warshav in the USA 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Vjilmlllooiiiojol

Жыл бұрын

@@matematicarka Yeah I know, I said so at the end.

@matematicarka

Жыл бұрын

@@Vjilmlllooiiiojol I know you know, I just can't believe they have so many names of cities from Europe. I can already hear an american tourist in Poland saying "oh you have too? Is it named after ours?"

I don't think anything drives the point home quite as well as showing a cozy looking town square with people strolling about and sitting outside cafés only to cut to how it used to look 20 years ago when it was a bloody fricking car park lmao

@brotlowskyrgseg1018

2 жыл бұрын

Especially when you consider that the amount of people seen in this single shot of a mostly empty square are propably still greater than the total amount of people who used to be able to park their cars there.

@RustOnWheels

2 жыл бұрын

@@ligametis people will always talk twice as loud as the environment. One can see this happening in bars when there aren’t a lot of folks in. People tend to talk normal. Then more people come in. The battle begins. The more people or background noise (the bar may in turn also turn up the volume) the louder people will talk. At the end of the evening people are shouting to each other.

@wimahlers

2 жыл бұрын

@@safe-keeper1042 Yeah, but now imagine the same restaurant with the same people AND car traffic. What is worse?

@stormveil

2 жыл бұрын

@@RustOnWheels Which is why sound absorption panels are a great idea -- if the noise around them stays low, people don't need to talk loud to hear each other.

@TheFeldhamster

2 жыл бұрын

Here in Vienna, turning one of the main shopping streets (Mariahilfer Straße) into a car free street was a major fight which cost the green party, who pushed for it lots of voters. I remember people on Facebook going insane over that. I usually put a link to an old picture of car free shopping streets that were established earlier - eg. Graben with lots of cars in the 60s into those discussions. And a rhetorical question like "remember when we fought over this?". Because nowadays, *nobody* can remember how bad those streets were and how people thought that turning them car free would be impossible. And nobody wants them back full of cars. In 20 years, nobody will want cars back on Mariahilfer Straße either.

As someone who moved from Cairo, Egypt to a rural town in Minnesota, I can tell you that having low noise and clean air is worth so much more than people think.

@remizu2901

2 жыл бұрын

Oh another Minnesotan pog

@sandyavatar43

2 жыл бұрын

Hey welcome to town!

@dootersnooter5343

2 жыл бұрын

What a cool name

@gamermapper

2 жыл бұрын

It's very cool that he talked of non western places

@Darkness251

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, I visited cairo and the egyptian museum while on vacation and I never had that much noise pollution and bad air. Glad it was only for a day. Buenos Aires was horrible aswell.

This series has really opened my eyes to how far behind the USA is. The sad part is that it really could be so much better, and there are plenty of places to model from. No place is perfect, but quality of life is everything.

@camthesaxman3387

Жыл бұрын

Spread this video to wake up the masses and start a revolution against car centric sprawl.

@slate613

Жыл бұрын

I think the mindset in the US is, "If we didn't come up with the idea, it can't be a good one.". Which would help explain the lack of SO many programs, services, and quality of Life improvements here. . .

@mkl5448

Жыл бұрын

@@slate613 unfortunately, I tend to agree with you. The US ego that everything here is soooo much better is really holding the limitless potential back.

@gryphonsong4082

Жыл бұрын

The previous generation of boomers ripped up a solid public transportation system and left us with a polluted world in almost every way. We went backwards, and now we are just trying to get back to where it was, and then go up from there.

@slate613

Жыл бұрын

@@gryphonsong4082 The Netherlands has given everyone a pretty good example of what can work IF other nations want to even try.

I remember one of the best things about lockdown was going outside in the middle of the day, and it was silent. Not just quiet, nothing was going on, made for very very pleasant walks

"This man said that a cycle path would spoil the village-like atmosphere of Chiswick, but it was hard to hear him over the roar of traffic." - Jay Foreman

@userequaltoNull

2 жыл бұрын

I love the Grill Brothers.

@Pelsjager

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/kXiCsKt7j7PKkaQ.html @ 2.47

@adam346

2 жыл бұрын

"F*ck you Mrs Panhandle" I love his vids.

@sit-insforsithis1568

2 жыл бұрын

Map men map men

@renskedunnewold1995

2 жыл бұрын

I am fairly certain rewatching all of Unfinished London a bunch brought NotJustBikes to my recommended page. NJB if you're reading this you should 100% collab!

I am a car enthusiast so yes, “me like car go vroom vroom” when I go to a racetrack or a car show. But in every day life, “me like quiet, shh shh”.

@zachweyrauch2988

2 жыл бұрын

I used to hang with an auto enthusiast crowd. Its sad the entire subculture gets labelled by its loudest proponents. Plenty of engineers and restorers will hopefully be vindicated when we become less reliant on everyone owning something almost no one understands.

@thatcarguy1UZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachweyrauch2988 I wish we had dedicated cycling roads in the United States like the Dutch do. I love cycling (because it is exercise but it is also like driving). I generally hate exercise because I don’t get an endorphin rush like many other people do. I just feel tired and sore. But I love cycling because it reminds me of driving which admittedly I love. I used to go on joyrides all the time when I got my license and first car. Cycling is like a joyride but trying to commute by bike where I live is dangerous. Especially at 4:30 AM (work starts at 6:00 for me).

@zachweyrauch2988

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatcarguy1UZ Thats part of the problem with this video. People shouldnt be forced into desperation when they are willing to work harder for what they need instead of what we need for them. For instance. When i was starting my career i was desperate for work (it was 2012) I took a job that seemed good based on the condition that i buy a car to commute. The job turned out to be an insurance scam and the place they sent me turned out to be a friend of the owner. (i didnt buy my car there) Either way i was now paying for a lemon i didnt need and had the ability to commute for years to awful temp jobs outside the suburban centre i lived in. I would have biked somewhere for less pay and it could have meant the same net gain financially.

@thatcarguy1UZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachweyrauch2988 that’s yet another problem in this country. The infrastructure is unilaterally set up for automotive use only. It’s dangerous to cycle, and in many places public transportation is not available or is insufficient. There’s no reason why you should need a car to go about your day to day life. And I say this as an avid automotive enthusiast who loves to drive!

@judgedbytime

2 жыл бұрын

ME HAVE PEDAL! ME PUSH PEDAL DOWN! RAA

Infuriatingly, I cannot hear what the silence is like because of traffic literally 20ft away from me right now

I love that you show the history as well. I never actually thought most of these countries ever had massive car usage issues. Seeing that massive parking lot turned into a walkable area proves it is insanely possible to fix these issues in the US. Looking at pictures and videos of other countries I have always wished we had those massive empty squares to walk and travel in instead of massive parking lots that are terrifying to walk through.

@jasonreed7522

2 жыл бұрын

Parking lots are the least terrifying place in a city to walk. A narrow sidewalk is far worse, but thats not to say that cities should be filled with parking lots, I'm sure Manhattan would be much better off if they just banned all motor vehicles save deliveries to stores during certain times (maybe focus on weekdays while people should be working and not in the streets) and city vehicles (like buses and mass transit).

@ethancrisp3491

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonreed7522 every time I enter a parking lot when walking the sidewalk ends, and then it's a free for all of asphalt with cars flying in every direction, not following the lanes, and cars backing out without looking

@dannyblindnr1

Жыл бұрын

just remember: the difference between a nice open square and a parking lot is the amount of cars

@biruss

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonreed7522 then where does i-495 traffic go

@konigstiger3252

Жыл бұрын

We don't want your commie "fix". If You want the government to control the means of transportation you should move, bc Americans love our freedom

"But it's not THAT loud" "you just get used to it!" Sir, that's because you've already gone deaf.

@rhydonphilip

2 жыл бұрын

"what?"

@joestein6603

2 жыл бұрын

"What did you say?"

@shanefoster2132

2 жыл бұрын

HEY, NO NEED TO YELL, JUST SPEAK UP.

@KrishnaDasLessons

2 жыл бұрын

@@joestein6603 I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY MILITARY GRADE TINNITUS!

@ThePixel1983

2 жыл бұрын

Same for my neighbour, the DJ. "It wasn't even that loud, I turned the music down"

I once stopped at the edge of a wind farm on a main road to hear the outrageously loud noise critics said they cause. But all I could hear was traffic noise from the road!

@duckface81

2 жыл бұрын

i once stood right next to a running wind turbine and i couldn't hear a thing

@Ascend777

2 жыл бұрын

The buffoons were hearing car noises and mistook them for turbine noises

@catalintimofti1117

2 жыл бұрын

yeah turbines are quiet as shit because they kept growing in diameter and slowing rotation speed you could stand under one and you wouldn't gear much noise

@BooBaddyBig

2 жыл бұрын

​@@catalintimofti1117 I've been under other ones, they were not totally silent, but the noise went down quickly as you moved away. I have read though that a few percent of wind turbines are really quite loud where they operate in turbulent air. But the vast majority operate in smooth air and are quite unobtrusive.

@catalintimofti1117

2 жыл бұрын

@@BooBaddyBig newer ones are much quieter than older smaller ones but location matters as well

The one thing that shocked me most about Tokyo was just how quiet it would get in the city center. My family and I stayed at an AirBnB about 300 meters away from Shibuya Crossing, and we were amazed by how serenely quiet it was. You could never have guessed that the world's busiest intersection was just a short walk away.

Note about the beginning of this video. For some (particularly neurodivergent individuals), you don't get "used to" the continuous sound; it actually gets worse. Those with sensory issues/disabilities (i.e., autism, auditory processing, ADHD) often are forced to wear ear protectors/mufflers just to function, and those aids become even more necessary in an urban environment. I personally know that I've had to put on some sort of noise blocker at volumes as low as 70 decibels, so living in a place like the city in Pakistan mentioned would be literal hell. It's not like people who live in the city always have a choice, either; commuting into the city for whatever reason may not be an option. Essentially, anyone, disabled or not, should not be forced to use aids in the place they live.

The grass between the tramrails are awesome! They not only reduce sound from the trams, it obviously looks better than asphalt, but also reduces the temperature on a hot day and soaks up lots of water on rainy days and even reduces dust in the air. The biggest reason that most tramrails don't have grass is because they're also used by other traffic, most importantly emergency vehicles like ambulances, police and fire trucks.

@andrewouss

2 жыл бұрын

When I see those grassy tram lines, I think of North American tourists I’ve seen happily and obliviously walking in dedicated bicycle lanes while cyclists curse at them in unintelligible ‘European’, and I picture those same tourists setting out a picnic blanket to enjoy the nice grassy park that no one else seems to have discovered :p

@Superdoxin

2 жыл бұрын

Turns out that ambulances and fire trucks work *fine* on the sort of manicured grass you see between the tram tracks.

@QemeH

2 жыл бұрын

@@Superdoxin Was about to comment the same. I have driven an ambulance on grass tracks and it's actually a *smoother* ride in most places since it's *not* used by heavy road vehicles, so it doesn't have potholes or wheel ruts.

@redhidinghood9337

2 жыл бұрын

Also they're hard and costly to maintain. Grass grows really fast in the summer, especially if there's rain

@stefanbruhn8536

2 жыл бұрын

@@Superdoxin not every construction of grass tracks works as an extra emergency lane. the most important criterion is if the rails are elevated or sunk into the plane. There is a German wikipedia article on the different constructions of grass tracks, if you can work with that. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasengleis

"if you don't know what DbA is, look it up" "manufactures have lobied against this for years because they're dicks" *subscribes*

@PeachCrusher69

2 жыл бұрын

*dBA or dBa or dB(a)

@captainchaos3667

2 жыл бұрын

To expand on why the d _has_ to be lower case: it's the SI prefix "deci", meaning one tenth. SI prefixes have a fixed case because sometimes the other case means something else. In this case, while not official, in some countries D is used for the SI prefix "deca", which means ten.

@cpukiller3600

2 жыл бұрын

Well designing the tires only for in-city driving is kind of a waste tbh as they often travel between cities. So I can understand why you don't want to change the car for that.

@kyhfin

2 жыл бұрын

@@captainchaos3667 Haha great answer. I see a lot of times people using m (milli) instead of M (as in Mega) to represent a million. For example, they write a 1 m€. Typically, you still know what they mean. Even worse is that Facebook uses that a message has been sent 5m ago. I always wonder how it was sent 5 meters ago? The greatest thing is even that sometimes one source uses 'm' for minutes and 'm' for months to keep it easy.

@wtfronsson

2 жыл бұрын

It's not about manufacturers lobbying. How would they lobby against the entire world, every country? Huh? I'm actually baffled just trying to guess how he thinks that works, lol. It's about the customer not wanting nor needing a tire that costs more, wears out faster, and has lower performance/safety. Probably ends up being worse for the environment too. There's a good reason for most things. But no, we like bikes and hate cars so let's just resort to name calling I guess. What an awful take.

As someone with painfully sensitive ears, it infuriates me that tire manufacturers lobbied against the requirement of a modification that would be NEGLIGIBLE towards their dividends. That on top of the fact that the noise of cities and roads is actually optional.

@swisstraeng

Жыл бұрын

Tires are already designed to reduce noies. But quieter tires are more expensive. And almost nobody is ready to pay a higher price for quieter tires, when only a few cities on a whole planet would have a law about that lower noise. Best option is just to move that traffic out of the city in the first place, as well as slow it down within the city.

@pharaohsmagician8329

Жыл бұрын

@@swisstraeng that's not the best option, that's a ridiculous naive UNLIKELY solution. The best solution is multiple small solutions that are feasible and realistic to implement that add up to combine a great change, like quieter tires. Expecting traffic to only drive cars outside the city limits negates the entire purpose of cars to commute to work grocery etc. This channel shows how there no public transport even in cities that allows reliable commuting without a car in cities.

@leandrog2785

Жыл бұрын

I think a good policy approach to this would be for a country to make a subsidy / tax benefit proportional to tire quietness (it's financially equivalent to adding adding an extra tax to louder tires, if the base tax is already defined considering this anyway). That gives manufacturers and tire sellers the financial incentive to use quieter tires. This should affect only vehicles intended to be used in urban areas, so 18-wheelers for example wouldn't be affected.

@biruss

Жыл бұрын

@@leandrog2785 tax his tears

@Jwellsuhhuh

Жыл бұрын

You’re all missing one major point… cars need to make noise to alert pedestrians. That’s why there was a bit of controversy with electric cars a while back since they were so silent

I just want to take a moment and say that I so greatly appreciate you having subtitles on your videos. It means a lot that you take the time to put them in instead of using the terrible autogenerated ones

This guy is getting steadily sassier and sassier and I’m digging it

@TheShmekler

2 жыл бұрын

"The tire companies have lobbied for years against it because they're dicks!" lol l agree. His style is getting better as his ability to construct valid arguments increase.

@bethanygreenwood8655

2 жыл бұрын

Yesss!

@briansepolen4917

2 жыл бұрын

These great videos, i want to show to my kids so they know what right looks like. But they feel violated when Dad shares a video that has language.

@maknyc1539

2 жыл бұрын

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@darkranger116

2 жыл бұрын

i too am sick and tired of people not catching on

Watching this channel is both interesting and depressing because it constantly advertises a better way of life I'll never have.

@DiederikCA

2 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome to move to NL one day! Please just dont take your car with you like many expats do. Beware that our housing is small and inferior to many other countries.

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to move to Brussels ;-)

@alexradu1921

2 жыл бұрын

Same... our country is like 50 years behind Netherlands, or any western country really. Suks to be an Europe ex-communist country... Also, here we don't even have proper roads for cars, let alone bikes (potholes are all over the cities).

@barkingdoggo3331

2 жыл бұрын

as someone who lives in Brazil i want to cry haha

@gabrielbarbosa7882

2 жыл бұрын

@@barkingdoggo3331 same

After growing up in a forest, then living in a handful of cities, I can tell you that city noise is my arch enemy.

I live in such an UNBEARABLY noise polluted city that if I ever set foot in Delft and it's as silent as you describe, I'm gonna friggin kneel down and start crying from happiness

everyone else: tries to be quiet in the morning some dude with a 50cc scooter he got for 100€ on eBay: honey, hand me the loudest exhaust today, for I crave to embrace both this and the neighborhood next to us in the splendor of my engine's rhythmic ratteling.

@nj1911

2 жыл бұрын

don't forget about the big bore kit and removing all restrictions =)

@PovilasPanavas

2 жыл бұрын

@@dalegribble9101 I think this is a very American viewpoint. If you live in a city, you live in an apartment. Even if it's house/cottage it will be next to road. And not road to those houses, but actual road. So, it won't be one scooter... It will be a lot of them. Also, never heard anyone mowing lawn at 8am. They start at 9am earliest in London :) Also, not people most likely, but agency who take care of everything for apartments.

@sammy13ificationable

2 жыл бұрын

I used to ride a big bore honda express when I lived in the city, and I shit you not, some mother fucker took a Tao Tao scooter and put a modified 100cc dirt bike engine on it. Loud as hell, six speeds, went 90mph, and popped wheelies EVERYWHERE. That thing was rowdy as hell and I kinda wanna build one

@sammy13ificationable

2 жыл бұрын

@@PovilasPanavas man I used to live across the street that from a dude that would mow his lawn at FOUR IN THE MORNING EVERY DAY. my 40 year old shitbox was open hear and idled at 130db and my neighbors complained out my "whip" less than they did his mowing. I went to work at 3pm

@JenkoTV

2 жыл бұрын

This may be why karma usually ensures motorcyclists become doners.

"The volume of a casual conversation is the level at which it starts getting annoying" This video gets me.

@alexp6013

2 жыл бұрын

When you think about it it makes complete sense. You want to talk as loud as possible to ensure being heard as well as possible, but you don't want to be bothered by your own volume. So you tend to talk at a level just below that of annoyance. Of course, other factors do matter a lot (for instance, we match other people's volume, and we also talk at varying volumes depending on our emotional state), but that's a pretty general factor that explains quite a bit

@mbengaful

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexp6013 Depends of the location i guess. A casual conversation noise level in Spain can be pretty annoying.

My grandpa is blind and he hates electric cars because he cant hear them, but his solution was that he just thinks people should be able to walk places without worrying about being hit by a 2 ton mass of metal and plastic going at 30 mph. hes even an 80 year old american veteran whos reasonable enough to not defend fart cars

I'm a huge car enthusiast, and I love driving and racing. BUT, I think it's awful how car dependant citys are and how loud they can be. Sure something like an old V8 muscle car or V10 Supercar can sound "cool" to some people, but it instantly stops becoming "cool" once it disturbs people who don't care. People don't want to hear your fart can Honda, bro. People with one child drive huge 7,000 Pound SUVs, and people with a .25 mile commute think they need a giant pickup truck just to get to work and back. I wish I could walk or bike to where I need to go, but I don't even have a sidewalk outside where I live. If I could use public transport and bikes to get around, then I could have a fun car for driving on the race track instead of needing a boring everday car just to get around. I would even like an small electric car like a VW E-Golf or BMW i3 for driving at rallycross and track day events if it helped reduce noise pollution, though I can't get one as I have absolutely no place to charge it. You can like cars but agree that they don't have to be required for existence in a city, and shouldn't be comically loud.

My neighbor has an e-snorfiets, and the most noise it makes is the chirp when the console starts up. It's kind of a miracle.

@NotJustBikes

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds nice. My neighbour has a farting snorfiets. It sucks.

@rcmrcm3370

2 жыл бұрын

Ours put glass pack mufflers (noise increasing) on his hot rod. I hate North America.

@Boborjan1986

2 жыл бұрын

Ebikes here. My problem is my roommate.. He is.. LOUD! At the end of the street i can hear him, and my room is right next to his, the wall between us.. a thin funer plate. At the same time, he hates it, when im snoring, so... 1:1.

@GreenLarsen

2 жыл бұрын

I want to like e-scooters. But the ideer of people just dropping them everywhere and drunk people using them. I think it will get better, but people need to get use to using them properly

@ArAcHnId777

2 жыл бұрын

@@GreenLarsen I like to point out that this is not an escooter issue... This is an asshole issue and esooters are not always a rent scooter...

"When you step out of the train in Delft, you're immediately struck by how quiet it is" Blaring tinnitus: "its free real estate"

@jackveatch655

2 жыл бұрын

I'd rather calm my tinnitus with music or a podcast than blaring car horns. I couldn't stand to use the redline in Chicago because my stop was built in the middle of the highway and it hurt my ears to hear it.

@freakymoejoe2

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackveatch655 for sure, im just lamenting that i've lost the sound of silence

@xTobsecretx

2 жыл бұрын

Whenever I get home to Germany and out of the train station where I get picked up, I am struck by how quiet it is. I can hear things I can’t hear all year when I’m in NYC. God these videos just make me so mad we haven’t done any serious restructuring for bikes in NYC yet. A couple painted lanes on the roads that everyone ignores, when we could take Park Ave and turn it into a 100% bike zone.

@theblueclue3843

2 жыл бұрын

ironically tinnitus can (in some cases) occur from damage cause by exposure to loud noises

@georgplaz

2 жыл бұрын

@@theblueclue3843 or by high stress and tension, as we just learned, can be caused by car noise 😅

You mentioned high volume sound triggering stress response, which I sort of recognized but was never fully aware of. Then you played the moped and farting motorcycle sounds and A) I knew they were coming because you announced them and B) I have control over the volume of my own headphones, and I could STILL feel my whole body tense up and my brain get super annoyed at both of them, it's actually incredible. I live in the Netherlands, I'm Dutch, lived here for my whole 27 year life, so I know that we do better than most countries, but holy heck the moped problem is REAL. Great video, thanks so much for the deep dive and highlighting the places where it's done well!

@jasonreed7522

2 жыл бұрын

I'm fairly certain that loud exhausts directly tranfer all stress from the driver (asshole) to everyone in range which can be litteral miles in the country. (It may not be as loud but a motorcycle banging off the limiter is still obnoxious when its the loudest distant sound even if its probably 55dBA for you)

@kaz8103

2 жыл бұрын

its annoying but its not that bad you are just sensitive

@idiot_rat

Жыл бұрын

@@kaz8103 maybe your standards are just too low.

@fs23

Жыл бұрын

@@kaz8103 noise is literally proven to be a major health issue so they are not too sensitive.

@slate613

Жыл бұрын

The sad thing is, they make electric mopeds and even motorcycles, but people want to hear that ugly noise for some reason. I looked up the Biro mini car and OMG I want one! :D

I live in San Francisco and occasionally while I am walking outside I encounter the "farting motorcycle" which has been modified (or has a severe malfunction of some kind) to be as loud as it can possibly be. It's amazing that the sound can be deafening from ONE HUNDRED METERS AWAY. And then they often have a stereo blasting at maximum volume as well.

As a car enthusiast who enjoys how loud cars can be there definitely is a time and place. As much as I love motor sports, most everything I need to do in my city can be done by bike and really wish more American cities were bike friendly.

@shelbypowell9919

2 жыл бұрын

The best argument I’ve seen is that fewer cars means more fun for motorists who can actually enjoy their drives

@kalle5548

2 жыл бұрын

And the best thing is butterfly valves for the exhaust, loud when doing pulls, no drone and noise pollution whilst travelling

@JKDJack

2 жыл бұрын

@@kalle5548 yes

@sm3675

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I love cars, but I also love to walk and to bike. My car loving probably stems from my earlier bike loving when a child 😭😭.

@3089280288

2 жыл бұрын

So that time and place is everywhere and when ever? Gotdamm noise makers piss me off.

this guy needs to make a video about Americans liking to use full-size trucks as they would normal cars. Just picture 6 ford f150s carrying 6 people to a Starbucks

@ZackP504

2 жыл бұрын

It's more comfy.

@patrickpaterson8785

2 жыл бұрын

It's mostly obese people/ Southern to Mid-westerners who drive those as their daily. Look at the West Coast or New England and it's a much different story.

@ZackP504

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickpaterson8785 I'd say it's more people who do some sort of manual labor or trade-like work. And of course the West Coast and New England aren't gonna have as many trucks. If you live in the city you have less uses for a truck. And if it's a Ford F150, those things have a higher pricetag than other pickups, so I understand why they use them as daily vehicles

@davidguerrero941

2 жыл бұрын

This shit happens in California.

@patrickpaterson8785

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZackP504 I don't live in a city, and 90% of the trucks in the parking lot where i work (office setting) don't have a speck of dirt on them or even a tow hitch in place. I totally get the people who need a truck for work or what not, but for most people they just have it in their head it's a status symbol.

Last year, I've been on vacation in Amsterdam for two weeks and spent two days in Cologne before that. They're both cities of similar size in terms of population, but I found Cologne much more stressful than any place in Amsterdam and thanks to your video I can finally pinpoint why: Cologne was just fucking loud. In hindsight it's obvious...

@MB-up3mh

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he is generalizing a bit but that comes from a fact, that US cities contrast so much to Europe cities in terms of car centric design. While as a person living in Warsaw in Poland I hate some parts of this city I definitely love that it isn't that loud and walking or cycling is possible pretty much everywhere and is a better choice to just cycle to work then to use car or public transportation.

I live in the netherlands and the only noise i hear all day long is the huge freezer in my room LOL

@JinMori07_

Жыл бұрын

btw its not that loud i barerly hear it, just at 2 am where every little sound sounds like a gun shot

The video where Mr. Not Just Bikes doesn’t hold back and releases all his feelings.

@NotJustBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Vehicle noise really pisses me off, so ... yeah.

@krvivekk

2 жыл бұрын

@@NotJustBikes you better never visit India Especially Bangalore Delhi Mumbai if American city is unbearable for you then I can't even imagine your reaction in these cities.

@andrew20146

2 жыл бұрын

@@NotJustBikes I absolutely _hate_ motorcycles and after-market modded car exhausts. I would love every one of those vehicles to be confiscated, crushed down to a cube and returned to their owners.

@brittanyouldcott2912

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrew20146 same. The motorcyclists in my area are intentionally obnoxious and if I could get away with it I'd slash all their tyres....

@ihateregistrationbul

2 жыл бұрын

@@NotJustBikes Cars*

One of the cutest and most depressing things I've ever heard was when I was on a first date with a girl in NYC. We we're overlooking the Hudson and the parkway was below out of sight, she then turns and says to me "I sometimes think of that sound as if I'm at the beach and hear the waves crashing on the shores". In the moment I thought that it was incredibly cute, but later riding the train home I realized just how dystopian that sentence actually was. Cars suck, and continue to cause problems weather gas or electric.

@ZayanK

2 жыл бұрын

That's like a quote straight out of a dystopian cyberpunk novel.

@Lotjeloveslaika

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulnadratowski3942 That's because the US sucks at regulating for bikes. Look at the video's Not Just Bikes has made about cycling in the Netherlands, where there are more bikes than people

@charliegil2007

2 жыл бұрын

Cars are cancer.

@charliegil2007

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lotjeloveslaika Great reply. That guy sounds so American that he was probably born at a McDoanlds.

@gabriele_diecast4836

2 жыл бұрын

But cars are necessary. It's so easy to say they are useless when you live in a big city. And as a big car enthusiast, I can tell you cars aren't just piece of steel made to bring you from point A to B

When I was in New York City years ago right off Washington Square Park, we had to leave the windows open at night during the summer just to get some relief from the heat which also meant trying to sleep with all the noise that I'm just now realizing was probably 95% vehicle noise... And it's nonstop. This has got to be a factor in why New Yorkers who grew up in the city have a reputation for being so blunt, guarded, and impatient lol

It's weird, other worldly, when you go to somewhere that's outside in the open, yet truly silent. I've only experienced it a handful of times in my life. Dead of night, no cars, no chatter, no AC or machinery hum. But also you don't realise how omnipresent that distant cars and buildings hum is even seemingly far away from the roads; when it's actually gone, it's bliss. However, it gets weird when there's also no wind, no nighttime insect or animal noises, nor water, just silence.

I was reading that here in Ontario the increasing popularity of cargo e- bikes is "problematic"..there is a discussion about regulating or banning them...What the hell?! These are the best car replacement.

@MatthewStinar

2 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of investing in one myself. I haven't owned a car in years and I hope it never happens again.

@swaggery

2 жыл бұрын

Only thing with those is they need to build secure e-bike parking. That way people can buy those instead of rent from Bird or whoever. Just only $1000 and parking would cost $100 per year probably, and doesn't require insurance. A dream vehicle.

@Zraknul

2 жыл бұрын

We don't need to ban them, we need to improve the infrastructure they use.

@dogguy8603

2 жыл бұрын

@@swaggery why not require insurance?

@MrTynanDraper

2 жыл бұрын

@@aabb55777 Its illegal in Canada to sell ebikes that can go beyond a certain speed. I think that is a good law. THey should not be able to go faster than a reasonably fast peddle bike on a flat road. As far as I know the USA has no such speed limiters on their ebikes.

"Fake London" - gets me every time.

@andrew20146

2 жыл бұрын

Too many Europeans were getting confused by him talking about growing up in London and showing pictures of London, Ontario (which decidedly does not look like real London despite being on the Thames).

@deego237

2 жыл бұрын

Check it out the Fake Paris that exists here in Ontario! hahaha

@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102

2 жыл бұрын

I was born in the real London and grew up in the fake London and I can tell you that the fake London is definitely inferior to the real one.

@valentinmitterbauer4196

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention Fake Hallstadt in China. They rebuilt the austrian original without even asking. That's a rare case of real cultural "appropriation". Copying something because it looks exotic to you without understanding its real meaning.

@danielsomers4025

2 жыл бұрын

I like to call it ‘the bad London’

Thank you! Noise pollution is an important issue. Every time I research noise pollution, I feel like we are all living in a normalized horror story. I often sleep using ear defenders. It's uncomfortable, but better than the noise of cars. It would be amazing to live somewhere where ear defenders are less necessary.

@susanamunera8573

2 жыл бұрын

If u haven't already, check out silicone ear plugs! They're are good insulators and way comfier

I have lived in Delft for 18 years but I never payed attention to the noise, but now that I think about it, it's indeed very silent

Considering that a horn is a warning signal only to be used in emergency situations I'd say it's quite ok that they are very loud. But there definitely should be some sort of mechanism to punish unjustified use of a car horn. Mark Rober once had the suggestion to add a second more casual horn.

@TheoHiggins

2 жыл бұрын

I think doing both would be best Add casual horn *and* make both the same volume inside as out

@parkeld

2 жыл бұрын

my 2012 Volt has casual horn and regular horn

@DctrBread

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely like the idea of having the horn be obnoxiously loud in the cabin too. Would stop people from using the horn as an ersatz sonic weapon.

@rubenfriedetzky1010

2 жыл бұрын

Realistically speaking, the people who use the horn improperly want it to be obnoxious, so i'm not too certain how much good a more casual horn would do.

@davidty2006

2 жыл бұрын

Also it's quite easy to make the horn just as loud on the inside. Put a window down.

The conclusion is, when a Dutch city has a problem, they actually look at the source of the issue to resolve it, and when an American city has an issue, the usual response is something like “get gud noobs”

@josabee6612

2 жыл бұрын

no, they blame the immigants

@adam346

2 жыл бұрын

@@josabee6612 ah culture wars... why improve things when you can just make people feel it's other people's fault and they cannot do anything about it until "they" have been dealt with... then after spending egregious amounts of time/money/political capitol on said fake problem... they get voted out or get told it was fixed and they just never noticed it.

@lillexus5589

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes ofcourse, that's why multiple 30+ year old "problems" haven't been solved to this day.

@Mat-xy7gb

2 жыл бұрын

@@josabee6612 - Why are the streets so crowded with cars? *Guy with a heavy texan accent*: Well let me tell ya a thing or two ‘bout those damn mexicans

@Rangvald8909

2 жыл бұрын

@@LucasSantos-ss6ou I’m honestly sick of it. Living in North America is like living amongst a culture of griefers.

What always gets me is that people will jump on their phones to make noise complaints about a small concert one night, or neighbors having an occasional gathering but don’t often think about the din of traffic

My last house was on a fairly busy street with a speed bump literally 20 feet from my bed. Also, there was a biker bar down the road. My mood increased DRASTICALLY when I moved to a different house. I HATE motorcycles in the city so much.

I am a motorcycle rider and I am sick and tired of telling other motorcycle riders that there are no studies that shows that loud exhaust saves lives. I hate loud motorcycles. Unfortunately I have not found a way to reduce noise but to move slower

@googiegress7459

2 жыл бұрын

I've read up on it a bit, and the OEM parts are usually the quietest. Electric motorcycles are getting a little better every couple years!

@jazz3799

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t say I’ve seen any studies that loud bikes protect the rider on some way. But, in my town a biker dies at least once a week because drivers don’t pay enough attention. I would be scared to see how much worse it would be if they couldn’t hear them coming at all

@udishomer5852

2 жыл бұрын

Electric motorcycles do exist

@peterholzer4481

2 жыл бұрын

@@jazz3799 So, that's at least 52 dead bikers per year in your town alone? That's almost as many as in all of Austria. Also, I don't think those drivers did hear the bikes.

@bas4627

2 жыл бұрын

@@jazz3799 Sound moves in waves. With the engine and exhaust making noise and the bike moving forward, almost all of the noise is behind the bike. So... you can hear where the bike was. This isn't helpful in the 'noise that saves me on the bike'-case. In built up area's the waves crash into buildings and reflect making it difficult to actually locate the source of the noise, so that's also not helpful. In fact, if someone would make the case of 'loud pipes save lives' I tell them to mount the exhaust pipe the other way so it aims forward. At least it makes more sense that way. Somehow they always disagree.. (I ride motorcycles myself)

Loud streets are also hell if you’re autistic and sensitive to loud noises (like I dealt with living on one of Berlin‘s busiest streets for 4 months... or literally anywhere in America)

@NotJustBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true!

@dinodino5602

2 жыл бұрын

+++

@tardvandecluntproductions1278

2 жыл бұрын

I wear headphones even when I don't listen to music just to make any harsh noise, less painful.

@Karasumorisama

2 жыл бұрын

yep that's me in a shitty carboard appartment near suburbia , hundreds of SUVs a day :(

@thewhitefalcon8539

2 жыл бұрын

All the buildings in Berlin seem to have awesome sound insulation. Close the (super thick and double-glazed) windows. Another factor about urban design that is WAY UNDERAPPRECIATED!! (You hear that NotJustBikes? Make a video about sound insulation in buildings! Also heat insulation)

I'm a Dutchie, but I live in a small town in a rural area where its so quiet you can hear your blood moving through the vessels in your ear, spoiled as I am I still think even Dutch cities are loud. I would probably be very miserable in any other city 😂

As someone who is blind, I want quiet streets but I can’t have streets that are too quiet otherwise I can’t hear vehicles coming. Here in Australia we are trying to get the same legislation for electric cars and scooters because people with vision or hearing difficulties as well as the general public have had so many incidents. I love when I visit my Irish family, they live in the countryside and it’s just amazing to be able to not hear traffic constantly. When I come back to Sydney, for the first couple of weeks I can’t hear anything but the roads.

Electric mopeds have come a really long way. They’re everywhere here in Oslo, and they’re SO quiet.

@protivoush

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I watched a guy livestreaming himself in Taiwan, delivering food on an electric moped and that thing is so quiet, it starts beeping at low speeds to warn pedestrians. Its really impressive how quiet electric vehicles can get

@NSR747

2 жыл бұрын

I've tried several electric mopeds and realised that they aren't fast enough. Their max speed should be minimum 60kmh, otherwise cars tend to pass you In 50kmh zones and that's too dangerous.

@azbgames6827

2 жыл бұрын

@@NSR747 the stealth bomber b52 e bike can go 80km/h

@NSR747

2 жыл бұрын

@@azbgames6827 That costs around 10k usd which is crazy. Average monthly salary in my country is 1500 eur. And the stealth bomber is not road legal (lights, turn signals etc) and it would be A1 category bike which needs drivers licence, yearly MOT and insurance. If it has plates, it´s not allowed on bicycle lanes and pedestrian roads. So makes it kind of pointless for commuting. I loaned a FIIDO electric bicycle and it does better than electric moped i had. Also much safer to drive since i´m not using car lanes, but bicycle lanes.

@shaungordon9737

2 жыл бұрын

They really need to ban petrol powered ones, at least new sales

As someone with sensory dysfunction, cities are physically painful for me due to the noise. Delft sounds like paradise.

@eldritchteletubby9319

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronniefurbs Eh, maybe it's both. I appreciate the sentiment, but I definitely don't process loud noises or bright lights in the same way that an average person would.

@andrxmeda97

2 жыл бұрын

@@eldritchteletubby9319 the average person is desensitized to the noise/light pollution. Humans are normally really sensitive to those things, just like all animals. I had a motorcycle in the past, and back then the noise & oncoming car lights didnt bother me. Now after 2-3 years without a motorcycle & without going to the city, i'm suppeeeer sensitive to noise & bright lights, so much that the noise literally scares me!

@andrxmeda97

2 жыл бұрын

@Blondie even i get close to a heart attack if you put me in the middle of a big city 😂 in nature there arent many things happening at the same time, so yes its normal to be overwhelmed by the noises/lights

@jimiijimii1111

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's like a super power. If you're in the woods, you'll be able to pick up all kinds of sound.

You just made me realize why I prefer riding my bike through the side streets rather than the main one despite better bike paths, it's all because of the car noise.

Great content. I'm a motorcycle rider myself and absolutely hate loud exhausts. In my opinion European mopeds are made loud by regulations, pushing under powered 50cc engines. The thing that drives me nuts is the ridiculous amount of 2stroke stinkers that roam around European cities. Thailand regulated those polluting things away decades ago. That's made worse with CVT transmissions on scooters where you have no option but to rev the living 💩 out of them just to move. Stepping up to a modern 4 stroke 100cc or more and using good baffles in exhaust systems, dramatically makes them quieter. When given a transmission with actual gears allowing you to shift early, then you're able to tick along at city speeds.

10:43 "A group of cyclers riding and talking is about 65 Dba which is about as loud as a normal conversation" [..] "65 is about the level that is becoming irritating" Thank you for letting me finally find out why conversations are irritating!

@rcmrcm3370

2 жыл бұрын

Shhhhh. You are thinking too loud.

@MatthijsvanDuin

2 жыл бұрын

it's spelled dB(A) (decibel, A-weighted)

@therealdutchidiot

2 жыл бұрын

@@dutchman7623 It's not just screaming, it's frequency as well.

@eidrag

2 жыл бұрын

reduce humans, get less conversation noise

As someone who lives in Delft, the mopeds are horrendous since everything else is so quiet XD

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

Many newer ones are electric luckily.

@matekochkoch

2 жыл бұрын

One thing i will never miss, the smell and noise of those small two-stroke engines. The petrol ones should be outlawed asap.

@martinn.6082

2 жыл бұрын

@@matekochkoch I hate those, they sound like a chainsaw strapped to q megaphone.

@goldbrodidoggo

2 жыл бұрын

Mopeds are so much in quantities in East Asia... I really hates that, including in my country..

@1968Christiaan

2 жыл бұрын

You are so right... if you listen to the traffic in Berlin.... the loudest things are the mopeds....and they STINK ! : (

It's always shocking and refreshing to hear someone doing the math on dB correctly.

This is something that actually surprised the heck out of me when I studied abroad/taught English in Japan years ago. I grew up in the country for the most part, so I'm quite familiar with actual peace and quiet, but I have also spent a lot of time traveling and living in far louder urban spaces (Cincinnati, Columbus, NYC, DC, etc.). So when I arrived in Tokyo, Japan, I expected it to be just as noisy as say NYC...and it didn't really disappoint. It was still pretty loud. BUT!! The city in which my classmates and I were to settle and make home? It was truly amazing to me that Morioka, a city of around 300K people at the time could be so quiet, even during busy hours. And after hours, the city basically went to sleep. At about 9pm, everything but the bar/karaoke strip would shut down. Even light posts on the outskirts of town would dim or turn off, so even light pollution was heavily reduced. This made riding my bike 45 minutes home after a fun night out a bit treacherous, but dang was it nice and quiet, and you could actually see the full night's sky with the moon illuminating the local Mount Iwate. I haven't been there in a long time, but I imagine is still a very beautiful and generally enjoyable place to live.

Ah. A tram line and a bicycle path can carry as much people as 8 lane stroad or 3 times of the Vegas loops. This is just too funny

@Jofkos

2 жыл бұрын

it could be so simple, but car must go vroom and public transport/biking is for poor people or something

@alpemwarrior

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't have rgb tho 0/10

@junbh2

2 жыл бұрын

Well yeah. A tram carries a LOT of people.

@GreenLarsen

2 жыл бұрын

It truly is insane

@brotlowskyrgseg1018

2 жыл бұрын

That just sounds like a branding problem to me. We just need to call trams "hyperpods", stick some rbg lights on the sides and convince everyone that Elon Musk invented them. Of course any rudimentary amount of research would reveal that the idea is over a hundred years older than Musk himself, but when has that ever stopped the hype?

When visiting Venice back in 2018 one of the most surreal and enjoyable experiences was to simply walk in a city and not hear cars. It was so pleasant that it was almost dreamlike.

@honema123456789

2 жыл бұрын

I'm from a quiet village in the netherlands and only after reading this I realised how venice was the only place in italy where I didn't actively notice how loud it was

@korenn9381

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, walking in between hundreds of thousands of tourists to the point where Venice feels like Disneyland sort of lessened the enjoyable experience.

@honema123456789

2 жыл бұрын

@@korenn9381 idk when I went to Venice I saw next to nobody, like it was just a quiet town in northern Italy like the rest of them

@korenn9381

2 жыл бұрын

@@honema123456789 was that in the middle of, say, a pandemic? Without lockdowns in the tourist season it's insanely busy.

@honema123456789

2 жыл бұрын

@@korenn9381 no ofcourse not, it was just not during tourist season

Many cities are also mostly hard sound-reflecting surfaces. Adding some soft stuff (trees, grass, uneven road surfaces) can help a lot.

@RideAcrossTheRiver

Жыл бұрын

The 'noise' from cars is rushing air.

@chaos.corner

Жыл бұрын

@@RideAcrossTheRiver Unless you're meaning that all sound is rushing air, car noise is mostly tire and engine noise. Though that's not really relevant to the sound absorbing properties of the surroundings.

@RideAcrossTheRiver

Жыл бұрын

@@chaos.corner Engine noise? Maybe in 1947. Public transit vehicles are far more noisy than cars. Probably 110 dB in a subway station and diesel electric buses have no emissions reduction. My car is quiet and clean and I am free from being packed into cheap crates.

@chaos.corner

Жыл бұрын

@@RideAcrossTheRiver Yes. I don't see your point. I was commenting about options for sound deadening in city environments.

@RideAcrossTheRiver

Жыл бұрын

@@chaos.corner The video blames cars. Public transit is more noisy.

15:36 I lost it, I fell off my chair and started laughing.

You literally just blew my mind how silent the cities in the Netherlands are. Also the beauty and how clean they were was so inviting. It is so charming to see a city I dreamed about for years. It was literally, no joke, my dream to move to some small silent nearly no cars Italian or something city and just enjoy the life, the things you see in old movies were old people just go about their day and young people search for romance. Sounds clinche, but it has some weird charm to me. And I felt this charm more so in this video then I ever did before. I wish this is what the whole world looked like. Absolutely beautiful and inviting. I am having tears in my eyes.

@C0deH0wler

2 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling that the Netherlands will be a huge cultural, social and infrastructure powerhouse in the future :) Dutch designs are already spreading to Canada and UK. They are investing in the exportation of their knowledge and experience.

@Window4503

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the Sehnsucht got to you :)

@rayn3038

2 жыл бұрын

I cannot afford to live in Singapore but I spent a lot of time there and it is so wonderful to live peacefully without a car and enjoy a designed city…like Amsterdam…even Tokyo…is pleasant compared to any American City…we are hopeless barbarians and egocentric selfish…childish morons…..our Toys…show our lack of intelligence…only clever to make money.

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayn3038 I hate when people like you go on tirades based on stereotypes.

@ambergris5705

2 жыл бұрын

Italians love a moped, though

Dude, Portland right after the pandemic hit was dead quiet. So nice to walk through

@thestudentofficial5483

2 жыл бұрын

pretty much everywhere. The early days of lockdown is something to be nostalgic.

@googiegress7459

2 жыл бұрын

In the Seattle area the traffic was lower in March 2020, but went back to normal by May. Now there are just as many cars but everyone drives faster until you hit the girdlock that exists in specific areas every day.

@NotJustBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, same here in Amsterdam. It was so quiet everywhere with all the cars gone. Bliss.

@rcmrcm3370

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo! 'Portland' has Google AI put your comment to the top.

@MrTheoJ

2 жыл бұрын

and Portland is one of the most beautiful American city's to begin with

My girlfriend and I are from Breda in the Netherlands, which is a pretty small city for U.S. standards (around 180.000 inhabitants). We went to Delft once for a day and we were pleasantly surprised with how the city was shaped. I'm very much into urban planning (especially by you and this channel) and I just fell in love with how the city looks. It's still a possible place we want to move to once we can. It just feels like a smaller version of Amsterdam, but way more friendly to all the different types of transport. Like, even though Amsterdam is one of the international havens for cycling friendly street design, when you're from a smaller city or town in the Netherlands, it still feels very car-centric and sometimes crammed. But Delft... Oh my, what a wonderful city that is. It has so much relevant historical places, it's pedestrian- and cycle-friendly, gives plenty of space to the car, but not too much and it's transit system is fine. It's a city shaped for a better future.

People who like loud engines have the maturity of children.

Having lived near a highly used street, Harley's were really by far the biggest nuissance. Not only their direct sound emissions are higher than anything (except for car horns), but also the induced low-frequency vibrations that are perceivable in the lower floors of nearby houses.

@jackrackham3406

2 жыл бұрын

Big agree; sportbikes are rarely the loudest vehicles, and there's a lot more Harley-riding boomers than squids modding their R6

@AWPtical800

2 жыл бұрын

My dad owns a Harley Road King with bunch of aftermarket upgrades, including a high-performance exhaust. Before my parents divorced and he moved out, he would push it a couple hundred feet down the road so as to not wake up the whole house when he started it in the morning.

@TurtleGamers1

2 жыл бұрын

@@AWPtical800 Chad dad :)

@rcrhinehart66

2 жыл бұрын

I used to live in Hawaii which was blissfully peaceful. They opened a huge Harley dealership and rental store in downtown Kailua-Kona which quickly destroyed any quality peace and quiet at all hours of day and night and ruined the entire island for me. Moved.

@rightwingsafetysquad9872

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackrackham3406 Sport bikes usually have valved exhausts such that they are very loud when you open the throttle all the way, but quiet when maintaining a constant speed.

I noticed myself getting stressed and anxious when doing the sound editing for this video, and my heart rate increased significantly. I had to take breaks every so often to chill out. Ugggh ... fuck everything about loud vehicles. They suck.

@assorium

2 жыл бұрын

+1. I did a recording once at 12 lanes road in Moscow and almost jumped off chair when I played the video at home in headphones.

@andrewouss

2 жыл бұрын

Does the Netherlands have teenagers who buy Honda civics and put extra-loud mufflers on them to make them sound like race cars? Or did you get to leave that particular brand of stupid back in Canada?

@NotJustBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Thankfully the souped-up cars are not a thing here. There are much stricter laws around vehicle noise in the Netherlands (even if we do still allow farting motorcycles).

@marco23p

2 жыл бұрын

@@NotJustBikes I disagree. Although illegal, there are even people who have those 'exploding' mufflers. Rotterdam even wants to install traffic camera's to comdat noisy vehicles: nos.nl/artikel/2382573-rotterdam-wil-flitspalen-voor-lawaaimakers-ontwikkelen

@Rimuru.Tempest

2 жыл бұрын

Wow njb swearing

I live in Barcelona and the sound of droning mopeds is a constant pain.

When the video ended and i took my headphones off, the road outside feels like it's louder. I have never heard any of these arguments before. Why does nobody seem to talk about this

@setyourhandlex

Жыл бұрын

Because people have really been convinced that cars grant levels of individual freedom that can't be met by anything else and the harm they cause to anyone who isn't in one is worth it.

When I stayed in Amsterdam a few years ago, the noisiest thing in the area was the bells at the Westerkerk. I'd trade car horns and revving engines for church bells any day.

@mr.banana2370

2 жыл бұрын

For me bells make things epic but if its in slow tempo

@TheKeystoneChannel

2 жыл бұрын

We may have a mosque now too that gives you the minaret every day, and thank God i live on the other side of Amsterdam

@cenci4913

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheKeystoneChannel minaret is the spire adhan is the call for prayet

"Manufacturers have lobbied against this because they're dicks" - Not Just Bikes 2021

@rcmrcm3370

2 жыл бұрын

Das kapital, Karl Marx

@purpurina5663

2 жыл бұрын

Where I live, some rich dudes get off on speeding their sports cars -between intersections and red lights that is. And in a city full of potholes. I think you have to be at an earlier stage of evolution or something in order to enjoy that. But you can't stop them, because freedom+money.

@onlycorner5565

2 жыл бұрын

@@purpurina5663 cant stop them because it takes integrity to tame an asshole

@breintje91

2 жыл бұрын

I generally agree with NJB, but this is a bit too pithy a take. Tyre design is a tradeoff between durability, efficiency, grip, and noise. All of these get better as the designs improve over time, but making tyres significantly quieter on short notice will come at the cost of more fine particulates, more CO2, or reduced safely, to some extent.

@Slimmeyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@breintje91 "the first to make these tyres more quiet while keeping the other properties the same gets a happy meal. Go!"

Unfortunately, the reason so many people drive into work, at least in many places in Canada, stems from unsustainably high housing prices and stagnant wages in major cities, so people need to live way outside of the cities where they work. There's no train/sub/etc infrastructure to get from outside the city to inside of it; it's just crappy roads. It sucks.

@basvanderwerff2725

Жыл бұрын

and that is cause of terrible zoning rules

Since my accident with permanent hearing over sensitivity as a result, quit times are so much more appreciated.

The secret to make a city more quiet are trees. My apartment here in germany is next to a big road and a tram track. In the summer the trees in front of my window are canceling the noises realy good. In the winter when the trees do not have leaves the noises are much louder.

@NotJustBikes

2 жыл бұрын

Trees make the street cooler in summer and more enjoyable to walk through, too!

@hesterclapp9717

2 жыл бұрын

As a cities skylines player who can't stop everyone speeding down the bus lane, this is the next best way to do it

@Frenziefrenz

2 жыл бұрын

It does help, but I can assure you that I don't care much for the small part of my commute cycling on the cycling expressway by the ring here in Antwerp. It's some 10-15 m from the car expressway and full of trees and shrubs. You can't see the road except at some overpasses where it's even noisier. Of course if there were no greenery it'd be extremely significantly less pleasant there, don't get me wrong.

@KrishnaDasLessons

2 жыл бұрын

@@hesterclapp9717 There is a mod which adds smaller streets into the game which actually reduce the speed limits. Also, you can adjust the speed limits using TPMC.

@zackaryrethati7627

2 жыл бұрын

They are! My house has a strip of trees in front and it's small, but decent at blocking out the occasional road noise. If you play cities skylines it works the same way, you can plant trees and grass in interchanges and around high-density commercial/industrial and it will stop your citizens from getting noise sickness (and increase the nearby land value).

"But [car] manufacturers have lobbied against this for years because they're dicks" got me good. I was absolutely expecting a detailed, thoughtful explanation of why manufacturers had been lobbying against low-noise tires, but I got an honest one instead.

@rcmrcm3370

2 жыл бұрын

Das Kapital, the dicks get all the capital.

@swapode

2 жыл бұрын

I can give a more detailed explanation. Car and tyre manufacturers argued that low noise tyres may be less grippy and thus less safe. That's obviously bullshit. First of all, the sound dampening happens inside the tyre not in the surface compound. But more importantly tyre manufacturers are willing to sell noise dampening tyres - for a premium of course. When this was pointed out, the argument went to "well, with our tech we may not be able to meet all mandated noise limits" - because the obvious solution for a not perfectly solvable problem is to do nothing at all. In other words: They're dicks.

@AdmiralBison

2 жыл бұрын

@@swapode That makes sense. When corporations are $$lobbying$$ it is usually about one thing. - To protect their bottom line.

@swapode

2 жыл бұрын

​@@aabb55777 A large portion of the noise has to travel through the inside of the tyre first where it could be caught with relative ease.

@malbibj2008

2 жыл бұрын

In some cases there are actually trade-offs between noise, energy consumption and grip. Mostly, however, no industry likes to be regulated so they inevitably resist regulations which does make them kind of dicks

cars make people evil. i cannot be convinced otherwise, being a pedestrian and having drivers speed past you, honk right as they pass, rev their engines etc - whether they intend to actively hurt you or not - it shows that people are so unnaturally apathetic when driving it makes me livid. god i fucking hate cars and i hate how their noisiness has been normalized

I really enjoyed this video. I find the noise of city traffic and noise pollutoin has a huge negative impact on my life, I lived in a rural area and experienced a big improvement in various symptoms (I have a medically diagnosed disability), and since living in a city again I find my stress levels are increased and I spend a large amount of my effort avoiding noises. I agree with many of your points and think they're all interesting. However, I'd like to highglight a problem with restricting cars other than disapointing people who enjoy making noise. I'd really love it and think it would be extremely valuable if you could explore this topic and incorporate it into your future work. The issue is accessibility for people with mobility issues. My city has some central area mostly pedestrianised, and due to this it's very difficult to get someone to pick you up from the city centre without walking 10-20 minutes to somewhere they're allowed to stop. A few people I know sometimes struggle to walk that far and need to get picked up when they're pushed themselves too far. Some people with mobility impairments have strategies that work for this, like using a wheelchair or scooter full time, but for those with medium mobility impairments it's challenging. I think my city could make public transport better and help some of these people (bus travel is free for people over a certain age and young people with mobility impairments), and currently our bus system is just rubbish and we have no subway or tram system, so it's necessary to walk 10-20 minutes before you can catch your bus, rather than catching the bus instead. But I'm not sure if it would completely solve it. If people need to transport heavy items to or from a built up area and have some physically difficulty carrinyg heavy items a long distance (disability or not), using a car makes it so much more practical. These are just some of the examples I can think of to explain my point, that restricting car access to areas of the city does have some legitimate disadvantages that need to be worked with. I'm new to your channel so haven't watched everything (yet). Looking forward to watching more.

Motorcycles really annoy me especially late at night when you're trying to relax in the evening or maybe even sleeping. Always get one of those farting ones making so much noise compared to literally everything else on the street.

@barrycarter7274

2 жыл бұрын

@@maknyc1539 the video debunks this claim during the 12:00 chapter about motorcycles

Another little fun fact that contributes to lower noise levels is that on many small streets they use cobblestones in the middle of the street. When a car drives over these cobbles it makes a lot of vibration noice inside the car, resulting in lower speed by the driver. But on the sides it is still asphalt, as that is most comfortable for the cyclist (so called 'fietsstraat')

This is one of the most eye-opening videos I've ever watched. I live in downtown Toronto and my parents who visit from the suburbs often complain about the noise. I've always assumed it was because there are more people here but I now realize how the car-dependent neighborhoods make the downtown worse by proxy. Ironic because my parents always tell me to move out to a nice single-detached house instead of living in a small condo 🙄

My town in France just remade it's a main avenue with porous asphalt. I live near this avenue, and now I can barely hear the traffic noise. This is just astonishing

The biggest argument against road noise control: enacting a policy with concrete goals for the public good might encourage citizens to demand more policies with concrete goals for the public good.

@mrmaniac3

2 жыл бұрын

Now that's just too much communism! Think of the poor Americans! (Am a poor American 😂)

@guy-sl3kr

2 жыл бұрын

But think about the profits of car manufacturers and oil magnates!!!

@FeedsNoSliesMusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@spydula1 But they need that profit so that they can afford to live a nice life in a nice place without the problems they could've just spent the money on solving where they already live.

@guy-sl3kr

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndrooUK Imagine taking literal _Nazis_ at their word lmao

@userequaltoNull

2 жыл бұрын

@@guy-sl3kr yeah. They did believe it was for the public good. They weren't just soulless demons, intent on nothing but inflicting suffering and furthering their own power. They were regular people, infected with a vile ideology. But the average Nazi truly believed that he was doing the right thing. That's why we can't simply enact every policy that we think would be in the interest of the "greater good". We have to have more solid and specific reasons for any restrictions. We need data, grounded predictions, but most importantly of all, the consent of the People. Now, for the matter in question, we probably have all three in most places in America, so it's probably irrelevant. Still, it's important to actually understand how and how not to run a society.

As a noise sensitive person, that quiet city sounds like heaven.

@milkdrinker117

2 жыл бұрын

I went to small village for my work. Back then i miss my home so much but now I'm really grateful for living here. It's so quiet i rarely experience insomnia like i used to in the city.

@ChrispyNut

2 жыл бұрын

Snap

@RwandaBob

2 жыл бұрын

“as a noise sensitive person” oh, so you mean a person?

@ChrispyNut

2 жыл бұрын

@@RwandaBob No, as with most such things there's a spectrum.

@theomcreich821

2 жыл бұрын

I used to live in a smaller city in the netherlands and it was remarkable how relaxed one feels, when you cant hear any noise around you on your evening commute. The only thing I heard was my own bicycle.

As a Dutch Native, it is a pleasure to hear it from someone not Dutch, I have lived in various coutries also, and it made me appreciate so much more what we have in the NL. Most Dutch people are not aware of this, and we tend to "klagen met gezonde benen" (look it up :P) Hope to have you, a fan of our country, here for a long time! Enjoy your time in the NL.

I definitely agree with the premise of this video, however, i was unfortunately living right next to a train terminal when COVID first started (with polluting diesel engines that would idle from 5am to 1am every day) which literally drove me insane 😭😭😭 I've since moved to Taipei, and scooter noise is definitely an issue here as well - really hoping the government can phase out gas scooters for electric ones because those are much quieter!

I live in Indonesia and we have incredibly noisy congested roads - would you consider doing a video for developing cities? I think it could be very interesting to see what some cities in poorer parts of the world are doing to make their cities better. Love your stuff!

@R3Cat

2 жыл бұрын

This stuff is only for the richest of the richest cities to be honest

@EonWhite

2 жыл бұрын

This is a great idea. I hope they’ll take your suggestion at some point.

@yoshidasaki17703

2 жыл бұрын

"incredibly noisy congested road" India: so.... Normal day road?

@Atriiid

2 жыл бұрын

​@@R3Cat I don't see how using bikes and trams instead of cars is something only the richest can do. Good city planning reduce the cost of living and the upkeep price for those in charge. This stuff is for all the people smart enough to want a better, more peaceful, quieter life. Cars are expensive, planning is not.

@shaungordon9737

2 жыл бұрын

@@R3Cat No, that's a myth. These things could help the poorest cities as well. And it would save them money.

People ride past my apartment and PURPOSELY rev their engines to be cool 😒 we need a significant cultural change

@AdmiralBison

2 жыл бұрын

What are they going to do when electric cars become standard? Roll down their windows and blast their music to get attention?

@xaviercopeland2789

2 жыл бұрын

@@AdmiralBison not but an electric car.

@jelatinosa

2 жыл бұрын

@@AdmiralBison they will probably install noise making contraptions on their cars so that they can be just as obnoxious reving their electric cars.

@thetaomega7816

2 жыл бұрын

@@jelatinosa in most countries this is actually a law that you are able to hear electric cars. Its aweful

@AdmiralBison

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetaomega7816 Or they can have cars drive slower speeds in built in areas and people learn to always look both ways when crossing roads. Unfortunately we have to admit most of us pedestrians are looking down at our smart phones. 1st world future problems.

Thank you for a very interesting bit of research. It is interesting that airport and overflight noise is seen as such a noxious and harmful element of modern life, but vehicular noise is just accepted.

@ChefofWar33

Жыл бұрын

Planes are infinitely louder and more annoying than cars.

@John.0z

Жыл бұрын

@@ChefofWar33 There are so many exceptions to both that it is not worth arguing about. Both are terrible. Although if I am traveling by public transport I have to be right next to the bus - or line of buses. I am not saying it is worse than a low overflight, but it is more frequent, and the diesel pollution is very much more in your face. Regrettably the brainless fool who does wheelspin burnouts around here every few weeks would still be annoying even if it was an electric car. If you know a cure for that mindset I would love to hear it.

@ChefofWar33

Жыл бұрын

@@John.0z There is. It's called move somewhere else if you don't like it. Like this genius.

The texture in the asphalt is calculated to improve the grip on the tire, whatever tire it is. Without this texture, when comes the cold weather and ice road can become really slippery. I presume the climate is more friendly in the Netherland. Of course it is nosier than the smooth asphalt you showed in the video but I agree, it is a wonderful idea where it can be applied. (If there is any grammar faults, my bad, french canadian trying my best)

I resent living in the car dependent USA. There is no reason why I should have to drive my kids to their mile away preschool except that it's nothing but stroad the way there. I still bike it, sometimes, but when it gets really hot (and the ride back is in full sun), or the smoke from wild fires is bad, or just the fact that cars really make me wonder if I'm going to get my kids killed, I don't bike nearly enough. I used to live in various places in Japan and it didn't matter, rural or urban. I never needed a car. I really miss that.

@mbdg6810

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I actually learned that the eastern US is more built to be less car dependent but it still sucks overall we can’t have quieter more efficient transportation outside of cities.

@georgplaz

2 жыл бұрын

we would love to welcome you in europe 😊

@jonoghue

2 жыл бұрын

@@mbdg6810 Most cities in the Eastern US predate cars. Doesn't stop the suburbs from being totally car-dependent though.

@joltjolt5060

2 жыл бұрын

But do you wonder if you're going to get jumped?

@kelly2631

2 жыл бұрын

@@joltjolt5060 People who raise that point also defend the second amendment with their life.

I like he also called out the tesla's people do act like its a holy car while it has many of the same negative facts as normal cars

@xxwookey

2 жыл бұрын

Almost all the same negative aspects in fact. They fix one thing: local exhaust emissions (OK, and help somewhat with noise pollution and general decarbonisation), but all the other problems of road danger, space inefficiency, car-storage, cost, congestion, resource consumption, ill health, particulate generation, noise-at-speed, and social disconnection remain.

@fugue137

2 жыл бұрын

@@xxwookey Crikey, who are you? I was about to say the same thing, almost word for word. I'll add the feedback loop of more cars making healthy/pleasant/efficient transportation more deadly/unpleasant/inconvenient and thus forcing more people into cars... I truly fear self-driving cars because anything that makes driving more convenient means more driving and more of all the consequences you name.

@Thefreakyfreek

2 жыл бұрын

At speed thay dont make les noise than normal cars

@thewoode1050

2 жыл бұрын

@@xxwookey They're in some aspects even worse than ICE cars, namely resource consumption and space required. They also help mask the demerits of cars by projecting a "clean" image

@xxwookey

2 жыл бұрын

@@thewoode1050 Not sure that EVs take up more space than ICE cars? What did you have in mind? And the resource consumption thing isn't really true either. ICE vehicle plus all the fuel it burns is a much higher resource consumption then EV plus resource for its electricity. I guess you mean 'just the vehicle, excluding fuel' but that's actually pretty misleading. (kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6OK1KuBk8femqQ.html is an amusing explanation of why)

Moped: When I was in Shanghai, I noticed they had really been pushing for electric mopeds and they were ubiquitous. They're so quiet that you need to always look behind you because you won't even hear them behind you. Electric mopeds would help a ton with reducing the noise

my tinnitus has honestly most likely developed from car noise - it started getting worse at highschool where I would wait for buses every day and have to listen to upclose highways for at least 30 mins per day. Anyway, my previous sharehouse was on and next to 2 extremely loud and busy roads. I could always hear the traffic in my room even when waking at 6am. And when trying to get to sleep (tinnitus is worse when lying horizontally) the noise of huge trucks passing by triggered my tinnitus (i have a few different variations of tinnitus but they would trigger the super uncomfortable type). It just made me so mad and Im so glad ive moved out of that place. You can still hear a faint highway noise at my new place but its a quiet street and heaven compared to the last place.

Never heard of quiet asphalt before, that's pretty neat! Wish it was used more.

@johanhalvarsson2148

2 жыл бұрын

I remember some 20 years ago about an experiment with ground up tyres fixed together to reduce noise levels but since it hasn't become reality yet I suppose it had problems in winter or something.

@MarcoTav18

2 жыл бұрын

I've never heard quiet asphalt, but some months ago I went on vacations to a small town with sand streets and we were all amazed at how silent cars suddenly felt when on sand. The rolling noise was almost gone. Obviously, I'm not saying we should have sand streets, but it did serve as a demonstration of how loud car tyres are.

@luk4s195

2 жыл бұрын

My hometown has a few streets and it's really weird having such quiet traffic. I also think it at least used to be more prone to aquaplaning than regualar asphalt and is probably still more expensive

@9SMTM6

2 жыл бұрын

Not so sure on that. Yeah, the noise reduction is nice, but while I don't know it for sure I'm quite certain that that asphalt uses quite a chemical cocktail to archive its properties. If used it should be on a very limited basis as he recommends in the video. In streets that gain greatly from faster speed but are in quiet zones.

@johanhalvarsson2148

2 жыл бұрын

@@9SMTM6 one quick google search led me to an asphalt magazine. Instead of a conventional dense graded asphalt, a mixture is formulated with more pathways to let air escape more easily between tires and its surface. Quiet asphalt pavement options fall into four general categories. These are fine-graded surfaces, open-graded friction courses, rubberized asphalt and stone-matrix asphalt. Fine-graded surfaces are conventional asphalt mixes that are mostly composed of fine-grained particles; reducing the apparent road noise generated by the expelled air by altering its frequencies. Open-graded friction courses (OGFC) are a porous mix; with more connected voids through which air and water can escape. Rubberized asphalt contain crumbs of recycled tires that provide some flexing in the road surface as tires pass over it, allowing the air a bit more time to be forced out at lower pressure. Stone-matrix asphalt mainly uses coarse aggregate to create a stone skeleton, tied together by asphalt binders and fibers. Each of these options come with different wear, climate resistance and cost considerations. No one solution fits all roads. So the ground up tyres seem to actually be in use but not like that old experiment had them.

The only place where Delft isn't quiet is the Mekelweg during morning rush hour. (Not during the pandemic) Thousands of students have to get to the TU so that creates a really big traffic jam. Oh did I forget to say those are all bikes?

@TheTryingDutchman

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine how big the traffic jam was if they where all in cars that take up about the square surface of 12 people on a bike..

@viccie211

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheTryingDutchman i dare not think about it

@zhuofanzhang9974

2 жыл бұрын

The same scene probably also happens in the mornings in Qinghua / Tsinghua University, one of the top 2 in China. Actually Beijing streets would be full of bikes back in the 80s, but it has changed a lot now.

Downloaded curbing traffic and will now listen to it during my morning commute….