"Unfortunately they started to talk" had me in tears lmao

I think there is literally like 12 people who are upset because of women, lesbians etc.. the rest of us are just frustrated for all of the same reasons you are, bad writing, bad characters and motivations, lore breaking material. We just get casted as bigots and misogynist because that’s the only way they know how to discredit our criticisms. We just want Star Wars to be fun and exciting again.

@LJtheSouthernVegan

2 күн бұрын

Agreed… @John Campa is right, movies should be the main focus moving forward.

@thehacker4012

2 күн бұрын

@rileylopez113 First, there are a lot more than just "12 people" who are upset about women, lesbians, etc. Second, not saying the show is perfect but what some consider bad writing and bad characters actually boils down to them not really paying attention. Third, just because someone isn't complaining about women and minorities doesn't automatically mean they are coming from a place of good faith. I think we have to be honest; The Acolyte is NOT being judged by the same standard because they are women and minorities as the leads. There is thing called unconscious bias where you can impose unfair bias without even realizing it. Not saying that everyone who doesn't like The Acolyte suffer from unconscious bias, but we can't pretend that unconscious bias isn't a thing.

@jamesmarquezdev

2 күн бұрын

I don’t know what to say if you don’t think ep 5 was fun and exciting for a SW fan. I don’t know how you’re defining that because ep 5 was nothing but fun and exciting. The highest level of fun and exciting that any of the live-action shows has produced. Writing and logic, that may be different, but fun and exciting? hmmm

@rileylopez7113

2 күн бұрын

@@jamesmarquezdev it’s not fun and exciting if I don’t care about the characters and where the story is going. All I saw were a bunch of monks swinging around glow sticks. It was cool but it meant nothing.

@rohegarcia2802

2 күн бұрын

@@rileylopez7113 You’re describing the prequels.

Remember when the showrunner said she wants to get writers onboard who never watched Star Wars?

@BluJae93

2 күн бұрын

They must not have found any because of dialogue still has not improved at all. If anything it got worse

@LJtheSouthernVegan

2 күн бұрын

@@negx3933 That’s a red flag!!

@Juan-tm8fk

2 күн бұрын

Remember when Andors director could give less of a shit about Star Wars?

@LostUtopiaFilms

Күн бұрын

@@Juan-tm8fkYep lol He only said he doesn’t care for Star Wars

@Ethan-jg8oh

23 сағат бұрын

They did it to have a different perspective for the story. The larger the size of the writers room the better for stuff like this

How this show have 83% critic rating? All the critics I watch hate it

@rohegarcia2802

2 күн бұрын

The people you watch aren’t critics, they’re KZread grifters.

@kylequest

2 күн бұрын

Because the critics rated it after watching the first two episodes. They are just too lazy to revisit and revise their ratings as more episodes come out.

@LJtheSouthernVegan

2 күн бұрын

@@kylequestGood point ✅

@Dru2037

2 күн бұрын

If you're still going by critic and audience ratings then you probably still believe in Santa Claus.

@PrimeTime__

2 күн бұрын

Paid ratings

I’m honestly checked out on Disney altogether at this point. Star Wars, mcu, Indiana jones, Willow. I can’t keep watching them water down and ruin all these amazing franchises. Disney just isn’t synonymous with great storytelling anymore.

My biggest complaint was that the sith took in 6 Jedi knights/masters at once with ease but struggled against a child padawon lol

@user-qg4de5yu6o

2 күн бұрын

Gayest STARWARS remember What did you expect

This made me realise why I have a problem with writing in this show. The main characters do not have clear, human motivations. All other characters have it, but not the heroines. I know what Sol wants: - he wants to save Mae and to achieve redemption for whatever he had done I know what Qimir wants: - he wants a new acolyte who would fulfill his trials I know what Venestra wants: - to contain the problem at hand, so that Jedi's political opponents won't have grounds to attack them But I do not know what the main heroines want: - Mae wants to kills the Jedi... until she wants to be freed from her master and be reunited with her sister... until she apparently goes back to her original plan of killing the Jedi, while leaving Osha behind on a Jungle planet, unconscious. I have to ask the question... is she insane? - Osha apparently wants revenge against her sister... until she does not want to get involved. She wants to stay away from the action, and her sister. So she does not really have any stakes in the story. Yet she tags along. At then she wants revenge at the sister again. So while our background characters have very good motivations, the motivations of our heroines are very vague and mercurial. Who would find characters like that attractive to follow?

@sdco7487

2 күн бұрын

Pretty good break down of it.

@crownsith

2 күн бұрын

@@mreszotnik Very apt analysis. Spot on. I am so turned off by the main plot so to speak that I didn't even realize that a couple of characters have better arcs. I do like Sol very much actually.

It's not that it is diverse, and it isn't that there are lesbians in the show. It's that these things are used as a shield for the bad writing that you and everyone has has an issue with, and anyone pointing out the bad writing is just attacked for bing sexist or a bigot.

I'm so tired of bad writers

@joeyclark4342

2 күн бұрын

Well when they hire based on a checklist and that checklist has nothing to do with talent this is what we get.

Qimir obviously knew it was Osha at the end.

No way Manny is a Sith Lord. I bet he's an apprentice looking to get his own apprentice to knock off his master.

My thing is this: Qimir should be the main antagonist and Sol the main protagonist. Seriously, why are the twins here? Why do they exist? In no way have I been interested in ANYTHING to do with the twins

@jasonbusch8475

3 күн бұрын

The show should bare bones be this: Sol is investigating a string of Jedi assassinations with qimir ultimately being revealed as the sith acolyte working for a sith lord. That is it. This show should be a detective/who done it thriller. Instead we are dicking around with witches. WHY!?

@therealeverton

3 күн бұрын

The use of and affect on children is kind of the point. Nothing works for everyone.

@andedom

2 күн бұрын

@@jasonbusch8475 I agree with you on that../

@sdco7487

2 күн бұрын

Carrie Anne Moss seemed cool for the 30 seconds she was in the show too, lol. Even Jeckie and Yord grew more interesting this episode. A show centered around Sol/Qimir with Carrie Anne Moss, Jeckie, Yord, and just make Osha a Jedi padawan too I guess would've been OK.

I took it as Mae completely changed what she was going to do. Once the Wookie Jedi was dead and her sister was there, everything changed. She didn't want to be handcuffed, since Osha was in danger from her "master" and people like her don't like help and think they are the only ones capable of saving who they love.

@aparke22

2 күн бұрын

Then she decided to infiltrate the Jedi order since she couldn't convince Osha that the Jedi were lying to her. Perhaps, she is infiltrating the Jedi to expose them and thus win back Osha's love.

A sith lord that can float, and easily fight a group Jedi, ranging from master to padawan, cannot do shit if a flashlight is stuck to his back. Force cannot touch it, lightsaber cannot touch it. It's invincible. Yord keeping his lightsaber on looks super lame. Osha and Mae's "Don't choose them, choose me." convo was super gringe.

Imagine if HBO made a star wars show. Won't happen, but just imagine for a moment.

@TylerStout35

2 күн бұрын

I just got really sad realizing that it won't happen...

@metowl15

2 күн бұрын

Andor felt like a HBO show, the potential is there but it seems Disney and LFL have other priorities for their shows/movies

Episodes 4 and 5 should've been one episode combined

@misterdarwin

2 күн бұрын

The whole bug thing was a set up and payoff that belonged within the same episode.

@stephenb.5304

2 күн бұрын

Combined it would have been right around 52 minutes without credits. Which is right around a HoD episode. No idea why they didn't just do that.

@davidstansbury9309

2 күн бұрын

​@stephenb.5304 cuz they'd only have 3 or 4 episodes. Cuz they don't have a real show. It's a stretched out movie. Episode 3 should have been a 10 or 15 minute flashback of a long movie. Maybe split into several parts over the 1st half of the movie.

@stephenb.5304

2 күн бұрын

@@davidstansbury9309 Honestly I would have no issue with 4 50+ minute episodes. Wouldn't be enough to save this show but it would be way more watchable

The lightsaber haircut is where they lost me

@Madame702

2 күн бұрын

Well sorry but reports now coming after episode 5, adults and their kids broke their lightsabers and started play in yard. You need to be that crazy old man yelling stop that "Stop that!" LOL🤣

@Skatebetter

Күн бұрын

@@Madame702 what? lol.

Yet he will be here next week reviewing episode 6.

This weeks episode was a big improvement. Some of the best lightsaber action since revenge of the sith. Plus a few WTF shout at the TV moments.

@BizznessBox

3 күн бұрын

The only WTF moments were not good moments. More like, wtf how did this get 180 million dollars?

I have no idea how we had very subpar writing in episodes 1 and 2, great writing in 3, mediocre writing in 4 and then bad in 5. I absolutely love the fight choreography, and the performances of Sol, Jecki and Mae/Osha are really good, but the writing is CW network bad. They still won’t say what Sol and the Jedi did to Osha, Mae tried to kill Jecki instead of surrendering like she said she was going to. And there’s no reason Sol shouldn’t have killed the Sith right then and there.

@robertgrier8943

3 күн бұрын

Seriously if they knew the scene was gone be that amazing. Why didn’t they make a better story ! This series needed more time to develop. To many characters and no development.

Episode 5 of "How to properly dislike the Acolyte tv show"

@Madame702

2 күн бұрын

Well we seeing reports of adults and their kids after seeing this episode playing in their lawns with their lightsabers. Hey maybe you can be the crazy old man yelling "get off lawn". LOL🤣

@pukeymcphistyJC

Күн бұрын

@Madame702 Not sure what your comment has to do with mine but a little FYI. That was happening before this last episode or even this series

Don’t forget Mae had the witch tattoo on her forehead. Where did that go????

@LostUtopiaFilms

Күн бұрын

Oh shit I forgot about that lmao

you are missing key things that happened, she did not know the master was on the planet, and once she saw him, her fear of him changed her plain,, just as her love of her sister changed her plain. I agree the writing is bad, but it was not out of nowhere. He said your sister being alive changed nothing and she replied it changes everything, which led to her wanting to turn herself in, but that changed once she said the Master had killed the Jedi and was there, she knew they were all dead. She knew if she turned herself into the jei or was captured the master would kill her, so no it was a matter of survival to not be captured. So like in life events alter your choices and what choices you will make are not set in stone, most of us would have made the pivots, that is what she did it actually makes more sense than you give it credit for. Just like I feel Sol will die or not return to the order, so the Jedi will never know this guy existed, leaving the cannon intact. I will agree this show is not good, but it is not as bad as everyone makes it, it is a 5 out of 10 so far at 50% it could get better or worse, but it is not as bad as John feels, but that said he has every right to feel as if it sucks and that fair, love it, hate it, or anywhere in between it all valid, but this is my take on it. The need to make these episodes long er and everyone hit harder there is no room for fillers in 8 30-minute episodes for a season, that is the biggest problem for me.

@user-pv9gb5op2e

2 күн бұрын

Watch HeelsVsBabyFace... And I mean every video critiquing each episode [especially episode 5]...and then ask yourself how does it make sense...You are clearly not thinking about plot...movement...and most importantly character development.

@k--music

2 күн бұрын

@@user-pv9gb5op2ewhy would you wish such suffering on a person good god Watch redlettermedia the og star wars haters if anything. Or better yet come up with your own opinions and stop downloading them from babies trapped in grown bodies

@k--music

2 күн бұрын

Idk man 5/10 is pretty bad. Action like this deserves a better story.

@Zatheris76

2 күн бұрын

@@k--music That I agree with I just don't agree that these are plot holes or problems what he pointed out, that said I agree the writing is bad and right now it's only a 5 out of 10 there's still three more episodes they might be able to get it to a six or seven and if they get it to a six the show is successful If they don't then the show was not successful if they get into a seven the show was good I don't see how anyway they could get it to it or a nine and a ten impossible. But I'll wait until it's done and then I'll judge it it's also possible the next three episodes could be like episode 3 or 4 and make it afford of 10 or 3 out of 10. I am not defending the show as being some great show I'm just saying that I don't think the problem is pointed out or the problems they're making out to be.

@Zatheris76

2 күн бұрын

@@user-pv9gb5op2e I literally just did explain it and it makes absolute sense. The reason why Mae change her opinion to turn herself into the Jedi was because now she knows her sister is alive and she stayed it so but then on the way to turn herself in she finds the Jedi wookie already dead and then as she continues she sees her master so she knows he is there and she is fairly confident he's going to kill everyone, therefore now she doesn't want to be taking him by the Jedi who she believes is going to be dead he wants to find her sister and try to save her sister which is exactly why she switches tactics again. The situations changed first she thought she was on the planet by herself with some goofy shopkeeper who she trapped she laid that trap specifically so she could then go turn herself into the Jedi and go off the end What changed that was the new information that her sister was now alive and that what she even told by her master and been doing was a lie. Then out of fear after she saw the Jedi working killed anti saw her master and knew the master was going to try to kill her which she did she did not want to be turned over the Jedi cuz she felt they were all going to be killed and they were except for one. She acted at a self-preservation and the only person she cared about at that point was her self and her sister which you tried to then convince her sister to choose her and come with her and when that didn't work the only other way for survival was to take her place. The reason why Sol You can stop to investigator is because she looked just like her wearing the exact same clothes and he had no reason to think that the sister would put the other sister in harm's way and take her clothes and they were running from a massive battle where every other good I had been murdered and his number will concern was getting them out of their safely so he didn't stop for safety protocols that he didn't think were necessary You guys are analyzing this from the outside not from in the heat of the moment You're like people watching a boxing match saying oh he should have ducked right there oh he should have blocked right there That's all easy to do when you're on the outside it's very different when you're in there fighting for your life. As for the master I think he's fully aware that they switched which is why he took her in all of a sudden after trying to kill her sister cuz now it's another try at another person he can try and corrupt and you that betrayal as a way to turn her to the dark side I don't think he's fooled in any way she perform that there was not a switch there. So for those reasons it all makes perfect sense to me why she acted in the way she acted why she pivoted the way she pivoted it why he did not take time to force check her when he's never done that before he's always just assumed she was who she said she was and why I don't think the other guy is fooled and thinks they've switched. Nor do I think he's actually a sit he said some may call me a sith I don't think he's actually a sith I think he's a rod Jedi which is why the one kid knew who he was and the Jedi Master could sense something familiar about him it's something to do with what happened at that temple he is probably trained by the witch. If you would play games or done Legends you would know what force battle meditation is he used the opposite of that which is called force confusion which is how he was able to take all those Jedi down by entering their minds and confusing them which normally would leave him vulnerable to people getting into his mind but he had that helmet on and he even stated so when he asked him to take the helmet off and he said why so you can get into my head so they are explaining abilities that people from Legends already are aware of or if you play the Old Republic game you're aware of. I'm in Norway saying it this show is great it's not but I understand what they're doing and I don't see those as being problems there are a list of other problems with the show and the writing is bad and cutting from seeing the scene was annoying having episodes that are under 30 minutes is ridiculous there's a lot more I could point at that's wrong but these things I understand exactly what was going on and exactly why she did what you did. Day of the day I'm going to wait until the whole show is over and then I'll see if they answered any of the plot holes or problems that people are seeing they're definitely some there If he's actually a sith and every Jedi there is not murdered before they get back to the council that's a plot hole but I don't know that that's going to happen. I still think the witches are going to have something to do with it and I think that green Jedi chick is evil and she'll probably end up killing Sol. Or something else will happen there's more to the story to watch, but if you don't like it your point is totally valid I just disagree with the points for their above mentions that I have detailedly explained why I think you did what you did and how it's totally believable to me but that's me You don't have to agree with me I'm not trying to convince you.

One thing that drives me nuts is that this girl is able to beat a jedi master but not a lil padwan ????

@jeffburroughs6304

2 күн бұрын

Very good pt!

@maegnuz

2 күн бұрын

The same lil padawan that can also go toe to toe with a Sith that just wiped the floor with six Jedi Knights.

@renesrelics

2 күн бұрын

IN her defense Jadkie is A BADASS.

@johncampea

2 күн бұрын

Mae never beat a Jedi. She lost to Trinity and was only able to kill her because she made her choose to save the bartender. Master Sol kicked her ass, and the quiet guy took poision. Mae can't beat anyone.

@Peterski

2 күн бұрын

@@johncampea The 'you must kill a Jedi without a weapon' thing might be misinterpreted. Maybe she's supposed to kill a jedi who's NOT ARMED - that's why she was reaching for Indara's and Sol's sabers ;)

lifelong starwars fan , and i only have one question , how do you f*** star wars up this bad?

He makes some valid points but going to ride it out. Only 3 episodes left.

I can’t wait till this shows over so I don’t have to hear about how much it sucks everywhere I go

In one scene, earlier in the episode, the Sith literally tells Sol that he won't remove his helmet because Sol will read his mind...Fine. Not TEN MINUTES LATER, are we really expected to believe that Sol, the telepath, can't tell that he's actually now with Mae and not Osha?!?😵‍💫

@Peterski

2 күн бұрын

He's not a telepath, he's a Force user. But I do agree with your point. Also, does the cortosis helmet work like Magneto's helmet, blocking mind reading?

@Parableman

2 күн бұрын

Not all the Jedi have the same strengths. We don't know if Sol actually has that ability (it's actually quite rare among Jedi), and neither did the dude saying it. But he didn't want to take any chances.

Regardless of why we dislike it at the end of the day we apparently are the problem because they served shit and get upset we dont like it.

Absolutely had it's issues.. but this episode was by far the best so far.. I'll def keep watching to see out the end of the story..

John may not want to hear this, but I’ll say it. Those people who he portrays as baby crying because “girls and gays” are, in actuality, saying that the only thing the show cares about is girls and gays. That is ALL the show wants to prioritize. Good story? Nope. Great characters and consistent motivations? Get out of here! But lesbian covens and girl power? Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Come on, John. Don’t miss the forest for the tree. These are not separate issues. They are the same issue. Proof? Who has complained about the lesbian girl power in Arcane? Literally no one of note.

@joshhunt4146

2 күн бұрын

But that’s not true… be honest if it wasn’t for the internet what part of the show would you say is pandering to gay people? And honestly I’m still trying to work that out

@nslater1388

2 күн бұрын

The showrunner explicitly said she wanted to write a story that would speak to queer people. That was, in her own words, her goal. And the themes are there, everywhere “the galaxy don’t accept women like us” “the Jedi say I’m not allowed to exist”, “we were persecuted because SOME would consider our power dark (different)”. All the messaging is there, and all of it at the cost of lore and character. Good writers can do both.

Manny's character knew it wasn't Mae at the end of the episode. It's very obvious.

It really is like CW Star Wars. That this was approved and passed any sort of quality control speaks volumes.

I don't care how bad it gets, I'm going down with the ship. I need to find out Master Sol's secret.

@andedom

2 күн бұрын

Agreed. In completely invested in spite of the corny dialogue and plot holes

@DirkHardpecc

2 күн бұрын

I’ll go ahead and tell you the secret, him and the other Jedi got in a conflict with the witches and killed them all. The fire was set by them during the battle and not by Mae. They manipulated Osha to believe what happened is what we saw in Episode 3.

@chrisretzlaff2895

2 күн бұрын

I with you, it could be good...the power of mannnyyy😂😂

@koyapol

2 күн бұрын

that was the only story im interested now and this was their first encounter. so im gonna make this a story between qimir and sol and that was episode 1.😂

@Loukoumakias

2 күн бұрын

​@@DirkHardpeccI mean sure but why did they do this? From Episode 3 I assumed the Jedi killed the witches but what did they see that made them so scared? Maybe they found Sith iconography in that temple?

Remember when she said she wanted to turn herself in, she didn’t know that Smilo Ren was there the whole time on that planet. Maybe she had a change of heart again after seeing him appear.

@Lol75a

2 күн бұрын

Only problem that the show is failing to show the viewer that

@hordakprime6172

2 күн бұрын

​@@Lol75aAlso kinda late to change her mind now that he wants her dead.

It felt like my intelligence was being insulted by this week's episode, like they were writing down to the audience or that they were writing for children. In fact, that may be Star Wars' main problem is that they are writing for children instead of adults, and that's why longtime SW fans are so disappointed. Star Wars is supposed to make us feel like kids again, not make us feel like it was written for kids.

@hoos3014

2 күн бұрын

George Lucas wrote Star Wars for 12 year olds.

@j.jennings1722

2 күн бұрын

@@hoos3014 and yet, no one thought it was a kids movie when it was first released. "Empire" certainly wasn't a kids movie, but when "Return" was released, I was disappointed with how hard Lucas went toward inserting kid stuff into the movie. I hated the Ewoks, at first, but now I tolerate them because the rest of the movie is so great. If the IP can't evolve into one for adults, I may be done with Star Wars for good.

@hoos3014

2 күн бұрын

@@j.jennings1722 People knew ANH was a kids movie when there was a monster in the trash compactor. In ESB, our Wookie mechanic screws C3PO's head on backwards. In ROTJ the master bounty hunter gets yeeted into the sarlac pit by a half blind Han Solo. Star Wars is great in its own right, but let's not pretend we're talking we're talking about the Godfather here.

@j.jennings1722

Күн бұрын

@@hoos3014 the trash compactor scene didn't feel that way at the time, on the big screen. Star Wars made adults feel like kids again. There weren't a bunch of kids going to the original Star Wars, when it was first released. It was mostly adults at the theater, along with teens who then returned 30 times to see the movie. Back then, kids watched Disney movies, and teens were wild AF.

The writing is terrible. The overall premise is good. Was expecting this series to be so much darker. Almost Andor level, given it was announced around the same time. My theory anyway is that he is trying to find an Acolyte to overthrow his master (rule of 2). Ultimately he kills Mae, Osha, and Sol, so they Council never learn that it was the Sith. His master finds out that he was trying to overthrow him and kills him in the final episode. Then we find out his master is Darth Plageuis.

@sdco7487

2 күн бұрын

That would actually be pretty cool if that's what happens.

You're not really talking about what actually happened, especially when The Stranger revealed himself. He did say "I have no name. A Jedi like you might call me Sith." I don't see what was bro about that and we can't be totally sure what's going on with him yet. Similar thoughts with Mae. She only changed her mind because she found out Osha was alive. The twins had different outfits on; after that battle he might have been glad to have Osha back. That's not that crazy either. Not perfect but not crazy. This kind of feels like the rest of the bro "cuz writing" takes all over the net. This show is twisting and turning episode to episode. We can't say for sure what happened until the story plays out.

@CodingPhase

18 сағат бұрын

bro the show is garbaaaaageeee stop making excuses for it... if we weren't fans of star wars we wouldnt even watch this garbageee we are forced to watch it to see it's good.

@taylormadealpha

11 сағат бұрын

@@CodingPhase seeing things the way I'm seeing them are excuses and your way of seeing things is the right way. Sounds like you think you know what you're talking about. All I saw from you is "show garbage...attack me....then more nothing". You didn't even have depth enough to make excuses for why you think it's garbage. What your saying isn't enough. It's an option and a losing tactic, nothing more. At least Campea here has coherent reasons why he's saying what he's saying. I don't see it that way but, I'll be the first to admit that with this show, a call can't be made until everything plays out. Best one can do is say yes or no they're enjoying the journey so far. Anything more you think yourself omnipotent or gave some inside knowledge to how all the different mysteries will play out. If I were a betting man, you have none of those things. Just try to pummel people with the word "garbage" and oh "bad writing just cuz" without an explanation.

@emmanuelsanchez1683

58 секунд бұрын

​@@taylormadealphawell said. I for one am enjoying the acolyte and I wish to see how it plays out till the end before I make a final verdict on it.

The witches ascension ceremony literally marked her!! They showed us the mark!! Does she not know she was marked? Does Sol not know she was marked? They were both at the ceremony!!! AHHH!

The mother coming back and being the sith would’ve been much worse.

@jayhartRIC

2 күн бұрын

They let him off with a warning 😂

Disney Star Wars has been dead to me long before this . I don’t think they can ever get me back.

@DonGivani

2 күн бұрын

😂 bye bye

I can't believe the Stoner from the Good Place is the Sith Lord. Darth Bong

The action was cool, but this is definitely hyperbole. If I’m calling anything “top notch” or “absolutely amazing,” to me that’s saying it’s like top 10 or 20 of something EVER. No one, and I’m sure even John if we visited the Campea Classroom and he did a ranking list, would truly have the combat here that high up compared to everything he’s seen. Not saying it’s bad, but it’s not Kill Bill.

@JamesEvans2023

Күн бұрын

you can't compare sword fights to light saber fights. One exists, one doesn't.

It was very unlucky that the twin episodes for HOTD and Acolyte happened in the same week. HOTD just did it so much better.

I dont care here good the action is when the writing is this bad lmao. Wtf were they thinking.

I do hear a lot of what you’re saying, but I think you did take one thing wrong. The way I saw it, Qimir was aware it Osha and not Mae at the end. But he wants her to be his new Acolyte. That was setup earlier in the episode. And the way he’ll turn her is by revealing what really happened with the Jedi before/during that fire. Because THAT’S the actual big mystery from this show. Not who’s killing Jedi or who’s the Sith. Just “WTF happened back then?” I keep going into new episodes thinking: “Oh, I hope this one wins them [you and Harloff] over.” So every time I hear the reactions, it saddens me. Interesting, though, how Alex (Star Wars Explained) said it was his favourite episode and he’s liked every episode better than the last. I guess we all look for different things.

I was actually glad one of the mother's was not the Sith Lord. I thought that would've been too obvious but I guess I might be alone in thinking that 🤷‍♂

The moment Mae's master shows up, I think she lost all faith that the Jedi were going to be able to save her. She was right to try to get TF outta there.

PLUS MAE HAS A WITCH TATTOO ON HER FOREHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

But John, the dialog is very similar to what you get out of Dave Filoni in his animated series Rebels or Clone Wars. Think what has happen is that they have not made the transition from animation which is a kids show to live action which more for adults.

They made the Squid Game guy look like a dumbest Jedi ever in the end of this episode. 🤣

Pretty sure once her master arrived, all of mae's plans went out the window and she just wanted to get out of there lmao

I agreed with the majority John.. but I 100% believe Master Sol knows that it wasn’t Osha!

Was rewatching the Bad Batch Season 2, episode 12, The Outpost before Acolyte. Miles above and not dumbed down at all. Highly recommend!!

Your first mistake was being excited about anything Star Wars.

When 2 of the main characters are killed within 30 seconds, and you feel nothing, that's bad character development. Everyone on the show is a 1 note, 1 dimensional 1st draft. The only one with any complexity is Mae, and she is insane with the flip floppery. Duh. Mae will end up the Jedi and Osha finds out what they did (maybe we will find out too, in season 12,) and becomes the new Acolyte. Lazy.

and to the switch, SOl was fleeing a death battle so he was moving fast and had no idea the sister would pull that and abandon her, also I think the Master was 100% aware that was Osia and not Mae. Once failed to turn so he tried again, kinda like Vader said if Luke will not turn perhaps she will. You are assuming answers to questions they have not answered and the show is not over, many things might make more sense in the end. He used Force confusion similar to the witches while blocking out the Jedi to his mind with the helmet. Much like Battel Meditation left the used vulnerable. he said some might call ema a Sith, he did not say he was Sith, he said he wanted to be left alone to use his power how he wanted with fear of the Jedi, that is not Sith, that is Soemthels. Darth Plaguis or Darth Tenbrith has to be around, he kills anyone that sees his face so the Sith or Jedi won't come after him, I do not think he ends up being a Sith or even the main Villain, The green Jedi is screaming villain. There is nothing this show can do to be a 10 out of 10 but it can be a 6 or 7 out of 10 if it ends strong, but many of the things you do not like I don't think are what you saying they are. I agree with you a lot, but here I think you made about things that are not what you are stating they are, but again if you do not like the show for whatever your reasons, that is always valid, I just don't agree and these are my reasons why. I do think you need to watch the full session before you judge it as things might become clear with you having the full story or re-watching to see if some of the complaints are not what happened once you see it thur other people's eyes.

@FrankieD8283

2 күн бұрын

Wow I agree 100% these were basically some of my same thoughts.

What a massive disappointment this series has been. Unfortunately, I’m checking out as well.

@m2nal

3 күн бұрын

Bye

@jred201

3 күн бұрын

I feel ya. I tried. It's so badly written and directed. Can't defend it.

@isaacsantana6560

3 күн бұрын

Hell no I love the show keep good work Disney

@Jay-jb2vr

3 күн бұрын

The Acolyte was a lost cause

@VenomSlash108

3 күн бұрын

@@jred201what?? The fight scenes are cool though

Episode 6 will tell me if Sol knows if Mei switched with osha, I think Mei master knows Mei switched with osha

John is lying! Like he won’t watch the rest of it even though he does not want talk about it anymore😂🤣😂

The power of one… The power of two… The power of Mannnnnnny…Jacinto.

Why do Jedi not get their lightsabers out in the knife fight? Trinity could have ended this show right away. Obi Wan didnt fuck around in the Cantina. Mace Windu decapitated Jango Fett with a blaster.

@CVal012

2 күн бұрын

Bad writing....

The "Mothers" Reveal is just as contrived as this reveal. The best option would be it's someone completely new, who used this moment of darkness to strike at the Jedi.

That’s hilarious, after watching the episode I said “there are those who call me… Sith?” 😂

@Peterski

2 күн бұрын

it would be really funny if it turns out his name is Sith. He didn't say "a Sith" - he said "Sith". ;)

The twist will be somehow Palpatine is his Master

@thunderpoptv

3 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@afanofpeanuts7381

3 күн бұрын

Stop

@SubterrelProspector

3 күн бұрын

Too early.

I’ve watched a lot of content about this show, honestly the content has been way more entertaining than what I’ve watched of the show. I’ve heard a lot more commentary on the low quality of the story, characters, and production than the social issues that the shows creator pretty much stirred up. A lot of other creators are saying the same thing that John is saying, but when John says “girls, gay people, lesbians…” it just sounds like he’s trying to elevate himself over other legitimate content creators. Most reviewers are saying the same thing. The show is just bad.

"Unfortunately... They started to talk!" 😂🤣

"Unfortunately, they started to talk" hahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAAAAAHAAAA! Oh John! Ahhh. Whew. Perfect.

Sooooo...... When is Andor season 2 out? 😅

I was prepared to disagree with you but you made a lot of solid points. Honestly Qimir and Sol are the only reason I'm watching and I heard someone say it should be about them and I agree because they are the only interesting characters.

Manny knows its Osha and not Mae. John missed this. The tattoo. The fact he said people are remarkable.

Also the scene when Sol doesn't kill unarmed Qimir, after already killing 5+ jedi...

Checked out after ep 1, I usually give shows more time but it had never been more apparent that a show wasn’t made for me. The problem with that is I love just about anything Star Wars and have for 3 decades, so who the fuck is this show for? A small sub-sect of Twitter??

Unfortunately I have to disagree with John about the combat. I thought the blocking and composition of the scenes was really poorly done. It was mostly in the dark, the setting was bland and boring and there are many scenes where you can barely see what was going on. Yes, there are some excellent 'moments' such as the Dafne Keen dual wielding. Aldo, action is important not just for action's sake, but as a storytelling process, and unfortunately, given the fact that we do not care about any of these characters, reveals and deaths have little to no impact!

John, I think Sol knows that Mae is pretending to be Osha. Because he hesitated in a way that looks like he knows when he saw her. I just think he's playing along for the time being and we'll find out in the next episode that he knew all along.

Seeing Qimir as the master isn't some intended twist. There is no alternative presented and he's introduced early with heavy foreshadowing. Minus the flashback episode the time of reveal between us learning of a master and his helmet coming off is like an hour of content? That being said, merely knowing that his face is under the mask doesn't give us any real insight into who he is. We can assume he's affiliated with the mother but I'm interested in seeing more into what is driving his personal motivations.

I agree with John on one of his points is to take Star Wars into the future. Like way into the future so that writers can have freedoms to not be connected to Star Wars canon. Start fresh. This universe has to be bigger than a Skywalker story, Rey story or prequels.

@jrad410

3 күн бұрын

Star wars has little ambition. Sadly the poor reception to this show may spook them

I would rather have bad Star Wars than no Star Wars - so I'm gonna watch it until the end

Even in the Clone Wars series, Yoda said that each clone was a different entity in the Force. So the Jedi would have been able to sense that Osha and her twin were two different people. The Twin Swap thing shouldn't fool a Jedi.

@sdco7487

2 күн бұрын

Shouldn't Anakin have been able to sense Padme was pregnant with twins?

I’m feeling the Prequel effect creeping on me. After watching Ashoka, Obi Wan Kenobi, Acolyte (what we have seen so far) and Mandalorian season 3 I rewatched The Book of Boba Fett and there is more Star Wars in that show than any of its predecessors (Sand monster scene, train scene, cute kitchen scene, Rancor scene, slave one scene, chase through the city scene etc) BOBF is a fun watch.

@Everestyilim-hf8ph

2 күн бұрын

Yeah, take away those Power Rangers on hover scooters. Plus, as long as Boba keeps the helmet on. Book of Boba Fett isn't that awful. "I am Boba Fett" and "Like a bantha" are still cringe.

Qimir knows it’s Osha bc of the mech nic arm tattoo

The lightsaber choreography was the best I’ve seen from star wars. If they stick with the action then it’ll at least be entertaining. Everything else is bad. I was upset that I knew who the with was by the start of episode 4 but I like the actor.

The reveal meant nothing because it unmasked a nothing character people already dislike and don't care about. The only impactful unmasking would be Carrie Ann Moss's character. It would mean Jedi betrayal, witch infiltration of Jedi, and a clever fake death plot. A much-needed holy sht moment that Disney SW is sorely lacking.

@datguy3581

3 күн бұрын

That would actually be cool. Carrie Anne Moss could be a cool Sith.

@hollywood25

2 күн бұрын

I agree. I don't even think it's a bad character or anything like that but they make it out like it's some big moment and nobody other than Mae knows him. I'm guessing he has a past with Sol somehow but the reveal was not earned.

A couple of good lightsaber fights don't negate the bad storytelling in the first 4 episodes. Will it return to that dribble next week?

The people bringing up girl bosses, lesbians, and other progressive elements are not simply blaming the poor quality of the show on them. They are highlighting these as evidence that hiring, casting, and writing decisions are not being made based on merit but rather for an agenda, and the quality of the show is suffering as a result. They are criticizing the writing just as much.

@HeyDuffy459

2 күн бұрын

John’s point, and he is correct, is that the show isn’t suffering because of its “progressive elements.” It’s suffering because of bad writing. Andor had many of the same “progressive elements,” but it was superbly written and directed, so no serious person was whining about the “agenda.”

I don't think Qimir is the master. I think he is the apprentice, that's why he is looking for an acolyte( as he says), not an apprentice. I also believe he knew it was not Mae at the end, Other than the obvious tattoo, I think his plan is to recruit Osha by telling her what the Jedi did. Sol might know about it being Mae and leading her on.

@oldschoolny

2 күн бұрын

Yes, they both know

I know I'm not feeling it when two main characters die and i don't really care, not even a sniffle let alone a tear.

I thought John was drunk then realized my video was at 0.75 speed lmao

Goddamn if I didn’t watch HotD before watching this I would’ve been super pissed at that spoiler

@WLDB

2 күн бұрын

It's the internet. Once it airs it's fair game.

@MikeDold

2 күн бұрын

@@WLDB nah it’s simple respect, the episode just aired a few days ago and this is a video on a different topic and so that came out of nowhere. Jonathan could’ve easily made the same point without spoiling another show, it’s a simple matter of respect.

I don't get everyone talking up the action and choreography on this episode. It was edited so poorly that you rarely could get a clear sense of what was going on (I wholly disagree with John on that) however well it might have been choreographed, or it was obscured in a way that you couldn't see what was going on (when Osha is watching the fight through the trees). The cortosis reveal was confusing as a result--the first time through, I couldn't see what was going on with their lightsabers.

@Peterski

2 күн бұрын

There were some really cool moves (like the Sith skewering two jedis), but I agree, the overall editing was meh. Plus the plot amour inconsistencies - dispatching several knights with ease but struggling with a padawan. I do give them credit for killing the padawan and the dimwit jedi though, did not expect that. Although Jackie was just stabbed with a lightsaber, so she might be fine next week.

I haven't watched the show, but I do miss the days when it was "you blow up my planet, I blow up your base, also that's your dad."

Don't be done. We need you the most when the show is at his lowest. Criticism is needed.

Not gonna lie. If the sith was one of the mums that would've been way more lame. Don't know how to explain that. But I'd rather it was manny

@Peterski

2 күн бұрын

Oh, don't write it off yet. Qumir probably didn't train himself...

"I’m Done" I'm getting there myself with the people talking about it.

Honestly, I just feel like they should've adapted the Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon story for this.

Did you ever think that their focus is too much on gays, forced female characters, and political agendas and therefore the writing has been sacrificed? This is what people are talking about when bringing up this awful show. You can have a diverse cast and be successful. Rogue One was great and couldn’t be more diverse. Simply give a story that makes sense and respects what came before it and it’s crazy how something diverse can be actually good. It’s just so obvious what the true focus was for this show when you have heard anything from the show runner, writers, and cast. That is the point you are missing from other people bashing this show. House of the Dragon is another diverse show that has strong women as the main focus of the show. What is your explanation of that?

All you have to do is check their foreheads…

There's people on the right who will complain about lesbians and women starring in their favourite shows but I think that's a huge minority of them. For people on the left like John I think it's a cop out to prefix every critisism of this show (or any which has clear terrible writing) with "for those who hate lesbians and the gaaayysss". It's poor man

@Madame702

2 күн бұрын

You think they would be happy they killed off Padawan Jecki, and all the Lesbian space witches.

@319badhass

2 күн бұрын

@@Madame702 I don't think you understood this comment you replied to

@aaronknautz7364

2 күн бұрын

Word. So, what do you like about the show?

@319badhass

2 күн бұрын

@@aaronknautz7364 I thought light saber fights were good, costumes good, most cg good.

I do have to agree with John. It was very nice touch adding the cortosis armor in the mix to the lightsaber fighting.

John Campea: Then I saw episode 8 and I said to myself i had just watched the whole season 😱 This video in a nutshell 🤣