For machines like the C64, much of what you see is programmed via LUTs (Look-Up Tables). The 6502 didn't have any floating point instructions, so how did we calculate sines and cosines to animate rotating stuff? We used LUTs. And because modulo 360 operations (which are needed to calculate the table index) are equally expensive, we didn't use 360 degrees for a whole circle, but (for example) 256 degrees. Modulo 256 on a 6502 doesn't cost anything. Lots of clever stuff was done on these limited architectures. Modern programmers have (mostly) forgotten about what can be done with very little.

Imagine just rolling onto the scene in 83 with this and being like "Yeah I threw this together this weekend, no big deal."

The demos are of course mind blowing but the tunes themselves are amazing by themselves. Edge of Disgrace got me bopping my head like I'm in a nightclub.

Next Level by Performers would get TOP2 in this selection, but this was a 2023 release

These demos are even more mind-blowing when you can experience them in their full 50 FPS smoothness instead of KZread scaling them down to 30 FPS and making everything jerky.

@ArneChristianRosenfeldt

2 жыл бұрын

KZread can do every framerate just like avi and mov and gif and mp4

@SChristianCollins

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArneChristianRosenfeldt Aah, good to know. So basically more people posting C64 content should be rendering/uploading in 50 FPS to get the full effect.

Imagine if this stuff was running on the c64 in computer shops back in 1982.

@Blackadder75

2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is, in 1982 even the designers of the C64 would not think that some of this stuff was possible on the machine they designed. Because it took thousands of coders a good 20 years to discover all the possibilities of the mighty C64

@MonkeyForNothing

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blackadder75 That’s right, at some point savvy coders even started using known bugs in the hardware as features too, this of course took some years to fully ”map out” all the bugs in all the chips and how they affect stuff or how it could be exploited for new things. Stuff like that is impossible for engineers to know from the beginning.

Thanks. I watch these instead of movies, shows, news, anything with talking. Not my favourite things to partake in for pleasant stimulation. This is peaceful and artistic and pleasant. Thank you again. Peace

There is just something really special about the sid chip..love the sound. These demos are mindblowing. The c64 was an amazing computer thats for sure. I have atleast 5 c64s and also bought the c64 ultimate wich is a brand new motherboard with the c64 on a chip (FPGA)its designed to fit into a c64 case. Wasn't cheap bit worth every cent to me. I also love trouble shooting and repairing c64s... unless i cant hehe

This demos are just mind blowing,they even put many genesis & snes games into shame.

Great...great Grafix ... and absolutely fantastic sounding! Dithering-Technics for more Colour-Gradation from One Color! by 38:00! Great "Zoomerengine" at 40:10! Great Implemetation at 41:40 (T800 Girl) And more and more....... Also artistc & design is exzellent! Good Work you holy proggers!

Unfortunately these are not truly impressive to people who don't understand the inherent limitations of the hardware in question. But to us C64 nerds, we get it and appreciate the amazing skill that went into creating them. I remember showing my mom a stupifying demo for the Amiga (can't remember which one it was), but there I was with a huge smile on my face (after I picked my jaw up off the floor) and my mom watched patiently to the end, then said, "Oh, that's nice. Did you want chicken or hamburgers for dinner?" Ideally these are to be experienced at Demo Parties, live. But I live in America and they are almost always held in the eastern hemisphere, such as Hungary, Denmark, Germany, etc. :( You _can_ find KZread videos recorded at these parties though. For example, here's the first demo on the video above, shown live for the first time (it won first place): kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZqfpbBwdK7TgdY.html

@cybernit3

Жыл бұрын

Ya, I am amazed what the c64 can do; it is like almost Amiga level. For the c64 those filled Vector objects are something, good coding there. I had my C64 we back in late 80s, but went Amiga in 1990.

@JustWasted3HoursHere

Жыл бұрын

@@cybernit3 Hard to believe coders are still finding new things to do on the 40 year old C64. Heck, there are homebrews of Donkey Kong, Pac-Man and Mappy for the Atari 2600 that are next level: - Donkey Kong: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kY1q2MqFdLGZlKw.html - Pac-Man: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fql7tamhhLCXirA.html - Mappy: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qWFs2rB-j67UqJs.html

@8BitNaptime

Жыл бұрын

So what did you pick for dinner?

@JustWasted3HoursHere

Жыл бұрын

@@8BitNaptime LOL! It's been 30 years so I'd have to ask my mom if she remembers... (I probably chose hamburgers though).

@JustWasted3HoursHere

10 ай бұрын

@@raptorix Very cool. My mom wasn't wired for that sort of thing, but she can play the piano, which _I'M_ not wired for, so we're even!

The C-64 was my first computer, I can't believe people are still writing great demos for it, I loved playing flight sim at 5 fps.

You should have a look at the latest batch from X'23. Mind blown.

As advertised... Simply the best demo's I've seen..... 8 bit and 64K of RAM, with only 38911 bytes free with MS BASIC loaded.... this is impressive as heck!

Makes me feel like back in the days, but just on another level 🥰 very much appreciated 👍 thank you!

Thanks for posting MM - Mad to think the hardware they're running on!

simply speechless! Fantasmolytic sound is more than impossible! thank you

1200+ views !!!!!! well done mate, good selection of demos also - keep up the good work

Really Great Demos! Had not seen these before

@mamemeister

2 жыл бұрын

Try and watch them on either a real C64 or emulator as they look even better.

Yup, impressive stuff!

Awesome stuff.

Edge of Disgrace must be one of my favorites. I really expected to have

Please add timestamps to your description so KZread will add chapters to your video: 1:52 Comaland (2015) by Censor Design & Oxyron 18:27 Coma Light (2012) by Oxyron 30:28 Edge of Disgrace (2008) by Booze Design 45:09 Fantasmolytic (2015) by Censore Design & Oxyron 55:30 Incoherent Nightmare (2016) by Arsenic

@ArneChristianRosenfeldt

2 жыл бұрын

Use links to individual uploads for voting

@Rob_III

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArneChristianRosenfeldt It's not about upvoting, it's about being able to skip to the beginning of each demo without having to scrub an hour of video. When these timestamps are added in the description, KZread will create chapters you can skip directly to.

@ArneChristianRosenfeldt

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rob_III I just mean that playlists offer this + the voting. Now there is this clipping feature, but why do I have to manually and precisely hit the seams to clip if I could just drag'n'drop a playlist? Did I miss commentary? I just now notice black bars around the video (while I am not in full screen). I think the original uploads did not do that.

@Rob_III

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArneChristianRosenfeldt This video is... this video? What do playlists have to do with it? That would require 5 new uploads. And, yes, that is certainly an option. Another option is to just copy/paste the timestamps from my comment to the video's description. You don't HAVE to click "manually and precisely [to] hit the seams". But if you DO wish to skip to the next demo you and you don't mind you CAN. And if you DO wish to skip to the next demo you and you DO mind then you can always click the timestamps in the video's description as an alternative. I really don't see the problem here.

@ArneChristianRosenfeldt

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rob_III All those demos have been uploaded at least two times before ( emulator and real hardware ). I am not writing about your specific comment. I write about people who use content from others in their video. Those people avoid playlists to hide the work of other people, or to hide firsts. With idiotsInCars a lot of dashcam owners don't want their account to be associated with the video. But as I said, C64 demos have all been uploaded before. The worst offender is some guy who copies videos and photos from engine builders and talks about it, but only nonsense.

Nice compilation!... I made some gfx for two of these! ;-D

@mamemeister

6 ай бұрын

Ah that's all kinds of awesome, thanks for doing what you do!!

👌🏻

i cant get any of this to run on on my bread bin 64.. :(

@crouchypony

2 жыл бұрын

Your not using the SD2iec are you? If so get a pi1541

@webmaster4375

Жыл бұрын

Pi1541 is the way to run all those great demos on real hardware. On real hardware and crt it looks even better than on KZread

@LaepsynPaepsyn

Жыл бұрын

Are you talking about this YT video or the actual demos? ;) Bad jokes aside, the Ultimate II+ cart is also a great solution, also for use with real CMD disk drives.

64 kilobytes of ram = 64 thousand bytes. 8 bits = 1 byte. 1 byte is how much space a typed character requires. 64k ram is enough memory to remember about 8k typed characters? Kewl

@LaepsynPaepsyn

Жыл бұрын

1 byte = 1 character. 64 kilobytes of ram = 64k characters :) But all of that ram is not automatically at your disposal - the architecture is slightly different from modern ones ;)

when start the game ?

Mind-blowing? How about childish AND primitive! NOT mind-blowing that's just the useless coders bragging!

@mamemeister

Жыл бұрын

I assume you realise these are running on 40+ year old 8 bit computer? You might not enjoy the content but it's impossible to not be impressed with what these guys have achieved.

@donaldhoot7741

Жыл бұрын

@@mamemeister Oh! Ahem-kaff-kaff I have been schooled! LOL at you.

These demos knock my socks off every time. Where would Commodore be today if these demos had existed back then?

@fabulousfab282

Жыл бұрын

At the time there were incredible demos which also slowed down the sale of the Amiga 500. The C64 is one, if not the most sold machine in the world. Commodore disappeared because of something else.

@ralfjung4156

Жыл бұрын

@@fabulousfab282 Commodore disappeared because of bad developments like the Amiga CDTV, Amiga CD32, and so on. If these devices hadn't been developed, Commodore would probably still be around today. Finally, for the Amiga, for example, there were ready-made AAA mainboards that were supposed to introduce a new standard, or the C65, of which there are unfortunately only a few prototypes that never officially went on sale, like the AAA boards. With the C65, Commodore feared that the C64 would have been pushed out of the market.

@fabulousfab282

Жыл бұрын

@@ralfjung4156 I am convinced that Commodore should have put aside the hardware and kept only the software, the workbench was excellent and far ahead of Windows. Accept hardware clones and sell the software. It's translated with google translate

Stop waffling and get on with It

@mamemeister

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for wasting 12 seconds of your life.