It doesn't get any better than this, does it?

@Gameboygenius

9 ай бұрын

And yet every year the scene delivers something better. It's really amazing what the C64 can still do.

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

@@Gameboygenius correct :)

@willproctor7301

5 ай бұрын

@@Gameboygenius No shit, that sid was 100% on point. Bravo

I'd love to see a "the making off" documentary. You know show how these demoes are being put together. The sketches the brainstorming the drawing if graphics the testing etc etc

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

a good idea, maybe one day.... who knows...

@punkt_stef

8 ай бұрын

the 8bit guy did a panel on some convention talking about oldskool demoscene. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dJicl6twdpTVfdY.html

@RichardM-kv4uu

7 ай бұрын

I can't imagine how long it took to program all those game snippets, it would have been trivial to make a video of those old games but to do it in a C64 demo is insane!

@Stabby666

6 ай бұрын

There is one for Future Crew, at the time they released Second Reality which was the best PC demo of the time. There's also one on the group Conspiracy, who made some awesome 64K demos like Chaos Theory, and a bunch of competition invites.

If this demo were to be presented in the mid of 1980s, no one would buy any personal computer but c64. This demo is insanely amazing.

Just fantastic!! The Artwork, the music! Cheers to all the people who put this together!

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

\o/

What a HUGE slap in the face ! My favourite C64 demo so far. Some screens are downright unbelievable 😵‍💫

This is the culmination of 40 years of learning what this brick can do, that montage of old games was just astonishing!

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

\o/

@StCreed

7 ай бұрын

I agree. I played most of them. Went back down memory lane hard :)

My lord. How did they get so much stuff in one demo. I'm amazed!

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

🥰👍😀

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

@youtubewantstosilenceme8905 "only" 4 disc sides :)

How? How can so many games be crammed in and instantly shown like they have? How does that work. Would really LOVE a documentry on this for those that love this. An original C64 owner of the day that is truly amazed at what I'm seeing here.

@Papierzeit

8 ай бұрын

\o/ who knows, maybe one day there will be a documentary about it....

@larswadefalk6423

8 ай бұрын

I am pretty sure I figured it out. They have probably recorded a range of the vice vsf format (snapshot). Then decoded each frame into a new compact format. Keeping only character data that exists over the frames, and also only storing the deltas (changes) between each frame. The same with the sprites. That way only initial character/color ram and their subsequent deltas and sprite data/movement deltas need to be recorded and replayed. Notice none of the screens scroll or have multiplexed sprites (would have been to much data). The sid chip register delta values can also be stored for each frame. It is however still an enormous feat. and a lot of work. Although, once having the tool for decoding and reformatting the data and the player, it is mostly a matter of recording games at moments of mostly sprite movement (and to some limited extent character data/color ram changes)

@vegaspool188

8 ай бұрын

@@larswadefalk6423 thanks for the response. I figured this was some clever recording/compression technique too. It's still mind blowing!

@raze7x

6 ай бұрын

Good analisys, I think you nailed it!

Nice to see old C64 demos again, when it is many years ago since I had a C64 at home in the 80's I had some C64 games and demos with music, graphics etc which was moving arround on the TV screen, with letters and objects changing color etc. I remember I had a demo with lines which change colors while making different shapes in unison to different music or tracks the demo had. There was a track named Magic Touch in that demo. I quit using C64 and have gone over to Amiga 500 in 1994 ☺ When I some years later in 1995-1996 I come acquainted with Ole Kristian a guy not far from my hometown Aalesund and he know a guy named Jogeir Liljedahl and that guy I did know to from before 😁 I found out later listening to a SID player music from C64 a track I recognize very well and it was Magic Touch from the demo I had in the 80's and composer was Jogeir Liljedahl, but I did not remember then in the composer for this track was many until 10-20 years later.

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this wonderful story.... ❤️

Imagine what things would be like in the computer world if Atari and commodore had merged their talents together, successfully.

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

Although the Amiga computer was developed and marketed by Commodore International, Jay Miner, who was involved in its development, had previous experience at Atari. The collaboration and knowledge of people like Jay Miner, who came from different companies, helped create the Amiga computer, which offered remarkable performance and graphics capabilities for its time. Commodore was the company behind the Amiga, but there was definitely an influence of different talent and knowledge from different sources. But I know what you mean, so to speak, a new company both with new idea once again lift one level up.

this is incredible...still plenty of life left in the old 64.

Imagine if these advanced demos were already made in 1983. That would have made the C64 even more popular & possibly made more money, because these were in the days before the Amiga, C128 & the Multimedia PC. And these C64 demos would have showed off the bigger possibilities of sound & graphics back then, when they were still relatively simpler. Even the C64 demos from the 1990's would have been shocking in 1983. Luckily I still have my original C64, bought in 1983, plus a couple more I acquired later on. 04/08/24

@Papierzeit

20 күн бұрын

Correct, that would have changed a lot. And yes, I love my C64C, which is still active next to me.

Great demo, rare that I enjoy music on the C64 anymore, but the closing track was pure quality.

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

Nice...

@speedsterh

9 ай бұрын

This is a toned-down version of the one playing at 10:40 Both are excellent though, very memorable

@jammerc64

8 ай бұрын

@@speedsterh I believe it's about very end track which is LMan covering Johannes Bjerregaard ;)

Jogeir Liljedahl had a nick name in the 90's which was noiseless ☺ Jogeir was born on January 25, 1974 in Ålesund. Between 1990 and 2000, Jogeir created music on the Commodore Amiga computer using Protracker and on the Atari ST computers. During this time he became a dedicated musician and an active participant in the demoscene. In 1999, Jogeir's debut studio album, The Wanderer, was released. The album was produced and released by Bjørn Lynne through his own label, LynneMusic In 2008, Jogeir's second studio album, Out of Silence, was released

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this wonderful story.... on this one too \o/

Amazing stuff everything is amazing the C64 just continues to amaze. I'd love to have a look at the creation process I used to do a bit of Basic programming but I neve imagined you could do things like what I have seen one on the little bad boy C64.

@Papierzeit

8 ай бұрын

I can imagine that maybe one day there will be a video like this here. Something like that is already on my long to-do list, which I am working through step by step.

@mantovannni

8 ай бұрын

@@Papierzeit Awesome :)

so awesome

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

\o/

Wirklich eines der besten Demos aller Zeiten. Der Part mit den vielen Spiele-Ausschnitten ist echt genial. Vielleicht sind das nur einfache Tricks, aber die Umsetzung ist grandios.

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

\o/

This is "The Shit" right there

I think Censor Designs any Oxyron already have the award of best demos ever made, many times over.... nobody beats them..

If this had been released back in the 90's it would have been great even as a PC demo, let alone something running on a little 8bit CPU with a sound chip, a few sprites and basic graphics buffer.

@Papierzeit

6 ай бұрын

So start the time machine and go back with it... the face of the people would be funny if they would see that :)

Is there a list of all the c64 games from this demo? Got goosebumps during that part of the demo (felt way too old)

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

There is no official list for this yet. Maybe someone will take the time to create this list.

9:15 this quality of synth and drum is insane, even for C64

@Papierzeit

6 ай бұрын

Its Next Level :)

Too chaotic for my taste.

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

Tastes are different, I can understand.

I used to be pretty decent at making C64 demos back in the day, but there are many things in this demo that I can't even understand how they're made ;)

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

The machine is the same, but the times change and you can get more out of it, that's so, yes.

How many discs (disc sides) needs this demo? If I ever invent a time machine, I will take it back with me to 1985 and put it directly at the first place in my discs storage box when I (the 1985 "I") am out of the house ...... school friends should be kind of impressed at the next copy party .... ;-)

@Papierzeit

8 ай бұрын

I can understand very well, in total there are four sides, so two floppies. :)

Holup! Wait a minute! You just fit 100 games animated screens with music on one side of a floppy?

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

4 sides

Amazing. Where can one download the file?

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

Have a look here: csdb.dk/release/?id=232976

@shayneerwin2809

7 ай бұрын

@@Papierzeit Thank you. Much appreciated!

been looking at a few demos and they're pretty awesome they're way more impressive than all of the original games released granted cause people have taken years to learn how to compress good coding down. but do people release games of this quality now that people know how to use these computers in amazing ways?

@Papierzeit

2 ай бұрын

Yes, there are some new C64 games that utilize the potential of the C64 to the fullest. For example A Pig Quest by Protovision, or the incredible Eye of the Beholder.

@XYZB0RG

2 ай бұрын

yep those look pretty damn amazing thanks for sharing

MEGA-DEEEMOOO . Unwirklich sowas auf dem Brotkasten zu sehen!

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

Der alte Kasten wird eben von Jahr zu Jahr besser. :)

That first part!? How did they do that? Anyone?

@Papierzeit

8 ай бұрын

With pure magic and lots and lots of good programmer code.

@MaartenSpoek

8 ай бұрын

@@Papierzeit LDX $D90D; STX $D90C... I'm disassembling it now.... yes, I saw this demo at X, it is amazing.

Is this REU boosted? It's nevertheless beyond all imagination. Fantastic.

@Papierzeit

8 ай бұрын

No, you need only the C64 and the 1541 floppy drive, the demo comes in 4 disc sides.

@larswadefalk6423

8 ай бұрын

​@@PapierzeitThat's just crazy. Then the only thing I can imagine how the game shorts would be done is to use vice dot Vsf files (perhaps a modded vice to record a range of frames), then parse and strip out the screen/color ram data, vic/sid reg. data and strip off unused char-data, put in some meta data then compress like crazy. And a c64 player for that. 😜

@Papierzeit

8 ай бұрын

@@larswadefalk6423 You can download the disk images here and try them yourself: csdb.dk/release/?id=232976

@larswadefalk6423

8 ай бұрын

@@Papierzeit many thanks 🙏

how many kb is this ??

@Papierzeit

7 ай бұрын

It's on 4 disc sides

This is really good but Mojo by Bonzai & Pretzel Logic is unbeatable

@Papierzeit

5 ай бұрын

Oh yes Mojo is a very good demo I like it too.

@sgriso

5 ай бұрын

@@Papierzeit i was stunned! 🤯

What? no really what, and how, like what?!?!?!?

@Papierzeit

2 ай бұрын

Oh yes, that's how it is, the good mix.

is this recorded on actual hardware? that would be impresive to see

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

Yes it's the real deal. Have a look in the description....

How?

@Papierzeit

6 ай бұрын

Through perfect program code and creative ideas...

I am so confused .... what am I seeing ...

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

As long as this condition is positive, everything should be fine...

Why always spirals and flashes @ c64 demos?

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

Why not :)

@marcel9568

9 ай бұрын

@@Papierzeit Because it is irritating to watch.

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

@@marcel9568 I can understand

@inphanta

9 ай бұрын

@@marcel9568don’t watch it then.

Volume is way up. Am deaf now.

@Papierzeit

9 ай бұрын

Oh no! Here are the official 'Deaf Mode' glasses so you can enjoy the music to the fullest! 😎🎧

Maybe it just me but I find these modern C64 demos really boring.

@Papierzeit

4 ай бұрын

The question now is, what did the old demos do better, I'm curious...

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