Tex I’ve always been a fan of this channel over the years. But this video has me confused beyond belief. Give us a shout if you want to talk about it. We were unaware that there was any “versus” or conflict that existed. -Tim Nebel

@jarritrobinson8040

3 жыл бұрын

Tim, look at you being cordial! I think he’s missing the point of the push. As with everything you have to go through tons of advice to find what works for you. With the push you get tons of SOLID information, BUT, you need to do due diligence and find what works for you. No two people are the same! The push is awesome.

@yasotay

3 жыл бұрын

He admittedly has not gone through the courses, any of the courses or been to a clinic, and is not a certified instructor. I get it he has his idea of watch traditional is and so do many others. Apparently my idea is different than his and I’ve been doing it a hell of lot longer than he has.

@TexGrebnerOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

This video came about for the simple reason that I get asked about you all enough to bother publicly explaining. If someone wants the actual benefits of what you all do they should actually buy the courses, instead of stumbling around the free domain. As for the title it was the catchiest thing that came to mind.

@thepusharchery

3 жыл бұрын

Tex Grebner Outdoors Catchy haha yep.

@jonoedwards4195

3 жыл бұрын

@@TexGrebnerOutdoors You aren't a part of the mainstream to Us, the Tex Fans are here for Our Tex, not a reflexion on the Kooks Who have it all worked out. Most who watched this video don't have a clue about what You was talkin about nohows? Beauty Tex. }>>---> >>---->@

"I just fucking shot myself" those lines will always be remembered...

I watched a bunch of his bow vids having completly forgot he is the guy from the shot myself vids years ago. Big fan. Go get em Tex.

The thing about string walking ( or what push archery calls fixed crawl) is you have to already be accurate in order for it to have any benefit for you. Your arrows have to already be spined right for that, and you need the right kind of bow. Which is usually a 64+ inch bow that is designed for string walking. They say you can do it with "any traditional bow" but from my experience, the short bows are horrible for string walking.

@leifhoklin2681

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. Shooting via string walking out fixed crawl allows you to aim with for less guess work. If you’re struggling with gap shooting or instinctive techniques, you’d be surprised how quickly you get consistently accurate with string walking.

I like the way you explain things Tex.Keep up the good work

The push program isn’t for everyone. As an instinctive archer I’m going to give aiming a try after watching their videos. Beyond the shooting method they also have a groundbreaking archery podcast that interviews archers from both sides of the spectrum.

Awesome video!!

I’ve always enjoyed your content. I’ve also bought Tom Clum Sr’s course. I gotta be honest it’s been very much worth it. I also like heavy bows and his course has actually made it easier to shoot those bows. I completely agree no one should expect to be able to learn what he teaches without seeing the whole course.

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

I understand what you are saying

I think you have a good point. I get what you're saying. Im old school 55 pound bow focus on as small of spot as i can just plain ol simple

I love your philosophy!

I have purchased the iron mind shot iq course as well as the solid shooting mechanics course. it's just like P90x/ you get out of it what you put into it (in my opinion and experience). as with P90x, I had to attempt to conform to the training with the belief that I would benefit from what was being taught. This was my experience and opinion, if you are reading this and your experience and opinion differ from mine, excellent!

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense to me-the things you say

"I also haven't actually taken an online course or been to a clinic" Is almost as helpful as taking Superbowl advice from a highschool quarterback. There's a reason the Push guys, Tom Clum, and Joel Turner work with some of the greatest shooters in the game. They're teachings are effective. Point blank.

@graphguy

3 жыл бұрын

There is more than one way to Rome. TGO is 100% correct.

@lsumme21

3 жыл бұрын

@@graphguy sure, there may be more than one way to skin a cat, but I can tell you, with FULL confidence that it's far less effective to use a butter knife than a razor.

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

But that’s not what’s being said here. It’s literally buy the push! Learn or discard the choice is yours

I’m not a certified instructor, but I did drink a bunch of Busch Light at a Holiday Inn last night.

I don’t know, Tex. I was new to shooting stick bows and I watched the push movie. The techniques made sense, I implemented it, and it made me very accurate in a short period of time. I thought the concepts were pretty straightforward. Just my take though.

Ooooooooooh snap! I guess I won't wear my Make It Weird shirt when I post "how is my form" videos to The Push listener group. 😂🤣

@jbocajs2999

3 жыл бұрын

I would, LOL.

@TexGrebnerOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

What I would tell anyone is, if it is something "you" want to do and a style you want to learn, save up and pay for it instead to stumbling around the free domain.

FIRST! It’s. been said there are a thousand ways to skin a cat. I critically watch most all who post about archery. Take allot with a grain of salt. Pick & choose what works best for me. In the end, we should all be trying to get our arrows to hit where we are looking. Good Vid. 👍🏻😉

@killerjay6755

3 жыл бұрын

FIRST!

I have found even a 60 inch recurve can be cumbersome in most ground blinds. 52 is suitable. Something I have noticed about a shorter bow. I chronographed my 60 inch Bear Super Kodiak at 45 pounds and my 52 inch Kodiak Magnum at 40 pounds, and they both shoot the same weight arrow at almost the same velocity. The Super Kodiak has a taller brace height, thus shorter power stroke, and I think the shorter bow stacks more weight on more quickly, earlier in the draw. Peter Juulsgaard, Denmark, Tales from the Willows, said the limbs on the longer bow are heavier and recover more slowly. Could be a combination of all the above. Lighter bows definitely more finicky on release. I like lighter bows, even down to 35 lbs, because I can hold them at full draw like a compound, for at least 10 seconds, without shaking, a huge advantage in certain hunting situations, especially ground hunting where you have to do an approach draw, where the deer's vision is blocked before it moves into your shooting lane.

One thing for sure I never see anybody take jabs at Jeff Kavanaugh. That guy is the Bob Ross of archery. IMO.

@mikeneuburger3989

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think there’s any reason anyone would want to. Jeff is a very nice guy and an excellent shot, but his shooting style is the antithesis of Solid Archery Mechanics, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

@1xayekim

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeneuburger3989 I dont really think so. Quite a few of Jeffs body mechanics are in line with the NTS style systems. He talks about having skeletal alignment, drawing with your back, proper bow tension, deep hook etc etc alot of it is in line the only difference is the steps taken and his aiming method.

@mikeneuburger3989

3 жыл бұрын

@@1xayekim I’ll give you that as far as the mechanics. And you can shoot an NTS shot with an instinctive aim. It’s what I do.

@1xayekim

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeneuburger3989 I shoot "gapstinctive" 20 and in I'll shoot instinctive 20 up I'll aim. I basically tuned my arrows with point on and then shoot instinctive to learn my trajectory. I use more or less the NTS system but I dont "transition" I draw to the wall then just keep pulling more of what Rod Jenkins teaches.

I live in Denver, I have been in their shop many times. They are all nice dudes and I have seen Clum Sr. help any joe off the street with any question he might have. I have no desire to take a lesson tho, I have my way that works for me they have their way.

Dumpster fire 🔥 without taking the courses. 🙈 I’ve taken Iron Mind it has helped a lot.

I'm glad that I don't know what you're talking about

@jonoedwards4195

3 жыл бұрын

Ahahahahha, same? Our Computers must be protecting Us or whatever the hell Tex is talking about is on TV? Beauty MonstA.

@joesephking8036

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, I think Tex vary rarely knows what he’s talking about either.

@jonoedwards4195

3 жыл бұрын

@@joesephking8036 When it comes to slinging, Our Tex is a powerhouse, Turn off Your TV Joe. Stop watching the News Mate. He knows how to send it when on subject. Oh YeeeeaaA!

Thank you at last someone who see it as I do ! It doesn’t make it right for everyone but works for me .

I’ve watched a few Push videos. I don’t dislike them at all. They have a different method on how to shoot a bow. When I started shooting I followed the famous archers of old used their techniques. In doing so over time I recked my shoulder. I wish to God I would have had Tom SR’s instruction back then. Back then I would have paid $200 for instruction that would protect my shoulder. If I’m ever able to shoot the bow again I’ll use Tom’s method for drawing the bow. Traditional or not.

I am just good at shooting my equipment because I have always naturally known what I am doing. I do know that I suck at teaching, because when people ask how I made the shot, I don't have an answer. Too often I just say I knew I could make it and I have no idea why someone else can't. Good luck teaching people.

To me the Push method is too complicated for me as well as the gap method. Each has to find their own. Fred Bear said that the reason he shoots a 65 pound pull bow is because it gives him the best loose or release. He doesn’t have to think about. Low poundage bows takes more discipline & good shooting form to be consistent. Keep shooting heavy bows.

@TexGrebnerOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

What I would tell anyone is, if it is something "you" want to do and a style "you" want to learn, save up and pay for it instead to stumbling around the free domain.

I enjoy your content, I also enjoy the stuff put out by the guys over at The Push. For the way I am proportioned the form taught in the solid archery mechanics works. My significant other however physically cannot do some of the movements so she has to shoot differently. As for the appeal of traditional gear being lighter I don't really get that. For me the appeal is that it's easier to have a bow for my draw length (a bit over 32.5 inches) than it is with a compound.

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

I get what you are saying but people take “trad” bows that are meant to be simple and light and then put weights on them to stabilize the bow chasing the dragon. And if that’s what you want to do great! But I stand with Tex and I think that’s dumb.

This guy has been wearing to many skirts and lifting stones in the woods. Got it from a p90x infomercial and ran with it.

I loved Push a few years ago. Listened to there podcasts too. I'm still subbed, though I rarely watch anything. It started, or so it seemed, like any other archery social media. Persons sharing their passions and insights to help others. Then it became incredibly commercial. Worse yet, their approach was advertised as the ONLY approach. That removed the entertainment value for me and their free content is strictly self advertising now. I'd pay for a live coaching even, but I'm not going to pay for online videos. There are great archery instruction videos out there. Some of my faves are Jake Kaminski, NUSensei, Rogue Archery, and Online Archery Academy. I think many archery social media outlets respect different approaches. I've found that the Push has fallen short of that in recent years. Selling their brand as a cure all, like this years new sight for a compound bow is going to immediately make you more accurate without practice, just to be fixed with next years model. In short, I suggest referencing multiple sources, practice a lot with different ways and do what works best for you.

@mikeneuburger3989

3 жыл бұрын

NuSensei uses the NTS method, which is what Tom Clum teaches.

LEL I much more prefer a traditional bow and learn from my mistakes and being about the archer. The new style bows like ILF bows take the Archer out of archery. Be one with the bow with traditional bows. That is all that TG is trying to say. Back in the day most bows where long bows 80 to 120lbs.

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly I shoot a #55 traditional stick bow with no assistive technology snipped onto the bow. It’s simple, fun, and primal. It’s a “very traditional” bow

@xfactoroutdoors165

3 жыл бұрын

How exactly does a limb mounting system take the archer out of archery. Does it magically make you shoot better than a take down style mounting system? It doesn't. All ilf allows you to do is simply set the tiller to your shooting preference wether it be 3 under or split.

The push info has helped me more than anything out there. I'm sure you are a great guy, do your thing. I dont see any versus at all. Overall im lost in this message. Keep on keeping on bud.

Hey Tex, like most things traditional it seems people latch on to one thing and don’t fully delve into it. Take the Ashby reports for example... yawn... plenty of opinions, very few have actually read them. I think I get the gist of where you’re going and it’s actually the same as the push... pick up a bow and shoot it! You can delve as deeply or shallowly as you want. The main thing is enjoy it

This is coming from a guy who never shot a deer with a bow 🤔

I'm going fly fishing for whale tomorrow.

I think I'm too drunk to comprehend this video. I'll watch it again when I'm sober.

I love The Push Archery. They have been great and are what helped me get started in trad archery. Sorry Tex, but I'm not with you on this one.

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

He’s not bashing them. He’s literally telling people to buy the product rather than fumbling around with free push online

Damn Tex shots fired. Hahaha. I would say that your presentation comes with respect. I paid for the solid archery mechanics course and have gained some very useful information and techniques that have made me a much more consistent archer but I don’t do everything they say to do. I feel like I got my money’s worth.

hi how r you Tex grebner outdoors my name is jamie mi a big fan of yous i like all of you videos

@jamiegraham7678

3 жыл бұрын

hay how r you w have you been up to

Not sure if I followed this video correctly. I heard, Tex: Disney Land sucks! Anyone: Have you been there? Tex: No! Anyone: Why do you say it sucks? Tex: Because it’s not free and they haven’t asked me to make a module.

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

No he’s saying buy it and see for yourself rather this coming to me and complaining

Tex > The Push

I’m gonna be honest, if you’re gonna shoot your shot you’ve got to be able to withstand the incoming fire. I’m not really interested in internet drama- yet here we are. I listened to what you had to say, I have a solution. Shoot off. You Vs them see who wins. Not just a straight paper shoot off either- add in some moving and aerial stuff also. Top dog gets to tell the other to kick rocks😂😂

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

Well no...he’s just telling people to buy the product rather than fumble around with free snippets and expect to learn anything of value.

Pretty sure most of the 45k subscribers just stick around for the idiocracy, because there certainly isn’t anything of value being shared here.

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

Have you watched his arrow build videos! Tex is the best! You love him and you know it!

I think the whole thing is kind of silly. Shoot till you can hit the kill zone at 40 yards every time and then go hunt. Kill about 50 big game animals with a bow and you'll see it's way more about hunting than shooting.

Do what makes you happy and be good at it. If you do it in certain ways, your dumb. Huh? I’ve always liked you because you are humble and inspiring in your own Tex sort of way. You’re off your game, somehow, buddy. As for the push, Joel Turner and Tom Clum, no approach is a fit for anyone. I get that. But the rest was pretty confusing. Sorry, man. I’ll still give you a thumbs up on this video because you put yourself out there.

I just like to shoot shit. Lol. I watch all you guys. I take a little bit from everybody. My favs are Tex, Grizzly Jim, Jeff Cavanaugh, Clay Hayes,

I couldn’t tell if you’re drunk or high

Looks like Tex just shot himself again.

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

This looks like a fake troll account

Look- it's the Great Value brand Ted Nugent!!!!

first

The Reason they are called The Push is they are pushing their ideas on people that don't know about archery. I suffered through their first video and have not been back.

@TexGrebnerOutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

What I would tell anyone is, if it is something "you" want to do and a style "you" want to learn, save up and pay for it instead to stumbling around the free domain. If somebody wants to do something they should commit to doing it.

@jamescooper2618

3 жыл бұрын

@@TexGrebnerOutdoors Agreed.

I can't stand the Push. Their archery shooting methods might be helpful to a lighter draw weight Archer. But the reason why I watch your channel Tex is because you are one of the few, in the world, who shoots a heavy draw bow today. The Push guys can tear up a 3D course, but if they were faced to face with a Grizzly, I think they would be at a disadvantage with their 40 to 50lbs bows. Most of us heavy bow archers probably wont be in a situation like this in our life time, but we are ready for the unknown when walking out into the woods, with a heavy weight bow in hand. I would love to see the Push guys just draw back one of your bows. We have to cancel this episode of the Push, due to dislocated shoulders. lol

@thesingulareffecttse4621

3 жыл бұрын

I stand with Tex