Alright, I want to bring something up here: You're using ammunition that contains an explosive that's at least 60 years old. As a chemist, I can tell you from experience that chemicals, especially shock sensitive chemicals, don't behave after sitting on a shelf for even a few years, much less well over 50. Chances are this stuff isn't as reactive as it once was and that's causing the delay you're witnessing. If this ammunition uses any explosive compound that could be considered a "primary" explosive, it would explode at a rate orders of magnitude higher than the velocity of the bullet itself and you're simply not seeing that with this old ammunition. It's also entirely possible that there is some internal corrosion preventing the little firing pin like system from operating properly. It's hard to say but something isn't working quite right, even the "fire" you see in the slow-mo doesn't really match much of any primary explosive I've seen, it's far too slow and the flames are too... "solid".

@CJ-hw4zc

4 жыл бұрын

You are correct, I have extensive experience with primary and secondary energetic materials too.

@Themayseffect

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think decay played a part in this case. The bullets behaved as intended. Your point would be valid if the chemicals inside of the bullet were exposed to ambient conditions, but they are sealed within a copper jacket that doesn't seem to have been exposed to harmful ambient conditions that would have rusted the material and caused oxidation. If it had spoiled, the bullet would have definitely showed signs of corrosion.

@joachimvonribbentrop1956

4 жыл бұрын

200 IQ...

@taheelur1

4 жыл бұрын

@@joachimvonribbentrop1956 What do you mean? Are you being sarcastic?

@matthewnewcomb559

4 жыл бұрын

Even if all that is true the rounds went off when firing at a different object I can’t say for the German rounds but for the Russians this means they did not fail because of make up but rather a problem of ballistics

That's not an exit wound. It's a parking space.

@joekunedo

4 жыл бұрын

🤣

@monkeyfeed908

4 жыл бұрын

@Jonas Literally the first thing i thought

@BogeyTheBear

3 жыл бұрын

It's the grave they dug for ya'.

@michaeledlin9995

3 жыл бұрын

I get same wound cavity with 500S&W 400gr Winchester hp.. 3 years ago it was $5 a round. Way too much for game animals. These also will penetrate level 3 ballistic glass at 50yds 1 shot.

@Edmondson_Avenue

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! You can imagine how the troops felt when they seen people hit with these. You know most wanted to go AWOL!

Ian and Karl at first : This is no different than standard ball ammo ! Ian and Karl , 5 minutes later : *Oh...*

@Rami-ll2bq

Жыл бұрын

u funny

@AncientRylanor69

11 ай бұрын

Question: if exploding bullets are so effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers please?

@afinoxi

11 ай бұрын

@@AncientRylanor69 1- They're very expensive. Outfitting an entire army with ammunition of this sort would not be feasible. 2- While the explosive ammunition is much more capable, in practical terms, the difference is slim, as both forms of ammunition put their target out of the fight if it makes contact. And so, the benefit gained is not worth the cost. 3- There is a gentlemen's agreement between combatants to keep the cost of war, material wise and human wise, to the lowest. Explosive ammunition is currently used, such as HEI rounds, but they're for purposes of anti armour rather than personnel. That is the field militaries wish to use explosive ammunition in.

@AdamantLightLP

10 ай бұрын

@AncientRylanor69 It's considered a warcrime to use small explosive rounds against enemy combatants.

@duaneaikins4621

7 ай бұрын

@@AncientRylanor69Geneva convention.

This is what the Chieftan would call "a significant emotional event"

@specter1893

4 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

@heisenberg1817

4 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@quiggsy8571

4 жыл бұрын

I don't get it lol

@heimvar

4 жыл бұрын

@@quiggsy8571 "a significant emotional event" aka heavy metal projectiles flying around and/or through you

@SleepySkull1

4 жыл бұрын

"Oh my god, My body is on fire"

That butterfly is gonna have PTSD after what he saw

@matheusbee3441

4 жыл бұрын

You say PTSD and I read PTRS lol

@jeffphillips1832

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! I saw that too. I'm wondering if that was an uber high tech micro aerial surveillance drone closely monitoring the boys' experiment?

@IRamnosI

4 жыл бұрын

It was the soap dummies soul, leaving it's burdened flesh and flying off into the ether...

@billseventy6825

4 жыл бұрын

Buterfly: "lets get the flock out of here " EEeeeeek ......

@bluewater7211

4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant hahaha

"Lieutenant. What do those Pulse Rifles fire?" "10 millimeter explosive-tip caseless. Standard light armor piercing round. Why?"

@InrangeTv

5 жыл бұрын

This. So much this.

@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing

5 жыл бұрын

Armat M41A. Accept no substitute.

@adenkyramud5005

5 жыл бұрын

@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing give this person a fuckin medal!!

@homeboyteddyisaliar

5 жыл бұрын

Well this facility is like one big reactor so one explosion and Adios muchachos.

@jillvalentinefan77

5 жыл бұрын

"Apone....hey look I uh....we cant have any firing in there I want to collect magazines from everybody." "Is he fucking crazy ?!" "Yeah what are suppose to use man, harsh language? "

The reason for delayed detonation may be linked to the ammo being so old and the compound degrading

@Blei1986

4 жыл бұрын

my bets are on savety standards. I mean, you don't want to snipe someone and then blow your rifle up and getting metalpieces in your face It's still high explosives you are shooting with (extremely) high velocity.

@Blei1986

4 жыл бұрын

@@ViktoriousDead for real? then you could use organic peroxides or TNT in these bullets? suuuure... the point here is, with the first compound it will detonate the moment the bullet moves in the barrel, that sensitive it is, while TNT (alone) is a rather insensitive expolosive and needs enourmous energy to detonate. in this case it needs some kind of primary explosive to ignite it. If you would want to design a bullet like this you HAVE to use the right compound that is senitive enough to detonate on target but insensitive to not just blowing up when you pull the trigger. if you can't understand this, just shut up.

@fort9609

4 жыл бұрын

@@Blei1986 thats not how it works

@Blei1986

4 жыл бұрын

@@fort9609 i don't know if you have experience in high explosives, but i'm pretty sure you can't just add a random explosive into the bullet and expect your barrel not to blow up when pulling the trigger. enlight me with your superior knowledge ;-)

@fort9609

4 жыл бұрын

@@Blei1986 except thats not how these work, the gunpowder that shoots the bullet is not connected to the actual bullet, you are aware of this?. in the german B patrone/observation round it has an internal floating pin and a very small amount of tetryl. this is armed as soon as the round is fired and detonated when it hits something, this ignited the white phosphorus. its intended purpose isnt to explode and injure people, it was mainly for observation. though late war snipers used these rounds for effective use as the explosion, while tiny, caused enough fragmentation to tear and pull inside people, which in turn causes more injury. if you refer to anti tank versions, then you can take the idea of the panzerfaust, these rounds do the same thing, post-war rounds have a very basic radar, but earlier versions rely on impact/sudden decelleration. after that the explosion is directed, not universal. and causes a jet of molten metal which can penetrate most tanks depending on range/angle etc. and if you are actually talking about just bullets with explosives in them, then those were also made, they are called tank shells, because bullets with just an explosive mass does not do enough damage alone. (against vehicles mainly) oh and to add onto your statement, no, you can't just add a random explosive, but the barrel will not blow up with adequate protection in the rear of the bullet. the gunpowder was already measured for the caliber and barrel thickness, and the rear of the bullet has enough balance to make sure it does not act odd mid-flight,(shifting mass) and enough protection to not break the bullet from the initial gunpowder shot.

It is magic, one of the rounds turned into a butterfly.

@justins21482

3 жыл бұрын

Dude I was gonna say big props to the butterfly casually rolling through and at that point well within range of the explosion as the ballistic was still falling

In the early 1990s, I bought an M44 and a large ziploc bag of surplus ammo. The ammo was copper washed and had no paint markings on the projectiles, because someone had run it through a vibratory cleaner to make the copper clean/shiny. Anyway, fast forward 10 years and I had sold my M44. Found this bag of ammo. Decided to pull the bullets with my kinetic bullet puller, to load in .303 Brit for my #4 Mk2. Imagine my surprise when I dump the last bullet out of the puller, and it's a spotter round. Pucker factor 15.

@BradfordGuy

5 жыл бұрын

Pardon me, "I think I need to have a movement!" (another movie reference) Holy crap, seriously, if that had detonated?

@LuckyAssult

5 жыл бұрын

@@BradfordGuy I imagine the the very least the OP would be down a hand.

@rogerramiussergeialexander5541

4 жыл бұрын

I know this is late but, yikes.

@pozsmith8207

4 жыл бұрын

This is why they tell you not to pull tracer ammo. Lol

@fortj3

4 жыл бұрын

@@pozsmith8207 There was no outward indication that it was a spotter. round. There were no paint markings or anything. It looked like garden variety commie FMJ.

Karl-"I don't see a problem with using this ammo in war, war isn't civilized." Also Karl-"I've never had to actually worry about what would happen to me in war" (exceptionally paraphrased)

@vikkimcdonough6153

Жыл бұрын

Well, the war on the Eastern Front _definitely_ wasn't civilized...

The butterfly slow motion flyby was amazing. A complete anathema to the devastation of the bullet.

@robertrabensohn3329

Жыл бұрын

Imagine your just a butterfly minding your business and than boom explosion

I can't imagine how rare this ammo is, so I'm deeply grateful that you documented it. "History became legend. Legend became myth." You've preserved a piece of history, somewhat ironically by destroying artifacts of that history.

@AncientRylanor69

11 ай бұрын

Question: if exploding bullets are so effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?🤔

@prinz4279

9 ай бұрын

Expensive and complicated to produce and unsafe to transport and store.

@benjaminanderson6016

5 ай бұрын

@@AncientRylanor69Exploding ammunition in small arms is banned by the Geneva Conventions.

Double thumbs up for capturing the butterfly in flight during that slow motion shot at 14:20

@GrumblingGrognard

5 жыл бұрын

Photobombed by a Monarch in SloMo! LOL!

@t4nkychannel921

5 жыл бұрын

That's like the American version of cherry blossoms falling as a dude gets chopped up by a katanna.

@Narinjas

5 жыл бұрын

I say triple because double just cancels your like.

you guys, the book descriptions are correct. the round can explode on a wrist . YOUR AMMO is so old it has a delay. normally this ammo explodes immediately on impact.

@AncientRylanor69

11 ай бұрын

Please help me understand if EXPLODING BULLETS are so much more effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?🤔🤔 Thank you.

@olit-j9432

4 ай бұрын

@@AncientRylanor69 It breaks the Hague Convention

@JG54206

7 күн бұрын

@@AncientRylanor69International law

@AncientRylanor69

7 күн бұрын

@@olit-j9432 thanks

I love how shook he got after seeing it actually work. Maybe he really thought it was all made up. I too would be shook. We all know ww2 was unimaginably gruesome, but with those rounds being real. it just gives you a whole other perspective to how much more gruesome it was. Not only that but what else were they using that we have yet to find.

@BigBoss-sm9xj

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree

@jakublulek3261

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting that dum-dum cartridges were banned but this was not. Russians were actually early adopters of dum-dum round, they used it in Ruso-Japanese war (and Japanese were really angry about it) and even in WWI and Russian Revolution. Not consistently, mind you, they were issued to officers in case of emergency and used sparingly. I bet there were some dum-dum cartridges in usage in WWII in Red Army.

@datadavis

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakublulek3261 no need to get caught up with such small details in an enormous relentless bloodbath, hey?

@willyvereb

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakublulek3261 Actually, they were banned. They were forbidden to be used by troops. The problem is that these bullets were originally meant by aircraft where the explosive charge is meant to ignite fuel tanks or make seeing hits easier. Then things get ugly enough that both sides started throwing banned bullets at each other.

@asierurteaga1227

2 жыл бұрын

After seen the video i thought about those photos of Staligrad with the streets full of bodies, and feel grated of the snow hiding those horrible injuries. That way, those photos look sad instead of horrorific.

I had an german WW2 Veteran as resident in our retirement home. He fought on the eastern front and his right arm looked like a swiss cheese. He told me, the russians used explosive rounds at some point and i saw the healed wounds from those horrific rounds. Two rounds impacted centimeters away from the bones but detonated at the skin. Still the wounds healed, he had two big craters on his arm. He died two years ago.

@AncientRylanor69

11 ай бұрын

Question: if exploding bullets are so effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers? thank you

@mediocrefunkybeat

10 ай бұрын

@@AncientRylanor69 The Geneva Convention. The same reason hollowpoint rounds are not permitted to be used in war either. Naturally, both sides ignored the Geneva Convention on the Eastern Front.

@AncientRylanor69

10 ай бұрын

@@mediocrefunkybeat thanks

@AdamantLightLP

10 ай бұрын

@mediocrefunkybeat Eastern front was a brutal, brutal war.

@williamzk9083

8 ай бұрын

I’m certain the Germans didn’t start this. The Germans signed both the Hague conventions in conduct of land warfare and the Geneva conventions, both of which forbade use of explosive rounds and dumb, dumb bullets. The Russians did not sign both of these treaties. They just gone through 24 years of Bolshevik genocides and madness. Madness in Germany only started in 1934.

I always thought that exploding rounds of .300 or less was a complete gimmick, and a hollow point/ soft point would be more effective. I was wrong. You did a great job on this video. Long time sub on forgotten weapons, new sub to InRangeTV

@JimmyCrawford

5 жыл бұрын

Guess you only need a few grams of explosive if its exploding inside you.

@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043

4 жыл бұрын

I always knew it was worse. U are an idiot

@BuggaBoy69

4 жыл бұрын

Gsfbffx Pdhhdf I can tell you don’t have firearm experience.

@alephkasai9384

4 жыл бұрын

@@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043 Historically anything that had an explosive charge was 11mm and up. The oft cited reason for this being that anything smaller didn't have the necessary space to store an effective amount of explosive charge. Even modern day militaries with our modern manufacturing capabilities don't put an explosive charge into anything below 12mm.

@CalgarGTX

4 жыл бұрын

@@alephkasai9384 It's not because of technical limitations, it's because the geneva convention forbids firing explosive or incendiary ammo at humans. (But 155mm shells and grenades are ok...) As a side note it also forbids hollow point in military use despite it being the standard in police enforcement these days..

Loved the butterfly. Devastating ammo.

Try the same thing, but make a ballistics soap ball, and put a steel helmet on it. I wanna see if it will trap the explosion inside the helmet

@krusk3544

3 жыл бұрын

I encourage you to waste your own money using antique ammo my friend

@corwincaine21

2 жыл бұрын

I was looking to see if anyone else was going to suggest showing the effects in a ground troop helmet, to see if that changed the effect. Maybe using an Ivan Zombie Head?

The butterfly flying through the slow mo footage is so majestic.

Butterfly: Don't mind me just passing through.

@HappyFlapps

5 жыл бұрын

Non-Explosive Bullet: Don't mind me just passing through.

@user-td1zo3tv9p

4 жыл бұрын

"Nothing to see here, Citizens. Move along. Move along." (Sung to the Tiny Tim song "I've got a brand new pair of roller skates, you've got a brand new key.") 🤯

During the war between Russia and Finland finish sniper Simo Hayha ( he was also called the white death, in a 100 day stretch he had over 500 kill's) was shot in the left side of his face with one of those exploring rounds. The round blew off a large chunk of his face and that tough S.O.B survived his wounds and went on to die of natural causes at a very old age 👍😀

@PeliKarhu600

5 жыл бұрын

I've heard that bullet penetrated right cheek and exploded against left side jaw bone tearing his jaw inside out, I heard this from one old man who said he talked about it with Häyhä himself

@ScooterLee-ei1ep

5 жыл бұрын

@@PeliKarhu600 well that man was wrong.

@PeliKarhu600

5 жыл бұрын

@@ScooterLee-ei1ep how so?

@ScooterLee-ei1ep

5 жыл бұрын

@@PeliKarhu600 went in his left check and exploded.

@kyleh3615

5 жыл бұрын

Stealing directly from Wikipedia- "On the 6 March 1940, Häyhä was hit in his lower left jaw by an explosive bullet fired by a Red Army soldier. He was picked up by fellow soldiers who said that 'half his face was missing'" Also if you look at photos of him, his right cheek looks okay while all the damage seems to be on his left

Gives the "BOOM, HEADSHOT!" meme a whole new meaning.

Honestly I never expect that huge explosion effect from 7.62 and 8 mm rounds . Impressive and horrific !

14:24 Monarch butterfly just minding its own business

@andrewbroeker9819

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that's a viceroy butterfly

@DetoxA1313

3 жыл бұрын

at least im not the only one that saw that. i had to watch again cuz i was sure it was a joke. wow!

Steel helmets, body armor or soft cover would definitely cause these rounds to have more affect on soft targets.

@savingsgalore7102

7 жыл бұрын

Sillygoose210 _ not to mention winter clothing, equipment or regular uniforms

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

6 жыл бұрын

+John La Duke Im almost certain this would cause instant shock. it would basically remove everything between your diaphragm and calfs.

@jackvernian7779

6 жыл бұрын

+I need no channel youtube! more like turn it into mincemeat.

@aggese

6 жыл бұрын

also a round that have flown for several 100meters is going to be traveling slower and be more likely to explode indeed a bodey

@jackandersen1262

6 жыл бұрын

They tested that with reproduction German trench armor. Needless to say, it does.

This ammo would be a perfect for hunting. You can save the food preparation, the goulash is ready to cook in a second.

Explosions, giant wound cavities, shuttered bones, butterflies - you can't get a better video than that.

An incredible piece of history. This is one of my favorite videos you guys have done. Keep up the great work!

@InrangeTv

8 жыл бұрын

+Red Burton This was actually the first ever InRangeTV video - in retrospect we could have done better but the topic is pretty compelling regardless. ~Karl

@redburton2661

8 жыл бұрын

What a cool factoid! Despite missing the opportunity to slow mo that one shot, I thought this video was fantastic. Thanks so much for what you do!

@fraserlamb5787

8 жыл бұрын

+InRangeTV How would this compare to dum dum rounds at this range?

@fraserlamb5787

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply, my curiosity is more around the idea of total damage with one vs the other since dum dums could do serious damage vs a normal round.

@sandrobruni7575

8 жыл бұрын

+InRangeTV I actually remember hearing about this a little a few years ago. I never really heard much about it though. Thank you guys for making this video! That stuff is nasty. Can't imagine what it could do to a head.

As a former Soldier, who served in Vietnam, I am here to tell you, if I was being shot, I would pray that the enemy was following those conventions simply because I may well live to see my family if hit with standard solid core ammo, not so much if hit by that nasty stuff. That, I believe is the reason for those attempts to civilize an uncivilized process.

@marshallschaffer3721

5 жыл бұрын

And I am glad the police (supposedly) stopped using the hollow point and fragmentation rounds.

@transtubular

5 жыл бұрын

@@marshallschaffer3721 I'm not sure where you are or what you have heard, but the police around me...and indeed most agencies in the USA use a hollow point of some variation. You may not be interested in the reasoning but it is as much for the safety of bystanders as it is to more quickly stop the bad guys. If you know you're going into a fight you bring a rifle. The pistol is easier to carry and can be there when you don't know when that fight might happen. Thus it is what they have with them and so they make it as effective as possible.

@doombringer3498

5 жыл бұрын

@@transtubular pistol hollow point have more stopping power, but not necessary is deadlier than ball.

@transtubular

5 жыл бұрын

@@doombringer3498 Dead is dead. When it is you facing a foe that is intent on killing you do you want to stop him now, or in 3 minutes?

@paveldimov8971

5 жыл бұрын

If someone comes to my country and trying to invade my land.. there is no rules for me!!!! Don't go where you don't belong!!!

Probably been said but the issue is to do with the velocity. At your current range the bullet is moving too fast, at a further range you'll see it go off inside the target more reliably. (going slower = more time in target)

I would suspect the performance would improve at range, less velocity going THROUGH the target. The round slowing a bit may allow it to detonate earlier in the target

So basically... aim for the thicc boi for maximum effect

@DJScootagroov

5 жыл бұрын

Aim for Sergi.

@Erden99

5 жыл бұрын

Aim for Goering

@davidca96

5 жыл бұрын

protecc attacc etc.

@iikkuowo6735

5 жыл бұрын

this is why loosing weight is healthy!

@maxmephistru

5 жыл бұрын

Fatshaming!

That butterfly at 14:27 Was lucky it didnt feel like coming in to land haha

Man... This is the type of stuff that drives home the sentiment that i am glad not to be fighting a war. Holy shit.

Simo Häyhä was such a badass he survived an explosive round to the face!

14:21 LOOK AT THE PRETTY BUTTERFLY!!!

I think I might know what's happening here. Using original ammo is great, but it's 70 years old and the explosive inside the round could have degraded and became slower over time. The Russian bullet have used a charge with a different chemistry and held up better over time. Another possibility is this is intentional, and intended to be used to penetrate soft cover (wood, etc.).. and *then* detonate. The third possibility is inconsistency in manufacture from lot to lot. All of this is speculation, of course.

@jaek7595

5 жыл бұрын

as Pickleman said "Snipers would also be at a further range so the bullet's velocity would be less" so there's that too I guess

@neilmurray8989

5 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking on similar lines, perhaps what we are seeing is the explosive round equivalent of a hang fire

@fidelpinochetov

5 жыл бұрын

Russian ammo ABSOLUTELY was not made for exploding after penetration of anything. The PZ stands for "Пристрелочный зажигательный"("Training incendiary"). It was made to detonate on impact so you could correct your fire even in the daytime when tracer round would not be that effective. So, it was basically ammo for aircraft machineguns (like ShKAS, which used the same 7,62x54 mm R rounds as Mosin rifles), and the fact that it ended up in hands of infantry, not mentioning the snipers is only due to critical lack of supplies in the red army at the beginning of the war due to massive retreating. So, there was no real intention to use explosive ammo on Germans in Soviet military, it was simply impossible not to, otherwise, soldiers would be fighting with even worse ammo supply conditions then they were already.

@schwegburt3002

5 жыл бұрын

My first thought as well. Close to 80 years old ammo? I could imagine the stuff probably isn't as effective as it was in the year after it was made.

Soviets used exploding bullets in winter war so i bet they started using it first. I have found couple Soviet exploding rounds Winterwar battlefields. Even Simo Häyhä took one in the head.

@SSD_Penumbra

3 жыл бұрын

Correction, he took one to the face.

@GTAmaniac1

3 жыл бұрын

@@SSD_Penumbra and the madman survived

@SSD_Penumbra

3 жыл бұрын

@@GTAmaniac1 Not only that, but he was only *slightly* perturbed by it.

@AncientRylanor69

11 ай бұрын

Please help me understand if EXPLODING BULLETS are so much more effective why do modern armies (especially NATO armies) bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?🤔🤔 Thank you.

@Kaivukonku

11 ай бұрын

@@AncientRylanor69 they cost more and you can take down a man with normal bullet. And i think exploding bullets are against Geneva convention atleast to use against people.

Mister Torgue sheds a tear.

Imagine an MG42 loaded with this stuff

@simonlamoureux5440

6 жыл бұрын

Justin Mitchell Don't think MG42 fires full length/strength 7.92 But a weaker version. M2 firing .50 BMG explosive ammo is probably the closest you'll get.

@cesarcarlosventura

6 жыл бұрын

Justin Mitchell warplanes fire this kind of ammunition, but with even bigger bullets

@p_serdiuk

6 жыл бұрын

Imagine an M2 loaded with Raufoss rounds (armor-piercing explosive incendiary).

@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing

5 жыл бұрын

Ma Deuce is surprisingly anti-climactic when lighting up a car with M8 incendiary, but the SLAP rounds make funny looking silvery confetti that sparkles. We had to burn off many cases of ammo that were a no-no for use on missions, so we did a huge spend-ex at Udairi weapons range.

@johnkendall6962

5 жыл бұрын

Simon Lamoureux Same ammo as the rifle

That's gotta hurt! (Oh look, a butterfly!)

@marshallschaffer3721

5 жыл бұрын

Bloom County. Thanks for the "classic."

@Scrump_Can

5 жыл бұрын

You talking about the rounds or the sunburn

2 years later, do you realise that this video has become reference and been mentioned dozens or more times on most firearm channels, noice :)

could you imagine an MG-42 with some kind of ammo like this?.... o0

@MrPloopy

4 жыл бұрын

My Grandfather saw a buddy killed when the MG-34 fired at them was loaded with ammo like this.

@Benny---

4 жыл бұрын

There's video on KZread of some eastern Europeans trying it. It mostly just jammed the gun every 5-10 rounds. And since they just shot at a dirt berm it didn't look very impressive.

@dragoon3359

4 жыл бұрын

@@Benny--- cool.... if you come across it again send it to me please

@taraswertelecki7874

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, because heavy machines guns in aircraft were loaded with explosive rounds.

@robertbossly

4 жыл бұрын

If I'm not mistaken, aircraft would use this type of ammo to zero their guns

I remember finish sniper Simo Häyhä getting shot in the face with the Russian variant of these rounds. If you Google his image, you can see the terrible results. it also left the man in a coma for a while.

@farmerboy9029

7 жыл бұрын

but he could still talk

@vguyver2

7 жыл бұрын

John Moses Browning Impressively enough he could, and even lived a long number of years after the war. Still, a chunk of his face was blown off. It's rather remarkable he had survived.

@Daishi0861

7 жыл бұрын

Didn't he get struck by artillery shrapnel? Not arguing, just interested in the source material.

@farmerboy9029

7 жыл бұрын

Daishi no it was an exploding bullet

@punishedmeridia

7 жыл бұрын

I think a 23mm HE shell struck near his face not a smaller bullet

.50 BMG Raufoss MK 211 rounds use the same principle and are in current use by the U.S. military. In fact, it was the standard issue ammo for my M-82A1 SASR rifle in the Marine Corps.

@Leeeeegion

5 жыл бұрын

Wow its so true. "The official stance of the Norwegian Government is that the 12.7 mm MP round should not be used against personnel, but an exception has been made for snipers using the round - due to the practical limitations of snipers having to change the type of ammunition used when switching between hardened and soft targets" The government uses laziness as the deciding factor?

@heno02

5 жыл бұрын

@@Leeeeegion Norwegian army still uses this type of ammo to this day for it's .50 cal MG's afaik, it certainly did when I had my obligatory year of duty in the army. Bear in mind, even with standard FMJ 0.50 cal, if you hit a human body you're turning it into minced meat, so might as well use explosive rounds and be done with it.

@sweatyapplesauce

4 жыл бұрын

Not laziness. You may lose your shot in the time it takes to switch rounds

@ConorNoakes

4 жыл бұрын

Dustin Castro plus the undue movement in a position may be the last cock-up they make 🤷🏻‍♂️

Karl: "I don't know about this..." Ian: "LOOK AT THE BONES"

Forgive me for pulling a Lazarus on this conversation (bringing it back from the dead)..I just remembered that some of the big game safari hunters in Africa used 1 and 2 bore rifles. They had a huge blackpowder charge and the "bullet" weighed up to a pound for the 1 bore. Plus, it had an explosive charge similar to the ammo you tested. It was designed for elephants. There was a story about an unfortunate hunter who fired at a bull elephant, but missed the head. The elephant was upset about his new ear piercing, so he looked over and saw the hunter and his assistant standing there. The hunter handed his rifle to the assistant and said,"Reload!". He turned and the assistant was already 100 feet away, beating feet. The hunter was stomped into paste by the angry bull...

@voiceofraisin3778

3 жыл бұрын

And then you have Karamojo Bell whos idea of hunting an extremely large number of elephants was using a .275 Rigby takedown gun. Admittedly mostly by stalking them and putting a shot in behind the ear into the brain but who also used to single shot charging Bull elephants from the front.

@ahel4523

3 жыл бұрын

That's why you don't shoot till your sure to hit.

@kylemichaels3373

3 жыл бұрын

I've never ever found evidence of exploding charges or anything larger than a 4 bore, with the 8 bore being most popular during the blackpowder era. I've read books on big game hunting written from the 1880's to the 1960's and have never heard of such an absurd thing.

@WhuDhat

2 жыл бұрын

If its true 👆 Don't send a boy to do a mans job i guess I know if i had a gun in my hands i wouldnt pass it off to someone else to reload it for me but then again it was black powder and he was rich so 🤷

I do find it odd that we think its OK to use bombs, mines and artillery shells that literally blast people to shreds. But shooting someone with a bullet that causes similar (acutally much less compared to close artillery shell burst) damage is considered ethically wrong?

@jero667

5 жыл бұрын

"The death of one is a tragedy , the death of millions is just statistic."

@jillvalentinefan77

5 жыл бұрын

The backwards thinking of humanity in a nutshell.

@stevejohnson6593

5 жыл бұрын

There was also some grenade launching device banned a couple years back, because you'd measure the distance to your target with it and send the projectile out to explode above for example, raining down shrapnel and whatnot.

@noluckpureskill9985

5 жыл бұрын

I think it has something to do with the fact that wen u get artillery shelled they don't gotta worry bout sewing u up, bc like u said u r now in shreds. But if u get hit with one of these an some act of the lord above or whatever u believe in keeps u alive then they got a nasty wound to try to fix... Same thing with serrated bayonets right? Atleast kind of, an same thing with the Germans being pussies about the shotgun (if made a nasty wound for them to fix if the poor sap that got shot lived...

@dreadfulbadger

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the fact that an exploding bullet wouldn't cause very much collateral damage. Compared to missiles that destroy entire towns.

This popped up in my suggested videos, over a year after I initially saw it. Still blew my mind, I totally forgot that y'all got a positive result on the latter block. Great shit, guys

@mrb692

6 жыл бұрын

Admiral Percy "blew my mind" Pun intended?

Man is such a kind creature.

8:44 [...]"and that fits exactly what we've seeing so far" German bullet 11 sec later: Halt mein Bier

I just want to point out, who's seen that picture of Simo Hayha after the Winter War?

@atar305

3 жыл бұрын

@dustisdeadbodies85 guess it wasnt a direct hit but still super lucky though

@keithsimpson2685

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly looks like it blew up not in his head or he'd been totally dead. prob pennd him and exploded in room next to face.

Can't help but imagine that if you were a bit overweight the damage these rounds would do just to the torso would be hideous.

@MisterCOM

6 жыл бұрын

CairnieR the rusian would definitely not be overweight

@mikec8086

6 жыл бұрын

MISTER actually some of the commissars and guys in charge would be. Targets that snipers would be very interested in.

@MisterCOM

6 жыл бұрын

haha but they would have left none for the private

@fuckoff5078

6 жыл бұрын

Heavy clothing during winter would make a difference

@Legitpenguins99

5 жыл бұрын

There would be very few Russians or Germans that were overweight. Both sides had severe food shortages

I know this video is almost 5 years old, but I wonder how much this effect would've changed at sniper ranges, say 300 to 500 yards, with what by then would be a much slower moving bullet.

On this episode of inRange: Bullet with Butterfly Wings

An absolutely fascinating video, thanks guys

14:00 entry wound: okay seems big, little bit of damage. exit wound: OMG that comedic timing

great video. thank you for putting this out. really interesting stuff. things were done so much differently back then than they are today.

My new Dangerous Game ammo. Brutal. Thanks Gentlemen, I've never seen these fired before. Great upload and new sub.

The famous finnish sniper was shot in the cheek with an exploding round.

With the Feldbluse, hairstyle and beard, Karl (name fits too) looks like a genuine Hauptfeldwebel of the actual German Armed Forces *lol*

This reminds me of the ballistic gelatin tests of handgun bullets in the 90s. What I would have done if I had been involved would have shot at ballistic soap with the approximate thickness of a human body like the larger blocks used here, placed layers of wool and cotton cloth to simulate uniforms and undergarments, and if possible shot at longer ranges. The video demonstrates the delay between impact and detonation quite well, as the higher velocity and lack of resistance at the target allowed the bullets to transit the soap well before detonation could occur. A well done and fascinating test! Thanks to you both, Karl and Ian!

On 14:24 a butterfly flies above destroyed ballistic gelatin in slo-mo. Strangely beautiful.

Random butterfly at 14:25. Symbolic?

@eandbgamimg9781

7 жыл бұрын

Rasgonras maby

@stefanb5189

7 жыл бұрын

in the 1930 oscar awarded movie "Im Westen nichts Neues" /"still on the western front" i believe is the english title, the main character Paul Bäumer dies in the last scene after 3 years in the horrors of war by peaking over the trench in order to chatch a butterfly and getting shot in the head by a sharpshooter. the last scene of the movie is his hand getting limp and lifless resting on a k98.

The shockwave proves to be capable of doing horrendous damage to the internal organs besides the initial horrific wound.

@AncientRylanor69

11 ай бұрын

If EXPLODING BULLETS are so effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?

@spearfisherman308

6 ай бұрын

@@AncientRylanor69cost and the Geneva convention.

@AncientRylanor69

6 ай бұрын

@@spearfisherman308 thanks

The monarch gliding by was a nice touch, haha.

Excellent vid. Enlightening.

The Soviets used exploding ammunition during the Winter War against Finland.

Hitting at 400-600 meters, would mean that the bullet is going slower, and detonating earlier in the target,I suppose..

@Rusty_Shackle-Ford

5 жыл бұрын

Of course such a ridiculously stupid reply would come from a guy named Chad...

@jimbojones806

5 жыл бұрын

Hip bone is a lot thicker than a deer scapula so maybe needs a thicker bone to detonate on impact

@jimbojones806

5 жыл бұрын

@@Rusty_Shackle-Ford lol with his name and the comment you can already picture what this guy looks like

@carbon1255

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but in a russian winter you have an inch or two of clothing on, so it better not be too much less.

@paullytle1904

2 жыл бұрын

Most shots were much closer than that

I can’t say about the ammo you’re shooting. The Brits had an explosive 303 round used in aircraft. The theory behind it was to start fires as the Germans did not have self sealing fuel tanks. The bullet created a brilliant, very bright and obviously very hot flash that burned between 1-2 seconds. In theory anyway if the flash was near a fuel leak it would ignite the fuel.

Very interesting. Thank you for making this video.

Absolutely devastating and consistent with a book I am reading, "Sniper on the Eastern Front, the memoirs of Sepp Allerberger, Knight's Cross .." He was a Sniper in the 3rd Gebirgsjager regiment in 1943, in the southern sector. Interestingly he describes how inferior the German optics were at the time, in addition to the prestige of 'earning' a captured Russian sniper rig and of course their exploding bullets which were extremely rare and only to be used on the highest ranking officers they could observe, in the field, where a kill shot had to count. He also talks about witnessing through his scope, the massive trauma these explosive rounds inflicted, describing a headshot causing a "puff of fur" being scattered in the air and exploding like an over ripe melon..& later viewing up close, instances where the round appeared to have deflected and created wounds so substantial that they almost cut the man in half. Gruesome stuff.

hell I've got 200 rounds of this shit now that I know what it can do I say screw shotgun w 00 buck for home defence I'm using my gewehr 98 with b patrone

@14:30 I think you gave a butterfly a heart attack - Happy New Year Y'all - Keep it up and thanks

Just stumbled onto this vid… Watching it got me thinking about how one of the French mob guys who knew Lucia Sarti stated that Sarti always used explosive bullets when he conducted his mob hits. Factoring in his position on the grassy knoll and what Kennedy’s head did in the Zapruder footage…

The story of the hand being blown of, could that be due to the unfortunate soul wearing a watch on their wrist?

@Armored_Muskrat

6 жыл бұрын

just needs to enter the front of the hand or travel up the forearm at an angle. Any way to get minimum travel through 4" of flesh, and the arm (with hand attached) will be blown off at that point. Didn't need to enter at perfect right angles to the wrist, after all. In fact, it pretty clearly didn't.

@Fl4m3tu5

6 жыл бұрын

that's what i was thinking. The bullet probably hit the forearm in an angle so it had time to detonate inside the arm(unfortunately)

@ulrichkalber9039

6 жыл бұрын

or it hit the tip of one finger and then went of in the wrist.

@asparis145149

5 жыл бұрын

The wrist is pretty much all bone, especially if the trajectory went through both bones.

@doombringer3498

5 жыл бұрын

@@Armored_Muskrat it's simple. bullet penetrates the body and then detonates and fragments on the hand.

Try Raufoss Multi-Purpose next! A friend of mine shot a beaver with it. He could only find bits of its tail, and shattered bone and intestines.......

Really enjoyed this video

Well from what information I have read about the 8mm exploding ammo is that the round would go in so far into enemy soldiers and then explode inside them causing massive damage. It was designed more for penitrating light armor and then exploding inside it, be it an armored car or and aircraft to do more damage. Where as the Russian ammo was somewhat designed more for human targets in mind. But also keep in mind that this ammo is rather old and the effects may vary a bit from then to now due to storage and the compounds used for the explosive in the rounds.

I believe the word you guys were looking for, is "catastrophic" to describe effect of the wound result of this ammo!

y’all shoot in some beautiful country!

Great synopsis of these type of explosive projectiles gentlemen. I agree, I am very relieved that this is no longer used in combat in the modern infantry. If so, there would be hell to pay.

Thanks for sharing!

Perfect for EDC and home defense. Air Marshals should use this too.

@tristanmyers897

6 жыл бұрын

lamonstra unless somebody happens to be standing too close to the target and the projectile overpenitrates

@nerfinator03

6 жыл бұрын

tristan myers woosh

@JamesLaserpimpWalsh

5 жыл бұрын

You do know it would go through the person and out the side of the airplane right? I'm no expert but I would have thought exploding ammunition would be the LAST thing you would want to used in the pressurised cabin of an airliner filled with people or indeed any situation with other people standing around. The only annunition I would even consider using in such a situation would be hollow point pistol ammunition so it does'nt end up going through six people before causing an explosive decompression. C'mon man. Think before you post.

@LupusAries

5 жыл бұрын

Back when Cliffs of Dover (IL-2 Cliffs of Dover) came out we had that discussion about those types of cartridges, and the interesting thing was that the British cartrdige was pretty usesless damage wise, it didn't do damage to the aircraft. The german round was a bit preferred as you got the puff of smoke but it could also damage the aircraft, with penetration a bit better than the average ball round. Which would concur with your observation of it's usage James.....if a rifle cartridge if damaging enough to penetrate an aircraft (of the 1930's to 1940's) from the outside, I wouldn't use it in an airliner. The reason this came up was that in Cliffs of Dover you could make your own ammo belts, and the question was which cartridges to use. Armor piercing is nice if you shoot tough or armored sections of the aircraft, like the engine, or the fuel tanks (which might be lightly armored) but if you shoot an unamored section like the rear fuselage or wings it might just overpenetrate and "punch a neater hole"....which you don't want. You want to either damage structure, or tear of the outer skin of the aircraft, and the standard ball cartridge excels at that. And the B-Patrone's effect aka that it needs penetration depth to properly do damage fits the profile of it being an anti-aircraft round. As an Anti-Aircraft round it would generally be more effective if it penetrated, as then the explosive force is contained by the structure, so it does more damage. An explosion on the outside would do less damage, which generally is not as effective, unless you go into cannon size, like the Minengeschoss on the MG/FFM 20mm cannon. (There is a bit of a discussion about wether the MG 151/20 or the Hispano-Suiza HS.404 20mm cannon were more effective, as the Minengeschoss was more likely to explode on the outside but had more HE filler and the Hispano-Suiza High explosve shells were more likely to penetrate but had less explosive filler.) Incindiary ammo was surprisingly effective, especially when used against half empty fuel tanks, where a well placed hit could snap off the wing of a Ju-88 in one burst. Generally that was damage we had before in the flightsims only seen from Cannon shells, because the damage modeling was never as precise before. Before you had fuel tanks, radiators, engines and the like but if you had a fuel tank, it simplified to save calculation time it was a fuel tank and it either had fuel it in or not, if fuel was in it and you had incidiary rounds penetrating it and it could be set alight. Now in Cliffs of Dover you actually had a fuel tank and it would check if it was full, half full or empty and it would also check if there were conditions for fuel vapor like in a half full tank, and if you got an incidiary round in it, it could actually explode. In the discussion I also heard that the B-Patrone was used against enemies behind something like a gun shield (on an MG) and light types of cover, as well as vision slits on tanks. (Hearsay mind you! ;) ) As for usage, the military can't really use rounds like that except for anti-material use, as explosive ammo of this size violates one of the oldest parts of the modern law of armed conflict, the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868 which banned such cartridges for any other use than what we now call Anti-Material use. The declaration was made after the Russians developed what they called a "fulminating musketball" which was originally intendet to be used against powder magazines and powder wagons. However by 1863 they had perfected it so that it would explode when hitting soft targets like tissue. The Tsar (or his advisors) then deduced that this would have a massive negative impact on diplomatical relations and that this would lead to an arms race in that regard, and thought it was better to negotiate a ban on this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg_Declaration_of_1868 www.weaponslaw.org/instruments/1968-Saint-Petersburg-Declaration Now given that this is banned in war, I doubt you could get it past all the "watchdog" groups of today, especially in the current political climate to legalize this for home defense or Air Marshals. With the practicality of it being quite a different question. Those groups would have plenty of "ammo" to convince most people to support a ban, given the types of wounds this type of ammo inflicts.

@lazyturtle4579

5 жыл бұрын

lamonstra every submariner should be issued with these too, the possibilities are endless !

4 things I thought of while watching this: 1) Age of the ammunition. Many explosive compounds deteriorate over time. 2) Could be a range/velocity issue. 3) On the shot through bone with the German round you can see on the exit wound minor scorching. 4) How often would someone get a direct 90 degree shot?

@carbon1255

5 жыл бұрын

did you watch it all? 4 inches on both, seems perfect, they go off right in the middle of you, and blow your spine out your back.

The use of this ammo by Russian & German troops is mentioned many times by Gottlob Bidetman (In deadly combat), Earnest Junger (The Storm of Steel, WW1), Günter Koschorrek (Blood Red Snow), Thorlof Hillblad (Twilight of the Gods), Erwin Bartmann (Für Volk & Führer) Yevgheni Nikolaev (Red Army Sniper) just to name a few, all books focusing mostly on the eastern front. Jünger’s book is a WW1 battle memoir and the best of the bunch in my opinion, he also talks about the use of aluminum tipped bullets by the English being “Pure Dum-Dum’s” on the western front & himself using “K” ammunition. This was a lot more widespread then most people think

@AncientRylanor69

11 ай бұрын

Please help me understand if EXPLODING BULLETS are so much more effective why do modern armies (especially NATO armies) bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?🤔🤔 Thank you. P.S. what is “K” ammunition & why did English us aluminum tipped bulle

"It penetrated 4 inches and then absolutely exploded . . . " "Gimme a break, it was my first time!"

@jofferyclayborn9511

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there 😆

If I remember well is when I was in the military I was told that the purpose of shooting is to stop the enemy not necessarily killing.

@TheSeanoops

4 жыл бұрын

I can see that. Wounding a man potentially takes two men out of a fight, and is more of a drain on your enemy’s resources than a dead man.

@kylemichaels3373

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSeanoops I've always heard that this was the main reason for banning hollow points in war. Not that some countries care! Looking at you United States, always cheating and committing war crimes.

@14:24 Butterfly brings some poetical touch

The two of you compliment each other very well. My dishes are piling up in the sing and I'm running out of clean clothes. I need a twelve step program for watching your videos.

Great! I read the book earlier. Thanks that you prooved it.

You two need a show!

@yam83

7 жыл бұрын

😂

@richardgray115

6 жыл бұрын

Laurel and Hardy

Lovely butterfly at 14:25!

I thought it would only explode just enough to deform the bullet for more damage. That was a real explosion. Very impressive for WWII tech. Imagine what they must be making now.

My grandma is 84, last week she said that the people in her childhood had not been so insane that the people of now. We live in eastern europe. I asked were you kidding now..

Make it a gyroget, and you've got a Bolter round.

@doombringer3498

5 жыл бұрын

for one of this SSO guns kzread.info/dash/bejne/nWmBz9aqmbTbcZM.html )

@carbon1255

5 жыл бұрын

I think bolters have shell casings too, they fire off like a regular round and then constantly accelerate to hit high mach numbers- I assume, or perhaps they simply avoid bullet drop and keep speed constant for a more user friendly gun. Hard to say.

Im Curious to see the effect of this on a modern ceramic plate.

And a Butterfly floats by. Classic. They work. Very well🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍😊

I had a buddy on the PD who was an avid reloader, got me into reloading my own stuff. He used to load hollow base wadcutters (38 special) inverted, then drop in a few grains of Bullseye powder, put a large rifle primer over the top and seal it in with his wife's nail polish. He claimed he could see the explosions as the rounds impacted on the paper targets we used on the PD for practice. I never saw one fired, and never tried it myself, sort of looked like a waste of good ammo to me, but then I was always a bit conservative with my reloads as well.