The problem is you gave the kid a pronounceable name. It would stop fine for X72Ajxp

@InternetDude

Жыл бұрын

LOL

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

Oh god, I actually get that joke, good job 👍🤣 my old grandma on the other hand would have needed a explanation 😂jk but still waiting for a kid to have the infinity symbol for a name, would make for interesting times at the DMV😂

6:28 6:35 6:51 holly molly, running over them _AFTER stopping_ was unexpected but yeah, i can imagine the loophole being low detectivity around the corners of the car (though, it shouldn't be the case as it recognises other obstacles around there)

@hansbrix2495

Жыл бұрын

Have to complete the job, right?

@yash1152

Жыл бұрын

@@hansbrix2495 not by killing & murdering people though > _"Have to complete the job, right?"_

@Proclifo

Жыл бұрын

Gotta get that hit 'n run felony charge

@yash1152

Жыл бұрын

@@Proclifo lolol

@dougferrell7047

Жыл бұрын

Scroll down further and uncheck "felony hit and run" which defaults to "on."

The mistake FSD is making is that it should be aware that a child could emerge from anywhere and it needs to start slowing as soon as it recognizes what could be a child near the edge of the road and if it cant see the child, it needs to anticipate the child. If the software designers faced the same penalty as a human driver no one would design the software.

@datamatters8

Жыл бұрын

I think it should have stopped and I don't know why it didn't but on the other hand it does not yet detect debris like a shredded tire on the freeway or potholes. I'm looking forward to those improvements. To add to your point if FSD sees a ball or other toy rolling out on the road behind some obstruction (like a parked car) it should slow down enough to safely stop if some person or dog comes chasing out after it. I hope they eventually handle this scenario. However, today when I use FSD Beta on 2 lane roads and it sees a pedestrian or biker it steers to the left of them to give them plenty of room. If it can't safely do that because of an oncoming vehicle or a blind curve FSD Beta slows down and follows behind them. 1000's of pedestrian lives would be saved every year in the US if all vehicles had this capability. FSD Beta is still improving but as I see it this is already a pretty big win. For ref see "cdc pedestrian safety" which notes, "More than 7,000 pedestrians were killed on our nation’s roads in crashes involving a motor vehicle in 2020. ... There were also an estimated 104,000 emergency department visits of pedestrians treated for non-fatal crash-related injuries in 2020." As FSD continues to improve to its aspirational goal it will make the roads much safer for all of us and significantly reduce road deaths from the approximately 43,000 in the year 2022 (NHTSA data). That's why I and 1000's of beta testers want to contribute to Tesla's FSD Beta program.

@stusue9733

Жыл бұрын

@@datamatters8 How many times did you paste this pile of rubbish?

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

@@stusue9733as an old guy I think a lot of the crashes are due to car drivers driving like soap opera actors who look at their passengers while driving a stationary car, or maybe don’t know what a double solid line on the roadway means….jk but I’m so old I could even do hand signals if sticking my arm out the window wouldn’t mean possibly losing my arm 😂

@Demopans5990

9 ай бұрын

Kinda the problem if you only rely on computer vision.

Full Self Driving* * does not full self drive

@HansCSchellenberg

Жыл бұрын

That is the real danger here, Tesla drivers treating the FSD garbage like it is a real self driving car and spending their drive on their phones.

@FireFish5000

2 ай бұрын

It does full self drive. This video shows it full self drives fine. What the video wants is full self not driving. It doesn't full self not drive very well at all. But fear not, I heard the latest updates added a not driving feature

Weirdly enough if you watch the first test in slow mo it detects the guy pulling little Timmy before little Timmy is detected in the road…

@nivvy19

Жыл бұрын

This is because Timmy is real! I believe FSD failed these tests because the child was a dummy without any moving limbs and the car didn't know how to deal with this highly unusual scenario

@99treb9

Жыл бұрын

@@nivvy19a I own a Tesla they register trash cans and other none living objects just fine. I think this has to do more with the height of little Timmy/the dog after removing the ultrasonic sensors from the cars the Vision system can’t register objects that are lower or even with the hood. Happens when I am parking in my garage it can’t sense how far I am from the garage wall. This is also why the Tesla re-ran over the dog and kid again.

@StuartHerrington

Жыл бұрын

​@@nivvy19FSD doesn't work if the car hits objects in the way, regardless of it being a dummy, an object or a real person.

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

@@99treb9that could be an explanation, which is a problem because once a elderly guy fell into the roadway and was lying in the street causing everyone in my neighborhood to stop, but he would be way lower than Timmy so maybe he’d get run over like Timmy too….

You should test it with a ‘child in a wheelchair’ just to make it even more egregious

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

If we can find a plastic wheel chair it’s worth a try!

@InternetDude

Жыл бұрын

good idea, it may speed up!!

@JacobBe5

Жыл бұрын

@@AIAddict Make it out of cardboard. It "sees" size so you can make them from crushable material to avoid damage.

@JamesAwokeKnowing

Жыл бұрын

No, it needs to be a gay black transgender autistic native american orphan child in a wheelchair

@kiteguy1761

Жыл бұрын

@@AIAddict just use regular wheelchair and cover its tubes and elements with tube isolation to make it soft.

clearly the tesla hit the kid twice to get rid of any evidence. smart car.

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

This made me chuckle

@banme2784

Жыл бұрын

@@AIAddictshame it’s still not gonna get your job back at tesla

@kopazwashere

Жыл бұрын

@@AIAddict i know it was really fked up thing to say but i had to do it

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

@@kopazwasherefwiw I get that it’s just a joke, kinda dark but not all humor is from Hallmark cards…😂

I'm amazed you did those on a road lined on both sides with utility poles.

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

It was definitely a concern 😅

I feel like the test at 7:00 demonstrates why tesla should have kept USS(and why it looks like they may be reintroduced) as that would have told the car there was something still infront of it

@paulmeynell8866

Жыл бұрын

The ir component in the camera tells if it is alive ( warm) or dead radar has no idea

@brandonokeeffe1193

Жыл бұрын

@@paulmeynell8866 why does it matter if it is alive or not? It shouldn't avoid road debris? Should just drive straight over it because it isnt alive? It looked like the issue was that the dummy was lying in front of the car in the blind spot of the cameras, so it didn't know anything was there, alive or dead My point was that USS would have detected that their was a solid object in front of the car(the same way it detects other solid objects like curbs and walls) and not just driven over it

For a final comment I just want to say that the not so obvious takeaway should not be whether it stops in time, but whether it should start slowing down to 15-20mph if it sees a stationary dog or child in the road. The answer is a hard yes. Until Tesla or any competitor have reaction times under 50ms, you must hard code these basic things. No matter how annoying they might be to the passenger.

@lazerusmfh

Жыл бұрын

average human time to react is closer to 1.5 seconds, if they are paying attention

@richardred15

Жыл бұрын

​@@lazerusmfhMore like 150 ms for the reaction. At 300 ms your body gets the control signals. At 1.5 s your car is stopped. The child was visible for far longer and a human driver (who gave a damn about being in control of a multi-ton death machine) would have stopped.

@darthclide

Жыл бұрын

@@richardred15 Correct. And in that clip with the real dog being hit, I saw many claiming on Twitter that it was physically impossible to not hit. With a 50ms reaction time it could have easily stopped in time + used the empty opposite lane to move over (not just a tiny wheel jerk like in the video). I am not claiming a level 5 autonomous will be 100% accident free. But FSD cultists see "impossible" scenarios everywhere, when it is really just them coping with a bad piece of software.

@robertkliemann3478

Жыл бұрын

It’s a shame you had the display showing the map only. Driving speed, blue noodle & steering wheel, as well as any warnings would have been useful. The fact that you chose what to not display brings into question your honesty.

@darthclide

Жыл бұрын

@@robertkliemann3478 cope

Please keep testing this every twice a year or so atleast. Or in big FSD updates. I'm keen to see the improvements. I'm not really going to buy a Tesla Untill all this stuff gets sorted out. Never know what changes they will make to the car from now till then. Kind of just want to buy it when it's good and know it will be good from. there on

@derfahnder88

11 ай бұрын

Probably never as the hardware is unfit for a real level 5 autonomous car.

@jazubax

11 ай бұрын

@@derfahnder88uh ???

Print out huge paper wall with silhouettes, stop signs, house etc and place it on road

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

The worst would be some interesting 3D looking people that actually are flat but look 3D due to odd perspective stretching, it been known to be so good flat images on the road look like actual kids 😂

Tesla FSD in Sampsons voice: I was enabled to go, not to slow!

@RubixB0y

Жыл бұрын

This reminds me of the Simpsons episode with Arnold Schwarzenegger as president, "I was elected to lead, not to read." ... unless... that's what you meant by "Sampson's voice" ...?

@spacejaga

Жыл бұрын

@@RubixB0y I believe it's from the Simpsons movie and yes.

When I would see a child like that on the side looking at the road I would already slow down long before they might to start running over. Looks like it has bad visibility, like an NPC from a stealth game. When it finally sees it, the visualization shows it wants to stop.

@paulmeynell8866

Жыл бұрын

What hiding behind the pole in the shadow line. One way to fix the results.

It all comes back to speed. People heap praise on it when it performs well in 35 mph or under zones, but sweep it under the rug when it performs terribly at high speeds. I always love the cultists who say "it couldn't possibly stop in time, so that is why it didn't bother trying to brake in these tests". First off, how dark is it that you are okay with a child being sent 30 feet through the air as some kind of "defense" of FSD Beta? Secondly, it COULD stop in time. It is just too slow to react. Humans have an average reaction time of 200ms. If ANY company wants to reach level 4 autonomy, the car must always react in under 200ms. If they want level 5? It must always be in under 50ms.

@paulmeynell8866

Жыл бұрын

It’s simple physics it takes time to stop from higher speed , humans kill millions of people world wide every year . Cars can’t defy the laws of physics they just do better than humans.

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

Kinda off topic but how far away do these optical only systems work anyway, because if it’s a fairly close range visual system a human might notice a kid sooner rather than wait to get too close….

@paulmeynell8866

11 ай бұрын

@@IndyAvocadoKid around 200m. But the cameras are seeing everything 38 times per second ( we see where we are looking in quarter of a second) and the car can apply the brakes in about 1 millionth of a second😮 It out performs humans in its sleep😂😂😂

Been waiting for this new video. Very well done, I always wonder how it react . When I reverse I almost hit someone and didn’t try to stop at all.

I think you needed a regular car trip to compare, with the hands on driver unaware of the hazard he was going to encounter if that could be done as safe as possible. As the Tesla is also "unaware" of the problem up ahead. The comparison between human and Tesla would have been interesting...

@brandonokeeffe1193

Жыл бұрын

Would also be interesting to see how other autonomous cars like Waymo handle it

6:24 I am not faulting you here because it is impossible to make tests like this 100% perfectly repeatable without expensive equipment. However, the sled was pulled over a little bit slower than the other attempts so it gave FSD that 1000ms (common reaction time for Tesla FSD) window to detect a VRU. But it was still a major fail since it just continued driving over the child afterwards.... The fact that Tesla's object permanence is this bad is astounding. Especially since you would think their highest priority for object permanence would be "child". Furthermore, they removed radar a while back. AND they just removed ultrasonic sensors. Would both of these things make it even more likely for the Tesla to continue driving over a child it can't "see" anymore?

@Nebbia_affaraccimiei

Жыл бұрын

1s reaction is crazy slow for a computer. most humans can react in 0.2s

@darthclide

Жыл бұрын

@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei Yes, FSD Beta can sometimes squeeze out .5 second reaction times, but 200ms? 50ms? They can only dream of hitting those numbers.

@bustatron

Жыл бұрын

I forgot that they took both the radar AND the lidar off. Video will never be good enough to be safe.

@darthclide

Жыл бұрын

@@bustatron I assume your "lidar" was a mistake. Tesla has never had lidar in production cars. Only on their own company software development vehicles. But yes, they removed both radar and ultrasonic sensors.

@tonespeaks

Жыл бұрын

@@bustatron Without insulting anyone, do people really understand what Lidar does v Video. Video is actually quicker and more data dense. Lidar has issues working in many weather conditions (this is being improved). 2D Radar gives off too many false positives and if people really looked at the competition, they would see they rely more on video than lidar and/or radar. Just look at Mobileye.

Would love to see this same test using the new Volvo EX90 with LiDAR.

Hope you will retest on FSD 12.3.x Havent seen any content out there on objects/stopped vehicles on open roads with FSD 12. If it can do cones well at slow speeds (like on Hwy 17) what happens without traffic at normal speeds?

This video clearly depicts why it was unbelievabley foolish to remove the lidar detectors.

@csadler

Жыл бұрын

And radar!

@tomturnbull3723

Жыл бұрын

Neither of those technologies would make any difference. The issue here is determining the likely movement of the child or dog and slowing down in case they cross in front.

5:40 That is quite interesting. I would assume any level 5 autonomous system (which would never be perfect) would be programmed to pull over after hitting an animal or human. Add that to the very long to-do list for Tesla.

@mousetreat

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: it’s still a level 2 system. Far from 5.

@darthclide

Жыл бұрын

@@mousetreat "very long to-do list" :)

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

@@mousetreatthat’s what’s really wrong with ‘FSD’ because everybody thinks it’s 5 when legally it’s still level 2…like so far the only sleeping car driver videos have been FSD Teslas, Hyundai has level 2 assist too but I’ve never seen a Hyundai driver deliberately sleeping while driving😂

@paulmeynell8866

11 ай бұрын

@@IndyAvocadoKid you saw a few people pretending to sleep when it first came out. It has a camera watching you You have to pull the wheel every minute and it weighs the driver so it knows you are in the seat. ( presumably the weight changes as you move about so you could also use this as a metric.

@paulmeynell8866

11 ай бұрын

@@mousetreat from what I see it’s better than a lot of human drivers! And yes you are essentially a driving instructor keeping an eye on a student.

A few questions - how would it act for a stationary object - like something deer sized or adult sized or even a child standing there or a stationary dog. It seems to me that the car continued to run over the kid/dog because it was lower then the sensors. By now it should be able to identify most common road signs - the road closed was a total failure. I am also curious how it would react to something projected onto a screen and run towards the screen - since it is vision only now. Also if you do the test again - I am curious how it performs at different speeds - I think that this test was run at 35 MPH. So how does it perform at 30 and 40 (+/- 5MPH). Is there a sweet spot where it works and another where it consistently fails? One more thing - I would like it if we could get a capture from the screen so we can see what the visualization sees. If/when it identifies a road hazard. I was thinking about this when I took my mom home on July 4th - a tree had fallen on the road to her house. How would FSD react to this - would it have driven straight into it? I think so - thinking back to the grill test you ran. If it isn't programmed into it as an object - it is just invisible to it. Radar does not care what the shape is it just knows that something is there.

software v 11.4.4, now with flee the scene and reverse to make sure mode, aka software version tony soprano

Can you also explain to all of us why like all dan o d test we dont see clearly the screen ???? Some crash we d9nt see on the interior of the car ???

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

You can pause and zoom in on the screen during each test. We do show peddles, wheel and screen during every impact.

Ahh of course, Dawn Project. They have a great history of not bullshitting

thank you

Would this be more effective in a suburban setting where things are a bit more clearly visible?

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

The car does a pretty good job handling Suburban neighborhoods but still must be monitored constantly to be effective. It’s advertised to sometimes do the worst thing at the worst time despite working great most of the time

Far more people need to see this

This video got featured in the LA times under the title "Tech activist says his ‘teddy bear test’ proves Teslas are too lethal to be on the road" Its how I found it. Very interesting video. I am surprised to learn about it

When are you going to show us the test u did with Ford Cruise, GM and Waymo systems

@csadler

Жыл бұрын

Not that bright are you?

@Mr.Pheonix_CEP

Жыл бұрын

@csadler As dumb as you possibly has been in awhile. Hence emulating my Boss

Software update, it now can do a hit-n-run. Like you want hang around when you hit something and get in trouble for it. 🤗

Can you stop in time as the regular driver if you were driving the car and the kid jumped out that late or you were going that fast? That’s my question.

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

I could have easily slowed down comfortably to a complete stop several car length before. I would have most likely slowed down to see what the “kid” would do, then proceed

@markprati4818

Жыл бұрын

No, the time points on the video (

@RatsTesla

Жыл бұрын

@@AIAddict but I think we can agree that if you don’t see the kid until the car does there is no way you would stop in time while going 55. Less than 2 seconds.

@stusue9733

Жыл бұрын

@@RatsTesla When was the car going 55mph?

@RatsTesla

Жыл бұрын

@@stusue9733 he said it was. And if you look at the speed it was 55

Considering this which is the best car for safety ?

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

I’d probably go with Volvo

@mpmpm

3 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict "I’d probably go with Volvo": Volvo's are dreadfully boring, though. Accept for the P1800, I can't remember any good looking Volvo.

I'm surprised the vehicle does try to turn out of the way, as sometimes kids freeze in place.

@AIAddict

5 ай бұрын

Like Deer in Headlights 💡🦌

Nice test. can you do the last test 3 times in a row. no camera cuts?

@cybertrk

Жыл бұрын

Also they need to test a fresh human with the same test, no heads up notice that there will be a test.

@stusue9733

Жыл бұрын

@@cybertrk Why? Its not like a human could do any worse.

@ghfghf7

11 ай бұрын

Would you like to see one withput the blurred "WARNING while Your foot is on the accelerator FSD will not break" Logo that's on yellow ok the screen they zoom in on?

Do this every release.

This is horrific. We don't even have this FSD update in the UK (model y with Tesla vision). My old vw golf had better collision detection and breaking. Tesla need to get their s"*t together

This needs to become a benchmark test like "Chuck's corner". Maybe call it the "Lassie and Timmy Test".

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

We can certainly make it happen. We have a part 2 coming your way soon

Is 5 star rating still valid?

How on earth does it not force the driver to take over after an impact? It just keeps driving on its own?? Literally why? Can it not detect a collision? I find that unlikely

55 mph legally allowed max speed an on this minor country road? Find the mistake! Even 45 mph is irresposible there. (On any equivalent road in Europe the max speed would be 40 or 60 km/h which is 25 to 40 mph. Well, we also have about half the death toll on roads as the US).

@mpmpm

3 ай бұрын

There are many country roads in Europe were you are allowed to drive 80 km/h. (That doesn't say you _should_. The 80 km/h is max. You are only allowed to drive 80 km/h if all conditions allow it.) In the US, if you want to get to the grocery store on the other side of the road, you need to use your car in many cases. As In the US, roads are more build for cars, not for pedestrians / bicycles. That will be a factor in the higher death toll.

Wish you also tried the test with just a kid standing on the road, or the side of the road. Good test though!

Weird...I didn't know you could select what version you had for FSD. I turned mine off. I found it was less stressful to just use auto-steer and traffic-aware cruise control.

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

I purposely delayed an update so I could choose the version. Then updated after a couple tests.

This prove that fsd is beta, which is stated everywhere. This is nice input for next version's

Try this with European cars that have a radar unit. It’s a law that new cars need to have “city stop” feature, where car will not run over pedestrians at city speeds.

Did it slow down for the kid or was it slowing down for the corner?

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

From my perspective, behind the wheel, it seemed to me it was slightly slowing for pedestrian as it would sometimes speed after after impact.

well well. good to think about. tesla needs to improve. maybe try slower speed??! (for comparison at least...)

Needed explanation from a Tesla engineer because. People may be driving under false assumption that AEB is effective.

What does "BETA" mean?

Holy shit! The legend is back!

So what I'm seeing is negligence on the part of the driver. Since this would occur using any other driver assist. Also how is it that it passes when tested by other safety agencies.

@seanfyodorovich5230

Жыл бұрын

The CEO of the company is on record calling it full self driving. The blame is on him.

@timangie4538

Жыл бұрын

@@seanfyodorovich5230 the blame is on the driver for not doing due diligence. Also this is not something new. Full Self Driving beta has been around for years and everyone should know that it is a "driver assistant". If someone does not know this then that is the owners own doing. Personal responsibility is still a thing and should take it.

@seanfyodorovich5230

Жыл бұрын

@@timangie4538 Bullshit. You Musk simps amaze me in that you'll excuse everything he says. He's on record with this ridiculous statements on FSD.

It will be ready end of this year ok. 🤣

At this rate, I'm going to be the protagonist from iRobot who ends up almost never letting his car drive itself. lol

The ‘Dawn project’ is financially motivated to protect the interests of a competitor to Tesla. The reality is that full autonomy will eventually happen and anyone wilfully delaying it for financial gain is responsible for the extra deaths that ensue, I hope you’re proud of yourselves.

@datamatters8

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Currently, the system being tested is the human supervisor PLUS the software and that is made perfectly clear when you enable the system. The software today is at Level 2. Clearly FSD beta failed this test. The supervising driver needs to intervene just like for cases with debris in the road, pot holes, some construction scenarios, police commanded detours around accidents, heavy rain, backing the car up, etc. But eventually these and other cases will be handled getting them to level 4-5. I have seen it improve steadily over the last 2 years. Lots of deaths every year on US roads (43,000 in the year 2022 (NHTSA data)) so we should all cheer that Tesla continues to make progress.

2 more thoughts: it might have reacted earlier, if the legs of the kid would have moved so it would have been more typical like a human, but on the other hand, shapes of a moving humans are not always typical. However, Tesla obviously hasn't put much work yet into the routines HOW to react at emergency breakings. You see this also in many nomal Beta videos, that if Beta makes a major mistake, how it then continues driving is usually often in a way that makes everything worse, because it has not been tought e.g. how to deal with not successful emergency breakings. 2. In my opinion, one of the biggest downside of the whole system is that there is zero capability of recognizing or categorizing dangerous areas, in different levels, like driveways were it is more likely, or not, that kids could appear there, school zones, playgrounds, bushes that block sight in combination with possible people around or not, and hundrets of more little differences depending on all circumstances, countryside, town, village, and all the variations. Good human drivers adapt to all that, by being just more cautious and "scanning" more the side areas, or going at least 10 slower or even directly a lot more slowly, just by logic.

@dougferrell7047

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't require advanced AI to do that. They have extensive map data that could (should) have such information in it so that flaky and slow on-the-fly decision s are reduced or not required. Engineering isn't about doing everything on the bleeding edge. Pragmatism wins. KISS

@8118is8

Жыл бұрын

This is true as I hit all stationary pedestrians also UNLESS I see their legs moving. Great observation

@teledoink

Жыл бұрын

Wheelchairs should just get hit?

@mityaboy4639

Жыл бұрын

it detects the “human” yet it proceeds hitting it. then slows down (or stops) even turns on the hazard lights… but then just moves on “it wasn’t me” fashion. even if you are driving on a highway humans and animals could appear… you know broken down car on the side… or a stupid dog runs through it. i would not fault the FSD if it fails at impossible situations… but this wasnt one of them. and not detecting the road closed sign is beyond criminal. you could forgive not registering an obscure or partially covered sign… but this was pretty clear. at this point FSD slogan should be “we will get you or someone else killed… in style”

@Goodhello369

Жыл бұрын

Skaters

So interesting how when the fired Tesla employee does the test it fails. However when safety regulators test the obstacle avoidance it got a near perfect score.

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a source for this fact?

@ruthlessluder

Жыл бұрын

You know Tesla design their cars to pass those standard tests right? It's cheating. I'd trust a ex employee more any day.

@neodark414

Жыл бұрын

@@AIAddict proof kzread.info/dash/bejne/aXqcydpyqrK6pLw.html

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

@@ruthlessluderI agree, programming for passing a known scheduled test is easier than random events, in the most extreme example of this is VW fudging emissions tests by having 2 different modes for testing and real driving, not saying Tesla would do anything illegal but passing tests means you know what to expect beforehand so passing is easier…

Can you explain to all.of us why they never make this error when not staged by you and dan ? Because I dont see any kill person or children with fsd can you explain please

Could you zoom in on the yellow warning on the screen I beleive it says "Warning while your foot is on the accelerator the car will not break" The system will mever counter mand your direct involvement, we when you accelarate in FSD beta it cant break for cars or kids Do the test again but take your foot off the gas instead of wlamming into the kid This is the same shit dawn project pulled last time, but i do like your usual honest coverage of fsd amd this would be a very good test

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

You can clearly see the pedals and my feet in every approach. Not once do you ever see me press the accelerator. Yellow Warning Message in vehicle with black interior says “Add Payment Method To Enable Supercharging”

@mpmpm

3 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict "Yellow Warning Message in vehicle with black interior says “Add Payment Method To Enable Supercharging”": A car should not show such distracting info while driving. If you are parking near a charging system: ok. But not while driving.

Software is ready for robotaxi service in your neighborhood, well done Elon

I'm guessing Governor Neom has a Tesla collection.

it makes me so furious that Tesla hasn't changed the behaviour, that it continues driving after an emergency breaking. Where is the intelligence in the KI, doing an emergency breaking for a (human) object, then the object disappears (because it falls over), and Beta "thinks", well objects can disappear, they are not anymore where they were seen before, so I continue no matter I over run the object maybe. And maybe it stopped only for the kid together with the dog because it was a bigger object.

Maybe Tesla was so smart it actually knew those were fake?? Have you tried to run a test on your neighborhood children?

It worked!! Not yet perfect, for sure. See the potential of the technology, not the present state. Internet was not perfect from day one, for example.

It needs to be empathized more by the company that this is in beta. A human needs to be fully attentive at all times Incase of these situations. The vehicle is not fully autonomous and won't be for some time.

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

That’s kinda problematic considering most folks don’t really know the difference between level 2 and 5 driver assist….

@mpmpm

3 ай бұрын

"The vehicle is not fully autonomous and won't be for some time.": This in contrast to what Elon predicted a decade ago. If he _would_ be right, Tesla's wouldn't need drivers anymore years ago.

I wish more people would watch these videos. There's still a vast difference between what the tech is actually capable of vs what it will _eventually_ be capable of, but Tesla lets the public believe it's already there until they're behind the wheel reading all the warnings on the console. Looking forward to part 2!

@JupiterCrusher

Жыл бұрын

I can’t tell if you’re trying to make a joke and totally missing or not

@6:26, so 11.4.4 knocks 'gently' in to the dog and child. Though after reversing, it looks like FSDBeta just continues to drive over them. Did you override the estop and FSDBeta's memory has been cleared (to why it had stopped)?

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

What does that even mean? 😂

@kopazwashere

Жыл бұрын

Did that car just brake, stop, AND THEN run over the model kid/dog? damn.

I've got... 2,500 points for version 4.58.1!!! That thing was out for blood, damn! Still didn't beat the high score of v1.0.1, though, that version was truly deranged.

This test is not definitive as a child would be larger and I have tested mine with people , bikes and bins and my Model Y stops in time every time

@stusue9733

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know children only can in large and extra large, maybe its a USA thing? But lets see your video. I sure hope the people you were testing it on knew what you were up to.

Thank goodness I can count on the car to maybe stop as long as there's a kid there and only bludgeon the kid enough to stun him, so they can re-initiate thrusters to then run over the stunned kid _and_ dog. Classic tactic, stun then initiate the DPS, just like my ol' WoW rogue.

now test the same with emergency breaking from all those other companies. Because they should all be breaking for kids and dogs. If none of them does, maybe consider building a more realistic dummy like we have them in the ncap test. This isn't even about FSD, every new car these days comes with automatic emergency breaking but likely none of them would have been able to avoid the kid here. same for any other self driving tech the competition is putting out there, I mean let's face it, VW is still struggeling with lane keeping without anyone else on the road...

I believe that the car didnt recognize the figure until it was right on top. It will have an algorithm as to how people should move and it did not act like a human.

@mityaboy4639

Жыл бұрын

maybe so, but hitting something still isnt an ideal solution. we couldnt even say that there was traffic and had to chose between the object in front or the car following or on the other side of the road. but also on the display it shows the little human sign. i mean you would not hit something because you cant figure out whether its a dog, a fox or a coyote :) also: not every human walks the same way. there are physical and mental reasons (and various drugs) for not doing the normal legshuffling process. wheelchair, sticks, missing one leg… an object in front … well.. is an object in front…

@Sashazur

9 ай бұрын

That could be true, but why would it be ok to hit *anything* that’s in the middle of the road no matter what it looks like or how it’s moving? And why would it be ok to continue driving afterwards?

Is that the main reason Elon make FSD available for everyone to do QA for him?

Try...cows, horses or for canada...a moose?

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

We do have a deer for next filming date 😎

I can't trust my Tesla to do basic cruise control without braking for no reason, I'm not going to trust it with FSD.

FSD beta still requires a responsible driver. Setups like this do a great job at showing how bad it can be when driver is completely (deliberately) disengaged from the events unfolding. The warning sound alone should be enough to get drivers attention. Be thankful the car didn't swerve around the dog, lose control and drive you into a telephone pole. If you are the average driver properly supervising FSDBeta, no stuffed animals would be harmed in the making of your video. A child or dog darting out between parked cars is a problem for humans so quite likely that autonomy will not be the end-all cure for this.

@kopazwashere

Жыл бұрын

the software/hardware package does not function as intended. it is supposed to assist the driver in the cases where driver is not able to react for whatever reason. if that is not the case, then it is not self driving. period.

@DrakeOola

Жыл бұрын

Gluck Gluck

@charliefoxglove4471

Жыл бұрын

In this test the child and dog weren't darting out between parked cars, they were moving at a constant speed from the opposite side of the road. This should be ideal visibility for any kind of self drive system. Not to mention a sudden alarm could startle the human driver and make them swerve into a telephone pole. This just underlines how reckless Musk is boasting (lying) that FSD is safer than a human driver every year for the last 5 years then releasing *this* to the general public.

@datamatters8

Жыл бұрын

@@kopazwashere (a few words got dropped) FSD Beta today is NOT an SAE Level 3, 4 or 5 system and no one including Musk claims it is. FSD is still beta software and needs driver supervision which is plainly explained when one activates the software. I see the role of beta testers as a human supervisor over the software running the car not unlike my role when I taught my children to drive. But I'm in the driver seat ready to take over steering, breaking or the acceleration at any time. So currently, the system being tested is the human supervisor PLUS the software and that is made perfectly clear. The software today is at Level 2. Clearly FSD beta failed this test. The supervising driver needs to intervene just like for cases with debris in the road, pot holes, some construction scenarios, police commanded detours around accidents, heavy rain, backing the car up, etc. But eventually these and other cases will be handled getting them to level 4-5. I have seen it improve steadily over the last 2 years. In particular, today when I use FSD Beta on 2 lane roads and it sees a pedestrian or biker it steers to the left of them to give them plenty of room. If it can't safely do that because of an oncoming vehicle or a blind curve FSD Beta slows down and follows behind them. 1000's of pedestrian lives would be saved every year in the US if all vehicles had this capability. FSD Beta is still improving but as I see it this is already a pretty big win. For ref see "cdc pedestrian safety" which notes, "More than 7,000 pedestrians were killed on our nation’s roads in crashes involving a motor vehicle in 2020. ... There were also an estimated 104,000 emergency department visits of pedestrians treated for non-fatal crash-related injuries in 2020." As FSD continues to improve to its aspirational goal it will make the roads much safer for all of us and significantly reduce road deaths from the approximately 43,000 in the year 2022 (NHTSA data). I think we should all cheer this. That's why I and 1000's of beta testers want to contribute to Tesla's FSD Beta program.

@dahitmann

Жыл бұрын

@@datamatters8 So, in other words, it's NOT Full Self Driving. And it shouldn't be _called_ full self driving until it can be used like it's Full Self Driving. Beta is a convenient excuse Muskrats trot out over and over and over and over and over again.

2:18 “it’s not reacting the way it should be”…. I know what he’s saying but More like the human is not acting the way they should

I would not stand in the path of an AI car. They are not ready to deal with living breathing 'road furniture' (aka pedestrians, cyclists, etc)

As far as a kid, deer, dog, darting out on the road and your doing 35 mph etc! There is no way to stop in time for AI, or human. Now going through the caution tape road closed sign….fix that! Question can the AI detect a 12’ by 12’ large white box on the roadway like a simulated over turned semi truck! Good job guys!!!

You say it detected the mannequin, but in test one, that icon popped up 5 frames before impact. It did correctly identify the person on the side waiting to pull the dummy in way earlier. It may have been slowing down for the curve, and the visuals of the dummy corresponded closely enough to a real person only at the last moment at which point the car can't possibly stop quickly enough. In test 2, it pops up 11 frames before impact, and the car does slam on the brakes taking the speed from 42mph down to 39. Test 3 it shows it onscreen 19 frames before impact and the brakes took it from 39mph down to 32. The dog test is a little harder to tell exactly when the impact was, but I counted 21 frames and 46mph down to 45. And your conclusion is an outright lie. It is a bit dishonest to say "it saw the kid just didn't know to stop" when it saw the "kid" for between 1/12th, and 1/3rd of a second, and did apply the brakes. But to say that it failed to stop for a child and a dog is simply untrue. It failed to stop for an unidentified object that was not a child, and when it "ran over the kid" after stopping, that behavior could just as accurately be explained as the car mistook the dummies for a kid with a dog, stopped in time to avoid major injuries if they had been living, then recognized that they weren't actually a kid with a dog, and went on. Self driving cars aren't ready to be let go unsupervised, but as far as being dangerous, the evidence just is not here.

@mpmpm

3 ай бұрын

"It failed to stop for an unidentified object that was not a child, and when it "ran over the kid" after stopping, that behavior could just as accurately be explained as the car mistook the dummies for a kid with a dog, stopped in time to avoid major injuries if they had been living, then recognized that they weren't actually a kid with a dog, and went on.": By law, it is not allowed to drive on when you hit something. Also, the car doesn't have infrared camera's, so it can't know it was _not_ a child. I don't know why you would want to defend a failed computer algorithm, which could not detect the child in time and could not brake in time (other than that you are a Tesla fanboy).

@TheReykjavik

3 ай бұрын

@@mpmpm There was no child for it to detect. And if I hit "something", whether I can keep going or not depends on what the "something" is. If it is an empty trash bag, or a chunk of shredded tire, or a mannequin, I don't have to stop. You are not obligated to remove debris from the roadway. It is remarkable how Tesla haters are just as delusional as the fanboys. You see the car not actually hit a person, and assume that if it had been a person, it would have hit them, which is just as detached from reality as people who assume that if it had been a real person it would have stopped. We don't know how safe or dangerous the software would be if it was allowed to drive unsupervised, so we shouldn't let it drive unsupervised until we have actual evidence, none of which is present in the video.

What strikes me as super weird is that it just keeps engaged and drives again after basically having an emergency breaking. The system should be shutting off and having the driver reengage it once it is save again. That being said Tesla is training their cars on actualy data and realistic interactions, which neither your pulled dog nor your pulled kid is, so this just gives no real indication what would happen to an actual human being. These dummy tests are just super unrealistic all the time and I think this is a big reason for those failures. As we see with more realistic kids the car does indeed brake (not just FSD but the basic emergency breaking installed in every car) as we can see e.g. from the NCAP tests with the Berlin made Model Y which has no radar installed and uses vision only.

Why do you think "it should detect road closed and caution tape"? Has that capability ever been mentioned?

@Nebbia_affaraccimiei

Жыл бұрын

you know the "driving" part in "FULL SELF DRIVING" ? yeah. it should.

@Neclony

Жыл бұрын

​@@Nebbia_affaraccimieiman I would be rich if I get money for every exaggerated advertisment or expression in products. No one but you is responsible for your car, end of story.

@HansCSchellenberg

Жыл бұрын

@@riccardorubin Yeah this garbage product which has been in Beta forever, so you know, everything this garbage product does is ok?

I don't think any vehicle in the world is going to stop in time if some small child or dog quickly darts out in front of the vehicle. A human could not react in time either. You are doing an impossible test of emergency braking. You are trying to rely on technology to do the impossible stopping.

5:12 I really think we could have done with an explanation and not footage of a dog being killed from two angles.

@mpmpm

3 ай бұрын

" I really think we could have done with an explanation and not footage of a dog being killed from two angles.": I agree. A link to the video, but _with a warning for viewer discretion_, would be better.

@nightw4tchman

3 ай бұрын

Yes, agreed.@@mpmpm

Good tests, BUT; this was not a real kid nor a real dog. Yes that matters, because the system may think that dog is 10% dog 90% rubbish. Have you ever seen a dog crossing a road without moving its legs? If no then for example 90% not a dog. Same for the kid; if you see this is not a real kid, the Tesla may also not see a real kid. On the other hand, the road closed signs are what they are, that is a clear FSD-beta fail.

@accipita

Жыл бұрын

I'd rather my self driving car not plough into anything at all

@stusue9733

Жыл бұрын

So you're saying kids with no arms are fair game?

The question is if the human driver can manage in the same situation. I doubt it. Physics. For sure Teslas and humans have no precognition.

It's nice to see the improvements BUT I'm really getting upset now with this latest software update. There is an apparent software update freeze for older Model s owners. The latest update that MCU1 owners have is from February of last year; 2022.8. Over a year old! Owners of older Teslas haven't had any updates for a looooong time. Even owners who originally paid thousands of dollars for FSD can't access FSDbeta because Tesla is ignoring owners of older cars with MCU1. I spent thousands of dollars more for FSD (originally cost $8,000 in 2017) and it seems like it will never be added to my car. Is Tesla deliberately ripping off older Model S owners who paid full price for FSD?

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

Being familiar with Apple policy they officially obsolete old iPhones that then can’t be updated with anything but security patches, because a old iPhone can’t run fast enuf for the latest and greatest software, Tesla often is compared to Apple so they may be silently obsoleting older cars, but I dunno about this, just making an observation as an old guy who knows Apple and electronics tech…

@LPerezDancer

11 ай бұрын

@@IndyAvocadoKid Do you think that type of policy instills brand confidence?

@IndyAvocadoKid

11 ай бұрын

@@LPerezDancer the term brand confidence is kinda undefined, like Apple is so popular they don’t usually replace old phone batteries, they upsell customers to the latest and greatest iPhone in production, which explains why Apple is so high value as stock….

@LPerezDancer

11 ай бұрын

@@IndyAvocadoKid I suppose when a company gets big enough, they can afford to push their loyal old supporters aside for new ones eh?

Your title says dogs and children, but the video is not dogs or children. FSD knows the difference

My Audi stops for anything. So weird how such a "more advanced" technology can't deal with a simple child that it sees from a mile away.

@mpmpm

3 ай бұрын

"My Audi stops for anything. ": Which Audi do you have? I once had a rental Mercedes about 7 years ago, it refused to go closer to a speed stop in a parking spot, while there was still some more space. My foot on the gas pedal was not the boss, the software in the car was the boss.

@littlebuch

3 ай бұрын

@@mpmpm 2022 Audi Q8. But I was talking about emergency braking. It does not care for stop signs but It has saved a cyclist that blew a red light and I would have made into minced meat. Also a few cars.

Sorry to hear you own a Tesla.

You’re driving too fast and obviously Tesla’s computer does not process fast enough. Does your car have radar on it or is it strictly camera-based?

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

My car has radar sensors. It’s a 2021. Speed limit of road is 55mph

@jg-bd3hr

Жыл бұрын

@@AIAddict did the other car have radar as well? I’m curious how the camera only version would perform.

My big Q is now answered. Tesla = Dumb Car

Does it stop for a body temperature adult mannequin?

I like your channel and I've even contributed, but using cheap tricks like this 'DLC' method to try to boost numbers is lame, in my opinion.

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

Hello, I appreciate your comment. Can you please better explain what you mean by the DLC method? I’d love to better understand your opinion

@asdfjklo234

Жыл бұрын

@@AIAddict By that I mean splitting a feature into two parts for seemingly no other reason than to make people subscribe.

I think it would do better detecting real children/dogs, moving realistically. That's what it's been trained on. Having said that it still shouldn't have hit those objects. If you boys have a way of safely doing it, do it with real humans next time :)

@tonespeaks

Жыл бұрын

@nivvy19 If it was to stop for paper cuts outs, of things, it would never drive over paper. The problem is that there are 2D Objects for a system that is used to detect 3D Objects. One of the things that Autonomous Systems are designed to do, is avoid being hacked. It is a difficult balance that this video kinds of plays with. Unfortunately for the AI Addict, there is little interest in this demo, because FSD is still in Beta, not a finished product. To date, I haven't heard of FSD ever hitting a person,

That's what you call a dumb car and dumb software.

Fired by Tesla and Got paid by short sellers, I own 2 teslas and they’re perfect for me. They re more great driver than a human like you hehe😅

@AIAddict

Жыл бұрын

I labeled that software your driving and was the individual that would test it for approval. You’re welcome. If you think it drives better than me just remember I helped design it 🤣🤪

Total FUD!!!!

I like how they hid little Timmy behind the utility pole. Why?

@99treb9

Жыл бұрын

They definitely didn’t hide timmmy behind a pole. Tesla just doesn’t detect Timmy until it enters their lane which is really bad…

Elon musk should be jailed for putting those death machines on the road