these types of videos should be shown in a congressional committee with elon watching as a witness

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Our past videos have been submitted to the Congressional Archives by a few senators

@rodolfoyoshii8345

11 ай бұрын

This video is much better as it covers multiple brands: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqamz8mpqrO8gco.html&feature=share9

@Tenniszogger

11 ай бұрын

Hi, I‘m an software engineer, for an automotive company in germany. I just found your channel, I‘m quite amazed, how easy it is, to manipulate the system… As a former employee of Tesla, how safe would you say, are the basic functions, like lanekeeping and acc? I mean, here in Germany, the things are quite overengineered, for most of the stuff. But they work, in every single case. I mean, somehow it is logic, that Tesla could maintain such cheap prices, against the competitors, if all the functions are at this maturity level… Sorry, if my comment is quite long. I‘m just very curious about some insights from Tesla, since I own a model 3 and have been more or less disappointed from most of the assistance features

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

@@Tenniszoggerfor lane keep assistance and active cruise control the system performs quite accurately and safely. High quality results there. The issues start to arise when you start introducing turns and objects suddenly entering the vehicles path.

@Project2457official

9 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict so basically if you put a Tesla on a straight road or a continuous loop like a racetrack it would be fine but as soon as you put it into real world conditions with extremely light tasks such as turning it starts to really stress the FSD? Yikes.

You should make a video comparing Tesla FSD with Comma openpilot. Openpilot is significantly cheaper and open source, so it would be hilarious if it came out on top.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

This is a great idea!

@tobybartlett

11 ай бұрын

I’d love to see that!

@Xanthopteryx

9 ай бұрын

Also compare it to latest Volvo (and of course Volvo does not promise any self driving like Tesla does but i bet it would work better).

Hey man! Please continue posting same tests with new updates coming out. Thanks again!

@AIAddict

9 ай бұрын

I highly appreciate the donation. You’re a real one. We will continue to conduct these tests on periodic updates when possible. We also have multiple red light tests in the works. We should have another video similar to this one before end of year. Lots in the pipeline 🫶🏼

I'm legally changing my name from "Timmy" to Tommy since FSD beta wants me dead.

@Wild8Cat

Ай бұрын

:D

Tesla did collect about 6 billion dollars for this, and that is the result. :-) Many Tesla cars get full self driving final update on the junkyard I guess.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

You have no idea. Especially with this new FSD transfer in Q3, I think it’s a con to decrease the payout of a class action

Isn't it possible that teddy bears and unicorns are just psychopathic murderers?

_"It may do the wrong thing at the worst time, so you must always keep your hands on the wheel & pay extra attention to the road"_ So, the question is, what's the point of having it if you need to increase your concentration levels rather than reduce them for a driver assistance feature? Switch it on for more difficult &/or dangerous driving? Cheers Musk, that's some real genius infinity-D level chess.

Please test the new recall software Tesla just released. I want to know if these vulnerabilities have been fixed sufficiently or not. There aren’t any details about what exactly changed yet.

I think for self driving and cruise control there should be a dead-man switch as for trains. And I love my cruise control. But I absolutely never use cruise control if I'm tired.

Really hope you can have a live stream on these test. Better than a video.

Nice poster, it's Milan if I'm not mistaken.

I'm surprised there is no weight/pressure sensor...don't think its particularly difficult or costly to add.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

To perform this test we added a 2 pound weight to the steering wheel and a 30 pound weight to the seat. Even then, the camera should detect it’s not a human. Or at least detect something is different and turn off.

@TheRacerRich

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict I wonder why in the world they went with a 30lb weight for the weight sensor when already in use airbag sensors are set for 65lbs

@PeterLonghorn00

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheRacerRich What would be the difference? @AiAddict would have used a bigger weight to manipulate the sensors. He did not disclose anything of that manipulation. Only people who already know the possible attack vectors of the system even realized how he manipulated the system. All the other guys who just watch the video have absolutely no idea that it is not an unmanipulated car.

@TheRacerRich

11 ай бұрын

@@PeterLonghorn00 That's fair, but it's quite a bit harder to come up with 65lbs than 30lbs (bookbag). That said, with the danger posed, and given that we expect companies to also consider misuse of their product (that's how products liability law works), they should be required to have a more sophisticated system, which you would think wouldn't be hard since every digital camera now has face recognition abilities.

@PeterLonghorn00

11 ай бұрын

@@TheRacerRich We dont know how he manipulated the camera. We dont know how long the car was driving before and so on... EVERY Level 2 System would fall for this if you just enable it and a few seconds later the problem occurs. I mean even in EU (where I live) the car is allowed to drive without any check for a human being in the driver seat for up to 30 seconds. He did not disclose anything that he manipulated in the video. That does not mean that the system is perfect. It definitely is not. But the video shows an extremely biased version without all the necessary information that we would need to come to conclusion that is scientifically correct.

Oh my god you killed Timmy!

They gonna take away your beta lol

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

I’d love to see them try. They have before in the past (was a long 14 month battle)

Ted 3 - Fast and the FurryOnes Coming to cinema's near you! 😂

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

I’d pay to see that in a heart beat! Let’s go to the Drive In!

😂😂😂😂 I prefere the champaign Version! 😋 AI Addict, THE FUN VERSION OF IIHS

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Hahaha how else will we simulate being drunk behind the wheel? Why with a Champaign balloon of course 🤣

Hopefully these videos are eventually a wake up call as Tesla has proven to be unwilling to police itself. Potential customers need to know the truth about FSD in the hope of offsetting the PR barrage from too many self-promoting koolaid drinking vloggers. This industry needs more governmental oversight.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. A lot of people tell me this isn’t the right approach but its certainly creating a conversation, hopefully in the right direction

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict Just asking you share all the data so it can be verified.

@dramm33

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict Isn't it the driver/owner's responsability to supervise the FSD system? I don't understand how the scenarios in the video are any different from putting a brick on the accelerator and leaving a car, or tying the helm and leaving a boat...

Nice Work. Idk the system of Tesla very well - but the algorithm of mobile eye cams (also object detection, tracking, classification based on cv) needs moving feet of dummys/pedestrians to show a good detection performance. Thats why they use such dummys at NCAP, and so on... But i know that you want to show another problem;) I am a little bit shocked about the bad performance of the driver observation cam inside the car. So far i know other manufacturer use the cam to see If the driver is attentive (line of sight, ...). Now i am interested to see the performance of another modern car in your test. ;)

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

Except they never really explain how they circumvent it. I keep asking them to share their data, explain their methods and so on. I can't look away for more than a few seconds with FSD active in my Model Y, many others have posted the same thing... so why could these youtubers do it? Inquiring minds would like to know... Don't consider this the final word on Tesla FSD, many people disagree with this video and the creators are affiliated with the dawn project. Their findings need to be replicated by others but without them explaining how they did so, how can that be done?

@infinite_monkey590

11 ай бұрын

Well that's a pretty lame algorithm then. What if someone crosses the street on a skateboard?

@zwusozolf1266

11 ай бұрын

@@infinite_monkey590 worst case: watch the Video and little Timmy. As far i know it is state of the Art that the algos work with features/characteristics.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@infinite_monkey590 You can’t make it perfect at first, you have to iterate in controlled conditions as much as possible. That’s why Tesla FSD is a level 2 system that requires human supervision, for now. The models with improve over time as they are trained on more data, they can already predict humans behind objects reappearing on the other side etc. but a lot more use cases to learn. Skateboards, scooters etc. some stuff generalizes, some stuff not so much.

@zwusozolf1266

11 ай бұрын

@@infinite_monkey590 That doesn't mean that the people aren't recognized. there are other characteristics. But the more characteristics apply, the higher the probability that there is really a person there and the vehicle reacts accordingly. I have seen the Performance of other cars with pedestrians. And that works really well. I think the Tesla system ist far away from L3 or higher if the Video Clip ist real.. but this is only my opinion. Best regards:)

"That's my bad, i was sending a tweet"

Good job for this investigative report!

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Thank you Chino!

...meanwhile mine ghost brakes every 1/2 mile at NOTHING, almost throwing me out of the driver seat every time it slams on the brakes!! 🤦🏾‍♂🤦🏾‍♂

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

You are still experiencing phantom braking?

My experience with just the stock autopilot is different than this test on my M3LR 22. It has saved a few times from real bad accidents and alerts helps alot. Just the other week I was switching lanes and this car that drives like crazy comes out in the middle of me merging lanes in high speed. Even though I checked the mirrors and camera before he just popes up driving like crazy. However autopilot detected it and it saved me. But it is interesting to see your test results. I am surprised

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

I think it is right to be skeptical of their results given they don’t publish how they are defeating the various monitoring systems and they don’t share more detailed data. Then they support the dawn project which I’ll let you google yourself if you wish.

@FizzleFX

11 ай бұрын

You are not a good driver then How many accidents did you have before that?! Dozens??

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@FizzleFX Hardly relevant other than as an ad hominem. Focus on the actual merits of the discussion not silly gotchas.

@valuecreator33

11 ай бұрын

Not adding any value to the topic. But I have seen your comments on your hate against tesla and musk, so i am not surprised. So if you tried getting under my skin, try again.

@infinite_monkey590

11 ай бұрын

Well, that's level 2. The weird thing is: there IS a collision warning. Pretty late, but still. And the car is just ignoring itself.

Nice to see FSD fail on this TEST they need to fix this ASP. What version is your car?

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

These tests were conducted on FSD Beta 11.4.4

I can't see how this can be genuine. It can't be this bad!?

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

It’s quite honestly that bad. It’s really that bad. I’m sorry to show you.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

I don’t actually believe their analysis. They need to freely share how they tested, all the data. Go and watch the NCAP videos for the 2022 Model Y and see actual tests performed by professionals.

@dougbfresh

11 ай бұрын

@@danielrolfe1960 I own a model Y who just used Tesla FSD beta and i thought the camera was OVERLY strict. Like if i looked at screen for 5 seconds i'm getting the audio warning to look at road. You also will get 5 strikes before you lose access. This is ...odd.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@dougbfresh Indeed, suspiciously odd.

I can’t even send a text without the FSD giving we a warning

'Full Self-Driving' just like 'Autopilot' is a misnomer. ADDA is much more descriptive.

I don't will take protection to Tesla but you use the whole time a wheel weight. It isn't allowed to use but i also know that some drivers use this. I think that the tesla will stop the fsd after a time when there isn't the weight on the wheel. Nevertheless the tesla should recognize lower obstacles here should tesla become much better.

ah i get it, teddy bear stuff - you over-steer with a pressure pedal on the right driver seat at 2:53 - that position is obvious - than before the impact you release, and the system starts breaking - wow, nicely done! - and i hate u for fakin obv - hope you got paid well

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Huh? Pressure pedal? I don’t even know what that is? Nothing was faked during this video

So why would you do this? This is a system that is voluntary, not mandatory, you don’t have to buy the car with this particular system. You don’t have to buy the car and have the system already before you drive off the parking lot, and like any system, nothing is 100% fail safe. So I just traded in my 2018 Tesla, M3, for a 2024 Tesla MS, and one of the reasons I did that was, because they allowed me to transfer FSD, which was then FSD (beta), and now its FSD (supervised), and not beta, and I’m currently driving on V12.3.6, and there is a new update out there, but I don’t have yet, which is V12.4.3, I believe, but I can tell you that my car today can drive a hell a lot better than I can. So can it detect every object that’s in its path, I don’t know, because I am not stupid enough to try to run my car into an object that I myself can see whether it’s a decoy object like the stuff you’re using or something else, because I am still the driver, it’s my car, it’s my life, and I’m not stupid, and I’m not trying to kill myself or anyone else. So this proves absolutely nothing, except that the people who do these kinds of things are just as stupid as the people who are willing to pooh, poo, a good idea, because they don’t like it, because they see it as a threat rather than something that could possibly save human lives. So I can tell you, my car has actually saved my life, and it has done so on more than just one occasion, because I almost, always drive using FSD, because that’s the reason I bought a Tesla in the first place, otherwise, I could just as well have bought anyone else’s car, because they don’t offer anything special or anything approaching the vision of Tesla in terms of what their future cars/vehicles will be capable of doing, because the car is the robot, something that most people don’t understand, and that Tesla vision is to remove the driver from the equation, in other words their future cars will not have steering wheels or pedals, so you won’t be able to defeat that system, the way you were doing it, because as a human driver, you need those things, but an autonomous car doesn’t need a steering wheel or pedals in order to drive the vehicle, and so the purpose of your video is really of no value whatsoever, because if you’re stupid enough to go to sleep while driving, if you’re stupid enough to say well I can do whatever I wanna do, because I don’t know, I’m just stupid, then you keep doing stupid videos like this, and people go oh yeah see I told you that it wasn’t good enough, no it’s a work in progress. That’s why they called it (beta), and now they’re calling it (supervised), meaning that it is your job to monitor and pay attention to what the system is doing, and be ready to take corrective action if needed, and eventually, we will get to where we want to be which is a level 5 autonomous driving car, and not only is Tesla FSD, ADAS driving system, not there yet, but neither are other guys, despite what Mercedes has been allowed to claim about their ADAS so-called autonomous driving system in Germany, and no place else. So please get a life, as this genie is out the bottle, and no one is going to put her back in the bottle, and if we in the US don’t get this done, you think China is going to quit? They won’t, and Elon Musk has already acknowledged that our greatest competition will come from China, and not these other guys, because they can’t make a decent electric car that people actually want to buy, and Tesla is selling cars, lots of cars, and in August, they are going to announce the launch of the Robo taxi in China, and not the states. Comphrende! Cheers 🥂

Software Update: Now you can do a Hit-N-Run. Who wants to hang around when you have hit something and can get in trouble for it. Now that's AI. Thanks Tesla. 🤗

Id love to see elon react to this

That teddy bear is a menace to the public

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

He’s trying to make it back to the movie set of Ted! Can you blame him? :P

The first and only time I've used beta I texted on my phone for 10-20 seconds and got a strike

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Interesting 🧐

@BG-xb5hu

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict I drove about 500 miles and got 4 strikes within 4 days of getting a new model Y.

Lol this is too good 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

i am not pumping tesla for this, but how come they didnt cancel your car yet? ive heard of a guy getting his FSD dissabled by tesla because of way smaller things than this.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

They did disable my FSD for 14 months after they terminated me. I used to work in the Autopilot department. They easily could pull it but I think I’m protected as I’ve already challenged them legally in the past

@Francois_Dupont

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict ahhhh! i think i remember now. you must be "the guy" that had trouble with them in the past and that is how i ended up subbed to your channel here. thank you very much for your videos and testing. i wish you the best.

Yet another video, in a long line of videos, that makes me absolutely petrified whenever I see a Tesla out on the road

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Sorry to imbed fear into your life :/

@xntumrfo9ivrnwf

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict given I ride a motorcycle, I'm even more scared than an average car driver of seeing a Tesla (given they seem to want to murder every 2nd motorcyclist). Good video, keep it up.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@dontworrybehappy5139 ooooh if it's that scary maybe they should leave the testing to the professionals. Like, look at this... NCAP ratings for the Test Model Y... the "kid running out in front of the Tesla" test seems to work quite well. Google the video, see a real test, not laden with bias.

@rodolfoyoshii8345

11 ай бұрын

This should get you more petrified as all brands are using faulty ADAS: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqamz8mpqrO8gco.html&feature=share9

Few things that puzzle me here: A) if the system is so bad, why risk your life sitting next to the teddy bear, with zero control over the vehicle? B) how come institutions like the NCAP perform similar tests and give the highest ratings for tesla? (One argument would be that the car was not on fsd during NCAP testing, but what than explains poorer performance in different modes?)

@notknown42

11 ай бұрын

b) corruption

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

The NCAP scenario plagues me constantly. It was not conducted with FSD Beta. I really hope they redo it with the Beta stack one day to see another Independent test

Should definitely be regulated because there is always some human that will try some silly ass idea that endangers other road users.

what was the doll made of. you submit some facts about how you did the test. I mean a speed limiter can be wrong. when there is a lot of water on the road, only a few cars turn it off then.

@OompaPompano

11 ай бұрын

Wut

Teddy killed Timmy!

This is really bad that this have still been allowed. But really, don’t try this at public roads yet!

Are you saying “driver martyring system” because that is oddly appropriate

@AIAddict

3 ай бұрын

👀🤣

‪it would be more scientific if you would show all the setup details and live data. you do obvious use a defeat device at the steering wheel and could have done some other manipulations to do act the system faulty🤷‍♂️‬

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Do perform these test we did incorporate a 2lbs wheel weight and a 30lbs seat weight. Regardless, the camera should have detected no eyes on the road or that there was no body at all.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict Should they? Although I do believe in engineering solutions to these problems, saying they "should" is up for debate. They already require: - Input to the wheel - Weight on the seat - Eyes looking ahead You circumvented all of these. Where do we draw the line? Any car is dangerous if people override various interlocks. Saying that, do I think Tesla should continue to make improvements. Yes absolutely. They should definitely detect teddy bears, since that seems to be how you worked around driver monitoring?? Maybe they should do a more sophisticated face mapping tech like Face ID... but do we REQUIRE them to do so? I'm not sure if we should. We could put breathalyzer interlocks on all cars so drunk drivers can't drive vehicles. You'd probably do a lot of good if you advocated for those.

@VeganAtheistWeirdo

11 ай бұрын

@@danielrolfe1960 _They already require:_ _ - Input to the wheel_ _ - Weight on the seat_ _ - Eyes looking ahead_ _You circumvented all of these._ Where are the "eyes looking ahead" at 4:21? That's the point: not only can these precautions be easily defeated by any user, they don't all actually function as described.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

​@@VeganAtheistWeirdo I drive a Model Y with FSD, it you look away from the road it will prompt you and eventually disable the system. It cannot force you to stare continually because humans don't work like that, we glance out the window, we check blind spots, we look at the instruments/display and so on. So you have a period of time before it will nag you and then a period of time before it will nag you more insistently and then a period of time before it disengages FSD and disables it. I would surmise that they started their test run with the teddy bear in the seat, it's eyes substituting for human eyes. I can only assume because they didn't share except we see a Teddy Bear in the driver's seat and later nothing. Once driving on FSD, they removed the bear and recorded a segment with no one in the driver's seat. They will have a period of time before FSD disengages, that is when it runs through the tape, runs over "little timmy" or whatever emotive language they used to get the clicks. So we can't actually claim it's "not working as intended" because we don't really know how they tested it and defeated it. Again, the entire test is laden with bias, it's clear, and that's why this test is a giant nothing burger. If the Teddy Bear can fool the driver monitoring I would like to see Tesla improve that and they likely can. So there might be some win out of the video. Beyond all of that, I don't have a lot of time for claims about protecting stupid people from themselves. Although I do think we should engineer solutions (within reason) the fact is, we let people drive around in multi-ton weapons that are potential death machines (all cars). We have a licensing system to try to minimize the risk. The fact that someone can sit in the driver's seat by actively working around multiple safety interlocks doesn't make the system dangerous, it makes the people who work around it stupid and potentially criminal. I can take a large majority of cars on the road and rig them to drive straight down a road, plough into a crowd of people, those with ADAS can likely be rigged to follow a lane and the car in front. Do you propose that we should make cars impossible to modify like this? That's an incredibly difficult problem to make full proof, people will find a way. Personally I think Tesla has a pretty good set of interlocks protecting their system which they continue to improve. I could imagine a 3D mapping FaceID like system would be an improvement making the Teddy Bear hack no longer functional but it would be expensive and difficult to engineer. Sadly, there is not much to see here. There will likely be multiple other youtubers demolishing this video in the coming weeks.

@jefftc14

11 ай бұрын

@@danielrolfe1960in here making up every conspiracy theory under the sun to defend this nonsense my guy… just stop lol

I really loved your videos before you started to just stage the videos like the ones of o'dowd... hope you get a lot of money for them. But doesn't make you any more believeable.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

These videos are not staged and stay as true to our channel as our other videos. If you think this is staged than you are part of a mindless cult. We take pride is showing transparent results and let you take away YOUR OWN opinion from the content. If your opinion is to think this is staged, that is an okay opinion, but it is the wrong opinion. I’m not sitting here saying it should be banned or anything. I’m just going out there having fun while showcasing true limitations of a product advertised as being capable of much more.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

​@@AIAddict You are claiming something pretty inflammatory, you have to expect there will be some burns. You do need to fully disclose your approach to avoid the driver monitoring systems. I can't look away for more than 10 seconds or so before it prompts me so how did you work around it. You clearly had a weight on the wheel, which is a well known hack, fair enough. But how did you fool the in cabin camera? Is it the eyes on the stuffed bear and other toys? You should give detailed information on everything you did and why. You should also include a full, high resolution view of the screen in the cabin. Previously videos like the ones from the dawn project clearly were overriding FSD by pressing the brake pedal. This was discovered by reviewing the video of the display. You should also supply as much telemetry as possible, there are data loggers that can do this used by many youtubers. Also, the fact that you endorse the dawn project at the end of the video makes me wonder. The founder of said project has a financial interest in a company that develops ADAS in direct competition with Tesla. Sure, he may be genuine, but reasonable people question whether there is an ulterior motive to the effort. Now I question you as well. If you do indeed find issues with Tesla's FSD, then my hats off to you and I think Tesla should work to improve those features. Another point to make though is none of this makes FSD substantially more dangerous than modifying any vehicle. You can put a brick on the accelerator and tie the steering wheel and virtually any car becomes a weapon. Other modifications to steering mechanisms, throttle cables could achieve similar things. Car makers go to some reasonable lengths to mitigate this, but as of yet we haven't required them to make it almost impossible. As for hitting the "kid" dummy, I would trust the tests done by governmental crash test agencies around the world in this regard. You may be setting an impossible task for the car by pulling the dummy in front of the car while it's traveling at 45 MPH when it's almost impossible to stop. I do notice from the display in the car that as soon as it sees the dummy, it's slowing (the backwards arrow animations on the blue bar extending from the front of the car on the display).

@PeterLonghorn00

11 ай бұрын

​@@AIAddict If you need to buy and use stuff that is illegal in most countries in the world (weight for the steering wheel) and you have to use heavy stuff to simulate someone sitting in the driver seat (that was wrong in your video! You said there is nothing in the driver seat but it is clear that there has to be at least some weight!). Then it is staged! You did not get into the car on the driver seat and just started the trip. You manipulated the driver seat. You manipulated the steering wheel. You had to change something. You had to missuse it. What is the meaning of preparing something beforehand so that the wanted outcome is achieved? To stage something... ok english is not my main language but I am absolutely sure that it is this way. There are A LOT of things that are bad and need to be fixed with FSD Beta. I dont even know how bad it really is because in my country it is not allowed to test it. But the way o'dowd is using false and staged claims is just ridiculous. And you are clearly learning from him. @4:00 you clearly just filmed the top of the seat to make it look like there is nothing in it. WHY? Why don't you show the real picture with the weight in the seat? It would absolutely make no difference in your point because you would be right that if you manipulate the car it will not do what it should do. But why did you think it is necessary to hide this information? You clearly did not try to make a fair test or even a fair video. Just show us fair videos where you test the system how it is supposed to be used. That's very informative and objective! But not such crap videos where you are just delivering staged szenarios that are clearly paid by o'dowd. He is not believeable. He is biased and has proved a few times that he is also staging videos and manipulating them to show what he wants them to show. There is absolutely no scientific method in this approach. None! And so there is absolutely no gain in knowledge for anybody to make anything better. I am definitely not part of the mindless cult. I also don't believe that Level 5 is able to be achieved by the current hardware in Teslas. But i think that LIDAR is the wrong approach. I think that the current hardware is only able to get to Level 3. No Robotaxi. It will be a good helper and safety win for most, but for that it is by far too expensive. ---- Please stop making such kind of videos just for the purpose of supporting that false narrative of this clown called dan o'dowd. We need objective videos. Not biased ones. Yes. Also not just positive ones for Tesla.

I'd really like to see a video of the battery range scam and how the scam is perpetrated.Some say that Tesla programs each car with the wrong tire size on purpose which in return fudges the actual mph and odometer readings making people think theyre driving longer mileage than they actually are.Can you do one on the effects would be if the speed sensor starts failing too and whether it affects how the car perceives range against battery charge of whether its controlled by software because Im convinced Tesla is controlling everyones ranges and what they see on the screen.Do a test on actual marked miles against the accuracy of the odometer too..Thanks

@camtwo1466

11 ай бұрын

Just in case you were wondering WTF ...Heres the deal..My neighbor pete has a P100D and he charges it up religiously to only 90% and the other day Pete went the same 3 miles like hes done for years in his other cars and when he looked at his odometer he swore the car must be out joyriding by itself because when he looked at his mileage since last charge it stated he already driven 51 miles and the range was down to 228 miles..Before the trip he looked and it stated he had a range of 279 miles and like I stated he went only 3 miles actual. He didnt use any of the fancy gizmos either.How can this be possible?Oh and another thing is his car accrues forward mileage going backwards then we also noticed the tire size input was smaller than the actual tires and theyre factory installed......Can you shed light on these issues and how its not illegal for being considered as odometer fraud too?

As a pedestrian, I say ban it. (For those of you who drive everywhere, a pedestrian is basically an adult version of Little Timmy. There’s a lot of us on the East Coast)

Now that AI Addict made the Los Angeles Times maybe someone who can do something about it will listen.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

We really hope so! We met with the DOJ and Attorney General last week and told them about this film. Sadly bureaucracy is slow

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@dontworrybehappy5139 I sincerely hope this video is not considered sufficient evidence to shut down anything. Evidence presented in a clear, unbiased manner and tested properly is what I am looking for.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@dontworrybehappy5139 It failed because people used it while ignoring the very clear instructions. CEO says his company’s products are awesome, newsflash! I mean, hate on Elon if you like but if someone willfully ignores all the instructions they are culpable IMO. I can’t stand a society where we pretend everyone is an idiot. FSD is currently a level 2 system akin to a very sophisticated ADAS. They outright tell you it can do the wrong thing, it says it right there on the screen when you sign up. The idea is that you are driving an developing ADAS and you must monitor and be aware and it will learn and improve over time and that’s exactly what has happened. If it does something wrong, you intervene just like any ADAS system. When it has improved to the point it doesn’t need monitoring anymore then the terms will change.

@billb4930

11 ай бұрын

@@dontworrybehappy5139 Tesla's are logging an estimated 1 million miles per day under FSD beta and have been for many months. Every serious issue is national news. When another manufacturers car on cruise control plows into an emergency vehicle because the driver is drunk, texting or not paying attention it is not national news. Where are the recent reports about Telsa? There should be MANY more stories if the system was anywhere near as bad as this suggests. Despite the HUGE increase in usage and miles driven you will notice that the horror stories are mostly isolated examples of drunk or sleeping drivers from several years ago. Tesla has made some comments overselling the future capabilities to someone who is a casual observer but you can't buy or use a Tesla without being made VERY aware that the system currently requires a fully alert driver ready to take over immediately.

How could you not trust Elon? He’s looking out for everyone’s best interests, see how he’s improved twitter? 🙄

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

In Elon We Trust 🫡

Good to know you can still wedge an orange in the wheel and go to sleep. Thanks Elon!

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

You bet! Anytime! Haha

good, but that guy's face, you can't unseeit

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Which guys face?

@squirrel_of_mistri8565

11 ай бұрын

Are you talking about the teddy bear?

The video should include all the disclosures in the "more" section such as the weights used in the steering wheel, seat, also the FSD Beta version in use. For further validation the testers should also get other cars manufacturers and apply the same tests, while applying the system manipulation techniques to attempt to fool the system.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Refresh video. I’ve added a pinned comment below the description section to allure the viewer about how we obtained our results. Hope this helps

@MichaelDeLucaEE

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict But isn't literally every other L2-capable car susceptible to being abused in similar fashions? That's the point of L3 vs L2. With L2, if you abuse the system, just like if you drive badly, or intoxicated, or make illegal alterations to your car, you are liable.

You didn’t mention you are still pissed at Elon for sacking you.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Because I’m not pissed. I got a 60% raise at my next gig

Jesus, who long before someone use this, has a weapon.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Someone could use this “bug” to make their car a mighty good weapon

@TroyWuelfing

11 ай бұрын

I use my Toyota cruise control as a weapon all the time and no one is complaining about that.

the registered owner is still responsible. Then they can sue elongated muskrat, from prison.

Didn't you used to work at Tesla? 🤔 (Serious question)

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Yes I was employed by Tesla from August 2020 to February 2022. I have nothing against the company as a whole.

@TheMadmax0609

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict I thought you were the one who got fired... Just checking. 👍

You working with Dan O'Dowd has dramatically decreased the quality of your videos recently. It is clear he has significant influence on your content and you and him are twisting the narrative to make it look as bad as possible for example by not disclosing the wheel and seat weights immediately and upfront in the video itself, only referring to a "simple but clever workaround", and leaving the mention that this was paid for by Dan O'Dowd and The Dawn Project to the very end of the video. Adding your disclosure to the description and pinned comment as you have done over 9 hours after publishing the video is clearly only due to backlash from other commenters, I'm sure you would have never added it if you could get away with it. Also, at 2:21 you said the car hit the 'child' twice before it started slowing down which is just plain false. It was applying emergency brakes and beeping before even hitting the 'child', even if it was unable to fully stop before colliding. I agree that Tesla needs to do better with their obstacle detection and driver monitoring, but you don't need to resort to Dan's dirty tricks and misleading content to complain about that. Do better. P.S. Upcoming FSD beta release notes mention 'generic obstacle detection' using the occupancy network, so I would actually love to see that re-tested on that new version when it's available.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

Totally agree Matt, I've commented the same numerous times on this video. At first I thought they were just a bunch of kids who didn't know too much about what they were doing, then I saw the dawn project reference as the end and it completely changed my perception. The worst is that then you see people commenting and have obviously just taken this all at face value. I have no problem with people trying to find flaws in FSD, I do it all the time, I drive the beta and report disengagements whenever they happen. However, this feels disingenuous and with an ulterior motive. Shame on them.

5:33 It should be banned. Want an automated system that drives safely without user input? Metro system.

Thanks John for the great work. I believe in FSD but it is terrible right now.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Thank you and agreed. I have faith they can turn it around but right now it’s horrible

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict That is not the experience of many people though, so how can you claim to make a blanket statement like that?

I smell lawsuits coming 😮

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

👀

IF you'd do that in Germany on a non-closed off public road you would instantly lose your driver license for at least a few month and require a MPU (translated to medical-psychological-evaluation) before you are allowed to drive again. Which means: More than a year without driver license at least. I HOPE you did all that on a private closed off area without public traffic. As for the stuffed animals: Everything can be manipulated, and this is would count as a "malicious attempt to deliberately endanger traffic on public road with no regard of safety". If anyone gets caught with that on a public road, it would break the limit of every "common sense" thinking.

@notknown42

11 ай бұрын

I would prefer driver looses license for a lifetime.

@JouMxyzptlk

11 ай бұрын

@@notknown42 Due to medical condition I have to do that test every three years, and it is easy to make it. And I see others which have to do the same test, and most of them can't make it on their first try like I always do. I am always within the top 10% with my results, and "50%" is what I would need.

What is the difference between cruise control and fsd ? Should cruise control be banned as well? I believe it should be a crime if anyone misuses cruise control or fsd.

regulation will slow down the progress of making FSD safe, extending the time between it being not safe and it being ready to ship out i do feel like it should be at least checked over and honestly, even just having people like you independent reviewers and testes, test the software extensively to find bugs that some pother people may not catch before it gets released and advertised as level 5 fad ow whatever it ends up being

@PeterLonghorn00

11 ай бұрын

He is not independent when he is paid by dan o'dowd.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Dan has paid me $0

@PeterLonghorn00

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict @5:43 so you did not get any compensation? You paid for the trip yourself? Just because you didn't get any money directly doesn't mean that you did not get anything in return. I doubt that the sponsorship at the end ("help of the dawn project") is just out of your good nature. Why did you need the dawn project for your tests and the invite if they did not provide anything?

I call total BS. When I simply look down on my Tesla screen the car nags me and threatens to disengage and then does

@AIAddict

7 ай бұрын

I take it you’re on the new update that actually made DMS work?

@globaldemise

6 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict The DMS has been working since sometime in 2022. I’m always on the latest software and I remember when they activated the camera monitoring because I was constantly being asked to watch the road.

So you get paid by the dawn project now? And you don’t show the exact setup and software version? You install two defeat devices, ignore the rules of the beta and blame it on the car? „Bad Actors“ can do basically everything reckless with any car. My Tesla nags if I take my eyes of the road so there is definitely something happening. If you watch the NCAP videos with dummy pedestrians(including kids), Tesla scored very high and avoided collisions. Why does yours constantly crash into everything? Perhaps your dummys without moving legs etc. are(rightfully)not detected as living things. Drivers are not supposed to do extreme manoeuvres to avoid some cardboard/stuff flying across the road as it’s considered more dangerous to do so. I would expect that NCAP has a quite scientific approach to testing and should be more accurate.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

1) we show in each scenario in the bottom left the software version: 11.4.4 2) The point of the “defeat device” was to prove the Tesla DMS does not track driver’s eyes attentiveness, let alone if there is even a human in the seat at all. 3) the Euro NCAP video is running different software and is not utilizing the FSD Beta software stack. It is not available in Europe. They also have other features turned off in the dash. NCAP has a very scientific approach and if they can conduct the same test in the past but with FSD beta instead of the AEB stack alone then I’d happy accept the results

@Aosome23

9 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict Curious have you tried it with any other lane following solutions from different car makes? Can the monitoring system be defeated in the other cars?

We ALREADY HAVE FULL SELF DRIVING…..it is called a BUS. Driving is fun when done responsibly, if you don’t want to drive hire a chauffeur or ride the bus. If ole Elon would have spent that money on improving charging times or battery range, i would have bought one of those things A LONG TIME AGO. Elon, wake up stop making something most of us DO NOT WANT….improve the safety of cars by making people MORE responsible for their actions.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

You remind me of the a quote... "The Americans have need of the telephone, but we [the British] do not. We have plenty of messenger boys." Tesla works closely with battery researches and charging times and range have improved, but there is a long lead time between lab developments and them being in a car on the road. Spending the money spent on FSD to improve range of charge times would have made little difference. Cars that actually achieve FSD though... will potentially cause a societal shift. Imagine cars that don't need to just sit and do nothing while it's owner is at work or sleeping. They can drive as robotaxis... the number of vehicles could decrease significantly. This would be far more efficient use of resources. That's just one outcome. The other is far safer roads, both a really good things. You don't speak for most of us, sorry. You cannot say what most of us want.

FSD should be LEFT ALONE. Misuse of any vehicle system can cause injury or death. Using FSD as intended, hands on wheel, eyes on road - makes FSD beta a viable and safe, driver assistance option.

Never trust AI - just don't.

@AIAddict

3 ай бұрын

Well said

Broh the wheel weight and the seat weight should have been said right off the bat. How much is Dan O’Dowd paying you? You kind of sold out

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

I will admit the narrative could have been better. However I’m not attempting to hide the fact of how we did it

@bballwa69

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict yeah but your clown sponsor never explains that part so he’s probably happy you basically made a scare campaign advertisement for him. I understand you’re probably upset Tesla fired you but this is a bad look

*Anyone can replicate our results by using a 2lb wheel weight as well as a 30lb seat weight. Despite the “work around” this world class DMS should be able tell, using the in cabin camera, that no human is present or paying attention to the road. These tests clearly show the Driver Monitoring System does not track eye movement, let alone if there’s a human. Additionally, Tesla claims they can detect “cheat devices” but in these tests it fails to do as claimed. ADAS requires an attentive driver. ADAS causes inattention since it is boring. ADAS therefore requires driver monitoring (DMS) to prevent use by inattentive drivers to be safe. Tesla DMS does not detect common inattention like sleeping, looking away. Tesla DMS is unsafe for this reason*

@ms9001

11 ай бұрын

this is the most important info for this test, why didnt you include it in the video and only post it when people asked for it? you intentionally made it look like the DMS is so bad that even when there is nothing behind the wheel, it couldn't detect it. 4:05, you even said "there is no object behind the wheel" when there is actually a 30lb seat weight. in another comment, you said you have nothing against tesla but then your videos are all trying to make tesla look bad by intentionally hiding important information in your "tests" and picking the ones where tesla failed the hardest. it's not even scientific at all.

@rodolfoyoshii8345

11 ай бұрын

Better testing videos out there such as this one that compares various brands: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqamz8mpqrO8gco.html&feature=share9

@rodolfoyoshii8345

11 ай бұрын

From every angle, this is a hit piece against a single company, not a true beneficial contribution to society. Too targeted it loses credibility.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@ms9001 Agreed. Then endorse the Dawn Project at the end.

I think full-self-driving would work better if every vehicle was mandated to participate in a cloud sensor and GPS network, but Americans don’t want to give up the privacy needed to achieve that.

Independently tested in several countries as the safest car on the road. You gamed it and are responsible for all damage as you well know from the instructions.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

The government of Germany concluded in a report this week that FSD equipped vehicles are 11% more likely to crash than non FSD equipped vehicles” You’re right, many countries outside America agree the technology is dangerous and not ready yet!

@zilogfan

11 ай бұрын

Testing has proven it is safer unless you are up to childhood pranks of course like you...@@AIAddict

@TondaVogt

11 ай бұрын

i am german😉source?

@zilogfan

11 ай бұрын

Actual testing by professionals: @@TondaVogt

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict So... would love a link to this. Quick google shows nothing, but I'm always open to data. So please share.

lol the driver detector is better than its obstacle detection.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

I sense a bit of sarcasm in there? Lol 😂

Why did the driver let the car hit the objects? The driver should be aware of road hazards and stop/maneuver to avoid a collision. It’s like stop using an axe and start using a chainsaw to cut wood. It’s not just press the trigger and forget while it cut through all sorts of unintended objects. All modern airplanes can fly by themselves, they are air legal, but the pilots must be aware all the time and intervene to prevent accidents… why would a driver of a car that can drive by itself thing otherwise? Instead of questioning why this car is road legal, you should be questioning why a driver that “drive” the car without the proper road awareness is road legal… shouldn’t the driver has the license suspended? It is like asking to ban chainsaws because if used carelessly by the operator it can cause harm or even kill others…

@jefftc14

11 ай бұрын

You can’t be seriously that stupid….

Banned

This software is being BETA TESTED, meaning "testing" a product that is not its final version and not being distributed to the general public. The drivers who have volunteered this TESTING have been vetted and have agreed that they are TESTING. "The Dawn Project" is bankrolled by a company that is trying to develop software that, if successful, will directly compete with Tesla's FSD. That company is owned by Dan O'Dowd, who has so far spent $10 million to spread misleading information about Tesla's product.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Except you lie in your comment. You claim it is “not being distributed to the general public”. Clearly you’re not educated on the subject matter. Anyone in North America who owns a Tesla has instant access to FSD Beta so long as they purchase it. There are currently over 400,000 public Tesla owners who are operating this software on public roads and US highways.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

​@@AIAddict And yet you didn't respond to their other comments. When you sign up for FSD Beta you agree to conditions which include that you must remain in control of the vehicle. They say it multiple times.

@Martinmack333

11 ай бұрын

it's being tested on public roadways with danger to the general public who have not signed on to be part of the experiment. This type of testing has been irresponsible from the beginning and never should have been permitted. This video is one more piece of evidence in a years long case of corporate malfeasance.

@bradtem

11 ай бұрын

No, beta testing is for a product that is on the verge of shipping, very close to its final version. Alpha testing is for just before that but with internal testers only. Some companies have misused the term, which is why you and Tesla may be misunderstanding it.

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

​@@Martinmack333 Have you driven a Tesla vehicle with FSD? Have you experienced it directly? It's not at all like many imagine. It constantly nags you about keeping your hands on the wheel, it will disable the system if you take your eyes of the road for too long or too often. It's just an uber ADAS system right now, it's not difficult to manage driving with it day to day and it often significantly improves the driving experience, especially on the highway. In this video, these people overrode those monitoring systems using approaches they did not document until challenged in the comments. Yes, someone could use this exploits and have the car do dangerous things. However, I could take a 1985 Ford and put a brick on the accelerator and tie the steering wheel and watch it drive off down the road and do who knows what... This video does not seem to be evidence of much at all right now. They need to share exactly what they did to defeat the various monitoring systems, share telemetry, video of the driver display for the entire test and so on. Without that we cannot be sure that these tests have any validity at all. The organization they reference at the end created videos like these that on closer analysis showed that the accelerator pedal was pressed, overriding some of the systems they claimed to be testing. The founder of that organization owns a company that builds ADAS for major OEMS... think about that for a moment. btw... google "Euro NCAP Safety Tests of Tesla Model Y 2022" to see actual tests of Tesla's pedestrian avoidance systems etc. Jump to timestamp 2:35.

How many human drivers misbehave every day? Starting with emotional, selfish misconduct that takes place every second up to hourly fatal accidents! I would be happier if these occurred many times less often and the manufacturer was legally liable instead of insurance companies not paying because an alcohol, drug driver, penniless car thief, thoughtless speeder or assassin drove the vehicle. Mandatory FSD is long overdue.

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

I agree that FSD could not come sooner to every vehicle to inhibit the issues you mention above. However, they need a proper working driver monitoring system for it to be truly effective until the system is good enough to remove the driver all together. Sadly our video shows the DMS isn’t quit there yet. Soon though we hope it will be good enough.

Shit this is bad 🙈

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

It’s shocking bad. I was not expecting such bad results when I started this test.

@TondaVogt

11 ай бұрын

its conducted to be bad😉

@danielrolfe1960

11 ай бұрын

Go watch some other videos. Watch the NCAP testing videos of the Tesla Model Y, search youtube. Don't form an opinion based on one, potentially biased video.

This is wierd

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

How so?

@LondonerBerlin

11 ай бұрын

@@AIAddict how come this Elon AI software cannot detect that an inflatable unicorn is driving the vehicle ? how come it can't see Timmy? Is the AI software a con ?

You had to have done more than just shove a stuffed animal there. The seat weighs you to see if a person is there and does monitor your eyes with the camera. I call bullshit. If anything FSD Beta is too cautious in deciding if I'm paying attention or not since it beeps at me if I'm just squinting from the sun so I have to make it clear. I know that it stops for kids too. A few weeks ago a 2 year old ran into the street in front of me following his dad that was way ahead of him. I would have stopped in plenty of time myself but the Tesla stopped first. Then the idiot father just yelled at his kid when he should have been with him the whole time.

Total click bait title. How does this bypass eye tracking?

Incredibly poorly constructed arguments here. Bad job. Be better.

@mattesrocket

11 ай бұрын

? be more precise

@exploringapis4495

11 ай бұрын

This was pretty scientific to me. Tesla needs to do better lol

@papagunit

11 ай бұрын

What poorly constructed argument do you see here?

@AIAddict

11 ай бұрын

Incredibly poorly constructed comment here. Bad job. Explain more.

@TondaVogt

11 ай бұрын

it would be scientific if they would show you all the setup details and live data. they use a defeat device at the steering wheel and could have done some other manipulations act the system faulty🤷‍♂️

Totally BS!