Love the appreciation of smaller countries military industrial power

@Etendard1708

8 ай бұрын

To be fair.. Serbia isn't that too small. It inherited all the R&D results of the Yugoslav era.. most of Yugoslav military industries are centered in Serbia, in Beograd where the capital of Yugoslavia was.

@NichtHailo

8 ай бұрын

@@Etendard1708 well that is true in the departments of institutions and research departments, but most of the parts and chasis were manufactured in croatia and north macedonia. But generally yes, Serbia got a lot of industry might by that. In other Contrast aerial Industry was based in large part in herzegovina so that is also what may be lacking in that industry

@Bababoy6969

8 ай бұрын

Tbh serbia is small but it enherited a giant military industry and companies it has very nice equipment

@markosic9928

8 ай бұрын

​@@Etendard1708In 1999 almost everything was raised to the ground, but most important thing stayed untouched and that is "know how".

@lazarduke6596

8 ай бұрын

@@NichtHailo Only "productions" were as you said in Croatia, Macedonia and Herzegovina, or if you want all over former Yugoslavia, ....but the brain, which means full expertise, ideas and development was always in Serbia that only had and still has long military industrial tradition and expertise

Serbia is doing a great job, despite a still small but steadily growing economy, the engineers of the Serbian defence industry always manage to find very good and effective solutions to strengthen their army. Just look at this modernisation of the M-84 main battle tank, or even better the "Nora-B52 Perun" howitzer! It is also interesting to see how strong Serbia has become in the field of combat drones, you can see that Serbia is analysing the war in Ukraine very well! However, Serbia should definitely upgrade its logistics or strengthen and supplement its logistics. For example, trucks for the transport of war equipment such as tanks. Or many new vehicles that are not directly used in combat, such as diesel tankers. It cannot be that soldiers are still driven around in the TAM-150 of the 60s/70s! Great! Keep up the good work and prepare for the "unexpected". God bless Serbia and their Friends!

@Bababoy6969

8 ай бұрын

I was in partner 2023 i can confirm there isint a single military technology and equipmept that serbian engenieers cant make

@honk5468

8 ай бұрын

serbias military is a fucking joke lmao

@valterferletta7838

8 ай бұрын

The problem is they modernise 1-2 tanks at the time…

@Bababoy6969

8 ай бұрын

@@valterferletta7838 they have around 6-10 rn and thats because the project tho is approced its not yet finished and they are still uograding the as1s

@repuIsive

8 ай бұрын

if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, america uses 40 year old designs too

I wrote and published a book several years ago and in the later chapters a country (Cabinda & Zaire - provinces of Angola) rebelled and they were able to get their hands on ten M-84AS1's (this was in 2014) which formed the backbone of their armed forces. The 10 MBTs managed to, with assistance, hold off the Angolan Army's first major offensive against their fledgling nation. Because of this, Serbian military military hardware became the vehicles of choice for this oil-rich country. So, when Kuwait said 'no', Cabinda said 'YES' to the modernization program. Cabinda remembered who their friends were. Mind you this is just a fantasy, but I like to think the M-84AS1 could have been the dominant tank in southern Africa, especially in a defensive war as I imagined it. Go Serbia!

@exocet1

8 ай бұрын

love to get your book

@jamesdosher2057

8 ай бұрын

@@user-mr9ob9xd7f ~ Damn Wikepedia! I thought it had already entered modernization by 2014. I guess they will have to use the M-84's ... which should have a tactical edge over the tanks in the Angolan inventory ... right? And thank you for your response. I like having my stories as accurate as possible.

@jamesdosher2057

8 ай бұрын

@@user-mr9ob9xd7f ~ also, in the story, Russia is looking at a possible showdown with China so would have requested, through back channels, the Serbians help out as much as possible and as long as the financing was good.

@bagobones9891

7 ай бұрын

Where could i buy your book?

@jamesdosher2057

7 ай бұрын

@@bagobones9891 ~ the book is in a series called "Life As A New Hire", but we aren't to that section yet. Worse, I lost both my publisher and manager last year and haven't gotten off my ass to complete the series and the battle happens near the conclusion of the series - I often write in chunks then tie the various chunks together into a composite whole. If you want, I can send you what I have for you to look over and tell me what I got right, as well as wrong.

Even if I'm more of a fan of modernized/licensed production that end up making different vehicles out of original like "long T-72" of TR-125, it's still nice to see all these projects covered.

you can see me at 12:07 explaining to my friends what tank can do cuz at batajnica exebition earlier this year i was let to see inside that tank for brief moment before they closed it and from what i could see commander has 2 or 3 screens i dont know for what and gunner has couple as well (i saw 1 for sure)

This channel should be awarded for going through all variant names and abbreviations. An amazing job!

@Tank Encyclopedia Thank you for your in-depth video on the history and progress of the M-84AS2 upgrade/modernization progress. Kind regards from Serbia! ❤💙🤍

Thanks Tank Enc for giving some spotlight to my nation.

Man this channel is amazing. It's good to a channel covering lesser known nations military hardware. I hope you will cover hardware from other cluntries like India, Tueky and Indonesia in the future.

A external generator engine for axillary use to power the tank when the engine isn't running would be good. The T-72 BP3M engine would be better too (1130HP). The tank after that upgrade would be able to duel with any western tank quite handily.

@miladinseratlic5984

8 ай бұрын

We are not able to import ANYTHING from Russia in last 2 years and who know for how long in future...

M84as2 je najprecizniji i najizbalansiraniji tenk na svetu. Što bi ukratko rekao NAJ bolji, odnos cena kvalitet. 🇷🇸🥃😎

@justpassingby1656

8 ай бұрын

Volimo i mi naš tenk, al nemoj baš da lupaš gluposti 😄

Hello from Serbia!

interesting fact, Serbia is one of the first countries to adopt 6.5x39 mm Grendel cartridge as their future standard round for new modular M17 (M19) assault rifle that has ability to change barrels and calibers in field, making the rifle from CQB firearm to DMR or marksman rifle all thanks to 6.5 grendel, also it can use 7.62x39 and older standard 5.56x45 nato calibers (when appropriate barrel and bolt is replaced) , bit of the strain for production and logistics but Prvi Partizan Užice can take care of that, since they produce and export all of those munitions for longer time already.

@Klovaneer

8 ай бұрын

Multicaliber&modular firearms have been a hot topic for decades and they never worked out - you are always left with extra weight or compromised reliability for a given design. 6.5 Grendel is a great hunting cartridge but it doesn't have .223/5.45's low recoil nor .308/x54's barrier penetration. But at least it's not whatever the hell US is adopting.

@alexanderp8037

8 ай бұрын

6.5 grendel has 50% less wind drift and can hit targets up to 800 meters but is effective around 500 meters and contains double the amount of LB ft of energy compared to 556. On 500 meters it contains around 800 LB ft while 5.56 is reduced to 280 LB feet the power of a 9mm round (doesn't penetrate armor). Only problem is 6.5 needs a 20' inch barrel its more or less a round for a bullpup. Anyway i've seen the M19 MCS and it look pretty impressive its truly a next gen AK only 50% of the parts are compatible with AK the 50% is new design. Only problem is the cocking mechanism which is T handle like on a AR15. Also the gun doesn't have a last round bolt open. Also it needs to be tested if it holds zero when the barrel is swapped the AUG does so i expect this one as well. Its truly a next gen AK, the AK12 should have been like this

@Klovaneer

8 ай бұрын

@@alexanderp8037 You could replace grendel with .357sig and 556 with 9mil in the text. Only reason Serbia had this much headway with 6.5 is that they never adopted a low impulse cartridge. In my humble opinion next gen AK should not be half a kilo heavier than AKM and AK-12 just should not have been. AK-74 receiver and barrel are as optimized as it is possible, there is not a single thing to fix in there (or at least no one managed so far).

@StefanBlagojevic

5 ай бұрын

@@alexanderp8037 The "T" charging handle has been removed from serial production Zastava M19 MCS. It was replaced with a side charging handle that can be moved to either side to accommodate the operator.

@alexanderp8037

5 ай бұрын

@@StefanBlagojevic T charging handle does give alot of advantages in reliability when it comes to keeping mud out of the system in retrospect i understand the descision.

The name of the video is f amazing

Bro think it was T90 . Dio: you expected T-90? But it was me! M-84!

@TheWolfDude91

8 ай бұрын

why did this make me laugh?

@kakakiri2601

6 ай бұрын

​@@TheWolfDude91Jojo reference

Last version of M-84AS2 is upgraded with cooperation with French THALES on NATO standard...greets from Serbia 🇷🇸

*The T72 is such a great tank.* One thing I would mention is that the age of fast armored assaults...is over. The triangle is changing as maneuverability is no longer as important as it once was. Tanks are going to get hit.....and maneuverability can no longer be relied upon to save the crew as much as once before.

@Klovaneer

8 ай бұрын

The "age of fast armored assaults" as you imagine it never started - tanks were always vulnerable but that never stopped them from being most protected mobile firepower, literally their definition. Every "blitzkrieg moment" was caused by massive strategical failure on the receiving side, be it france 1940 or bradleys picking off iraqi tanks that survived USAF.

@lilestojkovicii6618

8 ай бұрын

You are really drawing conclusions out of the poorly conducted proxy wars aren't you?

@Klovaneer

8 ай бұрын

@@lilestojkovicii6618 I mean you can check out the iran-iraq war - that was a pretty symmetrical combined arms conflict on open ground, with WW2 levels of recon and probably worse logistics - plenty of chances to get all armor spearheady.

@thomasg4324

8 ай бұрын

@@Klovaneer _"The "age of fast armored assaults" as you imagine it never started"_

@thomasg4324

8 ай бұрын

@@lilestojkovicii6618 Not at all. Try again.

they really should do something about the old composite armor

Keep it up guys!!! Great content!!!

Quiet an intersting upgrade package.

The K5 plates on the front hull sides aren't meant to directly stop much - the goal with that installation is to increase the angles the side armor can resist an incoming shell offset from the front

whats its ammo count? standard t72 has lots of ammo scattered in turret. if they removed that it can get quite some space fo new gear. on the other hand if old systems were replaced with new and smaller one surely that can mean more space

This tank use older Merkava 3 APFDS amno updated from 120 to 125mm, maximal penetration 500-510mm

Stara dobra vremena

@STASHYNSKYI

8 ай бұрын

Kakva stara vremena? Šta lupaš ti? Tenkovi sa novim sistemima i ugradnjom.

@Average_Crack_Addict

8 ай бұрын

​@@STASHYNSKYIajde idi kod ujaka da te puni.

I think it's better to hang on and develop a 2024 anti-drone package, rather than thinking oneself safe in a 2021 anti-drone package. Would have like to have heard what the reverse speed is on those things. That's the biggest mobility fail in Soviet tanks.

@zoki.to974

8 ай бұрын

soviet tanks were not designed to reverse on battle field, only full speed forward. for reverse speed consult french tank makers :) sorry frenchies, just a stereotypical joke

M 84 was fight in kuwait, this tank was on top 3 best tank on world. Any way m 84 a 4 is also good modernization, but m 84 as1 as 2 is best moernization of t 72 based tanks

Didn't the basic T-72M still have hull composite?

@MotivationSHCUM

8 ай бұрын

All T-72s have

well as we can see in Ukraine, any armour is good as long as it do not recieve kornet or juvenile atgm. Leopard 2 a6 burns the same as basic t72 not even upgraded so there is that fact...

@user-xu6vx7bh4b

8 ай бұрын

You are right, neither Russian nor the west expected this. We are basically getting back in ww1 tactics in combination with drones.

Much nice looking than the messy ERA T-72 or T-90

RedEffect's greatest tank ever made!!! 😂

@StefanBlagojevic

8 ай бұрын

@stephenbrand5661 At least you don't have to calculate where your target is while engaging on the move. It's completely automated and user-friendly beyond all military reason... AND... YOU DON'T NEED MIDGETS, in order to operate the tank. It'll even cook you a nice cup of coffee too. ;-)

@crow2937

7 ай бұрын

He never said that? he said that it's one of the best t72 modernizations out there.

The T84 Oplot hast solve the Blow of turret Problem they saparet the ammo from the Crew

lil typo in the header

👍

Excelent coverage as always! Can we see a coverage of the croatian armor or any other balkan country? i think it would be interesting to see how is the shape of those country's today!

The M84AS2's are great vehicles, although one big point is bugging me, if they're made from stock M-84's and not M-84A's, than that means they do not have composite armour, and that's quite bad.

@youmad7068

8 ай бұрын

M-84A is more numerous in Serbian army so probably they are the ones being modernized.

@niksonrex88

8 ай бұрын

That makes absolutely no sense, where did you find that info?

@saucy743

8 ай бұрын

@@niksonrex88 The video literally stated that the original M-84 (T-72M) had no composite armour. And if they're upgrading stock M-84's then that's quite bad.

@niksonrex88

8 ай бұрын

@@saucy743 keyword “if”. It wouldnt make sense, we have more As and whats the point in upgrading the classic ones….

@saucy743

8 ай бұрын

@@niksonrex88 if has always been the keyword, and if the "if" is true, then that's quite bad. Because a modern-ish tank with no composites in 2023? Not a good outlook.

bobs simple tank beats all!!

@8:16 Could that be something to observe and or target air enemies?

@StefanBlagojevic

5 ай бұрын

@BrewBlaster Yes, it's a Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer, when the commander spots a target, he can override the gunner's controls and rotate the turret at a moment's notice to that priority target.

I ❤ Milos

Make this channel in Portuguese too please

But, but ... can it reverse?

@CarkoMetina

8 ай бұрын

No

@bocko159

8 ай бұрын

No, only forward. Reverse is for american and british old dogs tanks from 80s

@ivanlazarevic78

8 ай бұрын

Serbian tanks never reverse 😁

@stevanjakovljevic8390

8 ай бұрын

No , they are designed to go strait in Prizren .

@02suraditpengsaeng41

8 ай бұрын

​@@bocko159 this guy are clueless how much death wish can be for actual tanker

His better than Leopard, good tank

Always funny hearing Americans try to pronounce Thales 😋

@LoisoPondohva

8 ай бұрын

"From Fails"

Did they fix the slow reverse speed?

@unlearningcommunism4742

8 ай бұрын

No. It only goes forward X)

@kleemann2068

8 ай бұрын

Ne, nema povlačenja nema predaje.

@DelijeSerbia

8 ай бұрын

This is not a French tank!

I was born in Belgrade and my family went through hell! I was in NYC since 84,beautiful times for Yugoslavia! Every summer until the fkn war,I would spend back home! There were 50 of us artist living in East Village and hanging out and nobody knew who was what until the NGOS triggered hatred by using hooligans and IMF as a weapon! It was training ground for future ideas in dealing with Russia and China, named by CIA, The Belgrade System! Yugoslavia was easy as it wasn't allied with anyone, naively believing in live and let live! Punk scene was better in Belgrade than NYC, underground theaters movies poetry literature and sex,drugs and Punk! I served as last Titos soldier 79-80! I don't go home much but Belgrade is built-up like Downtown NYC!

@qwertyasdfgh1014

8 ай бұрын

Bunch of liberal bs..

@matovicmmilan

8 ай бұрын

Hello Pasha! You were born in Belgrade, but didn't you have some property in Ohrid?

Upgrade 9 old tanks for the price of 1 new tank, that should make the bean counters happy. Though to be fair if Ukraine's any guide it might not be such a bad idea. It's not like the new Russian tanks are really doing any better than the old models.

@valyshknee4203

8 ай бұрын

well they are, the t-90, from start of the conflict to today has only suffered 90~ losses, and these are all variants combined, that is a great track record, meanwhile the leopard 2a4 and 2a5 lost around 20 in a month combined, most of them being lost in a single week

@ptonpc

8 ай бұрын

@@valyshknee4203 Ahh slightly more coherent than the usual vatnik but let's put your claims into context. If you have less of the good stuff to start with and you don't put it in danger as often as your other stuff, you will lose *less* of the good stuff. Guess how cars I've lost to ATGMs? That's right none. Does that mean my 16 year old car is better than a tank? Of course not. It's like the Armata. Russia hasn't lost a single one of those in Ukraine yet. Why is that? Oh, it's not in Ukraine. You are also conflating destroyed with disabled, adding in the usual russkie bull, to make your claims sound better.

@mostafamohy8494

8 ай бұрын

In modern warfare there's alot of ways to kill tanks, so they are mostly used as infantry support. A leopard 2a6 wouldn't offer much difference in that role as t72b3, both are big guns firing at entrenched infantry

@BrenoAgmL

8 ай бұрын

​@@valyshknee4203but are the same as Rússia, in the Firsts months a Lot of T80 and T72 get Destroyer in weeks.

@valyshknee4203

8 ай бұрын

@@BrenoAgmL true but due to the t-80's performance afterwards, russia chose to put it back into production this year with some upgrades, like severely increased reverse speed, due to its amazing performance in the conflict, and yeah those losses will happen if in large numbers, its to be expected, but russia is lucky that it has more than enough of these tanks, and the fact they're rather cheap compared to western counterparts,

New USSR top tier premium lookin mint

@filipmare519

8 ай бұрын

nah add yugoslavia as tech tree or sub tech tree

Wonder, why russia never has BIGGER n WIDER TURRET for their tanks ??

@resanana

8 ай бұрын

true@@KiselinaSRB

@mbaktari8194

8 ай бұрын

True but now days there are so many EQUEPMENTS on board . @ least WIDEN the turret PLUS NO MORE ROUND shape so won't be CRAMPED. Keep the height, thou.

@Klovaneer

8 ай бұрын

@@mbaktari8194 thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/t-72-soviet-progeny.html#erg

@user-lu1ue3cd4v

3 ай бұрын

Ça les alourdit et fait de plus grande cible. Les chars soviétiques sont conçu pour des combats en plaine dans la steppe. Et pour rester maniable même dans la boue. Si il est trops lourd il s’embourbe facilement avec la raspoutica !

🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸

How long until Serbia exports these to Russia

@DelijeSerbia

8 ай бұрын

I dont think Russia needs to import tanks considering they have more then the entire nato combined... Serbia's targeted audience are African and Asian countries.

The problem with that tank is armor, or should i say base armor used on it, while addition of ERA is good, that tank still lacks good frontal base armor (talking about composite) and until that aint fixed, we cant call that tank good. We would be far better off just buying new tanks, altho it would cost more, its still much much much better value for money than upgrading these old tanks.

@user-oo7uk2tu2d

8 ай бұрын

Do you think Leopard 2s would Abe a good answer? Sure they are bigger but they have better internal tech, are fast and modern. We can't buy Russian tanks no more due to sanctions so I guess the only good western tank that suits our needs would be a leopard?

@TheGranicd

8 ай бұрын

@@user-oo7uk2tu2d As we have seen in Ukraine 100 older tanks is better then 10 new. Technological difference melts quick in weapon saturated theatre.

@madkoala2130

8 ай бұрын

​@@user-oo7uk2tu2d well, technically leclerc is also an option (if Serbs are going to follow Croats on equipment buyouts, Croats are on the talks to buy leclerc XLR tanks, i would not be surprised if Serbs follow with, like what they announced after Croats bought Raffale's ).

@RedXlV

8 ай бұрын

@@madkoala2130 Leclerc being about 9 tons lighter than Leopard 2 is probably a good choice for the Balkans.

@madkoala2130

8 ай бұрын

@@RedXlV and it has autoloader (since theý still refuse to have dedicated loader training for tanks after m84 had no space for him)

Perhaps the old dog knows new tricks but it still pops it's turret the same as yesterday. This is reminiscent of calling an AR15 variant a new rifle. Nope, just an improvement on a brilliant sixty-ish year old design.

@miladinseratlic5984

8 ай бұрын

popping the turret or not any MBT is hard to survive today... Just look Ukraine... Lancet-3 is killing Leo 2A6 like a piece of cake! One Merkava IV got burned by Kornet-E in Palestine/Israel conflict... 300$ Drones dropping grenades into turret trough 40x40 turret hatch and disabling few million $ MBT. You see, it's not easy neither for "new born" dogs to survive

Abrams, Challenger, Leopard, Merkawa...is nothing for Russian tank, i just can said bravo for east

I said it already and I'll say it again, best government ever that Serbia has ever had. Clear priorities, make Serbia a part of the small elite club of War Thunder nations.

@Fergusius

8 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@zg8661

8 ай бұрын

You joke .Soros = Vucic

@Fergusius

8 ай бұрын

Best government ever? Highly disputable. Plans for modernization were always there but I am also waiting for Yugoslavia tech tree in War Thunder. However, Gaijin did announce it, however not known when it's coming. Take care and remember who brought us pain in the '90s. There were governments who had to clean up the mess your Vucic and others left after year 2000.

@maxi4492

8 ай бұрын

If sarcasm was ever missed in a comment, this is it. Do you really consider getting into War Thunder something that's worth praising the government for? Especially on failed money washing experiments meant wou the public.

@zg8661

8 ай бұрын

@@maxi4492 Serbs on Balkan will be attacked militarily. Terorist operation against Serbs in Bosnia were planned by west.soon in Kosovo and Metohia same.problem Serbs England and USA control government.

First only Serbia is succerssor state..rest were split by usa uk germany ect using parameters when they benefit and dont use it when didnt benefit..and second nati terrorsit attack in 1999 resulted in aftemath of basicly dusmantling army..so start wasnt promising..and you jump from timestamp to other timestamp...if you dont mention use of m84 in desert storm and its superiority. You didnt mention anything

The Mythbusters said it was possible to polish a turd,guess they were right.

@MegaGoran333

8 ай бұрын

Muricans should know with their fail 35, right @lyleslaton3086. 😂

@StefanBlagojevic

2 ай бұрын

@lyleslaton3086 Gaybrams FTW 🤣

The amount of misinformation in this video is mind boggling. Do your basic research next time ffs. Half of the things you said here are not correct.

@TanksEncyclopediaYT

8 ай бұрын

Would you mind backing that up with examples and counter-sources?

@user-lu1ue3cd4v

3 ай бұрын

@@TanksEncyclopediaYT c’est juste qu’elle qu’un qui déteste la Serbie.il dit des bêtises super vidéo

@user-lu1ue3cd4v

3 ай бұрын

@@TanksEncyclopediaYT super vidéo. La majorité des commentaires négatifs seront des albanais des croates et des bosniaques musulmans ! Avec le souvenir de la guerre les voisins ont une haine maladive

"The most interesting weapon system on display": a T-72 ripoff that pops it's turret and blows up as easy as the Russian ones!

@pashapasovski5860

8 ай бұрын

Albanian must be

@justpassingby1656

8 ай бұрын

Tank being most interesting to Tank Encyclopedia, no way!

@nikesan2472

8 ай бұрын

da tovarish

@TheWolfDude91

8 ай бұрын

wow a tank being covered on a tank channel, imagine being respectful and cultured and thanking for the content and knowledge

Revolucija laser firma ISKRA M 84 1983 yugoslaviya