In the 1950s my mormon convert mother said that polygamy was only done in Utah because of hard times & dead husbands, & was only a kindness to "take care of" the women. Even as a little child I knew that was BS & asked her if she would want my father to do that. Lots of scrambling excuses about how now it would not be necessary.

@LadyAshiri

5 ай бұрын

I always found it suspect that "taking care of" these women involved marriage. It just seems a little to close to trafficking for my sensibilities.

@conniet9288

5 ай бұрын

That is what I was taught too. Mainly while crossing to UT, that was a way to take care of the women and children

@chlyri

5 ай бұрын

never mind that many of the women taken as wives were already married to living men.

@gordons-alive4940

4 ай бұрын

Does she know she married mothers and their daughters and married women with healthy husbands? Hard to rationalize that.

She asked such good questions. I'm still so impressed by that.

Can just imagine the hurt and pain of these missionaries who were conveniently sent off on missions abroad coming back home and finding out their wives were secretly married and sealed to Joseph Smith.

@tufflion3344

5 ай бұрын

@@michaelparks5669You just called me a Liar?? Was I alive in the mid 1800s? You embicile. What the fk you on? I said imagine. How would you feel if your wife was secretly married off while you went on mormon mission at that time?

Break the silence. Break the cycle.

This is still one of my favorite episodes ever. To see poor Eve grapple with the lies in real time was fascinating and heartbreaking and shocking. Such a brave young woman, and so well-done.

As a child I was told that the polygamy was due to all the widows left from the civil wars…and that it wasn’t widespread. I haven’t been Mormon for 25 years and I only recently found out that wasn’t true lol

I knew this from my teenage years I read the list of joseph smith wives in the historical record and my grand parents told me about their polygamist parents.

I remember when I was convert baptized way back in the 70's and being told that there was polygamy practiced when the pioneers were coming out west because there were so many more women and it was for their protection.

Very important information, thank you!

As mentioned in the video, Joseph Smith's polygamy was recently admitted by the church in a Gospel Topic Essay "Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo" that is published on the LDS website. That essay has a lot of numbered "sidenotes" linked in the text. Sidenote 24 says that careful estimates put the number of wives between 30 and 40.

@YallAintRight

5 ай бұрын

@@michaelparks5669 can you please explain the difference to me?

@chlyri

5 ай бұрын

​@@YallAintRight it's the exact same thing. this person will just argue semantics.

Eve! Why does your soul bring my soul so much comfort? Love any video with you! Had to edit this several days later when I realized I must have been a little tipsy when I wrote it the first time…

I was on my mission in 1978 to 1980. When I was in the MTC, they didn't discuss polygamy. They basic said stay away from church hisory and deep doctrine. Stay on tract teaching the discussions. Stay away from anything that was controversial.

@Vibeagain

5 ай бұрын

and?

Watching this and thinking about the story the two of you shared where you changed Eve’s phone background to discourage her from getting a tattoo when you were still a TBM. Even though you were being a bit judgy… it’s still hilarious!! I couldn’t help but laugh if I had been Eve in that scenario.

Nice Timpanogos hat, John!

Sounds like her mind is warming up for the mental gymnastics needed to put Polygamy ON HER SHELF.😢

@debbieescobar6267

5 ай бұрын

Oh she is out of the church now.

Cara: The church lied to me. John: Where did you get information Cara? Cara: History of the Church.

@danielclingen34

5 ай бұрын

that wasn't available until relatively recently, the ads church trying to get ahead of their members hearing from outside. inoculation.also that isn't stated in church.

@chlyri

5 ай бұрын

just because the evidence is in their history doesn't mean they didn't try to bury. the vast ignorance of the members is proof of that.

@dalecash2236

5 ай бұрын

@@chlyri Not advertising is not equivalent to trying to bury. The vast ignorance of the members is only evidence of the laziness of the members. The information has been available in church publications for decades, and the church has always encouraged its members to study and educate themselves. To expect the church to broadcast parts of the history which they themselves don't fully understand, and which some find to be controversial is lunacy. Do you see the Pope leading out with the former practice of selling indulgences?

On the question about the "lack of offspring" from these relations. An elderly friend of mine who was born in 1930's proceeded once to tell me about his past sex life. He said that back when he was young, having sex outside of marriage was not by itself considered bad. But what was considered bad was if the woman got pregnant. So he said that a lot of the sex was of the anal type. That was a way of contraception back then. And considering what Joseph Smith wrote about some other ehm cases, I have started wondering if he may have been bisexual. Or attempted to cover a homosexuality by having a lot of wives.

I've been noticing polygamy deniers dropping comments and links in several exmo comments lately, it's a desperately grasping conspiracy theory that seems to be showing up more smh 🤦‍♀

@barbiechopshop9538

5 ай бұрын

@@michaelparks5669 sophistry

@chlyri

5 ай бұрын

​@@michaelparks5669get a dictionary.

I remember this video. The girl looks like she was hit with a stack of bricks. Funny is some still deny to this day that Joseph practiced polygamy

I am going to settle the lack of children by other “wives” debate as politely as I can …. back door only for the other “wives” I hope that is polite enough. Remember Occam’s razor the simplest explanation.

Lol, you know that the emojis mean butt stuff? 😂

@danielclingen34

5 ай бұрын

which would be Joseph using his wives, without getting them pregnant

Were the Mormons the only Christians who ever practiced polygamy or have there been others?

@freyast2213

5 ай бұрын

I’m sure there’s been others out there somewhere, but Mormons are basically the main ones in North America. If there’s others it’s not part of the doctrine, it’s just something they chose to do.

Ummmmm, yeah

Honestly, who gives a flip? Does it make a difference in your life or your observances to stay aligned with your higher power?

@chlyri

5 ай бұрын

says a defender of a cult.

🙃

I will say, I believe that the “Emma wanted her son, Joseph III to be the successor prophet” was a narrative distilled by Brigham Young as propaganda to garner negative sentiment against Emma because she was making it difficult for the church to legally possess Joseph’s properties and belongings. According to “Mormon Enigma” she was not in favor of Joseph III to lead any branch of Mormonism. I love John, but he isn’t falible.

This was a really insightful video. And always great to see you dressed up and sexy.

@CarahBurrell

5 ай бұрын

I’m very dressed down in this pshhhh 😂

@dharmabird1

5 ай бұрын

@@CarahBurrell whatever still works for me

If you really believed love is love, then polygamy should not matter to you.

@rahldawnspencer2696

5 ай бұрын

I agree. They are total hypocrites

@CarahBurrell

5 ай бұрын

Do you know what consent vs spiritual manipulation means?

@yvonnelynn7636

5 ай бұрын

@@CarahBurrell That could be easily said with any type of relationship -- you are avoiding the real point.

@yvonnelynn7636

5 ай бұрын

@@CarahBurrell That could be easily said with any type of relationship -- you are avoiding the real point.

@chlyri

5 ай бұрын

you can believe in polyamory and still scorn situations where polygamy is clearly an issue of manipulation and pressure. god, you defenders really like to grasp at straws.

Joseph was a pimp

Emma never left Joseph. If she did, this discussion may have some merit, but it in fact DOES NOT !

@CarahBurrell

5 ай бұрын

Might have had something to do with the scriptures Joseph “revealed” that said she’d be destroyed if she didn’t accept polygamy. Dunno. Wild guess.

@weatherornot6661

5 ай бұрын

@@CarahBurrell If she thought he was a fraud, and using his position for pleasures of the flesh, surely she would not have been afraid of things he "revealed"

@chlyri

5 ай бұрын

it still has merit. joseph lied and people are still lying to cover him.

@youtubename7819

5 ай бұрын

So “she was asking for it”, huh? Yuck.

The answer is no. Joseph Smith did NOT live polygamy.

@user-fp4lb3ib5t

5 ай бұрын

Y'all should do research with the understanding that corrupt people, hide Jesus on purpose.

@runsprints4life767

5 ай бұрын

The church says otherwise 😂

@TheJordanK

5 ай бұрын

Are you calling the church a liar then? Cause this came from them. Listen to the source they cited. Pick one. Either it’s true or the church is lying. Which one?

@user-fp4lb3ib5t

5 ай бұрын

@@TheJordanK I will not pick one. Silly. Why should I? 😁 One can be true and the other false. The church is lying. Heavily, they have lied, since nearly the foundation. They use vain flattery, to take away money from the poor. In their leadership is actual evil people ... Gross, awful, people... Brigham young built his empire on the backs of slaves. Liar, liar, liar. He was gross. The lie that took it from "Gods church" to "under condemnation " was polygamy. (Which came about from taking the BOOK OF MORMON LIGHTLY. Which specifically warns against this ) This was the law introduced that killed the spirit and mojo of the whole damn thing, for it murdered the hearts of the wives (an important asset for thriving in society, as it turns out 😉) and the children. It also was the opposite of the "image of God " Man and female, created I them." One wife, one husband. God promised his people, the Israelites, of the covenant, this land. Long ago, he planned for them to inherit it. The New Covenants were written a long time ago, for these days. So yes, I can believe in the book or Mormon, and also that Brigham Young was the first to live the law of polygamy, for the New Covenants speak against it 😊 And Joseph's wife never let adultery" near her tongue. Why would a bitter wife defend her husband to her death? Why would she love him heart and soul if he was being unfaithful? God does not speak in vain. Yes, the church lies, but God does not. Men, flesh, do fail, in every area, but God does not. He said he'd restore his gospel, and he has. He's vindicated hia servant already. I'm not here to do that. I'm hear to bind this though, for it is finished. God does not speak in vain, and it doesn't matter what you, or Nuance, thinks. God thinks what he thinks, and there's less kinks in his thinks, then any thinker who thinks.

@user-fp4lb3ib5t

5 ай бұрын

@@TheJordanK Yes, I am calling the church a liar. I can in fact pick one to be true, and one to not be true. The Church has lied since it's foundation, for it is the abominable church. The church lies, but God does not. He promised the Israelites this land. He promised his people, he'd bring again Zion. He promised he'd restore his gospel, and he has. Polygamy was the very lie, that began with the second president, that brought the church from "God's own" to under condemnation. This was because they took their book lightly, which warns heavily against having more then one wife. (wives are important assets to society, as it turns out 😉) so breaking their hearts was a no no. Now, God's servant has already been vindicated. I am not here to do that. But God has began a work again, and he now gathers those with humble spirits and meekness, out from Babylon. Emma never said she lived polygamy. She defended her husband against it to her DEATH and the evidence and testimonies came after, not before. Why would a bitter wife, with a husband commiting adultery, defend him, and love him heart and soul? Never a word against him? Joseph is innocent, but the church is evil.

The Church is wrong in taking the word of some historians. Joseph had only one wife. He had only chidren from Emma. Bigham Young started the practice of Poligamy.