Would love to see you do a battle report using these rules!

@adrians2190

5 жыл бұрын

This I can support.

@robertcanavan8488

5 жыл бұрын

That would be so cool to see!

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

Collecting enough period models would require like a GoFundme hahahah

@robertcanavan8488

5 жыл бұрын

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames I'd pledge to see some of that action!

Avalon Hill was the company that pioneered the "box" game and called it a bookcase game so you could store the game on a bookshelf. Prior to that, board games like those from Parker Brothers or Milton Bradley were in long flat boxes that had to be stored away in a closet. Great video.

This is so interesting. Content has been 🔥 recently Ash!

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Charlie! :)

Ash is the King of the Wayback Machine. Love this idea, show me the books I'd be too scared to hold myself!

Ooh Ash used a cuse word! Great review man.

This was great. Age of Sigmar needs more Italian princesses.

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

It worked for Nintendo

"Legally Distinct Mithril Armour" -chortle. I'm glad I hadn't gotten around to watching this before now. After having lost my job yesterday this is just..nice. And nerdy as heck!

OMG! YES! Its amazing you still have this Ash. Everytime I try to find a copy just to add to my collection I haven't been able to find a copy. Awesome!

Ash, you have two sample scenarios and a rogues gallery full of old school gamers. You know what you have to do. Also, if this is going to become a regular series, I'd like to request Anima Tactics.

love to see games of this on your channel Ash.

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

See the issue would be I'd need to collect enough C-Series Citadel miniatures to do it properly. :D

@johnmiddleton4291

5 жыл бұрын

Like anyone really needs an excuse to buy more minis.

Back in the day me and my friends were into this, and even more into the second edition. At the start no one had any kind of terrain. The best we would get would be a green sheet placed over books ( for hills ), and if you were lucky we'd borrow some modelling moss and use that as bushes and woods. But a lot of that time it wasn't even that - just a table top or the floor ( a green sheet was the height of amazingness ). Used models where we could, but tbh when we started fielding larger armies, we just used to sub in cardboard instead. Had lots of great games. Eventually managed a few epic siege games when that came out in '88 and that marked the end of us playing Warhammer. Good times.

Oooh, the days of no pre-measure. I remember those days so well. Damn but I could eyeball a Bretonnian charge or a cannonball like no-body's business... Also, dude... of course you're afraid of Wizards! Those cads can burn a mate just by lookin' at 'im! I 'eard that meself from me mother's brother's uncle who happened to have been burned by a wizard!

Have 2nd edition still. My best friend's brother had medieval lego and we had a blast running games based on Raymond E. Fiest's Magician series.

Wow! It's pretty awesome that you have that. Thanks for sharing. We've come a far way in: page layout, book design and table quality. Not to mention maps, lore, paper quality...

I’m really grateful that you’re doing stuff like TBT and this, as it allows for people who got into the hobby way after the birth of general war gaming to see the start of one of the most influential and popular wargames. Thanks Ash!

It’s super interesting listening to you talk about the past of this game systems and how there need to be a adventure/dungeon crawl game. Now in the future, this game lives as a fan support game through T9A and the guys at Veil of the Ages are trying to market the T9A ruleset to be used as a dungeon crawl game (which I’m excited for). Funny how things are cyclical. Also, thank you for walking the dog on this one and going into detail. It was a great history lesson!

"determine active player" is gonna be my go to "melee" phase phrase.

I so wanna see this game played. I remember reading old bat reps in ancient white dwarf mags.

I'm feeling real old. I actually bought it when it came out. Remember Tragedy of McDeath?

@neopict5872

4 жыл бұрын

Or do you remember Michael JAckson the undead skeleton warrior hero with the flaming head? It came in one of the first edition box sets.

One of my major hobbies is the study of history and that most certainly includes the realm of hobbies.

I got the 3 first edition books a while back, cost me 30 bucks well worth it

Man, that was beautiful. I'd love to see you go through your catalogue of old games!

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

Over time I’m sure you will!

I can see the third book became the basis for warhammer fantasy roleplay character creation. Love it.

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

And that.... Was a story for another time. :)

This new content you are coming up with is fab! Having just gotten back into 6th edition fantasy this is a real eye-opener as to where it all began. Hope you are going to do them all? Thanks again for all the hard work.

An amazing trip down memory lane . I was 13/14 when this hit the shelves and already had some minis and had toyed with D&D and Tunnels and trolls , this was a boxset that has shaped so much of my later life . Is my memory correct that there are points including for a packet of cigarettes ??

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

You remember correctly lol

Ah, memories..... if you'll excuse me I'm getting mugged down Memory Lane. Jesus, I remember these rules. My friends and I would start a game on a saturday, play the next day, go to shcool through the week and hope my friend's mum hadn't tidied up the table so we could finish the next saturday.

Yeah, more throwback content is awesome!

This has to be one of my favourite reviews on the internet! Had a giant grin on my face the entire 50 mins. Can't wait for next week :)

I know exactly what you mean with paste ups. When I attended Commercial Art back in high school in 87' 88', to get images for screen printing, we would have to work in tandem with the print department making PMTs or what you call paste ups where after gluing all your cut outs to a white glossy page with targeting bulls eyes for alignment, you would then shoot a final PMT that when printed blended all images together making all cut outs appear as a single solid image of text and pictures. This could then be light boxed and turned into a screen for doing screen printing in our case or used in the print department for copying a s a print page.

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! Lost arts! :)

It would obviously be a lot of work, but it would be enjoyable to see a game of First edition fantasy. Thanks for the excellent review!

Have you done a review of the original 40k book? I just reacquired a copy and plan to run some skirmish games with it. Great vid and keep these coming!

In Australia, my friends and I played 1st in the mid 80's until 3rd Ed was released (we skipped 2nd). We played a lot of big games. The rules were simple but fun. About 20 years ago I bought a second hand 1st Ed ruleset and one book was missing the back cover.

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

Yes!!!!

Absolutely brilliant there Ash, oh this really did bring back some very happy memories. I remember doing D&D battles at my local club at the time and hearing this was coming out, me and my mates were so excited we all bought a copy as soon as it came out and loved it. I went on to play all Editions over the years ( some more than others 😉) until it died and now I’m an avid Kings of War player as to be honest rank and flank fantasy has always been my favourite gaming type. Italian Princess 😂😂😂 my Mrs gave me such a strange look when I just burst into laughter, I had my head phones on 😉😎.

For some really ancient gaming trivia. That counter-charge mechanic is very similar to the one in the Wargames Research Group ancient rules. The idea for those rules comes from a comment in Caesars tactical treatises that Infantry were better on the move when fighting other foot. Lancers obviously wanted to use their lances so counter charged. There were other moves like the Parthian Shot which allowed horse archers to shoot back over their shoulders while evading.

Ash, you keep bringing it! I'm really enjoying your content lately. Love the retro stuff.

Another amazing review!!! Do you sleep Ash? SO MANY high quality reviews and content in really short time! The best wargaming channel!!!! The early GW, so many crazy fun ideas... so many randomness and overcomplicated rules...

I have the guy on the front of the box. He was part of a boxed set, Champions of Chaos. I had this original Warhammer too, but I sold it. I think was 2nd edition, cause it had the extra blue pages in the middle added. And the offer to send away and get a dwarf.... cant remember his name, but i had him too. lol

Fuck I feel old. This is honestly just beautiful Ash and while it makes me feel old, it also makes me feel good to remember experiencing it all. I hope you do Rogue Trader for this at some point.

I remember buying a copy of 1st edition of Rogue Trader because I got baited by the "role playing game" marketing language on the cover in the late 80's. I wonder if I still have it floating around in my collection.

This is an amazing review. Thank you for going down memory lane.

Great video, Ash. I don't know if you have a copy, but lots of this initial ruleset, and consequently later Warhammer, is pretty heavily borrowed from the Tony Bath Ancients rules in Donald Featherstone's 1962 War Games book. Specifically, morale, bow skill, and the d6 based armor saves with armor types and shield. Probably why they credit Featherstone and Moorcock in the book, or at leas they do in 2nd ed.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane! I was obsessed with D&D in this period! Amazing you still have your copies. I remember seeing this in "Dragon" magazine and wishing it would show up in a local shop. Also remember around this time Citadel figures starting to appear in local hobby stores. Still have a few lead classic wizards and dwarves, each one a unique character model for your D&D adventurers, designed by Micheal and Alan Perry I think. Did you ever play or see a sci-fi skirmish game called "Strike Team Alpha" that is from a couple years earlier, (78) by "Gamescience Publications"? Far as I remember it was one of the first in the genre designed for miniature play. Yeah, there was some Avalon Hill box games but they were hex maps and cardboard counters. I also remember a wargames based on the "John Carter; Warlord of Mars" a friend had, Barsoomian airship battles. Anyway, thanks for the video,and I look forward to the next trip down memory lane.

The turn sequence sounds really solid. I think it is a shame that they dropped that. I think I've got the box somewhere around here with random old metal minis in it; but, unfortunately, the books are long gone.

Return fire and counter charge .. stuff that should have been kept in some form.

look forward to watching this... yes i had a copy when it came out.... 3 books i think....

Lol makes me want to play it. Do you know how MUCH money GW would make if it like....had these available just digitally? No printing required!

I always wondered what this looked like. Just shows that nothing comes out 100% perfect on the first try.

Great as always Ash, still got my original box set like you and no never cut out the template ☺ I love the vids as you always seem to be having fun and enjoying yourself 👍 all the best.

This is awesome!! Thank you so much for this review!!

I'm fascinated by this series

Is there a chance of seeing some Man O' War from you guys? If not, some more Battlefleet Gothic would be sick

This was the best edition, because I would actually read the rules and buy a level 10 wizard and summon level 10 elementals and win every game lol.

@Ash how about a look at Warhammer Ancient Battles? I bought a gorgeous mint copy a few years ago on ebay. I've only had a quick glance at it but might be fun to share with the community. You are, after all, somewhat of a TT Historian (well more like Chronicler since you lived so much of it). Also: ....or something? Pistol duel at dawn for first turn!

You should move forward to 3rd edition and then do a battle report with a custom designed army built from the rulebook! Also it seems like a game of Warhammer back in the 80s had more in common with a modern RPG session than it does a modern, competitive tabletop wargame.

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

3rd is in the queue

@itsallfunandgames723

5 жыл бұрын

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames: Yay!!!

I love how janky both the rules and the typography are in these books. And the FF illustrator - takes me right back to the Caverns of the Snow Witch.

great video, man. brings back some great memories

Sweet video dude! Love the history lesson and can't wait for next #TBT. Now I wanna play old fantasy Warhammer more than ever!

Awesome throwback content man!

Love this can’t wait for the 40k stuff!!

This is amazing!!! I miss when games were crafted with so much personality and gusto. I mean, sure the mechanics might be primitive by today's standards, but the games just feel so full of character. I also presume the Italian Princess was a Super Mario joke? >_

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

About two years too early to be a MARIO joke!

@GreyHunter88

5 жыл бұрын

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Wow... You're right... Literally no reference I can think of pre-dates this game. I have NO idea why the princess is Italian, then. Hilarious.

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

@@GreyHunter88 The lads had a shine for Italian Girls I guess! HAHAHAHA

Ok you gotta do a battle report.

Amazing. Whoop!!!!!!!!!!

Great video, I'd love more of this!

That was the best review ever!

Great review Ash. I've got my copy safely on my gaming shelf. The rules really are basic - especially when compared to the later editions. It does make them super easy to get into though. By the way, that T-Shirt you are wearing... WITS is The University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg (which I attended in the 90's). Where did you get it?

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

4 жыл бұрын

It’s actually a Wild in the Streets T (an Indie miniature company!).

@JonathanMerry

4 жыл бұрын

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Ah! Ok, that makes more sense! :) The building in the background does have a close resemblance to the WITS University main campus. Hence the confusion.

Thoroughly enjoy this. Thank you

neat stuff to look at wish go back to it but you know a DA age is hare like the roatch will not die like dawn of war 2 and 3 LOL see if post more

Great, thank you Ash!

Love this kind of content

OMG!!! Awesome!!! thanks for that

I think the Italian Princess is a Super Mario reference

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

No... Original Mario for NES is from 1985. This was published in 1982. Even the arcade version of Mario wasn’t made yet as that was in 1983

@rickusjamesus

5 жыл бұрын

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames lol ok maybe I'm not old enough to remember 😂🤣 I'm glad you have such a good memory! Honestly, one of my favorite parts of your channel is how much raw knowledge you have, boss

MY MAN

Any chance of some oldhammer content coming to the channel?

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

It would require someone to do the project with. Oldhammer proper is going to require some serious funds to Collect the models for. Anything is possible tho!

Who's older? Those boxes or Ash?

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

Me... by just a few years. :)

6th or nuffin. 6th ed fo lyf. Incidentally, despite espousing its merits in multiple videos...I've yet to see you play that on here Ash (skirmish doesn't count). Only some 8th (which, let's face it, was fucking wank).

YES!!!!!!!

@adamosborne9440

5 жыл бұрын

I'm minutes in... and lord do I miss GW's WHFB universe.

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

5 жыл бұрын

@@adamosborne9440 That universe didn't even exist yet for this game.

@adamosborne9440

5 жыл бұрын

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames yeah, but this where it all started... the game and the impending pain my credit card was to feel.