great comparison video with Thomas....so consistent in your swing that it really shows what club stands out.....thanks.

Every second swing video I've watched has called the newer model a winner, every time

Guys I love the reviews, but it was noticeable that he was 'going after' the drives with the stealth plus way more than the SIM's, which can explain the extra SS and Ball speed

@joedavey84

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what i was going to post. It’s like a 1.5mph swingspeed increase on the stealth vs both the others which has nothing to do with the driver itself. Just him swinging harder. The comparison between the sim and sim 2 was as spot on as you can get, but to swing faster at the ball and say the stealth is outperforming the other two…nah. The swingspeed over the sim is nearly 2mph faster which is pretty substantial. The spin rates were nearly identical for all of them.

@method341

2 жыл бұрын

He has to sell these after all, that's how he makes a living. But yes, not much integrity with this sales pitch of a video.

@mvansb23

2 жыл бұрын

@@method341 I don’t think that’s fair. There have been plenty of reviews where Thomas and the 2nd swing crew find no difference. Radspeed vs king cobra sz. Many other examples. Sometimes they find a little bit. Sometimes they don’t. They also just showed a video where several clubs beat out the stealth plus. So on that day Taylormade didn’t pay enough to them to rig it?

@pato7694

2 жыл бұрын

I was very suspect of the Stealth hype before I got to swing it. I got my chance at a local club fitting day and I came away super impressed. I don’t know if it’s the shape of the clubhead, the weighting or the Mitsubishi Kai’li shaft I was fitted for with the Stealth… But I think Ian @TXG really summarized it best in his review when he said there is just something about the stealth that invites you to really go for it when you swing it. It’s hard to describe unless you have swing club

@jeffreybodine2897

2 жыл бұрын

yep , I noticed that too ... secret way to sell a few more Stealths and please the sponsors ...; ) All these youtube reviewers pull the same thing and people are catching on to it

it seems visually noticeable that your swinging harder with the stealth driver

@justinperrin9503

2 жыл бұрын

Same with the sim vs sim 2

@Danaugrego

2 жыл бұрын

His swing speed went from 113 sim, 113.9 sim2, then 115 stealth. As you warm up you can swing harder. He can say whatever he wants but he’s definitely swinging faster with the stealth, hence the higher ball speed.

@BAA3595

2 жыл бұрын

Stealth is lighter. I have tried all 3 and can easily swing the stealth faster than sim or sim2.

@ScottDreyfus

Жыл бұрын

It doesn’t have to be visual the data says it’s so. Definitely got more loose as time went. There’s nothing in those numbers. If anything the sim is more efficient at a slower speed.

@usmcforever7630

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he did swing harder with the Stealth.

Great Comparison, would be nice to see all 3 of the #3 Woods compared

2nd Swing to the Rescue . Sim2 wins . C'mon man , Just make swings. Everyone can see you swinging faster when you have the Stealth in hand. Leave the marketing out and let the Viewers decide . By the way Titleist has dominated on Tour so far this year. TSI3 without any carbon or fancy bells and Whistles . Just saying . Keep up the good work.

I bought several clubs from you guys.. Very satisfied.. Thanks

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for shopping with us and watching our videos - Thomas

I don’t know if it’s just me, but it 100% looks like you are swinging much harder with the stealth driver. Like forcing it to go further

Guys are killing it!

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! - Thomas

It's interesting to note every KZread club-fitter/seller gets increased club speed/ball speed with the new stealth, but every KZread golfer/reviewer doesn't. Maybe it's psychological? Thanks for the video though. just seeing Thomas swing is worth the like!

@pato7694

2 жыл бұрын

I picked up about 6-7 mph ball speed with the Stealth. I swing fairly hard though so one big benefit to the Stealth is the fact they have really nice shafts standard at no up charge. For me the Mitsubishi Kai’li shaft really suits me. I haven’t hit the Rogue yet to see what I can do with it when properly fit. Im not x cited to find out.

@gavinleeburn835

2 жыл бұрын

I lost about 10 yards from my sim no increase of speed I went for sim 2 as slightly longer than sim but better dispersion our local golf centre hadn't sold one stealth driver in 2 weeks

@SasquatchTour

2 жыл бұрын

I tried the stealth and stealth plus. I got faster club speed with the stealth plus and sim2 compared to my sim but the sim2 was just as fast as the stealth plus but had a higher smash factor and ballspeed than the stealth plus. Everyone produces slightly different results but for me the sim2 is still the best driver I’ve hit to date. Also for me the sim2 spins more than the sim more similar to the sim max but has more fade bias which is good because that keeps me at 1900-2100rom whereas the sim could drop to 1600rpm. My takeaway is the stealth can swing faster with great aerodynamics but it didn’t translate to ballspeed or distance. The stealth was the same distance as the sim but the sim2 has an extra gear. I want to see what the cobra ltdx ls will do.

@Nichorobo

2 жыл бұрын

When doing comparisons like this, it's normal for swing speed to go up as you loosen up so it only makes sense that the club you hit last has better numbers, barring any inconsistencies in the swing. TXG, fitter and reviewing channel, mentions the loosening up = more speed a few times in some of equipment reviews.

@SasquatchTour

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nichorobo I would go a step farther and say to test the clubs over a 1 month period 4 different times as speed and delivery can change or at least until you can identify patterns or tendencies you produce. That's why I'm not a fan of club fittings where you go into a store and walk out with a new club 45minutes later and that one window is supposed to fit you for the next 1-2 years.

Great review. Is the stealth head a bit lighter than sim and sim 2?

It would be nice to see a mid to high handicapper trialing these clubs,

Interesting results, looks like most players aren't gaining distance. Just goes to show every swing is different. Maybe it is more forgiving just off the sweet spot

Okay, 2 mph difference between the Stealth and either of the Sims will add the ball speed difference. But is it worth the $200 - $250 price tag difference over the Sim which I still see brand new in some stores? No. I'll stay with my Sim Max.

@Kylegolfs94

2 жыл бұрын

worse thing about the sim max is the small face.

It is good to see that Drew and Thomas are back together providing great informational content golf equipment videos. Drew and Thomas are irreplaceable. I am still waiting for my 2022 Callaway Rogue ST Max driver that I ordered through your store. I understand the backlog currently from the manufacturer. Very excited to get my new driver soon. I like how Drew builds up Thomas's ego with the "WOW's" after Thomas hits a 325+ yard drive down the middle of the fairway.

@jonnydempsey4380

2 жыл бұрын

Sure. What about the unaddressed disparity in club head and swing speed which explains all the differences? But no John wants to talk about 'WOWs' and building ego. Awesome.

@johnedwards2932

2 жыл бұрын

I also mentioned that I got my new driver, a 2022 Calaway ST Max. After watching several videos and talking and working with a fitter. Testing the new Taylor Made Stealth Driver and Callaway . . . I was much more consistent with the new Calaway. I didn't really need to know about unaddressed disparities.

I’ve had all 3 of these drivers. The first 2 are better in my opinion. Playing the 5S Fujikura Ventus shaft in all, the stealth has cost me 50 yards. Had I not broken 2 Sim2’s I wouldn’t have the stealth as a warranty swap.

Are the heads of similar weight? If the swingweight is different that could be the reason for the increase in clubhead speed.

Many good points about the difference in swing speed. If you just want to make a conclusion on the dispersion graph the Sim2 wins hands down!

Great review. 3mph ball spwed over Sim is incredible. SIM is longest driver I've ever played but looks like I might get about 4-5 yards more with the Stealth. Amazing where tech and the limits of COR has gotten us.

@jonnydempsey4380

2 жыл бұрын

What? Can you not read club speed data?

I think TM is following Callaway’s pattern of offering moving weights in the driver head every other year. For example, this year’s Rogue ST line no longer has a movable weight track where Epic offered a head with that option last year.

@Kylegolfs94

Жыл бұрын

such a silly carrot on a stick that the certain manufacturers are abusing. At least ping and Titleist aren't playing into that.

Keeping my original SIM. Might upgrade in a few years

Tried stealth and rogue. Could not get along with them. Glad TSI3 will be staying in the bag.

I'm still playing my old trusty R9 driver, and torn between Sim2 and Stealth. I'm also factoring in that my dad has the Sim 2 and don't necessarily want the same club as him, but ultimately it comes down to money and performance. Thanks for the info, but I'm leaving still torn! lol

@hunterscrackdealer6650

Жыл бұрын

Nothing like outdriving your Father (or Father-in-law in my case) with the same club… haha

All things being equal, I'll take the Sim 2. It looks prettier.

@jeffreybodine2897

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed ... I have the original Sim and its been stellar and much better looking than the stealth and just as long ... The Sim and the Sim2 are wonderful drivers and good looking too not to mention cheaper as of now ... Great time to pick one up

@anthonypaino4991

2 жыл бұрын

I think SIM 2 is prettier than SIM….however, the adjustable weight seems to make a big difference….I found that I have more carry and total distance w/ SIM over SIM 2

@jeffreybodine2897

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonypaino4991 Yes I like the sim2 also , but lack of the sliding weight is a big negative for me as I change mine quite often such as if your playing a course with a lot of right to left doglegs , I will move the weight in a little to help draw it a little more . Also , I like to keep my drivers for 2-4 years and the bottom of the Sim2 looks to me like it would get all scratched up faster which annoys me . Cant say if one is longer than the other have only had the sim . I came from the M3 and the sim spins less so get some extra free yards .... Thanks Anthony for your comment

I'm looking forwards to the stealth 2 next year lol

Interesting. I wonder the results if you had hit the drivers in reverse order. I've not seen any other tests with these results. The m5 has performed as good or better than the stealth for some swings when hit every other vs a set of balls with each.

@mvansb23

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen a lot of tests get higher swing speed with the stealth plus. I wonder if it’s a little bit of a lighter head? Most of the other reviews are seeing a little more head speed, but ball speed has been hit or miss on surprising sim2 or peers. Could also be the head shape/aerodynamics. All are 460cc, but the stealth plus certainly looks more compact in footprint. I just tested one for the first time and didn’t hit enough to conclude on speed. I certainly did notice better spin consistency and forgiveness vs my SIM2.

@Matt-rq6wz

2 жыл бұрын

@@mvansb23 yes ive seen the same - faster swing speeds with lower ball speeds on average. It is possible the stealth fits this guy better or inspires confidence. I'm just kind of convinced buying a 2-3yr old club from any leading manufacturer and getting professionally fit with the extra cash is the way. It seems there is more distance to be gained with the golf ball than there is in equipment in 2022.

@Matt-rq6wz

2 жыл бұрын

Hence the honest manufacturers are marketing stability at this point.

@jeffreybodine2897

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Matt Agreed... I have seen the same

@soccerindian12

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I was thinking the exact same thing! He could have been swinging harder and looser. Either way I see three very similar drivers!

Tom has the best swing on KZread.

What was the loft of these drivers during the test?

What shaft was that?

I would love the stealth plus. I'll tape the one you cut and use it.

Thomas... whatever happened to the super speed training. Are you still doing it. What’s your overall take. Have you gained what you wanted.

You should compare it to the SLDR 430.

Most people here are unaware that the carbon face has 2 benefits. 1- they were unable to improve ball speed with titanium anymore. And 2 the carbon face is 26 grams lighter than the titanium face. Saving 3-4 grams per year to reposition the weight for a desired performance is huge. They saved 26. So more accuracy in the Stealth and more draw bias with the Stealth HD. It’s not always about distance.

Why did you swing the stealth faster than the rest? That's the difference!

Can you do the standard model stealth Vs SIM 2 max for us high handicap player as we all won't get fitted into the stealth+ and KZread reviews seems to concentrate on the better player model the stealth+!!!

What shaft?

Tried the stealth it’s good but I will have to stay with my ping g425 max

OK, so Stealth beats TM's earlier models. Good deal. Now lets see how Stealth does versus the new Cobra, which from the reviews I have seen may be the fastest of the 2022 drivers to come out so far. Thanks for the video.

@jonnydempsey4380

2 жыл бұрын

'OK, so Stealth beats TM's earlier models' - How so? Can you not read club speed data and see swing speed? Jesus, people like you pay for TM's silly marketing every year, so easily fooled.

@JDSFLA

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonnydempsey4380 It's not just this review but a number of others that have shown that the Stealth head consistently has slightly better head speed around the face - especially on mishits. Are they all wrong? But what counts more to me are brand-to-brand tests as all the companies are working on gradually improving results all over the face as much as they can. The Cobra is one that seems to be very good, but we have yet to see Ping, Titleist and others new models. Furthermore, Jesus, people like you seem to have their head in the sand.

Out of curiosity, I know you used the same shaft for the sake of consistency, but would we see such a stark difference on the odd bombs between Stealth and Sim/Sim2 if each had their own perfectly fit shaft?

@jamesjackson4264

2 жыл бұрын

Yea but then you would get 100 comments saying. You have to use the same shaft to test. Which to me is nonsense.

@MrRatFinkster

2 жыл бұрын

Yea it's sort of making each driver as optimized as possible for the person and then seeing where the results differ. If the best possible iteration of a Sim is 30y less than the best possible Stealth etc.

those carry #'s can be right. 301 with only 171 ball speed?

I would really like to see you bring another employee in that is maybe an 18 hcp player and put them in the test with you guys. Maybe two, one being 20ish the other 50ish. The difference in swing speeds would make for interesting data.

@dickbroomer7877

2 жыл бұрын

Franklin loved your comment Thomas hit’s it so sweetly every time, I would like to see how normal golfer’s get on, Plus would like to see an older golfer with a slower swing speed would get on with the Different Driver’s, Thanks Dickey UK

Before I watch the video I’m going to go out on a limb and say longest is #1. Stealth, #2. Sim2 #3. Sim.

Yes all the club fitters/sellers will warm up with the older models first and once they get all loose and adjusted they will hit the new model last to show that the new model is better. In other wards they wants you to buy the new model, it’s a nasty business but effective. 🍻

Just got fitted for the stealth plus this past weekend. Tried every driver out made and the stealth was 3mph club head speed more and about 10yrds on carry more

Stealth plus should have been tested with the sim2 max and sim max. Other than that great video

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. The Stealth Plus, Sim 2 and Sim are the low spin models which is why they were compared while the Stealth, Sim 2 Max & Sim Max are the more forgiving models - Thomas

Only one way to find out is test it for yourself..🤘🙌

So my question is, what is his gamer? Personally, I think the Sim 2 is better for him because of accuracy. Distance does not always mean better if you miss the fairway.

@kwalter2323

2 жыл бұрын

His gamer is callaway epic max ls I believe

Just got me the sim 2 max 🙂

Moral there’s nothing in it. Swing either of these three and your good

Do you think tm will heavily discount the sim 2 ?

@Not2beknown

2 жыл бұрын

probably will stay around 400 dollars.

@atxrich

2 жыл бұрын

In my observation, OEM’s will discount previous gen clubs $50-$100 unless the plan is to keep that driver in the current model lineup. You’ll probably find better deals in the used market as people are trading in for the new model.

@jamesjackson4264

2 жыл бұрын

@@atxrich this is where the real savings is. Amd demo bin.

I have Sim and Sim2 and have held the stealth…… you know what, as a 12 handicapper the Sim is longer than Sim2, flies higher and easier to maneuver. @$579 for a Stealth I doubt it’s worth the money

Please compare to M1 2017 and the M2. Thanks

@jamesjackson4264

2 жыл бұрын

M2 is a beast. For him won’t be that big of a difference. For the average golfer the newer club will be more forgiving when you don’t hit center.

The lesson is not about the driver. It’s about the numbers. Hit up on the ball 5-7 degrees with a square face and the ball will go no matter what the club if it is fit right. It can be fit wrong if you hit up with a square face. You won’t max out but the ball will go. Learn to hit up and square the face. That is worth more than the club.

All in the swing speed. Progressively got faster.

2 mph swing speed is the difference in ball speed and carry. I’d take the sim2 all day with those numbers and dispersion. I think Thomas would too.

just dropped 550 on EPIC I'm good...

I tested both the Stealt and the Stealth Plus. The Stealt spun between 1400-1500 rpm. But the Stealt Plus spun between 2200-2500 rpm. Both was 9 deg heads and with the same Proforce V2 Yellow shaft. Anyone else that had that experience where the supposed higher spin head spinns less than the lower spin head? I ended up bying the Stealth Plus in 9 deg.

Sim2 went further than the stealth if you check their video when they compare m5,sim,sim2 Same club head speed each year too. Seems to always be biased towards the newest club

It looks like the carbonwood age will soon be ushering in the supportive sales trend known as the recovery club age for tmag.. that's a very wide dispersion ring

@MahanFan1

2 жыл бұрын

Do you actually understand what you're looking at? That's a dispersion pattern of 15 - 25 yards. That's incredibly impressive carrying the ball 300 yards. Any PGA Tour player would go into debt to buy the strokes that this would gain off the tee over the course of a season.

@Somewheredownintexas

2 жыл бұрын

@@MahanFan1 pros don't bag stealth to lose the middle and gain 2 or 3yds on a small percentage of shots, that's what you do and your friends do and TM makes billions bc of it.. Meanwhile the actual pro tour isn't adopting TM in record numbers that goes to another OEM. Thanks for the note to ask me do I know what I'm looking at though 😆

@MahanFan1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Somewheredownintexas You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Even the best drivers of the ball have a dispersion of around 65 yards at 300 yards carry - which just happens to be what most fairways measure between penalty hazards. Just take a look at most equipment free agents and see what driver they have in the bag. Probably 90% have a TM of some sort. This is my last reply and I won't engage you any further.

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

For what it’s worth - of the 22 “equipment free agents” in the Top 125 in the world, 19 are using a TaylorMade driver

I would say the stealth is not better just a gimmick to buy new. Ive hit it and its 5td less than my. G410 lst. So kinda funny seeing this

When your swinging the stealth plus 2mph faster than the sim… what else where you expecting with the farther distances?! At least make it a fair test!!

What happens when the covering over the face wears off? Better make sure you don’t hit range balls with a little sand on them.

May be “surprising” to you “experts” but swinging the club 2mph faster will make it go further. Should honestly do it fair and not go after the higher price driver. Let me guess, next year the stealth 2 will be 2 mph faster than the stealth…

In my average golfer opinion, the stealth driver is not very appealing to the eye ! I was also watching a YT clip of a fella hitting one in a simulator & the carbon face flew off ! 😳 Apparently it’s the second one it’s happened to for him !

I call bs on the results if toy go back when the sim 2 come out he was carying over 300 with it then. Of course you swing almost 2 mph faster you gonna gain 5 yards carry lol

I've owned M1, M4, M6, SIM and SIM 2. The build quality seems to be getting worse every year. I wont be getting the Stealth...

And yes, in one freaking year this will be outdated! I hit my Sims 2 max as straight as a gig handle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep your carbon!

@sjcgtmustang

2 жыл бұрын

Buying a sim 2 at the end of the metal wood era must feel like buying the 2019 vette only to have the mid engine bad ass version out the next year

🤣 SIM & SIM2 are fairly SIMilar ! 🤣👍

I mean 290-300 is not a big difference when it comes to driver. I’ll spend 300$ on a sim vs double that for a stealth and maybe 10 yards. Not worth it

Seems like SIM is still best…tried comparing clubhead speed: 113.3 SIM = 165.7 ball speed BUT 297.5 carry/318.5 total 113.3 SIM2 = 167.8 ball speed w/ 295.1 carry/312.7 total Stealth’s lowest clubhead speed was 114.1 and had 168.6 ball speed at w/ 292.4 carry/316.4 total

The more you are warmed up the better the later hits are. no wonder your progression followed that exactly here. Its a flaw every driver test i see on You tube.

Sorry you should look at the video again Your body language with stealth was like a long drive champion where as the other clubs was more like you are trying to hit fairway I don’t see the advantage.

Basically unless your driver is 20 years old, there’s no real reason to upgrade for the average golfer

Taylormade offers different face colors now.

@jamesjackson4264

2 жыл бұрын

That’s player.

I've sim 2 I hate sliding weight ,gets ypu in a bad habit

This comparison is USELESS unless you struck all 3 drivers in similar locations on the face. Where was your strike locations?

@jamesjackson4264

2 жыл бұрын

Probably about the same since the smash factor was about the same.

Can you not read club speed data and see swing speed? Jesus, people like those in these comments pay for TM's silly marketing every year, so easily fooled.

No gain. If you swing faster, the ball will go further. Not worth spending that amount of $. Great advertisment for TM

It kept looking uglier after the regular SIM..

Stealth sounds so crap

BS. So basically if you swing harder and faster the ball goes further. Typical TM salesman.