Thank you for referencing the effects of torque (twisting of the golf shaft ). I have been a clubmaker for 21 years, and everyone talks about shaft flex, and yet NOBODY talks about torque. several times during this video you guys reference "stability". Torque and stability go hand in hand in my opinion. MOST guys that I have seen play a shaft that is too light for them and spray it all over the course. then they proceed to blame it on shaft flex. the sacrifice of MOST light weight shafts is an increase in torque. So when you said to play the lightest shaft that you can hit consistently. you hit the nail right on the head. as shafts get lighter, torque increases. swing speed affects torque because the club head is off of the center line of the golf shaft. the harder that you swing, the more torque is amplified at the club face. heavier shafts generally have less torque because there is more material to prevent them from twisting. the sacrifice in this is distance. So, to play the lightest shaft that you can keep stable, is in essence, finding a balance between distance and straightness.

@jazzyjay4595

11 ай бұрын

I usually tell my clients that “flex” probably the least important quality of a golf shaft. It’s incredibly hard to pick out the different flexes if you’re also switching up bend profiles. A Fujikura air speeder stiff flex is going to feel softer than a Fujikura Ventus Blue 5R2 just based on the profiles they bend at

finally a good, organized, and clear shaft review

Thank you for the details. I'm shopping Sim2 through 2nd swing and been overwhelmed by shaft choices. This helps narrow the search. Cheers!

Great video guys! Very informative!

I use the hazardous yellow smoke 60 with my cobra speedzone extreme stiff flex and I love it

so what happening with me using a Regular ADILA RIP in my R1 vs a stiff option? I did take a slo mo vid an it looks like the shaft is whipping forward at about 4 oclick in my swing and id think it should be at 5 oclock ideally, am i correct that im losing that whip threw the ball with to reg vs stiff or is it just dispersion? my natural shot is a draw and I do not hit anything to the right but my crap shots are left!

The man is like Iron Byron. Your ball speeds are impressive and Tour level.

Great content, thank you!

Isn't the "standard" position in both LH and RH adapter the same?

Great video. Will be getting the HZRDUS Black. Thanks

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Glad we helped out! Thank you for watching Clark! Let us know how the shaft goes!

Great breakdown

Really enjoyed that - interesting.

I use a Riptide and have been driving the best I have ever accuracy wise, distance has been decent, 220 carry range

Awesome video. Thank you guys

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Thank You for watching - Thomas

Hi Thomas. What did you do to increase club head and ball speed. I am at 105 right and would like to get around 110-115 club head.

..I am looking at getting the stealth driver possibly......i currently just got the stealth irons with red ventus shafts and the DHY clubs in the same shaft....my question is should i stick with the ventus red shaft for the driver ? in regular ? my swing speed with driver is 89-94 mph....i usually hit a high ball...i am looking for distance.... more the better ...lol i am thinking of also getting my driver length at 44 - 44 1/4 ....im only 5'7 and 57 years old.......what shaft do you think would suit me most ? thx cheers keep up the good work

I got fitted this year into the SimMax2 line and realized that I had lost about 20 yards on my drives. And I was fit into a non upgraded shaft. So I decided to do a year round live 'fitting' by buying a number of shafts and heads to see which I liked best. So right now I have 5 SimMax or SimMax2 heads and a number of new shafts, ranging from the stock EvenFlow 50 up to and including the $500 Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 5. I also have a used Aldila Rip 50g, a Mitsu Diamana S Limited 60 g also in R flex, a UST ProForce V2 HL, a KBS Tour TD 50 in R2, a Fujikura Pro 2.0 50g, my originally fitted Evenflow Riptide 50 5.5, a 'made for' Mitsu Kura Kage Silver and a real Mitsu 5th Gen black Kuro Kage shaft. After about 100 rounds with these shafts the Mitsu 5th Gen KK and the KBS Tour AD 50 are head and shoulders above the rest. Less dispersion but more importantly clearly 20+ yards more than any of the others. I will set an appointment to hit the range with a launch monitor to try and break the tie between these two but clearly the premium shafts have value unless you are on a very tight budget.

@lukeyoneshot6040

2 жыл бұрын

You have too much money and time on your hands brother 🤣

@sampson7941

2 жыл бұрын

You might need AA

@petedjordjevic1993

2 ай бұрын

What is your swing speed?

Half a good video! It clearly demonstrated from the right weight shaft to too light. This is not the direction most golfers have the problem with. It would have been good to see him continue to also hit shafts too heavy so we could all recognise the actual problem we mostly tend towards - wanting too stiff a shaft. Schaun

I like the KuroKage shaft. Works really well for me. Best combination for distance and accuracy. Another well done video with a lot of good information. And believe me I am no Thomas. My distances a re way less. But you can always hope.

What if you add lead tape for swingweight with a bias for draw or fade to a stiffer flex shaft. You would create a slingshot effect with momentum choosing club path.

Have read in a few different places recently that the LH adapter in a RH head fits the same way round if wanting to play in standard loft/lie. Its only when you try to higher or lower loft it works the opposite way round ie higher marking makes the head lower lofted.

@mattherring2166

3 жыл бұрын

100% correct

@minstrel72

2 жыл бұрын

Had exactly that recently - am lefty, fitted at my club and with Taylormade with RH tip spun 180. When my driver came with LH tip set at 0, I found was totally wrong. 0 and 180 is exactly the same whether RH or LH tip. Other increments would be affected which way you turn the shaft with the opposite tip to how you play.

@julienbbertrand

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Turns out it would have been great to see Campbell hit the Tensei with standard lie instead of 2degree up (hence the hook).

You listed the Tensei as the AV, but I think you were hitting the CK, correct?. I really prefer the AV. Isnt the CK an older version?

Great review as always, You guys are very funny ,, Thomas I'd take anyone of those drives all day long lol , my drive is 4o.yards shorter and in the brown woods lol , na kidding not really lol, idk for some reason I love the whip at the ball ,love that feel but again if I'm not on my game that day ,,Goodbye ball,, gotta have center strike no doubt about it!! Thomas you gotta be the most efficient driver of the golf ball I've seen, no kidding every smash factors 4.8 or above awesome just awesome, true athlete!! I'd love to whip that speeder around the course!! Anyway Great job by the dynamic dueo !! always on tha Money with these reviews , instructional, educational videos !! Thanks !! Merry Christmas I'm late watching these videos lol !!

how does the Adila Rogue Silver MSI 125/130 compare to Riptice CB, Tensei 1k and Ventus?

Great video 1000 Thanks

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! - Thomas

Great video guys! Which one would you recommend for a high launcher (16+ degrees) and high spinner (6500rpm) hitter? I’m thinking the RDX, correct? Cheers!

@Samson.Boedefeld

2 жыл бұрын

6500 rpm on a Driver?!

Top video 👍

Why would you say the airspeed and blue be more suited for the maxD ?

Can you do something similar with the Cobra ?

How can you tell if your Tip is right/left handed

I have the Ventus Blue 'R' stock shaft in all my woods. The Ventus is great. I moved from the Tensei Blue in the Taylormade M3 to Ventus Blue in SIM (1). The stock Ventus is NOT the custom Ventus-velocore ($350) shaft.

Interesting conversation around tip dexterity. Anyone know how you can Identify a left-handed vs right-handed tip?

@minstrel72

2 жыл бұрын

Will say on the tip e.g. LH

Great videos guys. One suggestion, the volume of your videos seems rather quiet. I need to turn the volume right up but then when another video or ad plays it’s far too loud. Don’t know if there’s anything you can do about that? Thanks for the great content!

How would I know that it’s a left handed tip?

have the ventus blue 5-s on the sim 2 max driver. cut the shaft from 46' to 44.5'. thoughts on swing weight? as of now shot patterns are going all over the place since the change and distance severely decreased

@method341

Жыл бұрын

how? Were you hitting it better at the fitting?

Oh lucky, I just bought my Sim2 Max and they had only 1 shaft available (Ventus Blue 5). Hope its ok.

Very interesting. I have 90 mph swing, played TM Burner 10.5 R flex 50g shaft for 10 years.switched to Cobra F9 10.5 Fujikura ventus blue R flex stock shaft but it weighs 75g and I think it's too heavy, really inconsistent with it. Not sure why the fitter gave me this. Stock shape with the TM was straight/slight fade, all over the place with the Cobra. Really would appreciate a reply, thanks.

@craciunator99

Жыл бұрын

Ususally its the other way, people get shafts that are too light and it makes them very inconsistent, heavier shafts are generally more stable. 75g is more than normal for a driver though, mine is a x stiff but only 60 grams

@TADDs101

Жыл бұрын

Where did you get fitted .. Golf Galaxy ?

whats is your setting? D3? D8?

Thomas' attack angle is insane. Any advice on bringing my attack angle up to 4-5 degrees from around 0.0 degrees? Play a 9 degree Sim 2 w/ 6.5 HZRDUS Smoke Blue. Making great contact but can't get my AOA up. Great video, appreciate the content.

@SithkalekGolfAndGaming

3 жыл бұрын

shoulder tilt and ball placemtn to front foot or inside front foot heel

@debrajohnson4689

3 жыл бұрын

tee it up high

@michaelforrester816

2 жыл бұрын

Play a 10.5 head.

@ocat1979

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelforrester816 driver loft is irrelevant to swing AoA

@michaelforrester816

2 жыл бұрын

@@ocat1979 I know Brad. I only say what I did as my figures are similar to Nicholas. The extra club loft helped my +1-2 AoA as swing changes just wasnt working for me. Im 6ft7 and sometimes struggle to maintain height in the swing.

Would you recommend the smoke shaft in stiff for 105 mph club speed over extra stiff?

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

105-110 mph is a good cut off between stiff and x-stiff. Smoke stiff if you have a smooth tempo. X-Stiff if you have a faster tempo - Thomas

Bought my first driver, the max D. Was hitting it good with a regular shaft, even left. Fitter told me at the last minute I need a stiff and gave me the air speeder. It's all over the place :(

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

The shaft can be for sure player dependent. I would give that regular flex another chance if its straighter. Play the lightest most flexible shaft you can hit straight - Thomas

How can you tell if the tip on your taylormade driver is right handed or left handed?

@adrianmardlin

3 жыл бұрын

LH tip says on it

Interesting!! I have been using The Taylormade R7 Driver with 9.5 loft with stock shaft. I hit this driver consistently 270 yrds. Just 4 days ago, I received an early Xmas Gift for the new Zim2 MaxDriver...It came with the Ventus S-5. I took it to the Driver range yesterday and was not so happy. (lol) I hit the ball good with good impact but when it descend, it turn to the right(I am right handed). I am trying to figure out on what it is I am doing wrong. When I switched with the old Driver(R7), I get good result. Maybe, I have the wrong shaft? Please Comments and advise are welcome.

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

It could be the golf shaft, also what is the loft of your new driver? What is the length of the shaft? If that changed or even the hosel adjustment is different a lot can change - Thomas

@bobbitt2938

2 жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing the Zim2 Driver loft is 9.5 degree - It could be the Ventus shaft is too stiff for me..? Some said to try and change and put on the Nakarage shaft….more for seniors…my handicap is 9 but some golf buddies of mine with much lower handicap can hit my new Zim2 Driver long and straight…it has to be me.. lol

@bobbitt2938

2 жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing sorry…. Kurokage shaft

Show me the tempo to hit the same way and i will be able To hit really far as well !! your swing doesn’t even move or go all the way back ur buddy stays where it’s at all times only thing but your shaft is the one that you do throw all around ur body past the pony of parallel but u swing swing it just past ur shoulder or rotator cuff then go after it goes farther! I just think it’s all about the timing wit plus bending super confidence into hitting it that fast tell us ur secrets thanks !

I just got fitted into a smoke black rdx 70 i dont feel like i have a really fast swing speed but i was hitting the ball right down the middle my ball speed was about 140 to 150

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

A heaver shaft can help golfers to tighten dispersion. - Thomas

I didn’t hear an explanation as to why they’ve excluded a vast number of golfers who play a regular or senior flex shafts through the bag.

All stiff or x stiff shaft. What about regular flex?

I had the Ventus blue,but traded for the Alilidia green nv, much better!

As someone who struggles with high spin and was fit for a Sim 2 driver but would like the Sim 2 Max Driver. For more forgiveness. Can you take the weights from the regular Sim 2 Driver and put them into the Max? Or would you say it’s all on the shaft? Currently switched back to my M1 440 driver with CK tensei Pro orange TX. Loving it again.

@sampson7941

2 жыл бұрын

Saw another video said don't mess with the weight

I have a driver fitting this weekend. I have a 90mph ss and generally hit it straight. Currently have a Tensei Blue AV 65g stiff shaft in my flash. Think maybe is too heavy. Do you have any recommendations of shafts to inquire about?

@azharariesaampstudio7524

2 жыл бұрын

use Tensei SFW AV Blue 55g

@philr1924

2 жыл бұрын

@@azharariesaampstudio7524 They fit me in the Autoflex SF 405. Cant wait to try it!

How does the shaft make the ball fly differently. Always thought the head loft causes the flight height

The Taylormade Ventus blue does not have velocore. Would love to see Thomas hit the blue 6X or black 6X with the real shaft.

@mashedpotatoes5276

3 жыл бұрын

I work at a retailer, velocore makes a decent difference to dispersion…. Distance is basically identical…. Just what I’ve found over a period of time

It would be awesome to see higher handicap folks try these out.

@jetdr

3 жыл бұрын

Or a decent player with a slower swing speed! Maybe a 80’s swing speed.

@djones1304

3 жыл бұрын

High hdcp will be all over the place. Shaft won’t fix that. Slow swing speed decent player. Good idea

Ur practice all day long! U have all the tools you available if I was able to I can hit it all day long!

Please portray your dispersion circles accurately. The wide dispersion circle of the air speeder 45g shaft is portrayed much larger than where the shots were dispersed.

@kylenovak2583

2 жыл бұрын

the dispersion circles extrapolate to a confidence range with a normal distribution. My guess would be a 90% confidence interval. With 5 shots you dont see as much of the data going into the circle being drawn. since there was a lot of draw and slice in the shots the dispersion is wide and you could reasonably expect some more shots to end up further out. If the hit many more, you would see the circle be tighter around the data set.

I enjoy 2nd Swing content, but I would think most of us average golfers in mid and high cap levels that swing 85-100 mph don't gain the best value from these where someone that swings 115+ mph would get different results.

I’d like to see a sequel to this video with the premium versions of these OEM shafts. I think the industry does itself a disservice by painting these stock shafts to look like their far more expensive premium counterparts.

@BaBaBooeyWRLD

3 жыл бұрын

It’s shady as hell

@lamontcoleman99

Жыл бұрын

I think you’re doing yourself a disservice if you actually think premium shafts make that much of a difference

@arthurford829

Жыл бұрын

@@lamontcoleman99 well, we’re all certainly entitled to our own opinions. But I disagree. It’s different for each golfer.

@Lefishn

Жыл бұрын

​@@lamontcoleman99 99% makes a huge difference in flex, torque from Stock to aftermarket

Venus Blue 5S and loft up on target?

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

That will close the face and lead to shots further left by lofting up. - Thomas

How do you even know if it’s a lefty tip? I just changed my shaft and head around and now I’m concerned haha

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Once you take the head off look on the tip it will either say LH or RH - Thomas

It doesn’t seem like the air speeder’s dispersion pattern circle actually represented the tightness of the cluster compared to the others… seems like the left side of the circle was quite over exaggerated away from the actual farthest left shot…

Hi guys I was wondering if you could recommend a driver shaft to me. Here are my numbers using a tour edge c721 10.5 head set to 9.5 Swing speed 105-110 Distance 240-250 metres Ball flight Mid to high Spin 3500-3800 I'm getting smashed in windy conditions with the high spin and the high ball flight I have worked on my swing to bring that down and it has to a certain extent I am still getting the odd really high flight and big spinner dropping out of the sky even in good conditions.

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for reaching out. The RDX 6.0 or possibly 6.5 (you're on the bubble) I would try a 9.5* head lofted down or turn that loft to -2* - Thomas

Interesting, but unless the shaft is "pured" (check vids) then you are definitely missing the full benefits of the fitting process. Just my experience to share.

What gets me about ALL (not just 2nd swing) the testing is that they always use a person that has tour speed instead of the what really is the normal consumer whose SS is 80-100 mph. This probably benefits 5%, if that of all non pro golfers

Glad im nit the only one. I hate the ventus blue

Just ordered a sim2 max. Couldn’t pass up the last years price

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

It's always a nice saving when the newer models come out! - Thomas

Why are all these presentations done with tour level equipment and tour level swing speeds? The vast majority of golfers are nowhere near this. A player with a swing speed of a more typical 90-95 mph swing should be included. Just my opinion..

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. We have been incorporating more and more slower swing speeds for club comparisons and testing thanks to this kind of feedback. You will find videos with Jackie whose driver speed is around 90mph - Thomas

@jamescall5819

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate these videos. It gives me a set up idea to try during fittings.

It seems getting the correct shaft could take a long section . Whats the cost for a fitting at 2nd golf. Ok what about the type of head to use it seem that this could cost the golf a lot of money. THEN IF YOU ARE A SERIOUS GOLF COST DOESN'T MATTER

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

The golf shaft will be player dependent. Some golfers may not notice much of a difference with premium & stock offerings and some golfers can notice the weight difference. Generally the type of head or loft on the head will make the biggest difference. At 2nd Swing our Fittings are FREE with purchase. - Thomas

This would be more realistic if Jackie did the same test .

Stock shaft length at 45.75 is way too long for most golfers. Take it down to 45 at the most.

There are many other variables that will have to be considered n a fitting session. Head adjustability today is also a major factor and has to be considered . A lot of information, but not totally on point.

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct, plenty of variables go into fine tuning a driver, thanks for watching - Thomas

1st, you should do a shaft preview with a golfer who can hit the driver consistently Thomas is to worried about swing speed and slices, hooks and sprays the ball all over. 2nd, why an 8* clubhead? 80% of all golfer would do much better to 10-12* Thomas being one of those.. I know they think they can smash the 8-9* but they cant, just like this guy. Slow down Thomas you will find your control speed. I'm guessing 108-110 mph. Yeah I've fitted a few as well. Love your vids this one missed the mark

The normal 10-12 handicap guy gets nothing out of this, how many golfers hit the ball 320 yards. This guy hits all of them good. Bring up an average golfer and see how the shafts act for them. I guess maybe these are made for pros.

Can everyone at 2nd Swing just stop saying “golf” in front of everything? Can’t we just say “shaft” instead of “golf shaft” three times in one sentence?

Accra or Oban

Your show is REALLY POINTLES - a vast majority of people who watch golf vlogs are "blessed" with the golf swing speeds BELOW 100 mph.

@debrajohnson4689

3 жыл бұрын

lol what about txg? they do the same thing

@marksakowski9272

3 жыл бұрын

@@debrajohnson4689 Ditto

@Kaddywompous

2 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer that. Inconsistency obscures what the shaft is really doing.

U should swing faster…I bet u can come out of ur shoes if you try… geeez slow down dude..ur almost outta breath

Way to compare shafts that should not be compared to each other. Stiff comparing to x stiff should of titled this what works for me. Loll terrible video IMO

Not a fan, all different flex and just a guy hitting balls and complaining about what doesn’t work for him…. Not independent at all. I’ll stick with TXG