"It's an offensive tank, really" "I find it very offensive"

@sinphus

4 жыл бұрын

Alexios Levant link?

@sinphus

4 жыл бұрын

Alexios Levant thank you

@jackspedicy2711

2 жыл бұрын

1:37 apparantly the link ein renter (or the comment above me referring to alexios levant if he changed name) was referring to has dissapeared. this is priof of censorhsip of youtube, its not that these people delete accounts, noone does that.

@swift7493

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackspedicy2711 lol

I think it's disgusting that gun depression isn't been given more awareness. These tanks have been through hell, and mental health is an extremely important issue and medical concern these days.

@Nightdare

6 жыл бұрын

that's exactly what's wrong: your drawing all attention to the tank, while the problem is with the gun

@haughtywren788

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nightdare The 6 Pounder Gun next door just went boom, we're going to the funeral next week.

@pwillis1589

9 ай бұрын

We need gun appreciation week.

Maybe the fact that you can't quantify optics is the reason it's under-appreciated. It's easy to just ignore anything you can't quantify.

@ferronzomeren2733

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Carrier You can count the number of periscopes in the tanks, or take an average of the percentage a crew member could see compared to an open view.

@johnboy1536

6 жыл бұрын

i saw your point before you did.

@seanrea550

6 жыл бұрын

you can quantify optics and camouflage/ stealth capacity. with optics your numbers would mainly deal with the resolution and sharpness of an image. with stealth capabilities, you would work more with how much does it reduce visibility to a given tool. how much warmer is the outer skin to the surroundings, what is the radar cross section to this type of radar.

@akizeta

6 жыл бұрын

Well, you _can_ quantify optics; procurement do when they specify the optics for their new vehicles, after all. You have magnification, angle of view, resolution; for night-vision, dynamic range; for IR, some number describing the difference in temperature that can be displayed. Too many numbers, I expect, and not easily translatable into tank-killing. Is a 5x scope almost twice as good as a 3x scope? If my IR can show differences in temp of 1°, is that really five times better than one that can only show 5° differences? The other way to quantify it, as The Chieftain suggests, is to count the tanks seen vs the ones missed. But the only way to do that is to either have lots of battles and count the stats (and somehow accounting for the differences in the vehicles being spotted, and the training of the crews spotting and trying to avoid being spotted), by which time your information is old news, Or, you could have some kind of standardised tests to rate the equipment. Good luck with that one.

@seanrea550

6 жыл бұрын

with any type of optic it is with the skill of the user as much as the availability of the tool. i would say a commander with a pair of binoculars functions as an optical system, how can we tell which binoculars are better than others, magnification and clarity. more magnified generally gives you a more narrow field of view but better details. a camera will work off of magnification but the clarity becomes redefined as the resolution of the image captured. and the more specialized the tool becomes the more you have to look at, but the point remains optics can be quantified.

When i hear anything on gun depression i just think about the Dicker Max tank destroyer and how it could almost pole vault with its gun barrel

@fergusarmour8175

6 жыл бұрын

Tarkkus sturer emil

@danielr.l.mccullough600

6 жыл бұрын

Matilda

@GEEK-fy1dz

6 жыл бұрын

when i hear anything on gun depression i just think about the Panzer II coming home to a tub of ben and jerrys and crying

@VarenvelDarakus

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/omWIlrZwZ7a9Z6g.html

@fergusarmour8175

6 жыл бұрын

Varenvel Darakus Iron Armenian! I love him

6:50 *Initial D intensifies*

@killerexe007

6 жыл бұрын

Was looking for this comment

@sergeantpanther678

6 жыл бұрын

I provide a service.

@K0nna13

6 жыл бұрын

We need a new season. WITH TANKS.

@molexi6537

6 жыл бұрын

I instantly rushed to the comments when I heard it

@pingwenhung8327

6 жыл бұрын

@RumRumRum , you have one , it's called "Girls und Panzer" xDDDDD

Most imporant weapon? Holy handgrenade of Antioch.

@nates9778

6 жыл бұрын

MinedMaker hmg

@kellyjackson7889

5 жыл бұрын

Rabbit......run away run away!

@PeteCourtier

5 жыл бұрын

we want a shrubbery!

@mchagnon7

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Its pretty easy to apply numbers to that weapon. Thou shalt pull the pin and count to 3.

@ChimkenNuggers

5 жыл бұрын

@@mchagnon7 Not 2, not 4, but 3

A tank video that isn't over half an hour? Hey, I can watch this one without making a night of it!

@albinandersson1154

6 жыл бұрын

Micah Philson surprised to. Been a long time since he realeased anything shorter than 20 minutes. Not that im complaining I love the longer ones.

@jon-paulfilkins7820

6 жыл бұрын

Notice how they got cut off in mid flow? I should imagine their conversation finally wound down in the wee hours of the morning in a local pub and we only got the opening part ;)

@augustopinochet2495

6 жыл бұрын

Tfw it's not a 2 hour long video about tanks :(

@khankrumgaming8926

6 жыл бұрын

Depressing, isn't it. :P

@wartang

6 жыл бұрын

This just means you can watch/find more videos.

I humbly demand more of this cooperation, please.

@scottm.603

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@spamuraigranatabru1149

6 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

@bbdawise

6 жыл бұрын

I'm willing to start a very apathetic resistance movement if your demands aren't met

@spamuraigranatabru1149

6 жыл бұрын

The fellowship of the beige!

@Easy-Eight

6 жыл бұрын

Best British & Irish cooperation on the web.

"Thats slightly better, thats running in the 90s" I see what he did there.

@jancz357

6 жыл бұрын

I'm too Thicc to get it :(

@HeartcoreMitRA

6 жыл бұрын

I thik it's something about going sideways with intense techno music.

@vaclav_fejt

6 жыл бұрын

I'm just running down a dream.

@Virolaxion

6 жыл бұрын

Cut to tank drifting

Do you depress a gun by telling it that it's a useless pile of scrap?

@nicholaswilson7734

6 жыл бұрын

You can tell a gun many things , but what it thinks of itself depresses it most

@medicat6494

6 жыл бұрын

Don Bastardo That's a different anime...

@VarietyGamerChannel

6 жыл бұрын

You assume its gender and say you voted for Trump.

@whazzat8015

5 жыл бұрын

Some guns have a poor self image

@dignanzero1445

5 жыл бұрын

@@VarietyGamerChannel & Trigger it in its safe space

I'd say the most underrated stat of a tank is reliability. Few if any games address that feature of tanks, and historically it has knocked out more tanks than anything else

@josephdedrick9337

6 жыл бұрын

because being able to keep 2 times as many tanks in the field do to 2x better reliability is more efficient then making 2x the number of 1/2 as reliable tanks and deal with crews,logistics,etc.

@Nothing2150

6 жыл бұрын

Dracarys Blackfyre hearts of iron gives all machines of war a reliability stat that is easy to forget about until you realise more planes are going out for malfunction than combat losses

@josephdedrick9337

6 жыл бұрын

it just adds fire risk i believe in wot

@drewwreds6934

6 жыл бұрын

Few games address it because unless it's a macro-level game, it's just not a fun mechanic. Imagine driving a tank in game and it just breaks down and you're stuck there until someone comes and puts you out of your misery... not fun for anyone really.

@endorsedbryce

6 жыл бұрын

Also, Produceability. Doesn't matter if one of Tank A can kill Ten of Tank B if You can make 15 of tank B For every Tank A. I had a History teacher once who when talking about his expectations for homework, would say: "I always prefer quality over quantity, except when producing tanks."

We need World of Phalanxes* so that the internet goes as mad about ancient history as it has about tank history.

@Antigonus.

6 жыл бұрын

*I know the plural of phalanx is phalanges but to 99% of the people in the world that doesn't mean anything

@iceshadow207

6 жыл бұрын

Total War: Arena

@nottoday3817

6 жыл бұрын

Total War Arena. Developed by SEGA and Wargaming. And, yeah. A phalanx is big problem there.

@looper1486

6 жыл бұрын

Ἀντίγονος lol world of tanks is trash. Its not even realistic, you mean war thunder but more like war pikemen? :P

@vanders4198

6 жыл бұрын

Then we need Phalanx Thunder to come along and be a better phalanx game in every way.

The most important weapon? The pommel, obviously

@Muritaipet

6 жыл бұрын

Do they fire the pommel from the main gun, or do they throw the pommel?

@erwinlommer197

6 жыл бұрын

The most important weapon is the trebuchet of course.

@GuitarsRockForever

6 жыл бұрын

Surely the most important and over powered weapon is a katana made from steel with millions of layers.

@pichofiraviyah8492

6 жыл бұрын

swallow a pommel mate

@ethanhatcher5533

6 жыл бұрын

Why not a bit of both?

Gun depression, or rather lack thereof, is one of the most consistently aggravating things I have to deal with in War Thunder.

@LordKebise

6 жыл бұрын

Especially with Soviet tanks, too much of a tradeoff in my mind for the reduced height.

@Langsvardet

6 жыл бұрын

Depression is depressing with some designs.

@vaclav_fejt

6 жыл бұрын

I concentrate on German planes, so I drive Americans. I like my M4's. Lookin' cool, adequate armour and mobility, good guns (yes, I already have HVAP and/or 76mm). I've had most success with M6A1 and M4A1 76 recently.

@victoriaevelyn3953

6 жыл бұрын

that game is aggravating sometimes you just pump shells into a shitty tank only for it to survive and blow you up with one hit fucking broken mechanics

@badatdota2811

6 жыл бұрын

When you get the m4a3 that thing has enough armor to deal with a tiger

It’s not a design issue but a highly trained and competent crew is a major factor in the value of that tank on the battlefield. One at Yakima firing center I had to go out to the site of a two tank collision. They were doing a night march and the lead driver got lap full of night vision optics because he forgot to secure it properly and bounced off when he hit a bump in the road. I’m pretty sure he was hitting the high notes all night long. His gun (in travel lock) lanced the tank following him. after he stomped on the brakes. No one died nor did the turret come off but it definitely jacked that turret up. There were gallons of what looked like hydraulic fluid splashed all over the place. Dude was in deep doo doo.

Pro tip, if you're fighting in T-72 and need few extra degrees of gun depression, whisper to your gun how rifled guns are superior.

When I hear gun depression all I think about are guns who are suicidal but they can’t kill them selfs because the only gun nearby is them and so they’re so close to ending it and yet so far away

@nates9778

6 жыл бұрын

charlie hermansson they are so depressed that they depress into their own tank and they fire

When these two get together it's the military history equivalent of Murray Walker and James Hunt doing Formula 1 racing commentary.

This was 7 minutes of an adult version of “but why?”

@Fedaykin24

6 жыл бұрын

Well that is because we have 'Lindybeige' who has absolutely no practical knowledge or experience of Tanking yet loves to assert anecdotal stories from (mainly) British war memoirs as fact talking to 'Chieftain' a man with decades of professional experience in Armoured warfare and takes the time to research the actual records rather than immediately believe anecdotal evidence...

@Maus5000

6 жыл бұрын

Scathing

@a.morphous66

6 жыл бұрын

Fedaykin24 Well the way you talk about it I’d take it that you are the single most impressive authority on tank design and history of all time and that you know everything to ever know about the subject and can compose an entirely unscripted and uncut 20 minute talk without any factual errors at will. If not, stop complaining.

@Fedaykin24

6 жыл бұрын

No I am not but neither is Lindybeige which is my core observation, he can waffle for 20 minutes about anecdotes.

@JonathanBennettKorea

6 жыл бұрын

So you must be able to do the thing perfectly before you can critique people doing it? Then why did you write a critique of his post when you can't write a sentence without making it a run-on?

please sir, more tanks!!!

@bbdawise

6 жыл бұрын

MOOOOORE?! You want MOOOORE?!?!?!

@lancaster5077

6 жыл бұрын

It's an Irish tank commander - they have lots of tanks, hence the expression "Tanks a Million"

@chrishill3785

6 жыл бұрын

+Lancaster50 you are aware that Ireland has a small armed forces and that phrase is pure Holywood

@quentinmyself

6 жыл бұрын

Watch an anime titled "Girls und Panzer": myanimelist.net/anime/14131/Girls_und_Panzer

@lednybeeg3474

6 жыл бұрын

az long as dey r beige tanks viv no man turrets

Great video sir! Which a mong like me could make sure inspiring content as yours!! 👍🙂

@SUNKENCOMET

2 жыл бұрын

Wish*

love how stubborn you guys are it makes for good conversation

Is no one going to comment on the "running in the 90's" bit. 6:51

@orestogams

6 жыл бұрын

Garrick Millard You did.

@gorman971

6 жыл бұрын

Was searching for that comment

@uelideschwart4056

6 жыл бұрын

I actually heard that song for the first time about 10 minutes ago. It was the video I watched before clicking on this one. craaaazy coincidence

@KaizoeAzurum

6 жыл бұрын

The Challenger II is running in the 90's, it's a new way for it to be, it's a new way to set it free.

@orlandosouthcott330

6 жыл бұрын

I think we all did inside

Those pots to launch smoke grenades are terrible for hiding cans of beer. But it's fun when the vibration of the enginge makes the beer cans pop.

@bryanmartinez6600

5 жыл бұрын

I always thought...what if we loaded them with mortars. Would make a good anti infantry weapon if you spam shrapnel.

I want to see a Lindybeige, Chieftain, and Forgotten Weapons crossover

One of my favourite things is watching two nerds that know more than me about something just talk about that something.

It is great to see you two guys together. I’ve been watching you both for a couple years, but never imagined you’d collaborate. Very enjoyable.

Tanks for the new video, Lindybeige. Love your content

Having watched a great many of Nick Moran's videos, I felt sure he was going to say: "How many of the crew can sleep on the hull".

@Akm72

6 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I was thinking!

@russianspy5307

6 жыл бұрын

I think if he designed a tank it would be 75% engine deck and 12.5% optics and 12.5% stowage bins

@Akm72

6 жыл бұрын

So basically a TOG2 with modern optics and extra stowage bins.

@cannon___fodder3344

6 жыл бұрын

John Elrick ,,, i was surprised that nick didn’t mention ‘the log’

@Akm72

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe tanks should be fitted with zero/zero rocket-powered ejection seats like jet fighters... I can't see any reason why sitting on a couple of rockets would be a bad idea when you're already sharing your metal box with scores of large-calibre shells filled with explosive and the associated propellant!

I'm glad I was up until 3 in the morning and watching 6:51 min worth of video so I could get a quality Initial D reference.

@embretr

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't get it. Need to rewatch it all now.

Just found this channel love what you built here ! Can’t stop watching

Very nice conversation you had with one another! And how you got together at the 'camouflage' point through examples and comparisons

The ability to cross a trench is what tanks were designed to accomplish, and the best tank for trench crossing was the TOG II*

@mondaysinsanity8193

6 жыл бұрын

Nexfero cross no man's land*

@seanrea550

6 жыл бұрын

design considerations have changed. yes an early design consideration was to be able to cross trenches. that is not what we need tanks for now though

@2adamast

6 жыл бұрын

Char 2C 10cm (=4") longer 1921

@berndberndsen5680

6 жыл бұрын

Nexfero the TOG II* was built to cross the mariana trench

@henrikschunk5732

6 жыл бұрын

GLORIOUS British engineering

Worth it, just for the joke at the end :)

These conversations are awesome. Keep them coming

Great chat. I could have listened to them both all day.

The most important weapon on the battlefield is Venetian Blinds... or it will be curtains for all of us!

Finally, someone taller than lindy.

@umartdagnir

6 жыл бұрын

Which is unusual for a tanker.

More like this please, love these two guys, I think it would be very interesting to listen to them discuss many topics Cheers from Tokyo

Awesome video as usual LB. I always considered myself a little bit of a WW2 buff but your knowledge of the subject, especially when it comes to tanks, is remarkable.

u get me up 4:00 AM for this man...... TY

@Hermann-lz2jb

6 жыл бұрын

Pedro Henrique Tamaso good morning

Commander: Quoick, depress the gun ! Me: Nobody likes you, gun.

I gave thumbs up, for this discusion, never to end. Keep up the good work, I enjoy both of your vids.

Love these shorter videos. Love tanks. Thanks Lloyd & Nick

How about drawing a circle around the tank, assessing the angles of vision each optic can cover and valuing it in a number of degrees out of 360. Bonuses for fully traversing independent optics.

@The_Aninimouse

6 жыл бұрын

I think the problem is that it's still a lot more complicated than that, even ignoring types of optics and their ease of access/use. The vertical aspect of your field of view is important too, both to see what's above the tank and what's so close to the tank that it might be below the line of sight of optics. There's probably still a way to add all of that up if we pull out the trigonometry or whatever, but I'm not sure how useful it would actually be in the end.

My gun is usually depressed... but now it's on Zoloft.

@oejlen

6 жыл бұрын

maybe try viagra?

Your tank videos are lovely!

Great video always great to see you 2 together very interesting

I'd argue that crew comfort and ergonomics are the most underrated. In a cramped and badly laid out turret with controls dotted here there and everywhere you'll struggle to get anything done, even if you have the best engine, the thickest/best laid out armour and the most powerful gun. With bad ergonomics the crew will be working against the vehicle, thus leading to them not being able to use its strengths to the fullest.

@fdsdh1

6 жыл бұрын

Gareth Fairclough anyone who has been inside a T72 will definitely agree

@garethfairclough8715

6 жыл бұрын

I remember reading something some time ago about MIGs given to Soviet allies vs the fighters given to US allies during the 60s and 70s, like the F-5. The MIGs were better on paper, some significantly, than the F-5 and often matched the fighters used by the US themselves. Where the MIGs fell down, however, was ergonomics. The pilot of a MIG just couldn't make the full use of his fighter, while the F-5 pilot could. The air to air battles ended up being generally fairly even, due to ergonomics. Now if I could just find the source I got that from.... It's damned annoying when I can't remember where I found something!

Availability would be my most underrated characteristic of a tank in my opinion... What good is a tank, if it ain't there when you need it. Availability is broken down into several categories; production - no general would be content with 4 tanks. Cost - what else would a general rather have then a tank for the money. Fuel efficiency - the Abrams tank gets half a mile to the gallon... Of jet fuel... This is acceptable only because we have the ability to support that need. Mobility - if it can't beat the terrain how can you expect it to beat the enemy. Of these producibility would probably be the most important aspect. The T-34 had physical gaps in the hull where the metal didn't line up right from the production line. Rivets we're missing in places and weld marks were sloppy Many we're made without gun sights, telling the Crew to use Kentucky windage in those cases. Many we're not paineted at all. Coming out of the factory rust red. The controls were crude and the idea of crew comfort was a joke.... And the German getting shot by it's machingun didn't care about any of that. And the soldiers who were huddled behind that moving steel wall taking all the enemy fire didn't care about it's color. It was made to do a job, and was made to be there when the guy on the ground needed it... A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. And it is for that reason why it is one of, if not THE greatest tank ever made.

@carbon1255

6 жыл бұрын

You missed reliability.

@elidennison9902

6 жыл бұрын

Carbon 12 yeah that too... Lol.

That ending was fantastic. Quality content.

I realy love when you talk about tanks in general but even better when chatting with The Cheiftain!!!

Oh yeah look at that tank! It's beige.

How do you bond with your fellow man? Well, i initiate a debate about tank characteristics and which is more effective in different conditions. When we have been going at it for hours and everyone around us is dry eyed and staring into nothing, we are the 2 blokes left stading, we are friends for life

@josephdedrick9337

6 жыл бұрын

and it might be time to get your mark 1. eyeball optics checked as well.

Audio was great even when turning to the tank. Great video, your personalities together make entertaining videos.

I really like the videos of you two.

Most underrated trait. Reverse gears, or lack there off. Say what you want about how great the Cromwell and Churchill are. But when your maximum reverse speed is capped to a single mile per hour. Who though that was a good idea? The Cromwell can drive almost 40 miles an hour forwards, you've come up on the enemies flank place a good shots in Jarries side not to fall back, and reposition for the next attack, but what's this your suddenly being outpaced by your nannies walker. Changing all the road sides in Britism wouldn't have halter the German Tiger because they could have backed up in a timely manner before they eventually broke down a ways up the road. Unless the single reverse gear was a secretly geniuses invention by an engineer who wanted more excuses to have tea breaks. "Oh blimey, we tuck a wrong turn. It'll take us an hour to get back to the main road. Best to put the kettle on and brake out the biscuits."

@fdsdh1

6 жыл бұрын

EndlesNights I think it was more like 2mph, which is about the same as the Panther I think. One of the reasons for having a slow reverse was to allow the tanks to turn on the spot (gearbox can only do so much!) which is really useful in urban environments, it also mitigates the slow reverse a bit.

@DwHockey68

5 жыл бұрын

The reverse for the Abrams is excellent.

I feel vision is underrated because whenever i look at any tank, modern or old i don't see much in the means of spotting anything!

@aickavon

6 жыл бұрын

ah, the tank newbie. Welcome, to the community that adores tanks.

@spamuraigranatabru1149

6 жыл бұрын

Well you are wrong in your assumption, i have been into tanks for a while but i've not looked into tank optics and visibility!

@aickavon

6 жыл бұрын

seems like a strange thing to gloss over...

Love the tank and ww2 videos (Like all the videos but personal interest in particular in WW2), thanks for another great viewing for my morning at work.

well done bit at the end about depressing the gun! Laughed too much. great work again.

6:50 "Running in the 90s"

I hope he's not offended by being cut off mid sentence...

Great team work gents. Please sirs can I have some more!

YOU 2 MADE MY DAY!!!!!! More please!!!

Ah Gun Depression, the number one preventable killer of tanks worldwide.

Ｔ　Ｈ　Ｉ　Ｃ　Ｃ　armour. I did the meme.

@EEYore-py1bf

6 жыл бұрын

The thiccness is Jewish?

@user-iq3xc5gc1f

6 жыл бұрын

Nah mate it's futhorc.

@EEYore-py1bf

6 жыл бұрын

I was talking to the guy who put the parenthesis around 'thicc'. Triple parenthesis means Jewish.

@user-iq3xc5gc1f

6 жыл бұрын

And I was talking to That One Dude Irritating how KZread stopped putting peoples names in responses.

@GebTM

6 жыл бұрын

ᛋᛖᚪᛉᛖ ᚹᚫᚳᚾᚪᚾ what does your name mean in English? Or perhaps you can tell me what kind of runes you are using and then I can translate them myself

Great video and discussion.

The two of you together are great.

'Gun depression in world of Tanks... the ones with little ANNOY THE HECK OUTTA ME' Ah I see a fellow Chinese Medium line player

@namewarvergeben

6 жыл бұрын

So, would you say that little gun depression leads to...severe gun-depression?

@Steamed

6 жыл бұрын

namewarvergeben BADUM-TSSSSSS

This is a very offensive tank... Every Tanks is offensive cause they are a weapon of the patriarchy

@flaviusstilicho1239

6 жыл бұрын

Heinz Guderian Tanks are so offensive that their guns are easily depressed.

@2adamast

6 жыл бұрын

Female tanks?

@willythemailboy2

6 жыл бұрын

Adamast Female tanks? Tanks with their bits designed to be penetrated don't sound very effective or safe to operate.

@XKCDism

6 жыл бұрын

no more like tanks that identify as woman

@2adamast

6 жыл бұрын

Originally named "destroyer" or "man-killing" tank became "Female" tank in 1916

two awsome people togeather. the ever famous Lindybeige, and the chieftain :D MORE PLEASE

You never disappoint!

The most overlooked aspect of tank design would be comfort

@tiberiu_nicolae

6 жыл бұрын

pokeslasher How many cup holders does it have?

I think that would be directed energy reactive armour.

@Starwarsgeek-98

6 жыл бұрын

EternalFriendly no one has employed powerful enough laser or plasma tecg for it to be neccesary

@PoliticallyDonutTasty

6 жыл бұрын

Andrés Caraballo You don't need technology that needs the power of a small nuclear reactor. Just let another ERA projectile jump out of a dispenser.

@Starwarsgeek-98

6 жыл бұрын

EternalFriendly dude that is really a long way off Lasers are just starting to be considered for drone defence and eventually anto missile defence But having mobile energy weapons strong enough to be a threat to amor is a long way off. You cant expect the military industrial complex to star worrying about that when they need to worry about actuve protection against rockets, missiles, and shells.

@PoliticallyDonutTasty

6 жыл бұрын

Andrés Caraballo The Russians and Israeli are already employing it to fight against kinetic and thermal penetrators.

@Starwarsgeek-98

6 жыл бұрын

EternalFriendly the americans are employing it for cws defence Still a way off from anti tank

That ending bit, brilliant!

And that boys is how an argument should work... civilized- with the idea of both parties coming to a better understanding of the topic they're arguing about from differing perspectives. Good Job Lindy!

I would say that two of the most under appreciated design features of tanks (and ones rarely discussed in computer games) are ease of servicing and ease of repair. Maintaining control of the battlefield after a fight is crucial, because you can recover damaged tanks and repair them (or strip them for parts). The Sherman is often disparaged for not having as heavy armament or armor as German tanks. However, the Sherman was far easier to maintain and repair, so they could be returned to the fight quicker.

@anttihuhtala5840

6 жыл бұрын

I so much agree with this too. Fortunately, most of todays tanks are moving towards this direction in design.

@krmould

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I have seen the Leopard II where I worked. A team of trained technicians can swap the entire powerpack in under one hour in the middle of a field (with use of a crane on an Armoured Recovery Vehicle). They only do basic maintenance on the engine inside the tank. If there is a major problem, they can pull engine completely out and have full access to work on it.

@anttihuhtala5840

6 жыл бұрын

It's like comparing M4 sherman and bradley maintenance. And we know how that story goes. But if only Sherman would have had good attributes of panther... or panther good atributes of sherman. btw I once heard argument about tracks between Leopard and T-72... Later one is far more prone to throw its tracks off. But then again, getting those back on, is matter of dosen minutes while with leopard... it takes much longer... more than an hour. Although its very difficult to get them off on first hand on well maintained Leopard.

@krmould

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, I totally agree. Everything in tank design is a compromise. The classic one is armament vesus armor versus mobility (pick any two). Modern tanks have come a long way and now you can (for the most part) have all three. Certainly tracks are another challenging part of designing a tank. Some of the problems can be avoided with good crew training.

@anttihuhtala5840

6 жыл бұрын

Did you see my recent reply to this video? You might like that. And yes you are correct, but... that holy triangle is not everything no longer. There is so much more that matters and that can make difference. For example... things mentioned on this video, then crew training as you mentioned, intelligence, also.. perhaps tank being able to use drone would be lot too. And then there are things we have not even considered. Like, what about if tanks could be located without actually seeing those? I believe that it is already possible! btw.. Crew training truly makes some difference. It makes operating tank, safer and much more effective. Also.. training is not only about knowing... crowing into routines of doing things right way... and to have that working chemistry with your crew. Hell.. that matters too. Try to do things with new crew and that is way more slow and might have awkward issues. Like, crewmember not understanding what you actually want or why.

my guns depressed, now it wont get out of bed in the morning & is contemplating suicide.

@alexandermoon6349

6 жыл бұрын

Doe's it still have a job or was it fired?

@blackdeath4eternity

6 жыл бұрын

iv let it know i have work if it wants it, but alas i think being fired so many times might be part of why its depressed.

Just discovered this channel. So freakin cool

you tank stuff is great, mostly because your passion and knowledge shine.

Russian tankers morale is always up. No depression, no problems.

@josephdedrick9337

6 жыл бұрын

i think vodka may be a factor there...just an idea.

running in the 90's?

@GooglyEyedJoe

6 жыл бұрын

As in its in the 90-100% instead of the 60% he mentioned before.

@finncena5972

6 жыл бұрын

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Great video. Nice Ghostbusters reference too.

This video is awesome. Keep it up!!!

sorry lindy, warthunder is objectivly better. tanks dont have health bars, they have vital parts, and crew!

@nathanparrish9956

6 жыл бұрын

Yay someone agrees with me on the internet!

@axeavier

6 жыл бұрын

lindy never said it was worse. But WT does have health bars. On the bottom left all the crew and modules are respresented with health colours. So instead of it being a bar with a number, health is represented in colour. In WoT they also have modules and crew that are affected. tl;dr both games are the same shit in a different pile.

@LordKebise

6 жыл бұрын

War Thunder is a far better game for realistic play, WoT is fun as a relaxed time killer.

@axeavier

6 жыл бұрын

Realistic in what sense? Using binos when the commander is dead? Minimal spalling? It's realistic in that there are modes where you don't see team mates/enemies, shell penetration as opposed to general damage splatter and aiming reticle but that's it. Both games are based on using the map/terrain to your advantage and thats it

@tudordumitrescu8707

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly i think wot is more tactical about how you use your hitpoints and such unlike warthunder where you can get oneshot from a km away. Sure warthunder is more realistic but realism doesn't always make for better gameplay. Just my two cents

I am depressed idk why

@Rayechel

6 жыл бұрын

Good video tho

@xel_los

6 жыл бұрын

Wanna talk about it?

@jacquesfrancois4275

6 жыл бұрын

How regularly does your turret discharge?

@Rayechel

6 жыл бұрын

Commander Cody got dms?

@Schnittertm1

6 жыл бұрын

You are a Panzerfaust, you can't get depressed because you faust Panzers, both those with depressed and those with optimistic guns. So, go out there and do your job!

Can we just have a multi hour episode of these chaps chatting about tanks? That would make my day.

Nicely done. Thank you.

First? Jk I’m not a loser

@HumanRights4Everyone

6 жыл бұрын

You sure about that?

@nathanbrown8680

6 жыл бұрын

By the standards given in the video he's not doing very well. He made himself visible before any of us did.

Chieftain cheated.

That joke at the very end... I did a double take, but when it hit me... Wow... Pure comedic genius! Well done, sir.

More of this please.

Only 7 minutes of tank talk? Talk about Depressed guns.

@Antropovich

6 жыл бұрын

and talk about raging guns

I don't have anything clever to say. Disregard this comment

@_Mentat

6 жыл бұрын

OK, consider it disregarded.

@bbdawise

6 жыл бұрын

*regarding intensifies*

@hermitoldguy6312

6 жыл бұрын

I, too, am here.

@vishmonster

6 жыл бұрын

Gottem!

@lednybeeg3474

6 жыл бұрын

teh normins ver net french

The thing I like about these videos is Lindybeige is really good at asking questions. I don’t think that he necessarily disagrees with the Chieftain, but he asks the questions and really fleshes out the Chieftains argument. It makes them both look more educated on the topic.

I just love how much these guys low-key don't like each other very much, but they put on good smiles for the camera.

I love you guys chating !! So fun

A nice robust discussion!

Beautiful comic edit at the end, playing the music over the never-ending argument. :-)

I love the well argued discussion of absolute metrics versus relative metrics =