if I were a low rank conscript, and a division comander gave me an order in the middle of battle. I would conclude that someone somewhere screwed up, and that we are losing.

@kokofan50

7 жыл бұрын

Most of the time that might be true, but now and then you get the crazies like Patton.

@johnharker7194

7 жыл бұрын

I would be used to it after North Africa.

@oofman2153

7 жыл бұрын

if i were a low rank conscript a hole the size of an SMLE bullet may find it's way into my foot

@RedShocktrooperRST

7 жыл бұрын

@Guacamoli Cheese A court martial might have a funny way of making you wish you hadn't shot yourself. This is, of course, assuming they even notice and don't make you charge anyway.

@MrChickennugget360

7 жыл бұрын

in the Soviet or German Army they would have given you a matching hole in the back of your head.

So each british leutanant had his own batman? No wonder the nazis lost.

@chrisnguyen1186

5 жыл бұрын

What did he actually say though?

@alancox5777

5 жыл бұрын

Batman or bagman.

@SamoanKiwi

5 жыл бұрын

Alan Cox A batman or an orderly is a soldier or airman assigned to a commissioned officer as a personal servant. Before the advent of motorized transport, an officer's batman was also in charge of the officer's "bat-horse" that carried the pack saddle with his officer's kit during a campaign.

@alancox5777

5 жыл бұрын

It’s a bag man not a batman! I know what a bagman is having been a pl sgt 😂 ps check your spelling and it’s a bit off

@scottz9834

5 жыл бұрын

Alan Cox Its not bagman, his spelling is correct. Bat derives from the French term that meant "pack horse". On the other hand, I have found no evidence for the military existence of "bagmen". Also, it is an obsolete term, did you serve in WW2 by chance?

well now you have to do battalion

@maniacbanana9431

7 жыл бұрын

if he has enough models :P

@choppergamer

7 жыл бұрын

he can just say that 1 model represent 4 people or so

@jackarmstrong8790

7 жыл бұрын

Dank Meme then he must do the next unit up

@EtzEchad

7 жыл бұрын

〈Chopper Gamer〉 I want him to do the entire WWII British army in 1:1 scale. :)

@floridferret4585

7 жыл бұрын

but where's he going to find that many people?

So a Major gets to know his men, all 150 of them, which is about the maximum number of people a person can know reasonably well. What happens to his 150 friends back home?

@ImperatorRom

7 жыл бұрын

It's a rough estimate, Dunbar actually states between 100 and 250, but still... it's the number of people you currently are more knowledgeable about, that of course varies depending on the situation, say you move from your current address to another part of the country or abroad, or say you go to war, you don't entirely forget about the other people, you just don't know or register what they currently are doing or what is your position in their relationships. Also your brain isn't a fixed organ, it changes it's structures a bit according to it's use. So if you really want to know and relate to more people you have to train and focus a lot in your social skills (you know those people that are social butterflies and seem to know everybody?) although after some point you probably hit some hard cap, I don't know how much can the neo-cortex grow to accommodate such use. After that it's long term memory and other things... But hey there are people out there with almost perfect memory, so... it's both use and some genetic luck ;)

@vathek5958

7 жыл бұрын

But also 150 would be a pretty huge company. Usually you're talking more like 100 (30 max to a section, 3 sections plus half a dozen in the HQ).

@christopherknorr2895

7 жыл бұрын

Chuckleluck War changes people.

@clothar23

7 жыл бұрын

I think you men platoon mate , it's three sections on average to a platoon ( 12 men per section on average ) And it's 3 platoons to a company . So on average it's about 100 to 108 fighting men to a company plus whatever support staff you have ( medical, liaisons from HQ, radio men, artillery spotters , and etc) So really 150 men is quite a average estimate of a full strength company.

@rlamacraft

7 жыл бұрын

If you've been on campaign for a few years you're probably going to forget who borrowed a couple of quid from your back home…

Battallion Commander killed: "Oh well, still got a job to do." Platoon Commander killed: "Oh fuck! Sunray is down!"

@johnharker7194

7 жыл бұрын

Games Played Badly that being said. the company comander would be scared to death if the battalion comander was killed. have you ever seen "We were soldiers"? Imagine if Mel Gibson had been killed when everything was falling apart. comand would have had no choice but to try and evacuate. and the communists would have overrun them as soon as enough had left.

@MikhaelAhava

7 жыл бұрын

Major General got shot, a beloved one, well… shit replacements.

@AudieHolland

7 жыл бұрын

"Imagine if Mel Gibson had been killed." Then I guess they would have replaced him with another director.

@JarthenGreenmeadow

7 жыл бұрын

He was the protagonist in the movie

@GoblinKnightLeo

7 жыл бұрын

He was also the director.

US Army here. In my artillery unit, we had much of the same setup for individual weapons as infantry does. Two fire teams per squad/section. First team: Team leader(grenadier)/rifleman/machine gunner(also carrying a rifle)/assistant machine gunner(also a rifleman). Second team: Team leader(AT rocket)/rifleman/marksman/light machine gunner. In addition we had a squad leader for a total of 9 men per squad/section. I was the machine gunner with the M240B because everyone thought it would be funny to make the shortest guy carry the heaviest weapon + a rifle.

@NuggetInAJar

4 жыл бұрын

Jonah Shook not tall enough

@yoloman3607

4 жыл бұрын

“A taller MG gunner catches more shrapnel” -bigbrain testing division

@peterknutsen3070

3 жыл бұрын

How was that an artillery unit?

@mickeycrilly1839

3 жыл бұрын

I also am of short arse stature and I also was given in the U.K. armed forces the GPMG and a load of spare ammo as well as my personal weapon,mind you I was also 15 stone solid muscle ,all shoulders ,arms and big F off legs as well as being SF ,must be an army thing brother ha ha

@ulysses8910

2 жыл бұрын

"US Army here" * doggo-bulbasaur profile pic *

Here is a description of units in Commonwealth Forces and who would command them: Patrol/Fireteam - 4x men (Lance Corporal) Section - 2x Patrols/Fireteams (Corporal) Platoon/Troop/Flight - 3x Sections (2nd Lieutenant - Captain) Company/Battery/Squadron - 3x+ Platoons/Troops/Flights (Captain/Major) Battalion/Commando - 5x Companies (Lieutenant Colonel) Regiment - 3x Battalions/5x Squadrons/Batteries (Lieutenant Colonel/Colonel) Brigade - 3x+ Battalions/Regiments/Commandos (Brigadier) Division - 3x+ Brigades (Major General) Corps - 2x+ Divisions (Lieutenant General) Field Army - 2x+ Corps (General) Army Group - 2x+ Field Armies (Field Marshal) Army Region/Theatre - 2x+ Army Groups (Field Marshal) Note administrative regiments and corps use different units in their hierarchy. Pltn - Coy - Btln = used by Infantry, Intelligence and Technicians Tp - Coy - Cmdo = used by Marines Tp - Sqn - Regt = used by Tankers, Special Forces, Cavalry, Engineers, Signallers, Logistics and Medics Flt - Sqn - Regt = used by Aviators Tp - Bty - Regt = used by Artillery Pltn - Coy - Regt = used by Military Police

"Dad, were you a hero during the Great Meme War of 2015-2016?" "No son, but I served in a company of heroes."

@GeorgePerakis

7 жыл бұрын

More like Company of Shitlords.

@Bladsmith

7 жыл бұрын

Company of Deplorables.

@oz_jones

7 жыл бұрын

Kek Company.

7 жыл бұрын

Wargame Red Meme Gon

@GreasyGoose

7 жыл бұрын

Special Shitposting Service

Basically the same as a Roman century. The Centurion had 80 men plus additional personel making around a hundred in number. He would have known all the other Centurions and many of the optio as well as Legion commanders and special services people like the medic and quartermasters. That probably didn't come to more than a 150 people.

@megarepal

4 жыл бұрын

Lithuanian Scot Now I know a Legion Centurion is about the same rank of an NCR Major.

@667halomaster

4 жыл бұрын

@@megarepal patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

@issacarellano9909

4 жыл бұрын

megarepal except the centurion fights

@benjaminodonnell258

2 жыл бұрын

@@megarepal I always thought "centurion" was basically Roman for NCO...

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminodonnell258 No, he was definitely equivalent of today's officer. NCO never commands a unit of 80+ soldiers.

But how did those tiny Brittish soldiers sin the war? I mean - I have met Germans. And they are the size of normal men, while your soldiers are åt the size of a matchbox.

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

Pluck.

@synovialpig9983

5 жыл бұрын

Tiny paratroopers need tiny planes.... harder to spot!

@TsarNicholasII5437

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha lite svensk humor är bäst

@cab711

5 жыл бұрын

What is this??? An army for ants?

@imapopo2924

5 жыл бұрын

@@cab711 No no... It's any army OF ants.

size of my neocortex is very small indeed

Nailed it. I am in the US Marine Corps. And the psychology is pretty spot on. I wouldn't follow orders from just any officer. And the whole schpeel about its about the company, absolutely it is!

Lloyd, Hail the Beige Supreme! Have you considered doing videos about Battalions, Regiments, Brigades and such. I am an author and have found these videos both informative and very enjoyable to watch. Thank you for the bountiful harvest of videos recently!

@thenerdylad882

7 жыл бұрын

anonny mouse I feared that.

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

I am DEFINITELY not going to paint up a 1:1 figure scale division! I may do other units, yes, although I think it works better when i have something unusual to say about a unit, rather than merely describing what it was. Some unit types vary far more between nations and service arms, and don't lend themselves so well to a video like this. Battalion to company is much like company is to platoon. Regiments are rather British in nature and don't have equivalents in all armies.

@thenerdylad882

7 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige Maybe you could do Regimental histories, oh Lord Beige.

@Riceball01

7 жыл бұрын

One thing about these higher levels of command is that, despite what Lloyd suggests, you would generally know your higher command officers, at least the commanders. You may not know them well but you'd certainly recognize your Battalion, Regimental/Brigade, and Division commanders even if you don't regularly interact with them. Of course, this does vary a bit from unit to unit depending on how close (physically) you are to your parent unit. In the US often times battalions, even companies are not on the same base, sometimes not even the same state as their higher headquarters. At any rate, the standard definition of a battalion and higher is 2 or more of the lower level unit. So, a battalion consists of 2 or more companies, but in practice (once again in the US and the Marine Corps in particular) a battalion is made up of 3 line companies (regular infantry, tanks, or whatever), a heavy weapons company, and a headquarters company. A regiment would be organized similarly minus the heavy weapons but they'd probably have some other regiment level only asset instead. So, basically a US battalion, regiment/brigade, & division is 3 line units, a headquarters, and 1 or more specialized assets.

@NoFaithNoPain

7 жыл бұрын

Lloyd, I have a friend who was a sniper in Goose green a few hundred yards away from the incident where H Jones was killed. He still lives in Blackpool and is a friend of the actor David Thewlis (who also played a Falklands veteran incidentally and got a lot of good character info from him.. I also got a lift off a guy driving back to Aldershot in the Lakes who was there (I was hitchhiking). Your description of what the men thought when Col. H Jones was shot was "diplomatic" in comparison to what I heard, In fact, some of what I heard should never really go in a video.

rediculous, a company is clearly 2 people, havent you ever heard 2s company 3s a crowd ?

@jorunholm9060

5 жыл бұрын

mcpartridgeboy i strongly disagree this is war after all

@MarcosElMalo2

4 жыл бұрын

You, sir, are a unit.

@joshuarankin1905

4 жыл бұрын

1 is the loaniest, 2 is a conversation & 3 is a conspiracy!

@MarcosElMalo2

4 жыл бұрын

Joshua Rankin yes, one is the loaniest number that you’ll ever do.

@BigAl4244

4 жыл бұрын

@@MarcosElMalo2 "Suck my unit."

Lindybeige is one of the most interesting channels on the internet. Hes a great resource for history lovers.

One thing we theorized during my American Civil War reenacting days was that 100 men is about the limit that can hear your voice commands in linear warfare. If you position yourself in the middle of a line of infantry your voice can't really be clearly heard or understood past 150 feet or so, which is about 50 men to your left and 50 men to your right. And that's without battle noises and other movements making noise. I suspect the range would be the same in the days of sword and spear. Just an observation.

@samh1022

7 жыл бұрын

El Grande Dave thanks for sharing.

@shuttheheckupkarl6153

5 жыл бұрын

El Grande Dave but I would imagine you guys would have drummer boys that would relay the order down the line, similar to the real deal

@thetrain47539

5 жыл бұрын

In times of sword and spear the soldiers couldn't hear orders except for the front line, the others just copied what the ones in front did.

@oldegrunt5735

4 жыл бұрын

@@shuttheheckupkarl6153 drum and bugle calls were great for smaller fights but imagine multi companies/battalions all using their musicians to relay orders....our unit the 21st OVI did use our drummers at Gettysburg 135 but we were only one in the ad hoc battalion to do so.

Everything Loyd is saying is completely correct Personal Story about one of my battalion commanders: Deployed in afghanistan, the biggest threat for the first 2 months of deployment was direct enemy action. We did a lot of fighting. But then everything quieted down and the biggest threat became IEDs. During this "calm" period or BN commander decided to help out his command staff and try to "get them some field experience". In reality, none of them had seen any real action so they didn't have a combat action ribbon and were hunting medals and awards. So the BN commander, Sgt Major, Intel Officer, Sigan Officer and the freakin Chaplain decided to go on a patrol. Together. At the same time. With only 1 radio operator and 1 sgt as escort. Noone else on the patrol had any experience on the ground or in the streets other than the 2 lower ranked enlisted. The entire battalion lost all respect for the BN command staff because they weren't doing their damn jobs and staying safe so they could properly support the rest of us, support the fighting men. Their jb was to give us as much help as possible so we face minimal risk once bullets start flying. Their incompetent patrols put the entire BN at risk.

@taolandin

7 жыл бұрын

Did they survive their random patrol?

@kevlarburrito6693

7 жыл бұрын

No it most definitely was not "completely correct".

@JayneCobb88

7 жыл бұрын

Rad Bromance sadly, yes, though not for a lack of trying. The Chaplain saw "someone" flee down an ally so he immediately pursued. Down an ally. Alone.

@GS-zx1kk

7 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when you put too much pride in medals and not in men, you get people willing to die for a medal, rather than do paper work

@Healermain15

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that sounds like a really dumb idea. I mean, ensuring your command staff has at least some actual experience and knowledge of what the people on the ground go through seems like a good idea in theory, and something that should probably be a mandatory (or highly reccommended) part of someone's training and preparation for, say, everything above junior officers. After all, while a battalion command staff won't interact that much with direct combat (or the people who fight in it), the people below them (company command staff etc) apparently do. So having some experience would help them understand the situation of the people they have to command. (assuming you actually have a conflict to send people to) Of course, you should do that as part of someone's training before they get to that level, or you have existing command staff rotate through a few lower-risk operations in small groups while their back-ups take over their jobs for a while. Going on a random joyride with most of your staff, with barely any escort or experienced people, WHILE YOU'RE IN COMMAND? That's just begging for someone to wipe out half the command structure you served them on a silver platter. Or for a court-martial for abandoning your posts and knowingly taking massive unnecessary risks.

I only recently discovered your channel, but i instantly fell in love with it. The way you talk, tell stories or argue about whatever topic is just amazingly appealing. I think it's because your one of the few people who doesnt leave open holes/questions when arguing. The fact that you can present your thoughts so structured and fluent, rarely loosing track makes me watch every single second of your videos ^^ tl;dr: Great work!

Hmm... may have to dual wield katanas to cut through an entire company.

@Salokin92

7 жыл бұрын

don't forget your Spandau and your Pommel.

@robthehitmanrude

7 жыл бұрын

no memes no.

@Salokin92

7 жыл бұрын

studded leather, spiked armor! WIth Barbwire-Chainmail *****

@GoErikTheRed

7 жыл бұрын

Don't forget to store them in a backscabbard

@amitabhakusari2304

6 жыл бұрын

And torches, they should be everywhere.

Well done, as an ex serving Infantry man of 20 years, I like your explanation of the unit structures and the WHY. Yes, to us it was the section first, the platoon was organically the wider family, the company was something slightly out of our sight, as young soldiers. Obviously as you progress through the ranks you get to see the wider picture, the battalion starts to open up your view even wider. You get to know who to speak too, for favours, to get equipment, stores, FOOD lol. As I progressed even further dealing with the regiment and then across the brigade and all their support arms gives you an organisational feel to the battle group but ... you never lose that feeling of belonging within the section. Those guys are still my mates, 40 years later, thank you Lindybeige

that is a very respectable mustache that major has :)

Oh god Band of Brothers and he shows footage of the first episode, so tragic to see there faces again :(

@Fede_uyz

7 жыл бұрын

their*

@Raz0rking

7 жыл бұрын

now i need to binge watch it again

@fodonzor6847

7 жыл бұрын

Raz0rking yeah feel kinda the same

@JohnyG29

6 жыл бұрын

Fodonzo R THEIR****

For Americans we have Company Commander normally a Captain Company XO (next in command) 1stLT. Company 1st Sgt 4 platoons per company each lead by a Platoon leader (2nd LT) Platoon Sgt (Sgt First Class/Master Sgt) Platoons are made up of 4 squads with each having a Squad leader (Staff Sgt) Fireteam Leader (Cpl) A Squad can be broken in half into two fire teams. The squad leader takes the first fire team and the Fireteam leader will take the 2nd fire team. That way if need be one squad can perform things like suppress and flank maneuvers, bounding, or falling back if need be.

@ashesofempires04

7 жыл бұрын

This. It's uncommon to see a Major in command of a company. They are more often found as Battalion XO or in staff positions at the Brigade level, coordinating logistics, intelligence, and other administrative duties.

@MikhaelAhava

7 жыл бұрын

Platoon composition is as well different, although there are similarities, they as well don't use left-tenant but rather lieutenant.

@RedShocktrooperRST

7 жыл бұрын

It kind of throws me off how "chunky" things are for the British. Same number of men but they're in fewer units.

@samswann3727

7 жыл бұрын

Gungriffen Might be worth pointing out that the modern British platoon is a a little different now days, it's very similar though. The Section is made up of eight men, somtimes a fee more if things like specialists engineers and so on hey attached. It is lead usually by a Corporal or somtimes Sargent, and has the second in command as a Lance Corporal. Four of the men are in Charlie fireteam, consisting of the Ic, a grenadier and two rifle men, the 2ic is in Delta fireteam, with the marksman, the support gunner and two other men (something the supporting roles such as medics or radios operators however usually just two riflemen). Charlies job is to assault and flank the enemy whilst Delta covers, thus why Charlie have the grenadier and why delta have the support gunner. There are three sections to a platoon, (an British section = Us squad I belive), a Hq group, including a second or first lieutenant, two assistants (one with a long range radio) and the platoon Sargent, and platoon weapons usually consisting of GPMG gunners, or perhapse snipers. In total there are about 30 men. Company commanders are also now more commonly captains and have a colour Sargent or Sargent major with them as the second in command.

@clothar23

7 жыл бұрын

This is why I prefer the Canadian way of doing things. Why waste a Sergeant's time commanding 12 men. That's a Master Corporal's job, the Sarge has better things to do, like commanding the platoon or being the Company Sergeant Major.

can you do videos on the next bigger unit size and then the next and so fourth all the way to the division

@rjfaber1991

7 жыл бұрын

He can go all the way to the War Office as far as I'm concerned...

@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719

7 жыл бұрын

+Robert Faber what's the war office

@rjfaber1991

7 жыл бұрын

Nathanael Sallhag Eriksson What is now the Ministry of Defence was called the War Office until the 1960s, when they presumably decided that name was a bit too bellicose...

@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719

7 жыл бұрын

+Robert Faber ah, OK

@RedShocktrooperRST

7 жыл бұрын

The next level up would either be a battalion (the logical step since Lindy mostly covers British infantry) or squadron.

Are you going to talk about tank companies next I love this series of military organization

Quick US rundown..4 to 5 men in a Team (Usually Alhpa team and a Bravo team). 2 Teams in a Squad. 3 to 4 Squads in a PLT with the last squad being a heavy weapons squad that gets split off into the teams. 4 to 5 PLT's in a Company

@50StichesSteel

7 жыл бұрын

Definitley true with knowing the soldiers..Company is about it but with a few others outside in order to get supplies, ammo, etc.. But PLT size is where the closes bonds are. All the way down to Teams where we fight right beside each other

@BuddyLee23

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. I'm assuming this refers to current-ish structure and not WWII or the like? I had, evidently erroneously, thought that fireteams were, or at least could be smaller (2-3?) and that 4 was probably the max amount of platoons comprising a company. What NCOs/officers might you identify with each component?

@Riceball01

7 жыл бұрын

Fireteams, in the Marine Corps at least, consists of 4 men and headed up (usually) by a corporal, then there are 3 - 4 fireteams per squad with the squad leader being a sergeant and isn't a part of any fireteam, from there are 3 - 4 squads to a platoon commanded by a 2nd or 1st Lt. with a Staff Sergeant (sometimes a Gunny) acting as his Platoon Sergeant. The Platoon Sergeant is effectively the platoon's XO (Executive Officer) or second in command and also, most importantly, serves as the teacher for the Platoon Leader. Even though the Platoon Leader technically outranks his Platoon Sergeant he is expected to listen to any suggestions or advice the Platoon Sergeant gives because he, the Platoon Sergeant) has been in much longer than the Platoon Leader and actually knows what he's doing.

@50StichesSteel

7 жыл бұрын

Riceball01 Yes thats very similar to the Army with slight differences here and there..Except we dont have a whole PLT or company made up of your SAW's and 240B's. The SAW's are one to each team with one squad getting a 240B gunner..They are apart of that PLT the whole time

@50StichesSteel

7 жыл бұрын

Chris H Yes your correct and they absolutely could be smaller. That was just a general rundown of a modern infantry company. There are variations and mixes of headquarters, medics, mortar teams, etc.. Depending on how the Captain wants to run it and mission dependant..There were many times in combat that we would run missions in smaller teams if we wanted to keep a lower profile to try and kill or capture a high value target for example

The "number of people you can know personally" is called the Dunbar number en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

@Regolith86

7 жыл бұрын

aka the Monkeysphere.

Love the Band of Brothers reference! It's similar to the scene with Private Blithe; where Lieutenant Winters saw that he wasn't firing his rifle. Winters ran up to him, remembered his name, and gave him orders to start firing on the Germans!

+Lindybeige, have you served in the military? In my time I knew most of my squad well, and maybe 2-3 people from the company. I of course recognized their faces but I can't say I knew most of their names. Dunbar's number didn't quite manifest itself in this normal peace time situation since you already know people outside the service. Later in NCO training and specialization you meet a lot of new people and know mostly the people you share your room with. Ultimately you know your immediate squad, the officers, and the company's oddballs who drank filtered ethanol fuel with pineapple juice.

@rjfaber1991

7 жыл бұрын

As a private or corporal, possibly even a sergeant, I imagine that would be the case, yes. If you were the company major however and your report with 90% of your company is so atrocious that you don't even know their names, I imagine that would have some implications on your ability to command your company...

@clothar23

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah he did, he's mentioned it few times, his military service that is. But then again every single Brit over the age of 38 has spent some time in the army, it used to be mandatory.

@mcpartridgeboy

7 жыл бұрын

no my brother is 41 and he never did, i think compulsary military service went out in (i had to google this) dec 31 1960 ! thats anyone older than 73 years because you had to be 17 !

@worldsfutureleader5952

7 жыл бұрын

hmm I thought after spend some time in boarding school, he went to university. and after that became archaeologist?, in which video he mentioned his service in military?

@clothar23

7 жыл бұрын

World's Future Leader The only one off the top of my head was I think the one were he talked about how he modifies the collars of his shirts. He made an anecdote about a female coworker being surprised that he could sew since he was an ex soldier.

You nailed it Lloyd. As usual. I'm a U.S. Army Iraq vet and the camaraderie and getting to know each other is a huge deal. I knew my commander very well and my 1SG as well. In the U.S. Army, at least in my experience Majors usually do paperwork at BN headquarters though. :) The company is run by the First Sergent and Captain. The platoons are run by the platoon sergeants and Second or First Lieutenants. Sometimes a Warrant officer instead of LT if it's a technical type platoon. Interesting to me that the ranks are one higher basically in the British military. My comment about Majors is kind of an ongoing joke in the service. Because Captains run companies and Lt. Colonels and Colonels run BN's So Majors are usually in some other job at BN Headquarters. Like Admin or something. For a year or so. We like to say they have "command envy". Too high rank for a company and too low for a battalion. Anyway love your stuff as usual Lloyd. Thanks! EDIT: Oh! One more thing. I have seen VERY few Corporals in my career. The U.S. military automatically promotes up to Specialist (E-4) which is the same pay grade as a Corporal but they are NOT an NCO. They are sort of like skilled Privates. When I was deployed a bunch of the Specialists were temporarily promoted to Corporal so they could be team leaders (groups of 4-5) because there was a rule that you had to be an NCO to be a team leader. Once they got home they were "demoted" back to specialists although like I said it's the same pay grade.

@henleinkosh2613

7 жыл бұрын

hmm, here we have another example of diffferent nations doing stuff differently, in Denmark Corporals are not NCO's but about the same thing as you descripe the E-4's, though corporals retain command resposibility. As far as I know, this structure was pretty common during WWII

@spamboli

7 жыл бұрын

it's no coincidence that O-1 through O-3 are "company grade" officers.

@noahhoward2883

7 жыл бұрын

Amadon Faul Thank you for your service, and I wish you a happy (somewhat late) Veteran's Day.

@andrew12bravo21

4 жыл бұрын

I was a specialist team leader while in active duty.

I'd love to see you do these sorts of videos all the way up to corps/army level. (Yes, I know it's harder to be generic the higher you go, but still). I've looked into this stuff before, but these videos explain these organizational-type things to laymen excellently.

@reidparker1848

3 жыл бұрын

Hell, it's harder to be generic at the combat level. Once you go high enough, it's all just old men and clerks. I'm irritated that I attempt to approach military history from the combat level (company to squad and team tactics) because they fascinate me almost as much as weapons design, only to be stifled by the intellectual "establishment" around the subject(s): endless chattering about massive divisions and the rear-area-dwelling politicians (flag officers) who are most focused on by historians/scholars.

No country should be composed of more than one hundred and fifty people.

@lakshen47

7 жыл бұрын

That's a pretty small country ;)

@Grymbaldknight

7 жыл бұрын

Tribalism. What you've just described is tribalism.

@HelmutNevermore

7 жыл бұрын

The first sine qua non of anarchist communism.

@aquiteobesepig1439

7 жыл бұрын

What is that? 30 families? Max? You'll be inbred within two generations.

@lakshen47

7 жыл бұрын

A Quite Obese Pig They just have to breed with people from other countries ;)

'The commonest'? Gah, call yourself an Englishman!?

@whoeveriam0iam14222

7 жыл бұрын

he has been replaced by a French spy!!!

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

According to the OED, Byron used this word in 1821, and Swift in 1710. Are those good enough precedents for you?

@RitchieKun

7 жыл бұрын

Nope, unless I see a written letter of approval from Ol' Liz herself, I'm gonna claim to be the smarter-est

@jamesc4198

7 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige going to need u to a regiment and then a battalion next please

@Clowndoe

7 жыл бұрын

Going by the order he's doing this in, it would be battalion, then regiment. But I'm just being pedantic.

Hey Lloyd, I'm loving these videos. Please continue to make videos about these military fundamentals!

I should really start packing my bags for this weekends trip "Lindybeige has uploaded...." Well, guess not.

Really liking these military unit videos! Keep it up

This channel is new to me and I watched around 30 videos in the last three days. The one about platoons was just seen yesterday. Very informative channel with logical sounding explanations.

I love all the army unit videos please make more.

This was one of your most informative , and interesting , videos ( in my opinion ) on battles and men that I have watched. Thanks for your time and effort in setting up the models.

These are some of by favorites of yours, hope there's more military videos ahead! You have a fantastic grip of the WWII era, and human nature in general.

Lloyd makes looking like a dork look cool!!

@anthonyhayes1267

4 жыл бұрын

After watching his videos, I decided that if he can wear his nerdy outfits for all the world to see on KZread, I can wear my nerdy helmets to the range

Good stuff. I am using this with my MA students. Nice explanations. And just whacky enough to be interesting. Thanks.

@kristiangustafson4130

7 жыл бұрын

PS spot on discussion of H Jones.

These videos on military structure are so very clear and concise. I always enjoy your presentations...even when you ramble a bit. ;)

I have to say I absolutely love these videos. They are fascinating. Thanks for deepening my military knowledge. I'd love to see more of these sort of videos but all your content is great so keep doing what you're doing!

Lloyd, your killing me with all these uploads - after being quiet for so long. ;) Glad you're back to your fighting weight.

Very good job. I would add that the Company level is the the first level with support troops and administrative capabilities. The Company Commander is the lowest level Commander who carries the responsibility of administering military justice, takes administrative (personnel) action, assumes financial responsibility of the military equipment and facilities and the feeding, housing, equipping and general welfare of its soldiers.

First off, I enjoy your channel quite a bit so thank you for putting it together. A very excellent explanation of the rationale behind tactical formations. I'm a retired U.S. Army officer and former Platoon/Company/ Battalion commander or staff officer. Today in my second career work authorization documents for military units (more of a sideline but it's part of the job). What I continue to discover, is when we move off proven models we create formations that simply do not work. Everyone wants to economize on manpower, but forgets the problems we solved previously when we originally settle on a particular unit size. We are always shocked when that original issue suddenly pops up, but keep re-learning this lesson over and over. Thankfully we do still have some sanity. Example, the Army has firmly refused to reduce the size of a tank crew to 3 personnel rather than the current 4. We could use an auto-loader and eliminate a crewman (which is repeatedly proposed), but we have learned time and again that you actually need 4 personnel to maintain, supply, and fight the tank (well that, and trained humans can load faster than any mechanism on these particular guns). Technology is not an answer here. I would add one thing to your discussion on Companies....these, and Platoons, are very easily shifted as a package when creating a Task Force for combat. We routinely attach and detach units to change the nature of our order of battle. Doing this with these size formations is simplified. If you shift a Platoon or Company commander to another command, the flow is very natural. Both the U.S. and British Armies are very adept at this...even while on the move and engaged. This ability makes our Armies particularly lethal.

So glad you have this channel, and that I found it. Only seen 2 of your videos and you've already answered do many questions! Thanks and keep up the awesome work! 🙂

I just realized something. In the US, at least where i live, classrooms have a size of about 30 kids. There are 6 periods in the day, and the teachers get one off. So the teachers would on average be dealing with very close to 150 kids in their classes.

@JRobbySh

4 жыл бұрын

Once had 180 kids. but all goodness, so that also works. Would also work with a teacher and an aide even with inattentive ones. Amazing how quiet even the bad ones are when a second adult is in the room. An aide need not be credentialed to be highly effective. In the old one-room school house, which so many who have attended swear by, younger kids respond well to tutoring by older ones. Story from the ‘20s. A big farm kid who had struggled with three Rs. and was still in 8th grade at 15, responded so well to being tutored by a sharp 13 year old girl, that he aced the leaving exams. The girl went on to become a teacher at age 18, and the boy. now working the family farm, ended up marrying her. Heard this story from the widow herself. The grown-up boy himself went to ag school at her insistence and became an important landowner in the county.

We're still waiting for your Crossfire Wargaming game video!

Every time you upload a video about military organization structures I get unreasonably excited

I'm glad I've found your channel. I love your enthusiasm and your consideration for the human element of historical warfare. I'd love to see a video about the organization of ancient armies.

The 150 dislikes are all the people who loaned stuff to Lloyd that he wouldn’t return

Can you do a video about ancient naval warfare? I'm talking about things like the first punic war?

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

No immediate plans, but yes, that's a great topic.

@inlovewithgoats1092

7 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige Yay. =)

@smygskytt1712

7 жыл бұрын

You should do a video on Salamis, Thermopylae would have been meaningless without naval superiority.

When I watch one of Lindybeig's videos I don't bother to watch before I press like anymore. there are few creators on youtube who always puts up quality content. Keep up the good work!

I heard something like this on a QI rerun yesterday and now there's a Lindybeige video on it. Brilliant.

Lloyd, I have a friend who was a sniper in Goose green a few hundred yards away from the incident where H Jones was killed. He still lives in Blackpool and is a friend of the actor David Thewlis (who also played a Falklands veteran incidentally and got a lot of good character info from him).. I also got a lift off a guy driving back to Aldershot in the Lakes who was there (I was hitchhiking). Your description of what the men thought when Col. H Jones was shot was "diplomatic" in comparison to what I heard, In fact, some of what I heard should never really go in a video.

@jamesatherton1853

7 жыл бұрын

NoFaithNoPain How did they really react?

@NoFaithNoPain

7 жыл бұрын

James Atherton One guy who was not actually there said "Its a good job both sides were using 7.62".. What the guys who were there said I won't divulge.. but lets say he was not a popular man.

@jamesatherton1853

7 жыл бұрын

***** Really?

@NoFaithNoPain

7 жыл бұрын

James Atherton Don't take my word, ask anyone at the time.

@DevilsAdvocateofnazareth

7 жыл бұрын

we don't know anyone there at the time, so couldn't you just tell us?

YES

@andrewkazakevich8611

7 жыл бұрын

NO

@harcourt_hk6530

7 жыл бұрын

Merliginary YENAYBE

@germanvisitor2

7 жыл бұрын

PROBABLY

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

Drat. I was sure for a moment, and now I don't know what to think. As I type this, "YES" is the top comment. I can't help but hope that it gets replaced, but I suppose I should be careful what I wish for.

@harcourt_hk6530

7 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige ayyy

6:58 you don't "WIN" a medal, you EARN it

Lindy I really must say how much I enjoy your videos I personally agree with you in most of them and the topics you talk about are great, Just wanted to say keep it up because they really are a pleasure to watch after a long day.

Dammit Lloyd, stop putting out videos while I'm in class!

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

I deliberately scheduled this one for Friday afternoon, thinking that on Friday afternoons people are looking for distractions at work.

@koneal2000

7 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige Ah, now that makes sense.

Would you consider doing one on how armored cars/light vehicles worked in a platoon?

Lindybeige, I just would like to say that I very much enjoy your WWII videos, as you explain yourself about these things so well!

Wow! Utterly spectacular! I subscribed to you a few months back but I never watch any videos, you had my utmost attention from start to end in this one, keep up the great work!

Please do a video about Gladiators!

@peterwackel8835

7 жыл бұрын

what?

@yetigriff

7 жыл бұрын

Lord Pigster jet was my favourite.

@bwcmakro

7 жыл бұрын

Gladiator companies!

@KentishZombie

7 жыл бұрын

Would be far less exciting than you think.

@CarBENbased

7 жыл бұрын

Kentish Zombie would you not be entertained?!?!?!

Now that you mentioned Band Of Brothers, I think it does a well done job to it's story allowed to portray what each 1;st officer in each level of unit does. Especially if you follow Winters who move up the ranks within the series.

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, there is a point when he is ordered NOT to go forward to help his men, because, being more senior, that is no longer his role.

@apropercuppa8612

7 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige The Foy episode when Lt. Dyke has a breakdown.

@seamusandpat

7 жыл бұрын

In the attack on Foy after the relief of Bastogne ..... not that I am a fan or anything .... the best parts of the Band of Brothers series were the testaments of the real soldiers including Winters himself, at the start and end of each episode. Makes me choke every time. War is ghastly and I am extremely grateful to all the allied armies for their role in WWII.

@MakeMeThinkAgain

7 жыл бұрын

Dyke was an example of a staff officer being given field experience. Another, actually famous, example of this was von Paulus at Stalingrad. Valuable for the officers but deadly for the troops.

@pvtruff6349

7 жыл бұрын

No i do think blythe WAS shot, but it is true that he was successful in korea.

Two things I would like to say, both topics are praise. Firstly, amazing job with the camouflage. You must have a terribly steady hand. Second, I'm glad you're making videos again. Welcome back. :D

Thanks Lloyd for a great video! Very much appreciated.

I'd be interested to know how army organization evolved from the feudal period to modern day. I know vassal lords would be expected to provide so many horse and foot based on the size of their holdings, and that only 1 or 2 men from each village would be called up as levee's but that seems like comparatively few men under the direct command of any one "officer"

@rjfaber1991

7 жыл бұрын

I'm assuming you're talking about "levies" (singular "levy"). I doubt one or two men from each village would be called up to stop floods by lying in the way of the water...

@ktoth29

7 жыл бұрын

one or two men and a couple masculine lesbians... perhaps Lloyd can do a video on the origin of bad puns and how simple words can come to mean two vastly different things.

@Snaake42

7 жыл бұрын

I think Lloyd may have actually mentioned at least the lance at some point in his other videos. A lance was the basic medieval/feudal military unit, raised from a single manor. Classically it consisted of one knight or man at arms in heavy armor etc, his squire, equipped as light cavalry, and a few yeomen, split between archers and maybe some spearmen, pikemen or whatever. Similar in size to a modern section or squad. In general, I think the company size, in particular, has stuck in the 80-150 range through the vast majority of history. Think of Roman centuries, 100-man units, for example. As Lloyd noted, somewhere around 150 (I've heard 100-200 before) is a natural size of group for humans to socialize and bond with: military companies, farming villages etc. are around that size. Hunter-gatherer groups tend to be more platoon-size, probably due to 1 decent-sized game animal feeding about that number of people, but they might associate a bit more with a few other groups to form different levels of clan, tribe, etc.

@charlietipton8502

7 жыл бұрын

Feudal Period companies had more to do with having a Commander. There were many mercenary companies of various sizes and specialties. But a Company has a Commander who negotiates the contract and maintains administrative and tactical command. But there was not a set structure or number of subordinates.

@GoErikTheRed

7 жыл бұрын

+Snaake42 This is more just a matter of semantics but a Roman century actually only had 80 fighting men, divided in to 10 groups of 8. Each group would be assisted by 2 noncombatants who would carry extra gear, maintain the camp, etc.

A company being made up of companions, those with, 'com-', whom you break bread, 'panis', hence the company mess hall.

@rjfaber1991

7 жыл бұрын

If you break a lot of bread, you are indeed going to end up with a mess...

@I_Don_t_want_a_handle

7 жыл бұрын

Crumbs!

@NevetsTSmith

7 жыл бұрын

Please don't break my panis.

@rjfaber1991

7 жыл бұрын

Nevets t. Smith Do you want somebody to butter it?

@paulmag91

7 жыл бұрын

+Nevets t. Smith I can make you panis com.

I came here for the Pronunciation poem and stayed for the awesome content. you deserve a lot more views

Another great video. Superb teaching skills, elegant explanations, very accurate, informative and great fun. thanks, I really enjoy your work.

Would that mean that human tribes would have had a natural size of 150?

@markkelly9621

7 жыл бұрын

I understand that 300 is the optimum size for a cohesive community of people. I think that was mentioned on a programme about early colonial settlements in north America. not sure how accurate that is mind!

@CasMullac

7 жыл бұрын

Perhaps a maximum size of 150. It's a logical conclusion.

@crabbit8346

7 жыл бұрын

Yes

@johng8837

7 жыл бұрын

why not 150.69? or do periods just ruin 69?

@crabbit8346

7 жыл бұрын

well u will have to split a person onto 2 pieces and throw away one of them to get 150.69 people

I'm not in a British infantry unit, but I am in an American Signal unit. I'm not sure where all the differences are, but in my experience the Company commander has always been a Captain (O-3) and his NCO has always been the First Sergeant (E-8). In the US Army (and National Guards for each state) we have The Platoon and instead of sections we say squads, and within a squad we have fireteams. The squad leader is generally a Sergeant (E-5). The Platoon is lead by a Lieutenant (O2 or O1) and the Platoon sergeant (E-7). Then after the Company you have the Battalion which is commanded by a Lieutenant Colonel (O-5) and Command Sergeant Major (E-9). After that you have the Brigade lead by the Colonel (O-6) and CSM (E-9). After that you start getting Generals. I've rarely seen any Majors. I know that I have had very limited interaction with anyone outside of my company. There have been some Battalion events but even then we tend to stick to the company. It's true that you get to know your company pretty well, and you get to know your platoon very well. Generally how well you get along with your unit can make or break your military experience.

I really enjoyed this video as well as the platoon one. Those toy soldiers that you made look really good and really helped tell your story. I enjoy this channel

great video! I'd love to see you make many more videos like it!! keep going up the group sizes and when you run out it would cool to see how other armies from other nations and time periods divided organized their soldiers!

You know that you gonna get requests to do a video of an entire army in the end right? :P

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

I've already had several. Then for each period...

@apspiderboy

7 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige You should do a Napoleonic one

@leeponzu

4 жыл бұрын

Then Army Groups 8-)

Google "Dunbar number", that's the name for the concept that he's describing.

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

I read Dunbar's book before it was published, and met him at an evolution conference.

Wow, what an informative video! I love the use of figurine soldiers for visual aid, really cool and extremely easy to understand even for someone who has no clue about army structure before opening this video.

I've been using your video's to help me remember things as I write my novel, thank you ever so much you magnificent man!

Easy Company ♤

Lloyd, these figures look a bit chunky. Did you make them yourself? Are they made of wood, plastic or some gel? And why did you say you didn't want to make more of them than necessary? It's not like you did you do them just for the purpose of this video, did you?

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

I'll add figure credits to the description.

Excellent mini-series dear boy! Please continue going up the command chain! :)

these military videos are fascinating! thank you:)

I totally can say that what you're saying about loyality and trusting you commanders is true. When I served in an infantry batalaion at the austrian army, I always was "Who the fuck are you bat.commander? go away pls." I only appaered a few times during manouvers (mostly at forming up or something) and then he vanished and wasn't seen again until the end of training. Same goes for my former companie commander... The only officers we trusted, being always with us, fighting with us, were our platoon and section commanders. Now, I'm at a self-reliant company (so, we technically don't have a battalion above us), and I know my company commander very well, so ... yes. it's true. :'D I'm also a teacher, teaching 4 classes with about 25 students each. And it is already hard to recognize everyone of them... so... yeah. I don't know if I could manage to know one more class :D

@Asathor456

7 жыл бұрын

(Also, my english is shit, I know :'D)

@PatGilliland

7 жыл бұрын

It's actually pretty good. :)

@jamesatherton1853

7 жыл бұрын

Claus Celeda Besser als mein deutsch muss ich sage

@Asathor456

7 жыл бұрын

Pat G I'm glad that I didn't try to describe the structures of the austrian army... that would have been... complicated.

@heartoffire8481

7 жыл бұрын

your english ist besser than half the people in the english speaking welt

Do you ever plan on making a video about Gurkhas? I'm American and I haven't heard much about them outside the mythical stories of them taking out entire enemy platoons and such.

@apropercuppa8612

7 жыл бұрын

Torneko In the Falklands, they prepared to take a particular hill. When the Argies heard whom they were going up against, they immediately surrendered. This saddened the Gurkhas, as they were ready for a good fight.

@Nerdarchy

7 жыл бұрын

I whole-heartedly support this suggestion!

@aquiteobesepig1439

7 жыл бұрын

I think it was the Gurkhas who bayonet-charged the Taliban and got them to retreat.

@vathek5958

7 жыл бұрын

My experience with Gurkhas is accidentally driving into the Royal Gurkha Rifle barracks in the 11th Inf Brigade - I can't speak for their skill or courage, but they were very helpful and drew a very nice map

Love these videos Lloyd!

Another great video about military structure! I liked the visual aid of the miniatures, and having taken some time to study modern military structure recently I can appreciate the choice of topic.

It is interesting that these numbers are almost exactly the same as a Roman century

@lindybeige

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, nothing changes, and the basic unit within the century was eight men (ten on paper). A decurion was essentially a corporal.

@EtzEchad

7 жыл бұрын

Ieuan Hunt That's more evidence that it is a natural unit size.

@ieuanhunt552

7 жыл бұрын

David Messer You are right. That is what I was trying to point out

@olliephelan

7 жыл бұрын

this is what Wiki said ; (under 'company' search ) From ancient times, some armies have commonly used a base administrative and tactical unit of around 100 men. (Perhaps the most well-known is the Roman century, originally intended as a 100-man unit, but later ranging from about 60-80 men, depending on the time period.);[...........]..... Therefore, to the Romans, for example, a unit of 100 men seemed sufficiently large enough to efficiently facilitate organizing a large body of men numbering into the several thousands, yet small enough that one man could reasonably expect to command it as a cohesive unit by using his voice and physical presence, supplemented by musical notes

Come on, Lindy, I expect the outro-screen captions to be witty and funny, not bloody depressing :c

Thank you for this great video. It is really interesting, you said that a Major is usually responsible for a company. Major Winters from BoB was in charge of E company as a Captain throughout most of the war. Then in Bastogne they put him in charge of the whole battalion. He didn't like that and wore his first aid kit over his helmet bars. The other battalion commanders wouldn't take him seriously.

I love these kinds of videos, as in videos where I learn about military troops and how things work/worked.

Mr. Beige. How's the suit of armour coming along?

Can you do vids on Battalions, Regiments, Brigades, Divisions also?

@mmouse1886

6 жыл бұрын

Brigade, Regiment, Battalion, Division

OMG! Another Lindybeige video! There's no such thing as too much Lindybeige.

I really enjoy your videos about modern infantry tactics (something I know very little about) and the miniatures.

I know a lot of people already asked for it, but I'm going to add to the volume of fire: could you, please, make a video about the next level (battalion) and continue all the way up? Also, could you talk about nowdays granade launchers (those that go under the rifle) and mortars? have the granade launcher made the mortar obsolete? or does it still have it's place in the fields, despite the advent of other forms of throwing explosive devices?

@definelogic4803

7 жыл бұрын

Marcelo Silveira grenade launchers are still direct fire launchers as you at least need line of sight on your target. mortars can engage well out to 3500 meters.

@marcelosilveira2276

7 жыл бұрын

Levi Hillman can't grenade launchers be aimed "upward" allowing for indirect fire?

@definelogic4803

7 жыл бұрын

It is a form of indirect fire but its not as long range as a mortar. Nor as large as a weapons company mortar(usually 60 to 80mm)

@marcelosilveira2276

7 жыл бұрын

Levi Hillman Thank you :)

@definelogic4803

7 жыл бұрын

Your welcome, i have a lot of friends in U.S. Army weapons squads and USMC weapons squads

3:19 But im gonna go with 3, which is the communist number. :D

@Healermain15

7 жыл бұрын

It's a good, solid working-class number. High enough to display the magnificience of the masses, but not too high to consider itsself part of the fancy-pants numbers.

@neriumsuitedher

7 жыл бұрын

Unless it's stripes on your tracksuit because this is not circus.

@rollespil1000

7 жыл бұрын

Wot? I thought we were an anarcho-syndicalist commune army

@user-ld4qt6ci7b

7 жыл бұрын

what is З? A cyrillic letter? © valve

@Lionbug

7 жыл бұрын

In fact, it´s a number which you could, without any fear, introduce to your parents.

i think the band of brothers reference really did explain it, well done

I looooove this series. As a huge war fanatic, listening to your orgasmic voice AND learning is just the best thing.