Everyone honk for all of the honkers that died to form Atlantis.

@warlordofbritannia

10 ай бұрын

Honk 😭

@Goat_Girl_Gwen

10 ай бұрын

Honk

@sethperry5730

10 ай бұрын

Honk 😢

@christianmoore7109

10 ай бұрын

honk 😢

@bopy420

10 ай бұрын

honk 😥

Turtledove's greatest sin is creating incredible scenarios only to just change the names of things and do the exact same things in history.

@jonnunn4196

10 ай бұрын

The biggest difference is that the United States of Atlantis has two consuls instead of a President; which like the Roman ones can veto the other's actions. Which due to deadlock is what leads to the final book's massive slave revolt occurring instead of the civil war. Another much smaller difference is there is no equivalent to the Battle of New Orleans in early 1815 due to the shorter distance meaning the news of the peace treaty actually reaches the British forces before the battle could start.

@herknorth8691

10 ай бұрын

Yep. The Worldwar series with the CSA going to war with the USA/German alliance got guiltier and guiltier of that as the series went on.

@crimsondynamo615

10 ай бұрын

It’s such a sadness that this is a reoccurring thing.

@IIMoses740II

10 ай бұрын

@@herknorth8691 The "Southern Victory" one? The Confederacy? Literally the Weimar Republic/Nazi Germany... The invasion of the Union? Literally Operation Barbarosa (wasn't the battle of Pittsburgh blatantly Stalingrad?) African Americans? Oh you know who... Jake Featherston? Oh you know who...

@BTG514

10 ай бұрын

He blocked me on Twitter. He was saying "I don't want to go back to the way things were when I was a kid" in response to some Republican rhetoric and listed the particulars. I said "when I was I kid, most of those problems you mentioned were solved or about to be. " Typical self-centered boomer.

I love how Tigerstar's first reaction is "What if we took the 13 colonies, and pushed them somewhere else?"

@merrittanimation7721

10 ай бұрын

“That sounds just crazy enough… TO GET US ALL KILLED!”

@dragon_ninja_2186

10 ай бұрын

Probably what Turtledove thought

@iainhansen1047

10 ай бұрын

Well he is a cat

@kaynines5996

10 ай бұрын

@@merrittanimation7721 “PUSH!” *the crust of the earth crumbles as giant landmasses move*

@stephennootens916

10 ай бұрын

Totally agree

Cody should do his own take on this scenario.

@stormlancer6929

10 ай бұрын

Agreed.

@DianaBell_MG

10 ай бұрын

Please!!

@themanyouwanttobe

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely. This map deserves better than this story.

@CoffeeCrowgasm

10 ай бұрын

I could've sworn he did?

@CoffeeCrowgasm

10 ай бұрын

Nevermind that was lumeria and the Pacific continent lol

Alot of turtledove books boil down to "wouldnt it be weird if this happened" but having nothing else to say beyond that

@planetdrull1701

10 ай бұрын

And we love him for it

@greenonion170

3 ай бұрын

Totally accurate description

Those "honkers" aren't emu's, they are Canada Geese that have achieved final form and learned to chill

@Melggart

10 ай бұрын

Lies! Geese would never chill! They would be super cassowarys that would kick everything to death!

@My-cat-is-staring-at-you

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the nightmares.

@kingofhearts3185

10 ай бұрын

Oh god, I need to photoshop that and send it to my friend that hates geese.

@Ms.Pronounced_Name

10 ай бұрын

@@Melggart you underestimate the power of their final form. They have murdered EVERYTHING on the continent that could threaten them, and then to avoid extinctioning themselves developed a form of super-meditation similar to Vulcans such that they retain all of their excessive aggression while also appearing to be chill until they are attacked

@_D_P_

10 ай бұрын

@@Ms.Pronounced_Name Every 7 years they must endure the honk farr.

"Don't go harass Turtledove over this" I'm pretty sure for some people it's news that he's still alive

@alanpennie

10 ай бұрын

It isn't news if you're on Twitter.

@bear3616

2 ай бұрын

Didn’t realize he was still alive honestly

A Cody/Tigerstar bookclub is the most wholesome direction this channel could've gone

@JaimeNyx15

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, more of this please.

@hockeyislife2

10 ай бұрын

@@STFUGOOGLE420Americans try not to bring politics into everything challenge *impossible*

@polygondwanaland8390

10 ай бұрын

​@@STFUGOOGLE420...You're using "liberal buzzword" as a meaningless buzzword. How very meta.

@amtrakfan9125

10 ай бұрын

​@selestialcooltube5482 ummm actually speaking English is a liberal buzzword because they speak English too

@JaimeNyx15

10 ай бұрын

@@STFUGOOGLE420 That's not what the means, lol. Not Wholesome: Bernie Sanders demanding universal healthcare Wholesome: a puppy trying to drink from a sprinkler, two friends having a lighthearted chat about a book that was too dumb to take seriously

Those Ohio pirates honestly sound like the most interesting part of this book series.

@shinyagumon7015

10 ай бұрын

Finally the flag being a pendant makes sense

@sharky_luv

10 ай бұрын

Cody should totally do a story on that since he is from Ohio.

@shinyagumon7015

10 ай бұрын

@@sharky_luv What if Ohio was a coastal state has so much potential since it would reshape the entire state's climate and geography

@jonnunn4196

10 ай бұрын

That depends upon how much you like other stories about pirates. That section is very similar to the piracy in OTL Caribbean, including the focus of that portion of the first book (how the pirates got evicted from their strongest strongholds.)

@davidroddini1512

10 ай бұрын

A costal Ohio with pirates? It could have been such an awesome series!

You know, given that an advanced civilization on Atlantis is a pretty major part of the Atlantis mythos, you would think Turtledove would do something with it. Like, imagine settlers coming to Atlantis but encountering natives with better weapons and having to negotiate/trick the Atlanteans into giving them land, rather than by using force. Or, you could have settlers encounter the descendants of the Atlantean civilization who suffered a cataclysmic event and have reverted back to more primitive ways, but still have access to some of their older tech that they worship as gods. As the Europeans come to Atlantis, they realize the potential of these artifacts as weapons and try to seize them, thus causing the natives to try and recover as much tech as they can, resulting in an arms race.

@ale-xsantos1078

10 ай бұрын

Or if you want to go the route of "13 colonies but as an island" have the ancestors of the anglo saxons settle there and when Europe discovers it the super advanced civilisation is essencially America Like a United States that came up with all it's stuff on it's own and has no recollection of Old World history

@Zman44444

10 ай бұрын

I was thinking you could do something with the birds. They have some goop that spurs massive industrialization. Atlantis becomes this disgusting, polluted and sick country, come to realize it’s kinda 1984-North Korea type thing. The rest of the world has moved on and changed.

@ale-xsantos1078

10 ай бұрын

@@Zman44444 I like it! I think North Korea may be too exaggerated evil though Maybe Atlantis becomes a stagnant "Victorian Britain" kind of country With all the racism, social darwinism and pollution(like you said) that comes with it and ultimately faces the same fate the Qing Dynasty did in our timeline, which would be pretty ironic, ending up nostalgic about the "good old times" when it was more like Early America and cursing it's own fate as the rest of the world advances

@Zman44444

10 ай бұрын

@@ale-xsantos1078 I think you n I could make a fucking banger DnD campaign. I was thinking of Dishonored. How fucked that world was, mixed with IngSoc. Some gross mix of them both. Are we about to be best friends?

@ale-xsantos1078

10 ай бұрын

@@Zman44444 Well I love me some D&D so we sure could come up with something! Never tried a 1984 one but that sure sounds fun

The lack of humans seems incredible contrived given how close Atlantis is to the Caribbean. Also, did Turtledove never hear about how vidal Native American goods were to the first colonies. Corn, tobacco, and furs were the first American exports.

@anvos658

10 ай бұрын

That or natives who were ship wrecked Europeans, whose ship got blown out to sea and couldn't make it back.

@purplecat4977

10 ай бұрын

The number of people who seem determined to completely write the native americans out of american history is too damned high. It happens often enough that I feel like there has to be some kind of fantasy that a certain kind of person has that leads them to continually want to see history this way.

@Snooder

10 ай бұрын

@@purplecat4977 I mean, yeah. The motivation should be obvious. Wiping out the native americans is THE original sin of the formation of the country, so imagining a "more perfect" america that doesn't require genocide for its formation is definitely appealing to people who like america and don't like genocide.

@purplecat4977

10 ай бұрын

@@Snooder Yeah, I can see where the motivation might come from for someone to want to reimagine the founders of the US as not having the blood on their hands that, historically, they do. Seen from that light, leaving the native americans off "atlantis" is inexcusable from more than just a 'oh come on, Cuba is RIGHT THERE' perspective. I've heard enough about Turtledove from enough people that I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but here we are.

@Fordo007

10 ай бұрын

@@Snooder I always find that odd. It's not like people in the 'Old World' try to imagine their history without the people they genocided. It' not like Europeans imagine Celts were never all over and got genocided by their Latin and then Germanic ancestors. Why do Americans think they are so special as though they were the first people to wipe another people out to take their land? Everyone did it, it's not that special. It's honestly just more 'American Exceptionalism' that Americans beside thinking they are the GREATEST also think they are THE WORST.

Assassin Creed: Atlantis would just be Radcliffe vs. Radcliffe. Assassin’s Creed games set in Turtledove novels would be pretty hilarious. Every NPC talks the same and there are killer birds.

@gaymermoment

10 ай бұрын

i would pay for an Assasins Creed: Atlantis game

@akl2k7

10 ай бұрын

​@@gaymermomentI'm pretty sure that's one of the DLC for Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

@josiahcain4176

3 ай бұрын

No the assassins would be sent from another country to try to depose the templars who have created the Radcliffe hegemony over the continent.

Turtledove's got the work ethic of a determined crackfiend, but has all the literary sense of a crackfiend.

If there were a continent in the middle of the Atlantic, it would’ve likely been discovered during the Bronze Age. The maritime route to Britain was a popular voyage to get the component metals for bronze; and while it wasn’t just a “single voyage”, it would be likely that during the Atlantic leg of the journey, one of the ships would’ve stumbled upon the continent. If not during the Bronze Age, it would’ve been the Greeks or Phoenicians, and if not them, it most definitely would’ve been the Romans, as they got a little less shy with venturing out of the Mediterranean to have some trade routes along Europe’s Atlantic coast.

@cgallegos2106

10 ай бұрын

Especially since the Azores may have had seasonal settlements. Considering that Greenland was colonized during the medieval period and Newfoundland was touched, how wouldn’t a major continent in the middle of the Atlantic not be touched?

@Zephyr_Zeitgeist

10 ай бұрын

I'd like it to be the Phoenicians, because that would be a story we haven't heard before, beyond a few fringe theories. Everyone else is kind of 'been there, done that'.

@VerilyViscous

10 ай бұрын

Considering that there's some vague evidence that Vikings and maybe even Phoenicians made it all the way to the Azores before the Portuguese did, I wouldn't be surprised.

@Donerci_Pikacu_Usta

10 ай бұрын

​@@Zephyr_ZeitgeistImagine a Cartage-like state Where Phoenicans survive and continue to develop their own civilazition. Connect Africa, Meditrrenia and West Europe to each other through trade. (This is just Portugal btw now I realized that.) Compete with Portugal and Spanish Kingdoms. Maybe even establish trade post and colonize stuff

@evoluxman9935

10 ай бұрын

Thats way too far for the Phoenicians to discover it. Britain is very close from the French coast, you can see the cliffs of dover from Calais. This would be a days, if not weeks long trip in the basically void. No way anyone makes such a trip and the boats of the time weren't adapted for such a trip However it would definetly be discovered and inhabited by the natives who made it to Brazil, especially since the Caribbean got moved too

A funny random thing, i study ornithology for college + post grad and been a birder since i was a kid, so i choose my favorite bird Turtledove as user name in most social platform or game that i use and play and quite a lot of people think i choose this name because i am a fan of Harry Turtledove's book to the point that i actually read a few of his work

It’s always a good day when Cody uploads a brand-new video

@KingNoob317

10 ай бұрын

Indeed

@nullut2000

10 ай бұрын

Yes

@jeiku5314

10 ай бұрын

Its a *GREAT* day liveing

Based on that map, I can't figure out why it took so long for people to find this landmass? I mean, the eastern part of this "island" is closer to Europe than the Canary Islands in real life. There were people fishing off the Grand Banks long before the "age of exploration." The proximity of "Floridatlantis" to the Caribbean is still close enough for there to be Arawak all over them.

@edp85599

8 ай бұрын

it took people until about 1450 to discover the Azores

Imagine a reality in which turtledove never wrote these books

@theotherohlourdespadua1131

10 ай бұрын

I would be sad. I would miss the Southern Victory/TL-191 series that gave to the world a glimpse of what a Germany-aligned USA would look like...

@edwardaucay8597

10 ай бұрын

I think another commenter already mentioned this in the Alt history iceberg vid but if these books were never written, Turtledove's children would have been in a massive debt of student loans.

@dubuyajay9964

10 ай бұрын

​@theotherohlourdespadua1131 And invading Space Raptors stopping World War II.

I susoect this series was part of the "paying for my childrens college tuition" writings

If I had to describe Turtledove in a single sentence: "Cocaine is a helluva drug"

@dubuyajay9964

10 ай бұрын

Like Stephen King?

I love the way Cody draws Tigerstar in his own style, very boop-able Nose. Also heck yeah I watch the Hell out of your Atlantis scenario, especially if you include what animals would survive on this new continent

I can't be the only one who thought giant honkers were something else.

@sillypuppy5940

10 ай бұрын

I thought they came in pairs

@TheKe3lz

10 ай бұрын

They outcompeted the lesser badonkers

I decided to check out Southern Victory in high school because of the videos you guys made on it. These videos are a better way to experience Turtledove than reading Turtledove. Dare I say it, Cody is the far more inventive worldbuilder and theorizer.

@SpiderkillersInc

10 ай бұрын

I feel some of Turtledove’s ideas are pretty neat, like the Race from Worldwar are one of my favorite alien races.

@Swaggedoutshorty

10 ай бұрын

The man with the iron heart is the only one with characters that are actually interesting

@LegionCinema

10 ай бұрын

The World World Series is good

@tctheunbeliever

10 ай бұрын

I liked Southern Victory, at least it had some original ideas for a kinda hackneyed what-if. At least the South isn't just the simplistic bad guy all the way through. And a WW1 front went right through my hometown! They could have used prairie dogs to undermine enemy trenches; Harry really missed the boat there.

I hope this is an ongoing series. I love the scenarios, but God is Turtledove's writing horrid. It's honestly an inspiration. If this can get published, I might one day, also get published.

@aidanmattson681

10 ай бұрын

Oh yeah we’re going into the largest naval battle in history. Oh wait no, you’re going to just read about it afterwards. Like Jesus, would it kill him to actually write action that isn’t awkward sex between the middle-aged widow and old yet somewhat virile man that is definitely not an author insert that appears in every goddamn series.

The Man with the Iron Heart is the best-written what-if by Turtledove, IMO. All the characters have a purpose and the scenario was captivating.

@instert_very-generic_name8919

10 ай бұрын

RIP heydrich 🙏🙏🙏

Who you gonna vote for in the atlantean election of 2024? I am gonna vote for radcliff but radcliff also has some good points

@shinyagumon7015

10 ай бұрын

No joking I do wonder how Turtledove would implement post civil war history into Atlantis.

@spaceemperorspar4791

10 ай бұрын

I dunno, Radcliffe seems like he’s got a good shot as a dark horse third-party candidate. Reminds me a lot of Theodore Radcliffe and the Bull Honker Party way back when

@JamesZheyuXu

9 ай бұрын

@@spaceemperorspar4791And Radcliffe feels good as the fourth party man,do you know he is the great grandson of Franklin D Radcliffe!

I love how this video is half Tigerstarr's length because, despite this being trilogy and the other is a single book, very little of substance actually happens. 😆

I wonder what inspired Turtledove to come up with these wacky situations

@ericboom1712

10 ай бұрын

Achohol

@TokenWhiteGuyAGR

10 ай бұрын

@@ericboom1712 Alcohol powered fever dreams.

@matthewkane1188

10 ай бұрын

Money, this man, put 3 girls through college for history degrees. If he has an idea, he's making a story he doesn't have a chance to be to choosy.😂

@matthewkane1188

10 ай бұрын

*choice

@alfiejob6546

10 ай бұрын

Well Turtledove was inspired to write Guns of the South after reading a letter from his friend Judith Tarr where she was complaining about her new book having a terrible cover and saying that it was “as anachronistic as Robert E Lee with an uzi”.

Cody this is the brainrot I needed 😂 thank you. Also seems like New Orleans ended up in Atlantis 🎉

@Butter_Warrior99

10 ай бұрын

New Orleans may be named after Orleans which is named after Emperor Aurelian, but he ain’t gonna restore shit.

@samiraperi467

10 ай бұрын

This is still less brainrot than the Pacific Rim 2 video that's inevitably coming to that other channel.

When I realized that _Warhammer Fantasy_ made a better version of Atlantis, I knew this was going to be fun. xD

@Klishar122

10 ай бұрын

By Aenaerion, it will be done!

@Archon3960

10 ай бұрын

@@Klishar122 Damn it, why does everyone forget about Caledor? X/

i actually reread the whole _Atlantis_ trilogy in early 2021 as a part of a dedicated effort to do more recreational reading. i DID still like it, but not enough to want to keep them (still need to find a new home for my copies). and yeah, parallelism and repetitive narration are definitely Turtledove's biggest weaknesses as a writer--i noticed in _Atlantis_ in particular that he had characters remark on honkers not being as big or as common as they used to be multiple times, but i'm also currently rereading _In the Presence of Mine Enemies_ and it regularly reiterates that the characters are Jews hiding in plain sight in a victorious Nazi Germany. (and, since i originally wrote this comment, reiterating nearly every detail of the daily commute of two important characters--as a writer myself, i would've boiled it down to some variation of "their usual commute" and only noted when it was different, including for exposition about things happening around them.) and the less said about Sam Carsten in _Timeline-191_ the better.

On the subject of writers who are all "Hey, I made a cool X, time to make a bare-bones story to show it off," L.E. Modesitt is very much that way. Comes up with a magic system like "what if actual musical notes were spells, and someone invents harmonics," then makes a story for that idea to live in.

@isaacorr3180

10 ай бұрын

How good is that story by the way? Because that idea sounds really fun

@valritz1489

10 ай бұрын

@@isaacorr3180 It's definitely fun! The story is pretty standard, but not badly made by any means. Red Robin hamburger fiction.

@isaacorr3180

10 ай бұрын

@@valritz1489 oh cool what's the name of the story

@valritz1489

10 ай бұрын

@@isaacorr3180 The Spellsong Cycle, first book The Soprano Sorceress

@isaacorr3180

10 ай бұрын

@@valritz1489 I'll check it out thanks

Can't wait to watch, Guns of the South (South African apartheid racists hijack a time machine to go back to the Civil War to give the Confederates AK-47s) was my first exposure to alternate history fiction as a kid. Didn't read too many of his other books but that one was fun

@LAHFaust

10 ай бұрын

World War and Southern Victory are whacky fun.

@danielbaran4724

10 ай бұрын

I know Cody mentioned that before; but, that’s the funniest concept I’ve ever heard.

@kingofhearts3185

10 ай бұрын

How is that real, I thought that was a joke but I googled it and it actually happened.

@matthewjay660

10 ай бұрын

"Guns of the South" was dope. Confederate AK-47's in 1864; it was interesting. I liked this alternate history.

@doctorwhat779

10 ай бұрын

Wait this wasn't just a joke? Wtf

"The Basque are smelly. The Basque have a weird language." -Cody, 2023

Can you do a video on What if Sahul and zealandia never split?

@dildo_destroyer-445

10 ай бұрын

Imagine that the forest trees and imagine the east mountains separate the great deserts also aboriginals would probably control the west aka (Australia) also the dutch could probably colonize if not imagine the moai making Polynesian kingdoms or ww2 were the Japanese fight between deserts jungles and tundra Al in 1 place.

@man.actual

10 ай бұрын

Yes

@jadetheartist873

10 ай бұрын

Or you could do Sahul, Zealandia, AND Antarctica.

@YahyeAli-ki1wt

10 ай бұрын

Or if Sahul and sundaland never went underwater

@justsomeguy6240

10 ай бұрын

I wonder if they could also do a scenario on if my Mom and Dad never split.

Strangely enough there was those that was invested in the Washingtons after George...they was just mostly non-Americans writers that thought there would be a royal family style thing in which we would keep an eye on his bloodline

I think the reason Turtledove dwells so much on American history and the Civil War in particular is that there's a large contigent of alternative history fans, especially older fans of the genre, who really enjoy narratives where the CSA are the good guys and the USA are the bad guys.

@Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel

10 ай бұрын

Ah, he must be popular with whatifalthist's fanbase then

@crimsondynamo615

10 ай бұрын

@@Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channelirony of Cody once doing a video with that guy, and he ends up going too far

@SanguineQuest

10 ай бұрын

Yeah but isn't one of Turtledove's two biggest novel sets about the Victorious South becoming Worse Nazis? I wouldn't think that crowd would be big on buying his books.

@fakechemicals

10 ай бұрын

@@SanguineQuest the ones that don't like Nazis probably not.

Please make your own version of this idea. I'd watch that.

You guys should have a podcast together on alternate history scenarios and looking at others work.

Turtledove’s best work is when he goes all wacky with it

My high-school self’s two favorite history channels in one video? Is this a crossover episode?

@sarasamaletdin4574

10 ай бұрын

They have ding this before too right?

@lebendigesgespenst7669

10 ай бұрын

@@sarasamaletdin4574 yeah they have I’m pretty sure

Please make your own video about this idea, there’s so much potential with it

Theres another alternative series I like its called 1632 or the ring of fire series its written by Eric Flint and David Weber. It takes a west Virginia u.s. town from the year 2000 and throws them into the 1600s right in the middle of Germany during the thirty years war. Its pretty good 💯

@lego007guym8

10 ай бұрын

It's always great to see some love for the 1632 series. It hasn't got the attention it deserves.

@board-qu9iu

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I think it got a lot less attention in the ice berg video. He made it out as one simple book when it actually is just a book in a 20+ series of book. Some of them are literally fan fiction that the OG author approved and edited to make it in line with the OG’s lore

@lego007guym8

10 ай бұрын

@@board-qu9iu I always liked how Eric Flint did that. It was pretty cool of him to let people in on his series and even have some permanent and important effect on it.

@rhoetusochten4211

10 ай бұрын

The original book was good, and there was an adequate story or two later, but overall the series is subpar.

@board-qu9iu

10 ай бұрын

@@lego007guym8 true even if it means the quality can very significantly. There is a book you will probably enjoy regardless of if you don’t like the series overall. Sad he died somewhat recently

Repeating himself is a Turtledove classic. How many times did we hear about Sam Karsten's weakness to the sun and his use of "zinc-oxide lotion", or about Clarence Potter's accent, or whatever else he is fixated on at the moment. Its like he sketches his characters around defnining gimmicks and reminds the reader of those gimmicks as a replacement for actual characterization.

@ahorribledude9550

10 ай бұрын

I swear I thought Sam's unusually pale skin would be some sort of important detail, with how many times he brought it up. But nothing happens.

@danielgibson2604

10 ай бұрын

Also can we talk about his obsession with giving detail accounts of what a character has for every single meal of the day?

@JamesZheyuXu

9 ай бұрын

@@danielgibson2604Actually,I understand that and like it,because remember,how good you eat correlates with how good the standard of living is ,for example,Chester Martin often complains about always eating noodles and cabbage after the Great Depression.

@gabriel.b9036

14 күн бұрын

​@@ahorribledude9550Probably not gonna get a response for this, but it does kind of have a pay off. At the end of the book he picks off what he thinks is a mole, but is most likely skin cancer from spending so much time in the sun. Turtledove gave him cancer, just because lol.

I do think his alternate histories are more american focused because its where the market sells alot. I do am finishing a Atlantis novel and realised that falling into historical fantasy dosen't open a very wide market.

Idea: What if Allende stayed in power in Chile?

@dantino01

10 ай бұрын

Good luck with that cody only care from america and his boring state

@NorseGraphic

10 ай бұрын

Socialist Venezuela in South America…..

6:46 I've noticed this with a few modern authors I used to enjoy. The way they give characters differences is with quirks or demeanors, but all thoughts and knowledge remains identical.

I read this series and it was a C+. It was good for killing time.

Honestly, I would listen to a podcast with just Cody and Tigerstar talking about crazy alternate history stories with chill music in the background

Listening to you both talk about these two stories honestly given me a confidence boost for my own Alternate History setting and stories that I've been working on here and there. Since at least my stories are about characters doing things like being a detective dithing this would, instead of being a device that's there just to say, "Wow, insert world event just happened."

Regarding the Byzantinuim-inspired fantasy series : he actually wrote like ten of them. I've read most of them and they're all much better than his alternate history stuff.However, they in fact did not sell as well as his other books, so he stopped writing them around 2005. (The series is the Videssos cycle if anyone's interested )

"In Fourteen-hundred and fifty-two, Kersauzon discovered someplace new."

I was part of a community art project that had this theme, and it was WAY more creative than just some geese

Man, this is chill af, I love it

Cody , Ive got a few scenarios for you. 1).What if India began liberalization and industrialization in the 50s instead of the 90s ? How would this affect china as the west can find cheap labour in India , a decade or two earlier than the Chinese cheap labour. What other butterflies would it lead to ? How developed would India be today with 40 more years of economic growth? 2). What if the world of 'The Peshawar Lancers ' by S.M Stirling was real ? 3). What if north India became completely or majority islamic by 1900 or earlier ??? Pls make a video on any of these if you are interested

I love Turtledove. Among my enemies is by far my favorite book he made. Starts a lil slow but with a very interesting premise and the end literally made my heart race.

@ahorribledude9550

10 ай бұрын

You mean " In the presence of mine enemies"?

@VioletZauber

10 ай бұрын

@@ahorribledude9550 yep

Turtle dove sounds like a guy who had great novels in the beginning of his career and then quickly ran out of Ideas past Aliens invading during WW2 and that godawful The War that came early.

"Cone of Arc", "Alternate History Hub", "Emperor Tiger Star" and "Explained with Bad Doodles" all release a Video within the same hour ? .... is this the end of the world ....let me check my pulse

We NEED a collab with possible history

@STFUGOOGLE420

10 ай бұрын

They never will collab with a right winger, that would be a big no no to there liberal audience 😂

@brayanvelez2517

10 ай бұрын

@@STFUGOOGLE420cody aint a liberal.

@STFUGOOGLE420

10 ай бұрын

@@brayanvelez2517 yeah but 90% of his audience is

@thebobbaconsshow1685

10 ай бұрын

@@STFUGOOGLE420 So? I consider myself a liberal but that doesn’t mean I suddenly don’t like they’re content

@STFUGOOGLE420

10 ай бұрын

@@thebobbaconsshow1685 if he brought a right winger onto his page he would be cancelled by his audience and demonitized by youtube so he will never do it. Even if he isnt a liberal he definitely sold out to them

The thing about Harry Turtledove is that if there isn’t a real life or historical example, he doesn’t put it in his books, which does mean they are more dull, but it does make them more believable than many other situations and events in other books about alternative history. An example would be that in a book called After the Fall, where a WW2 German officer gets sent into a magical and medieval America where Native Americans are fighting colonialism from knights. The officer later ends up helping the Native kingdom (yes they learned a few cultural and technological things) who captured him and he figures out that dragon scales can deflect magic. In pretty much any other story the protagonist would end up joining a quest to get the dragon scales from enemy territory, but it was actually gone off page by another group of Natives who simply paid the knights for the opportunity to gather what the knights thought of as useless Dragon scales in their territory (all of the dragons where long dead too).

My mom took an American history class in college and her professor was a big Turtledove fan.

Turtledove's short stories are his best writing. His Videssos books are pretty good.

Modern Turtledove breaks my heart. He actually did a few bangers back in the day... 😭💔❤️‍🩹😿

Tigerstar is spot-on when describing Turtledove coming up with the story to justify a cool scenario. The whole setting is because of his short story "Audubon in Atlantis", where the premise is essentially, "What if John James Audubon did Birds of America but with moas and Haast's eagles?"

A Turtledove novel is essentially a poorly coded Matrix; got people waking up day and night.

A vid on if the Sino-Soviet split never happened or was patched up in the 70s would be amazing.

I grow to love video like this. Just people talk together and smooth music in the background, please do more

Excellent post. Thanks for the quality content as always!

Can you make a video on the topic of "If the Hollow Earth is real?" ? Imagine if we had something like Pellucidar from Tarzan

I feel like every Turtledove trilogy could be a single slender volume if he would only stop repeating himself ad nauseam. He writes in a pulpy serialized style, as if he expects each chapter to be read a month after the last so he has to catch you up on everything that happened only a few pages earlier.

Stone Spring is a similar alternate history series where it feels like "Time" is the main character. Three books about doggerland not sinking and I wanted my time back by the end...

I've waited a long time for this! 🧿🧿🧿

Cody's criticism of Harry Turtledove's Alt-Hist is similar to mine: in his books, history has a momentum that forces certain events to happen in much the same way as they did in our timeline. For example (Spoilers, I guess) - in the Timeline 118 series, although the Confederacy survives for nearly a century, this doesn't stop World War 1 happening in 1914, the Great Depression in the 1930s and World War II in 1939. For some huge geopolitical changes, it seems for the most part he's just rewriting history with different names.

@danielgibson2604

10 ай бұрын

Alternate History as a fictional genre only really gets interesting when we allow history to follow logically from the events that happen in the alternate timeline rather than assuming as you put it that history has a momentum or a mind of its own. If all we're doing is relabelling actual history it's just boring

@JamesZheyuXu

9 ай бұрын

It’s timeline 191

Would have been cool to see people in the story tame the honkers and ride them into a battle. What wasted potential!

Loved this fireside chat, thanks

Turtledove books truly are an enigma 😂

Rhode island is finally an island

I heard that Mel Gibson is planning on making a movie based on these books. He would be playing Radcliff.

@BlackZero95

9 ай бұрын

Which one?

I hope you do more of these

I love the more casual and laid back tone this has. Really does feel like your around a campfire just chilling and talking :3

Please make more of these! Also a Collab with Possible History would be amazing.

Turtledove now sounds like he peaked as a creator too early, and coasted on those successes ever since.

This was a nice chill video, hope we see some more like it in the future. Also you totally should consider making your own scenario based on this premise, that would be real cool. Rest in peace honkers

Thanks for the awesome content and great videos!!

If a Radcliffe led the uprising, it is conceivable there was a Radcliffe leading troops against the rebellion. Therefore, the Radcliffes would've come out on top no matter who won.

Was there a Daniel.... Radcliff??? And did he become Harry Potter in this world as well????

@STFUGOOGLE420

10 ай бұрын

I wonder if harry potters author got canceled by the 41% in thus timeline too😂

@Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel

10 ай бұрын

​@@STFUGOOGLE420god, you scum just gotta muck up everything you possible can, dont you? Just gotta bring up how much you cant fucking stand anyone different than you any and every opportunity possible, no matter how irrelevant it is.

holy crap the way the protagonist family was brought up, I was half expecting the Radcliffe bloodline battling against some English blond vampire through the generations...

I would really enjoy watching Cody go nuts with this concept. I think he'd come up with something really cool!!

"2 Georges" sounds so much more interesting than Atlantis. Will I watch this anyway? Yes.

@GlizzyGoblin757

10 ай бұрын

Get this…. you could watch both.

@I_Love_Learning

10 ай бұрын

@@GlizzyGoblin757 Mind blowethed

Nice idea for a video collaboration It also has more depth than the usual format

Glad to see another scenario from Harry turtledove being presented by my two favorite people

I haven't watched the video yet, just wanted to say off the bat that I love this series.

Bretons discover the new world!!! Bretons discover the new world!!! (O_O) Imagine that. Bretons colonise Atlantis - Nouvelle-Bretagne? Super-Grande-Bretagne? Breton becomes the official language of this new land, the Gwenn-ha-du becomes the flag of the United States of Atlantis !!! Why didn't you do that, Mr Turtledove???

I like Turtledove’s minimalistic approach to his books and characters. Real people are people of habit, and they will do and say things over and over again. It’s a specific cup of alternative tea that I appreciate.

Agent of Byzantium is my favorite Turtledove book. It's set in an alternative 14th century where Mohammad became a Christian saint causing the conquests of Justinian to be longer lasting, leading to the Roman Empire making an almost complete recovery. The main character is a Byzantine spy who goes on missions for the Empire. I actually really enjoyed that one. The Lost Legion series is really good too. That's the one about the Roman Legion that gets transported to an alternate universe where they become mercenaries for the Empire of Videssos, which is based heavily on the Byzantine Empire

Cody: "This is a terrible ending" Also Cody: Keeps said ending

The Radcliffs are Joestars and płot happens becouse od JoJo logic

Make Atlantis Great Again! 😂

Can't wait for Cody to talk about Guns of The South.

Loved that series...