It would be great to see TFL do an off road challenge between a Bronco Sport and a Crosstrek, maybe base models if possible.

@jayhiggins5239

Жыл бұрын

You can see that on another channel. Spoiler alert - Bronco Sport.

@joeyg283

Жыл бұрын

@@jayhiggins5239 Thanks Jay

@tallll70

Жыл бұрын

Yes, because this is badlands is far better equipped then Crosstrek, but base Bronco sport with only brake awd just as Crosstrek is would be great comparison

@Android.Paranormal

Жыл бұрын

The Subaru Outback Wilderness would be more equal considering prices are very close.

@vincefairleigh6899

Жыл бұрын

This slip test is useless on flat ground, do that on a steep hill, then see how useless brake actuated traction control works.

This shows why articulation is important, the rear wheel wouldn't have slipped/burnout like that if articulation was better. But the fact it sent enough power to slip like that was impressive!

@derickmilner1013

Жыл бұрын

Precisely what I was thinking. Needs the disconnects for the anti-sway bars.

@dhmtnracer1

Жыл бұрын

I like how it would spin the tire too.

@WW-wf8tu

Жыл бұрын

@@dhmtnracer1 Spun the front drivers tire as well. Nobody has said anything about that. lol Regardless of articulation deficiency, the fact that the terrain management system detects what is going on and sends power where it is needed is incredibly cool! Wish I had this back in the 70-90's. All that open diff. stuff I drove was ok. But I can think of a hand full of times I needed a rear locker or 1 of these smart computers to send power to the wheel(s) on the ground. My TRD-OR is the smartest baddest 4WD I have ever owned and it is hard to imagine things improving from that.

@TalkingHands308

Жыл бұрын

Not going to get much articulation from a crossover unibody SUV...

@jamesfranks634

Жыл бұрын

​@@WW-wf8tu 😊

My wife has about 5400 miles on her '23 Badlands. I joke that it's the nicest "2-seater with 4 doors" we've ever owned. It really is a nice little car for her to go back and forth to work or for two of us to run around town, but as a family with a daughter in college and an adult special needs son; its SMALL. The backseat is barely usable for an adult, in fact if I'm in the driver's seat it would be impossible for any adult to sit behind me (I'm a big guy but only about 5'10"). We ordered the Badlands to get the bigger engine after driving the smaller one on test drives and realizing how anemic it felt; but she'll never use any of the true off-road features of the Badlands. The most use we'll get out of the AWD is a few times a year if we get snow/ice here in South Central PA.

Great video Tommy. I think the best package is the Badlands without any additional options. For about $38,000 you get the much better 2.0l engine and twin clutch rear axle .

This thing is awesome. I love the homage to the original styling and it’s mad capable for what it is. Nicely done. With so few being made, and the capability that comes with it, I say the price is quite reasonable and worthwhile.

Nice video, Tommy! You make a great case for that little crossover. The tech seems to work well.

I got a 2023 big bend 2 months ago, got 3500 miles on it and I’m loving it. Coming from the northeast, this thing blasted though 8in of snow and since impressive on and off road on normal conditions.

I had to make it to my shift at the hospital during a blizzard and I have never felt so confident in weather like that than in my Bronco Sport. I've got a Big Bend trim and it made my commute through the snow and ice seem effortless. Interior quality and drivetrain refinement could be better, but I'm overall incredibly happy with my purchase.

I'm usually a crossover hater, but this is impressive.

We got a badlands for my wife this year. It was driving sports tv and this channel that convinced me it was just cool enough to go buy for her haha. We love it!

Happy Thursday.......it's almost Friday...have a good one ✌️

The problem with these clutch based systems is the clutches wear out relatively fast.

Love the upholstery!

Very cool, thanks Tommy! I wonder what the service interval is on that differential?

Fantastic review👍

TFL has a ton of Bronco Sport content. Really enjoy my Bronco Sport Badlands. Comfortable for my daily commute and more than enough for my camping trips. Getting 30mpg on the highway even with the larger 2.0l. Seating position begins to feel a little awkward and uncomfortable on long road trips though. I suppose that's because it sits straight up like a truck. The interior plastics are atrocious in terms of how easy they scratch even on the top of the line model but I suppose that's just how modern cars are. This is what 95% of all "big Bronco" owners actually need. In fact, the Badlands or Heritage edition is probably more than most actually need.

I’ve been waiting for this video

Love the new broncos both the sport and full sized.

In your first three wheel slip test, the front wheel was spinning too. The suspension is probably a little stiff and wouldn’t let enough pressure on the tire on the ground. Nice system😁

@RyTrapp0

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't help that that's some pretty damn slippery concrete, pretty minimal surface texturing, just light brushing. That should really be done on a stickier surface since the point is to test the AWD/traction control system, not test the tire traction. For that matter, a prepped drag strip starting line would probably be optimum since it would remove any traction limitations of the tire LOL, but I'm sure standard asphalt on a warm day or a more heavily textured concrete surface would do just fine. The AWD system likely wouldn't have sent as much wheel speed to that one tire as it did on a stickier surface; it looked much smoother in application in the dirt.

Great review on the Bronco Sport, I would love to see a test on the lower end model. I just recently purchased a Big Bend edition for my wife. We replaced our Expedition with the Big Bend and so far after about 5K miles we love it. Even with the 1.5L 3 cylinder engine this crossover really performs well. I am curious as how well this model without the locking rear diff would perform on that course.

I have a 23 OuterBanks. It’s sweet. Great gas mileage and so far when I needed 4wd it’s done it’s job. I live on a several acre farm and have taken it in boggy dirt. My only issue is a leaking back passenger door! Apparently it’s a common problem with the weld on the door. 2 months out from being able to get it fixed!

I actually just got one of these but in the darker peak blue color and I love it. The only thing that really limits where they can go is ground clearance which isn't usually a factor for me and I just took a trip to Yellowstone with mine and average 27 mph on the trip that was going uphill most the way and 30 on the way back and I know other people have done even better and while I was driving around in the park I was averaging 32 miles per gallon and that 2 l assuming you have the heritage limited (badlands/first) and not just the heritage (base-outerbanks) is still so powerful and fast for a small SUV. It's I love it. It's the best compact SUV that's has everything, power, off-road, efficient, comfortable, really cool looking, and they're just still so amazing! Off-road for what they are and even not for what they are just compared to a regular off-road vehicle. Also, I will say even though the clutches do seem to grab in normal mode, I took it on a pretty rough trail in Sedona and drove it up in normal and back in rock crawl and I had a little bit of slippage in normal mode and none in rock crawl so it does seem there is a bit of difference or it's really is more aggressive in those modes for me at least And I drove it in snow this winter and it was amazing. If you went fast enough it literally just glided on top of the snow and even when I slowed down and it sunk into it, I never had to worry once about it getting stuck, and The nice thing about the clutch is is it can work at any time at any speed or I assume it can. Where with a locker you can really only use it off road and it lower speeds

@LuisGuillermoMoreno

2 ай бұрын

"The nice thing about the clutch is is it can work at any time at any speed or I assume it can. Where with a locker you can really only use it off road and it lower speeds" is like an LSD plus a locker 2 in 1

@sock979

2 ай бұрын

@@LuisGuillermoMoreno Yeah but I will say they don't have a full lock like a real locker. They will slip a little in the most extreme circumstances but it's very close

I would absolutely LOVE if you could test out a base model. Come on people! Let TFL test out your base or non Badlands model!! I think it would be the push I need to go all in and buy one!

This Bronco kind of reminds me of the Landrovers 2010 Freelander 2 which then became the Discovery Sport, I don't personally like the colour of this one but love the rest of it, hopefully we'll see them over in England.

@blue_lancer_es

Жыл бұрын

I think ford just reused what they learned.

@terryclarence1209

6 ай бұрын

The roof line of the Bronco Sport is eerily similar to my 2012 LR4, a.k.a. “Mini LR4”. Ford knocked it out of the park with this shape that could have been JLRs Discovery Sport but instead they woosified and changed nearly all their models to look like a stretched version of the RR Evoque. The sales results of the new Defender should be screaming to JLR to bring back the boxy look!

In normal mode it’s running pretty much the same system as my 2019 Escape… and I’ve driven that on stock tires in places that 4wd F250s on off road tires were struggling. Clearance is the only issue - the torque vectoring system is amazing.

Excellent performance on rollers, looks like you were reaching the physical traction limitations of the tire to pull you off the rollers not a fault of system

I just got one in blue and I love it

did anyone notice that in both 3 wheel slip tests that the tire with grip was spinning on concrete, as if there somehow wasn't enough grip between tire and concrete to move the truck off the rollers?

@RyTrapp0

Жыл бұрын

There wasn't - look at that concrete, it has pretty minimal surface texturing, just some light brushing. Add in that most of the weight was on the one tire beside the one without rollers and the one tire directly behind the one without rollers, and it just isn't quite the ideal surface for this test(since this is about testing the AWD/traction control system, not the tire). A more heavily textured concrete or an asphalt surface would've worked much better, it likely wouldn't have sent a much wheel speed to that one tire since it wouldn't have needed it.

Those "steely" wheels look great.

Thanks for doing this! Its the best off road compact SUV on the market... period.

Bronco Sport is probably the best AWD CUV out now. I would probably go for Outer Banks with the Black Diamond package (off-road wheels/tires and skid plates), or the regular Heritage edition (1.5L Turbo) with the skid plates addon. I like the gas mileage on the smaller engine, and the Badlands/Heritage Limited are much more pricey.

It would be cool to see this test done with a Base/Big Bend/Outer Banks Bronco Sport. I think it would still be impressive to see how the well the AWD system works without the dual clutch/locker, and see what GOAT modes work best.

@herbwildey1605

Жыл бұрын

I would like to see that too. But, in Normal mode is essentially the same in all trims so I think we have our answer. The only difference is the badlands is a bit taller, and the bigger engine (so you are right, that could be a big difference). I have the Big Bend and I would like to know more about how to use the modes off road. It seems the consensus is keep it in normal unless you are in deep sand or snow. I have used sand mode in sand, but don't' really think I needed to. All Sand does is spin the wheels more and take off traction control. So my questions are is Normal with traction control off the way to go or ? They took all the guesswork out of the system, but that just leaves us with more questions cause it feels like we don't have to do anything, which isn't as fun...

@twoheadedbillyjoebob

Жыл бұрын

@@herbwildey1605 yes but normal mode is the only mode that's the same that they used, I'm curious about slippery mode and sand mode. Would be cool to see how well those work.

@herbwildey1605

Жыл бұрын

@@twoheadedbillyjoebob me too. some say stay out of sand unless you have deep loose stuff you need to spin, otherwise you are wearing down you vehicle unnecessarily...others say put it in sand anytime you need some off road capability. I wouldn't use slippery unless you are need to accelerate out of snow or ice...I think. From what I gather that mode really modulates the throttle to keep it very down to maximize friction on all 4 wheels. But again, I would like to see how they look on those slip tests. and other stuff.

I had absolutely no problems with the capability of my bronco sport outer banks which did not have the electronic rear Diff, I full-time Overland it all over the Oregon coast range with no problems with capability also got into some very deep snow one time accidentally no issues. My only issue with it was I needed more cargo space and more towing capacity.

@bgarza18

Жыл бұрын

What tires did you use? Stock or did you switch?

Very well done review thanks. Only gripe is that it always is the top of the line model that reviewers seem to test. How about the base or a step up next time? Maybe out of your control and a factory promote but get those manufacturers to play nice next time.

It’s brand new so yes it is impressive no doubt. The big question is longevity & durability.

I had a 21 BS Badlands. 20,000 miles in 12 months. Very fun car. Like a street legal rally car. The 2.0 liter engine is bulletproof. Now the bad news. The dual clutch "Locking" rear diff overheats very fast when you get in over your head. Then it shuts down the all wheel drive system to cool down. Well I got buried in the sand on the Oregon coast, and my son for some reason didn't have his shackles with his tow strap. Had to call a tow truck. Fortunate to get a signal since there aren't really any towns near there. $500 tow bill. The tide was coming in and was about 20 yards from the BS. The tow truck got stuck getting me out, then had to get unstuck himself... #2 the lack of ground clearance will have you dragging your undercarriage thru the snow.... I now have a full size Bronco 2dr Sasquatch. So far its been unstoppable.

Tommy is so cool we are blessed

I have a friend that bought one of these and he swears it's unstoppable; These little bronco sports are the modern equivalent of the 90's Toyota Tacoma, light enough to go anywhere.

A remarkable vehicle, i would love to play with that during the winter

Tommy do you still have the red wrangler? If so, will you upgrade it anytime soon ?

One of the guys at work bought this. We always insult him by saying nice Ford Escape...

Ground clearance, good tires, and some under body protection (skid plates) can get you many places off road. This Bronco seems pretty capable. Most people, if they take it off pavement, are probably not going rock crawling or mud bogging. Probably some dirt roads and more maintained forest service roads.

Pls do a comparison with the 2021 trailblazer with the bronco sport.fingers crossed

The Bronco sport is a nice vehicle for the average person. It will go terrain 95 percent of people NEED to go across. It is also go for light work light construction inspectors, conservation districts and other roles like that. Nailed its role

Kind of wish they had sent you all the baby blue one. It's a really unique look.

Impressive for a crossover!

Good vid, as always. But, it’s the usual problem - you get the top of the line and that’s not what everyone buys. How does a Big Bend do in the same tests? Too bad it’s only the top trim & features. What about just using modes on every other trim (not Badlands or Heritage Limited)? Even using Sant or Slippery, you’re talking to Base, Big Bend, and Heritage trims.

@bills.2891

Жыл бұрын

Annnd… he says at the end of the video that’s what they’re going to do!

The Dodge Hornet debacle is legendary. Instant classic/best of. Love this show.

Would like to get one, but the used market is inflated so much that a new one makes more sense! Maybe a lease return after three model years have been produced and the lease returns are coming back onto the market? Any thoughts ?

It’s a cool color scheme. Interior is a perfect match. I have the Area 51 color with Navy leather interior.

That's great and all, but those fancy clutch style lockers have been known to overheat and fault in everyday off road conditions. Plus what happens down the road with mileage when the clutches wear down?

Do the modes work in reverse

Is like to see the at4 acadia on this test. It also has the twin clutch setup

This model is nice..but I prefer the full frame Bronco model...this smaller model still very capable thou.. Thanks Tommy!!

There is a display above the speedometer that displays wheel power. Would be interesting to watch while u were performing these tests.

Hey i saw Andre checking out the new colorados on GearJunkie KZread channel ... when is that video coming out????

Bronco Sport is very capable little crossover. It would be interesting to see how does it compare with now decommissioned Jeep Cherokee (Trailhawk). I expected similar performance.

@AHungryHunky

Жыл бұрын

Cherokee is cheating, it's got an actual low range. I think a Compass/Bronco Sport comparison would be more appropriate considering the Cherokee is going away due to low sales (probably because the Compass grew and is now taking them and the Bronco Sport took the rest by being shiney and new) Heck, run it up against the Renegade since I see a bunch of people compare them because they are both boxes despite the obvious size difference.

@tarfeef101

Жыл бұрын

Compass has (esp in reasonable price ranges with the upland package) great angles and clearance for the class. But the awd ain't special, that I can confirm. But I don't have the new one with the better engine so maybe that's better?

@RKmndo

Жыл бұрын

​​@@AHungryHunky Cheating? Ford knows how to install a low-range. They chose not to. They also chose not to offer similar towing capacity as the Maverick 4K or Cherokee Trailhawk. $46K? I can buy a convertible Wrangler Unlimited Sport S 2.0T that tows 3500+lb for well under that.

@housepianist

Жыл бұрын

@@RKmndo well, the point is that comparing a vehicle capable of low-range to compete against the Bronco Sport IS kind of cheating. It has nothing to do with the choices Ford made or didn't make with the Sport. Also, you CAN get the Wrangler you talked about for less than $46k, which is good because with the savings, you can open up a bank account so you can pay for its inevitable repairs. 😂

@byrde4329

Жыл бұрын

@@RKmndo You know Ford has a vehicle for that, right? It's called a Bronco. For everyone else that wants to enjoy a nice commute to their job every day and still be able to do more than 95% of what you'd ever use it for off road, there's the Badlands and Heritage trim. I'd waaaay rather daily a Bronco Sport than a Wrangler...

I also looked at these Bronco Sports and you can forget about seating adults in the 2nd row unless they don’t have legs.

We need to see a test with the Blazer RS that also has rear twin clutch but has a V6.

Anyone got links to the jeep renegade th and cherokee th being tested on the rollers and trenches?

All I have to do on my Peugeot 4007 is put it into 4 wheel drive all diff lock. It's effortless especially in deep snow. Not too shabby for a 14 year old SUV.

Please do a Timberline Explorer

I'm just curious, but why dont you do the 3 wheel slip test in reverse? A lot of AWD vehicles have trouble with this, but some can do it. Car Question does these tests. I'm just curious why you skip it?

@haroldbeauchamp3770

Жыл бұрын

Tommy isn’t consistent enough to do these tests, let alone ask him to do more.

@abou824

Жыл бұрын

​@@haroldbeauchamp3770 how is he not consistent? He does the same slip tests for each vehicle...

@mcnuggetapple

Жыл бұрын

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 they have seven channels . He’s probably a pretty busy person lol

@haroldbeauchamp3770

Жыл бұрын

@@abou824 they have countless 4x4 and awd vehicles loaned to then by the manufacturers and skipped the roller test on many of them. There was even a video where a dude bought a mint older model rav4 and I commented to Tommy to put it on the rollers. (I’m well known in the comments). TFL “hearted” my comment and never did the roller test. Just one example. I’ve called out Tommy for his lack of consistency on roller usage. I’m pretty sure they hate me.

@abou824

Жыл бұрын

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 iirc the rollers need greased and rebuilt most every time they use it, it's not shocking that they don't do it for every vehicle they have.

gotta do bronco sport vs jeep renegade

@jerroldshelton9367

Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see that, too, but I'm not ready to part with my Renegade TrailHawk yet.

Not only did it spin the tire on the cement in the rear, it actually did the same thing at the front. The tire actually spun on the concrete.

@jason4663

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that too 👍

I love my AWD system, I like the Maverick platform better, it is the same thing but in a pickup form

@TFLoffroad: I wanted to get my wife a Badlands model but she did not care for it. Oh well. Nicely done Tommy.

So which one is better off road the new honda passport or the new bronco sport

@carllovullo6602

Жыл бұрын

Bronco Sport because of that rear twin clutch unit, honda doesnt have that

Wife has the Badlands about a year now. Snow,ice,some mud....its enough off road for anything we will put it thru. Optional steely looking wheels and larger tires and it pushes a surprising amount of snow. Mechanically i have no complaints with it. Sync 3 sorta is just ok,stereo just ok. No memory seats.....for a top of line model. Overall tho its a nice little suv/crossover and much better for her needs than the full size Bronco she initially wanted.

@ImNorm29

Жыл бұрын

We have a '23 Badlands and have Memory Seats (tied to our keys so they automatically adjust to whoever is getting in the driver's seat) - we did get the Premium Package so maybe that's how we got the memory seats. I totally agree about Sync 3 - why they wouldn't put Sync 4 in there I have no idea.

@rodjbosch

Жыл бұрын

@Scott Musser Not sure a premium package was available in 22. We found one on lot that she loved and loaded up pretty well. So you don't actually have seat memory buttons on door or anything?

@rodjbosch

Жыл бұрын

@@ImNorm29 Researched a bit.....memory seats new for 23

I wonder how long the clutches in the rear diff will last? And how much it costs to replace them when they're worn out?

Thank you. I am surprised that you never put your JL wrangler on this slip test. Please put the "cheap jeep challenge" on this slip test.

@jeepinintexas6215

Жыл бұрын

In case you're unaware, both the JK and JL Wranglers have what's called Brake Lock Differential and will drive right out of this slip test too. It's part of the traction control system when using 4 wheel drive.

Ford Bronco Sport with twin clutch vs Honda pilot trailsport?

I went up to jax and bought the same jacket..

Looks good performance wise. It would do all I need, shame Ford doesn’t make a version towable behind RV. Need a light crossover/SUV for 4 down towing. FORD please make a towable awd version of the Bronco sport (and/or Maverick)

You should make the "professional grade" test with doing the same thing, but on a bit of an incline.

Are you sure there’s no low range ? My 22 outer banks has a low range button.

How does it compare to a Subaru Forester? Nice test, thank you.

seems like automakers could save so much traction engineering filed slip tests by just including a differential locker

Y'all actually did an off road test with a viewers Bronco Sport Big Bend last year or year before. It did great. Y'all did the whole course minus the slip test.

Can't wait to see one of these on FordTechMakuloco's channel.

No doubt--the Expedition is an extremely capable vehicle.

This seems very similar to what the Toyota Highlander did to get out. You called it out for cheating a bit too but the time it did get out, it did so by sliding sideways

A larger tire would help with the traction but there may be a sacrifice of fuel mileage. The Maverick and Bronco Sport are designed to get the CAFE ratings up so they can sell the more expensive vehicles that get worse mileage.

The Pit section of Andre's Trench sounds a lot scarier than the Trench section of Andre's Pit...

I would be interested to know if the same designer that did the Land Rover freelander designed this. extremely similar especially since ford once owned Land Rover. 4x4 system too.

The Subaru's Weirdness trim makers gotta see how the proper approach and departure angles of so-called off-roadish crossovers should look like.

The Bronco Sport is a great vehicle.. would be even more great if it was offered in manual transmission..😊

Yooo Guys!! I know you guys do Landi reviews, and I womder if you guys to do a video. The LR2 vs Bronco Sport! 😁😁😁 I feel like the Sport is Fords version of the LR2, but i think Landi is more capable. Just Assuming! Much Love From Iowa 😊

I wish Ford had given the Bronco Sport a Neutral Tow mode so that it could be towed behind a motorhome on all 4 wheels. This would be a big hit for RVers if the Bronco Sport had this feature.

That’s when the Bronco is running-20 plus recalls.

It is impressive engineering. I just wish it was bigger on the inside for occasional inside “bear alert” camping. It’s doable, but only on one side and with the front passenger seat all the way up and forward. Does anyone know if you can automatically shut the rear hatch?

@TheRidersChoice

Жыл бұрын

I’m 6’4 and my my gf is 5’11. We car camp inside it all the time. Lose some weight if you can’t fit

@JohnSmith-wx9wj

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheRidersChoiceThose are gonna be some tall kids.

One tire with grip was spinning a lot, look like that concrete is too smooth or tire's terrible or just too narrow for the weight.

An appealing all terrain choice. I just wish Ford had better vehicle reliability; for every time the versatile drive systems get you _out_ of trouble, chances are, breakdowns & issues get you _into_ trouble. :^/

Test the GR Corolla if you find one

You should test this same car without the twin clutch and see how it reacts

Finally a great little cross over that can truly go off-road, but $40k plus is just unreasonable. A maverick tremor is a good $10-15k cheaper and uses the same platform and hardware. No doubt Ford will sell all of them though.

@TheRidersChoice

Жыл бұрын

The maverick is way more of a penalty box inside and when spec’d with a tremor package it’s going to be almost the same.

I like the looks of this baby Bronco. But I would go for a lower spec model myself. Seems this baby bronc has some decent off road chops, but both on your slip test ramps and on your holes section of the course, it lookes to me like the Bronco sport is very limited on suspension articulation and travel. Way to much dog leg lifting going on. Is it really that limited in suspension travel or are the springs just to stiff for the suspension to support the needed levels of individual wheel travel. Looks like the rear wheels are only moving just over two inches and that’s it.

Love the outside! That interior is fugly though

I would like to see my 2005 Acura MDX do that

@chaosseat

Жыл бұрын

Go buy yourself some rollers then….

recall for leaking injectors?

@TheRealCatof

Жыл бұрын

Recall means it will be fixed for free