The thing that will always hit me with Suikoden 3 was the Intro animation and music. Man it was so mindblowing as a teenager.

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

It’s brilliant

@jowilson5581

Жыл бұрын

same I used to just sit and watch it over and over as a kid, haha

@clazzimodo1932

Жыл бұрын

The same people who did the suikoden 3 intro also made intros for the 2 suikogaiden games for the ps1. Check those out if you haven't yet.

@saeefa

10 ай бұрын

One of my favourite openings to a video games of all times, I still listen to the music

The Trinity System makes this entry of the series my fave. With Suikoden only being pushed from it's throne once I dove into "The Legend of Heroes" with "Trails in the Sky: The First". The latest Trails-installation even has a sub-par Trinity-System as well.

Suikoden 3 was the first game in the series I was able to be excited for on release, I remember learning about it from a full page ad in a magazine my friend had brought to our science class in middle school. "Oh damn you get to play as a Harmonian that is going to be _awesome!_" I definitely enjoyed it, but wasn't really blown away by it at the time. Set it aside and revisited it a couple times over the years, but never got far enough in any replays to even finish any of the chapter 3 stories. Fast forward to last year, when I finally committed to a full playthrough again, and... wow. Could not believe how much I loved the game, and it easily shot up to my #2 in the Suikoden series (sorry but S2 will never leave that top spot). I especially loved the dynamics shown for the various Grassland tribes. As a native american I saw a lot of my peoples' tribes and their dynamics represented in the various cultures of the Grasslanders - how the Lizard Clan and Karaya Clan were different peoples with their own priorities and lifestyles, with a history of clashes between each other, but who could still come together towards common goals like trying to repel the Zexen invaders. There were some elements of mysticism bullshit that I wasn't really a fan of (oh sure aila is able to just "listen to the earth" okay game), but overall I was blown away by how it presented the people of the Grasslands not as savages resisting an inevitable change, but a people who's values and beliefs were just as valid as those in Zexen or Harmonia. Love Suikoden 3, don't feel I can sing its praises enough. Loved your review of it, and especially your take on Chris' character arc!

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I definitely think this was a turning point for the series creatively and visually. I still appreciate it for what it's worth but some elements have aged incredibly poorly.

Ah, S3 my favorite of the series. I loved you perspective! Agree with all. Nice work sir!

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking it out! It's one of my favorites of all time as well :)

This is my favorite Suikoden, in large part due to the trinity system. I LOVE seeing the story from differing perspectives, even Thomas' chapters. I think its pulled off very well in Suikoden 3.

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

I have my gripes with it but it definitely was refreshing and helps with most RPG’s linear nature

I'm replaying it right now for the first time since it came out. it definitely holds up in most respects. The much, much better translation that this game got compared to Suikoden 2 certainly helps. I have the same general complaints about the battle system that most people have but it's not a deal breaker. I actually ordered this soundtrack online back in the day, so I got it before the game was out. And I was so excited.....and then I heard it and wanted to throw it out the window. It's definitely grown on me, and I like it now, but I will never forget my crushing disappointment after the expectations of Suikoden 2. The trinity sight system is the best thing in the game. It's incredibly unique and helps the story telling in a way that other games could just dream about.

My favorite jrpg. S3 is my favorite in the series as well

i liked the trinity system, getting three different viewpoints of the same story was interesting. gathering the 108 stars was exhilarating. this is my favorite suikoden of all time.

The Trinity System is what made Suikoden III as my favorite. Just seeing the many perspectives of each characters was made it more compelling! Going through Hugo's story, completely hating Chris for what "she" did and then playing Chris' story and seeing that she didn't do anything wrong per se, and then seeing the behind the scenes story through Geddoe was a thriller and finishing with that special last character. That system is like switching between Riou and Jowy's perspective in Suikoden II if there was a perspective! That would overblow the story and make the Suikoden II fanbase explode! I do Hugo 1 > Chris 1> Geddoe 1 Hugo 2 > Chris 2 > Geddoe 2 ETC until choosing the flame champion. Which I choose Hugo as it tends to be the canon when it comes to the Flame Champion. To me, Chris should be built as the True Water Rune bearer, since Wyatt is her father, but because of Wyatt's connection to Hugo and Chris, either can hold it. Thomas and the dog, play as I go. Being able to keep a True Rune? That depends on which Rune is being bore. Something like the Rune of Punishment or the Souleater? NAH not in 100 million years. The True Elemental Runes are a bit more able to stomach, but the visions of the future of what Luc sees, I'm quite sure Hugo, Chris, Geddoe, and Sasarai will eventually see or see different visions of what their True Runes want (I assume a few of the other elemental runes vision of the future is chaos.) The True Elemental Runes at least don't siphon the life of you or others, or deal with the effects of the Moon Rune or the Sun Rune, nor do they force you into circumstances unwilling like the Circle Rune, Rune of Change, or both halves of the Rune of Beginning. You can live with the effects of the True Elemental Runes, or even stagnate their effects and live pretty normally, all you need to do is be ignore their vissions like Wyatt and Geddoe did between the time of the Firebringer War and Suikoden III.

That game has alot of character and so many story put so well into it make me want to play that game back on ps2 and older ones back then

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Damn good game imo

I loved this game so much and collected the 11 Volume Manga drawn by Aki Shimizu (please support her work, she is really talented). Hugo was probably the first dark-skinned character in a JRPG and I remembered how it felt as a young 16 year old to find a character to identify with. And Hugo was not a Mary Sue. He was not overpowered, he doesn't "get the girl", he is the focal point of overall narrative but Geddoe and Chris were no less important to the storyline in different ways.

3 is my favorite. 1 and 2 were classics obviously, i like how 2 was a direct sequel. Jowy being the bad was a real shocker when i was 12 haha. But this is a great series, great video

@chrislouton4378

Жыл бұрын

BTW, I love that you pronouced Suikoden properly.

I have some pretty good memories of this game! I missed the second one.

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Love this franchise to death.

Good job Chao, watched all your Suiko videos,

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking it out! Much appreciated

Suikoden 3 was really good. For most of the game the problem was that the ending felt very much rushed. It was building up and building up. and then it had a rushed ending

Great review man. Damn I gotta play this game again, haven't touched it since the PS2 days. Maybe after the release of the S1 and 2 remakes I'm gonna give this one a well deserved second playthrough.

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

It's a great title. Slightly over hated by part of the community but I loved most of my time with it.

my favorite jrpg series and favorite game in the series, you cannot beat 70 plus playable characters in a jrpg

i was 15 years old in 2002 when i got suikoden 3. I think Duck Village is the most memorable aspect of it. I still remember the music.

Suikoden 3 will always be my favorite. #Justice4Geddoe, he’s easily my favorite protagonist.

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

That's my guy! Underrated protag in the series for sure.

Loved this game, never beat it. Grinded up all the characters I needed for the final war battle then let a friend borrow it while I was grounded and then he moved without returning it. Well hey, I’ve got the remaster for ff8 and chrono cross on my switch maybe this one will get redone too

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully they do the whole collection.

I've only played 1 and 3, but I love them both dearly and have played them through many times over the years. 3 was a big step forward in representation, not only with Hugo but also with Chris. being able to play as a girl right off the bat and have her be a respected knight who isn't like super sexualized and hyper-feminine was a breath of fresh air in this era of JRPGs. She's surrounded by colleagues who look up to her, she's renowned for her skill as a commander, etc., but then the game also doesn't shy away from having her be tangled up in some really morally messed up stuff, either. Her arc of going from working for the man to helping the resistance at the cost of the life she's built for herself was really compelling. Plus I thought it was cool as hell that Luc from 1 comes back in the way he does. He was a pretty minor character in 1 but this recontextualization of him in 3 was really interesting to me. I'm glad they had the guts to take 3's concept and just run with it as far as they did. I still love the dice game in 1 though. My god was that shit my jam, I'd just sit and play it all day. And who could forget Gremio T_T

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

Good assessment 💪🏿

great video and retrospective Im subscribing

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

my suikoden jouney started with Suikoden 2 Demo. Suikoden 2 and 3 are at the top of the list for me. After playing S3 i started S4 and was initially dissapointed but S4 grew on me so much that i would place it next to S1. It is S5 that i would put at the bottom as i was constantly reminded of what i liked more in the other ones, like the Skills barely matter for most of the game.

NAHHHH how you gonna talk about the music and not mention the intro? One of the best intros in video games

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

You right. I 100% should’ve mentioned that.

@cal5750

2 жыл бұрын

@@LC356 Great video, regardless! S3 is my personal favorite, I'm glad someone is giving it the credit it deserves.

This was my first Suikoden title and I really enjoyed it.

Suikoden 3’s opening animation was probably the best part of it. Suikoden 1 and 2 together constitute my favorite RPG of all time… and the. We have 3. Its primary characters and villain were insufferable (particularly the ‘canon’ hero), scripted losses all over the place, the battle system of three groups of two instead of just six… I will say the idea of giving us more agency in the war battles was neat, but that’s about all the praise I can give it. Oh! That and Thomas. Wish he’d been the main character. Or Geddoe. And also I liked playing as the dog. But that’s it. As I see it, 1 and 2 were incredible, then they just skipped to 5 for some reason.

I love this game! My only problem with this game was the new magic system because it was just way too easy to get your melee fighters caught up in your own magic casts. Yes, I understand that it could be mitigated but let me play the way I want to play!

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed - Friendly fire was complete trash.

That opening song is amazing though.

I completed Suikoden 3 quite a lot of times in my life and I grew fond of playing the Story from different points of vieh. Geddoe takes the cake for me, when we talk Story.

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Geddoe and Chris are definitely my favorite arcs as well.

@Pokerface-tr1ds

2 жыл бұрын

@@LC356 Sounds about right. You know, I love the banter and bickering in Geddoe's Band of Mercenaries. Yoz have Geddoe, who is a not quite the talkative guy, but very intelligent, cunning and wise, since he is 112 years old, due to the True Lightning Rune. Then you have Ace and Joker: Youngster vs older Veteran, which is simply hillarious. Then you have Queen, who is a badass in her own right and last but not least we have Jaques and Aila... these youngsters are the perfect addition to the Crew :)

I love this game its my number 3/ 4 depending on my mood. 2 and 5 are my favorites with 1 and 3 fighting for third

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Same

I thought it was a really good game and the story was really strong. I did not like the fact you could not control all the characters in the battle though. I did enjoy the villain's perspective also which was a nice little inclusion that was obviously never done before or repeated after also and was good to finally get a bit of actual Harmonia into the games.

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely felt that Suikoden 4 should've been about Harmonia 100%. It seemed like such a natural buildup after the last 3 titles definitely a missed opportunity.

I played S3 for the first time about 3 years ago and I really enjoyed it. I wanted to play it so badly as a kid but being in Australia it was never released. SO it was really nice to finally play it. I really enjoyed the story and the gameplay was pretty good. If they dropped the chapter structure and had S2 combat and graphics I think it could rival S2.

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed 100%

Great video. 3 never came out in PAL regions, so I never played it. Your video made me want to pay it "any way that I can".

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

You should!

Wish this series was still going

"Hey yo, Suikoden II I'm gonna let you finish but...Suikoden III...is the best Suikoden of all time!" okay that might be going too far but yeah Suikoden III is easily my favorite and I love how a lot of people are finally coming around to discovering how great this game's story and world is.

I know im a year late but im currently playing suikoden 3 on the steam deck. I’m revisiting all 5.. even though ive been playing suikoden two for about 81239809238r498930248 times now lol

I love this game ❤

i love futch in suikoden 1 and 2. ao when 3 is realise o was wondering what happend to bright? bright is the white dragon found in mountain after killing harpy. and yes im happy to know bright grow as adult dragon

I enjoyed this one the must..

S3 has my favorite story in any video game. I loved it so much I bought the manga.

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

It's godlike

Can please do a story summary or recap of Suikoden 3 4 and 5?

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure that I would time. That unfortunately isn’t really my forte.

I think this game is super underrated and I think it aged super well I like the anime esq characters

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Suikoden 2 is my best pick and also love 5

i say suikoden 3 is one of my favorite story on suikoden series

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely for sure. Great Hero’s x Villain dynamics and exceptional world building.

Do u think we need to revive suikoden as a franchise or remake it to be more modern?

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

I think if it was to come back as a full blown title like Suikoden 6 alot of things would need an overhaul but what always made the game special is it's story and themes. As long as those things are tight it'll be fine.

I enjoyed the story in spite of the battle changes. It is my 3rd favorite in the main 5 but that doesn't mean it's note great.

It is funny how all think of Suikoden 2 as this absolute behemoth of a game even though it didnt review or sell that well back in its day, it wasnt until much later that people started seeing it as a classic I feel like it was reversed for Suikoden 3 with it getting the highest reviews in its time in the series but now all of a sudden, some people hate it?

I didn't really remember much of S3. didn't really get to explore my town that much. I played it using a walkthrough which took away the charm of it somehow. But I did enjoyed it overall,. If I have anything critical to say, perharps it's on how they designed the army battles..

I like Suikoden 3 because for the first time, there isn’t a clear “bad guy” among 4 independent factions, although the Zexens were kind of jerks. I also enjoyed the expanding lore of the 27 true runes and the place of the Holy Kingdom of Harmonia in the world. The battle system was cumbersome, and the graphics were so horrendous that it would probably be better if they stuck with 2D sprites. The war/battle system also suffered: I like that it was more objective based and you could experience it from different sides, but a tactics system is probably best rather than the web of slightly challenging random battle-style encounters.

@Drew-qs2wk

Жыл бұрын

And Suikoden 3 has one of the scenes that I remember making me cry, when that one girl sacrificed herself due to the beliefs of her clan.

@taongtabohn8506

Жыл бұрын

Agree. There's that line from Nash about how kids see the world in black and white but they'll soon realise when they're older that everything is in shades of gray.

justice for geddoe!

I wish tir,flik and victor would of returned.

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Yessir, would’ve been brilliant

@paulsmith9192

2 жыл бұрын

@LordChao what u think happened to them?

@DarrylCross

Жыл бұрын

@@paulsmith9192 If anyone would know that, it'd be Edge; he seems to have gotten his sword and his fashion sense from Viktor.

suikoden 2 has the best story for me but 5 has better game mechanics like skill point to give players more options with characters.

Final fantasy 8 and chrono cross were excellent games. I think this game was ok. Not something to buy a ps2 for but definitely playable and enjoyable for someone who loves the turn based combat. The war set up was cool too I thought. I also found 3 stories in one game simultaneously interesting. Not a horrible game but not the best either.

I have not played 5 or beat this one. For me it falls next to last with tactics being in last. The trinity system is my only real issue with it. I thought it was just an intro for each character then they would merge into one solid story.

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it definitely could've been handled way smoother.

i loled at mr cultural appropriation

@LC356

2 жыл бұрын

Appropriating culture before it was cool - Jimba (Probably)

My fav suikoden in the order would be 2,1,3,5 and 4. Played tactic but too different from those 5 so aint going to rank it.

I loved all Suikoden games up to 4... 5 was already kinda off for me... not sure why.

I was with you 100% up until the bit about ff10 lol. I despise that game, it turned me off of the whole series. I've been dying to replay 3, it's going to be nostalgia overload. I've replayed 1 and 2 a dozen times but haven't played 3 since I got it while going to college.

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

Understandable. I've come to learn over the last few years that FFX is actually much more divisive than I actually thought.

@ogedeh

Жыл бұрын

@@LC356 don't let this detract from the fact that your video is excellent, good job 🤘

I forgot black characters wow 👌

My fave is suikoden 2. I’m currently playing Suikoden 3 .

I love Suikoden 3. 2,5,3,1,4 in that order for me. I do not like 4 I had to force myself to finish it. I really liked the trinity idea the castle was on the weaker side. But seeing futch and bright all grown up and being able to use sasari I was in. I really liked the 3 main characters too.

3 was my LEAST Favorite. that doesnt mean it was bad. it took away alot of what i enjoyed. it copy pasted Saga's battle system for war. you got 6 members but if you chose 3 peoples worth of magic abilities the backrow just.. attacked. thats like cutting your legs off imo and it overall felt like the trinity system although one of the best things about the game made the game disconnect and a trudge to get through. I play the suikoden series once a year So thats not to say i dont enjoy it. but originally i felt that including Luc and the enemies as part of the stars of destiny was super lazy and a shitty decision and after reading the source material i realize it shouldv been 74 enemies with the rest heroes and have evolved for that being an issue

My only beef with 3 is the absolutely atrocious battle music

Another franchise that should not have go 3D. The 2D games, just like Chrono Trigger, Terranigma, Treasure of the Rudras are graphically timeless. And all PS1 franchises who made the transition to 3D failed, are ugly and barely playable today. Going 3D also fcked the FPS down to or even below 30FPS and that affects gameplay directly! 2D games can be desgined so beautifully. Not to mention, so many Isometic 3D games make it really dificult to see details. This is especially worse for 3D RTS games. Where the ugly units visually fuse with the ugly pizza puked background textures. I cannot recal any issues like that in any 2D isometric game, ever! And i played almost every noteworthy game since the DOS era. Suikoden 1+2 are masterpieces you go to when you finished Chrono Trigger. The rest of the Suikoden series is severely lacking in evey single department! 2D will always be timeless.

@LC356

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think the transition to 3D was the problem. For S3 the Trinity Site system and the battle pairing system were way more problematic.

This game really killed my interest in the suikoden series. Suikoden 1 and 2 were so much better esp the music. I hated Suikoden 3's awful 3 graphics, very bland. Also hated the changes to the combat system. I will take good 2D over bad 3D any day. That said I did try and play it back in the 2000s in my 20s so I have to look back and give it another go. But SUikoden 1 is by FAR my favourite suikoden and one of my top 5 of all time. Nothing compares to the Suikoden 1 music, story, characters and writing. But esp the music.

Suikoden 2 is always better

those 3d models so stiff. i just cant get past it.