Subjective Discourse is Boring

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The best part about your opinion is that it doesn't matter. Keep yourself safe
I have never seen such a widespread misconception. Lets face the truth. Humans are not normal by nature. Dudes today don't properly develop. So they either can't understand something simple, or are insecure about their feelings on art. Grown babies. Its the truth.
Today I explain my problems with subjective discourse. Specifically with art. But. Even though you can say "opinions" in discussions like this its really only because the answer isn't clear. Just like philosophy or politics for example. So I might be wrong or you might be wrong about some things. So its time to use your mind to its fullest potential.
Love you and thank you

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  • @bananaboyhappy
    @bananaboyhappy2 ай бұрын

    love yourself, but be honest with yourself

  • @Doubyas
    @Doubyas2 ай бұрын

    Instead of spouting off half-assed ideas, some people just need to plead the 5th. All people are doing is convicting themselves as a dumbass.

  • @FloofyProtogenwhoeatsyourram
    @FloofyProtogenwhoeatsyourram2 ай бұрын

    Middle schoolers when they find out someone has a different opinion about something they love: “L TaKE, ArE YoU HIGh BrO?”

  • @user-tz7gj3if4t

    @user-tz7gj3if4t

    2 ай бұрын

    Don't tell that to godzilla fandom, they will dox your location.

  • @ruff1236

    @ruff1236

    2 ай бұрын

    “What are you on about” is another annoying one

  • @menddevfanchannel

    @menddevfanchannel

    Ай бұрын

    'And You just missed the point of the video...

  • @Lambdrx

    @Lambdrx

    Ай бұрын

    “What is bro yapping about” i hate the kids that use the word bro in every sentence

  • @finixmoon127
    @finixmoon1272 ай бұрын

    Uploading such an important video on April 1st is a chad move. This has bugged me for years at this point, so I’m really glad you’re pointing out how dumb it is to say that a piece of art is objectively good. We humans are not robots : we have so many more parameters that affect our personal biases, most of which are completely irrational or related to a specific individual (memories, experience, psychology, emotions, intuition/vibes…). I’d go as far as to say that different perceptions and views on the same thing are what make the concept of art special in the first place. As you mentioned it’s completely absurd that we’re at a point where people have to specify that they “respect an opinion” when that should go without saying. Hey, you who is reading this, you know that favourite *insert art form* of yours that you love to rewatch again and again ? Yeah, someone out there thinks it’s mid. And that other thing that you consider to be the worst piece of art of all time ? Someone out there thinks it’s peak. “So what” you ask ? Exactly. Now stop saying that opinions matter and either listen to them or ignore them if you can’t deal with the emotional trauma. Sorry for the yap, TLDR : Objectively good art = nonexistent, rely on personal vibes and nothing else to determine a piece’s value. Discussing it with someone with a different take can be fun and interesting, but only if you’re willing to actually listen to each other and try to understand why your opinions differ.

  • @RoosterCogburnPhD
    @RoosterCogburnPhD2 ай бұрын

    I'm fond of when people give an "I feel" and "I think" rating. They're both valuable, and even a techinically awful game can be a blast with the right mindset, like Pathologic.

  • @ThaMxUp

    @ThaMxUp

    2 ай бұрын

    so much of our opinions on art really comes down to *how* we experience it as well the point in our lives, as well as our preexisting likes and dislikes, and even the people in our lives can all have a huge effect on how we feel about the media we consume when we look back on it

  • @thatsteinwaykid
    @thatsteinwaykid2 ай бұрын

    This video is great way to communicate such an important and prevalent issue on both the internet and in real life. Huge fan of your content! (My opinion)

  • @nickhenson3093

    @nickhenson3093

    2 ай бұрын

    L take

  • @Door227

    @Door227

    2 ай бұрын

    L take bruh are you high such a beta

  • @oopsiesh

    @oopsiesh

    2 ай бұрын

    W take, perhaps even sigma take.

  • @alienboy1322

    @alienboy1322

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@nickhenson3093 Have you ever been punch in the face before?

  • @nickhenson3093

    @nickhenson3093

    2 ай бұрын

    @@alienboy1322 Jesus was dreamgender and gogy-sexual

  • @mikeyrat4313
    @mikeyrat43132 ай бұрын

    The fact he has made this same video multiple times says a lot about most people

  • @toxin1662
    @toxin16622 ай бұрын

    This is just an ideology that sadly will never come true, but I appreciate you attempting to make more people try. Much love.

  • @xplayzum9393
    @xplayzum93932 ай бұрын

    its crazy how like 3 years ago i thought i was dumb for not liking something because others did

  • @menddevfanchannel
    @menddevfanchannel2 ай бұрын

    Bro is tryna make me cry, 😭 I loved this video it makes me remember that people are actually people online and I know that might sound stupid but I forget sometimes I'm being serious for once I love your channel when I first discovered your channel I was just bored and wanted to watch something to trash on speedsters writing in show's so thank you for making your channel you're one of the best person on KZread Keep up the good work,

  • @TheFloodFourm
    @TheFloodFourm2 ай бұрын

    I needed this video. I think the problem is that for most people their only interaction with art is as a form of entertainment. So they judge pieces on one metric, fun, which leads to the linear scoring system that is still prevalent today and the inability to accept anything that isn’t inherently fun.

  • @hampter6207
    @hampter62072 ай бұрын

    The random battle block theater music brought out some nostalgia

  • @bromachrome
    @bromachrome2 ай бұрын

    Subjectively, I appreciate your videos despite me not always agreeing with you

  • @michamikoajczak9070
    @michamikoajczak90702 ай бұрын

    Art is at least not entirely subjective and i know it because sometimes i can really like something and simultaneously know that it's not that good, just really struck my taste, or vice versa. I'm sure you experienced some examples of things like that too. Based on that i argue: art is not entirely subjective.

  • @ZAGON117
    @ZAGON1172 ай бұрын

    gotta say, your videos always bring a great perspective to things. I think the biggest thing people lack is perspective, they are unable to understand each other and other viewpoints outside their own.

  • @Ravonaa
    @Ravonaa2 ай бұрын

    The rise of critical anti-intellectualism rises from people being accustomed to being in their bubble of positivity for films. Mainly childhood ones. And I partially blame the youtubers who profit off the nostalgia around films who generally tend to always talk positively about these childhood films and also compare them to "disgusting gen alpha kids films lol", so in this bubble people just circlejerk their opinions off and reject any sort of discourse that may risk having their views challenged on the matter. And to be honest, it's hard to blame. Like you said, it's hard to move on from movies you grew up to and liked in the past, especially with these youtubers revindicating your love for these films and preventing you from the chance of moving on from them. Therefore shutting down/poking fun of those who disagree will be easier than honestly engaging in a discussion with them.

  • @realchezboi
    @realchezboi2 ай бұрын

    I wish at the very least, people would explain their stance with reasoning, bare minimum to become discourse at all.

  • @Huey101Shots
    @Huey101Shots2 ай бұрын

    It needed to be said.

  • @Mexican.jr20
    @Mexican.jr202 ай бұрын

    Honestly this video sums up the reason I like your videos. You have a great understanding of subjective commentary that not many have and it is very refreshing. I also agree that 2 people can have different opinions on the same medium and its okay. Art really should never be competitive with itself because it tends to dilute the point of the art work. Thank you for another banger vid my guy. Respect 👌

  • @animelover5585
    @animelover55852 ай бұрын

    In my opinion art is neither 100% subjective or 100% objective

  • @postmelons2282
    @postmelons22822 ай бұрын

    This was a genuinely good video. I feel like if you try to express this, in anyway, some douchebags still just want to be trolls and respond L TAKE, just because they rather tell you to shut up, you’re wrong, invincible is perfect, and you’re stupid for even trying to argue against anything regarding invincible, or whatever art you’re discussing.

  • @Very_Silly_Individual

    @Very_Silly_Individual

    2 ай бұрын

    Okay, won't lie, I really liked invincible in the first season. Show was kinda peak, even for its flaws. Not so much the second season though... I am... _less_ fond of the series as of late, for reasons self-explanatory 😬

  • @aquashuriken1634

    @aquashuriken1634

    2 ай бұрын

    L take 🤓

  • @cycle3773
    @cycle37732 ай бұрын

    Does RSG just screenshot any dumb comment he sees online

  • @Devilm4n-cw8tv

    @Devilm4n-cw8tv

    2 ай бұрын

    They're easy to find

  • @Door227

    @Door227

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Devilm4n-cw8tvI’d say probably a 90% of comments are stupid including this one

  • @dougwalker8068
    @dougwalker80682 ай бұрын

    Thank you. This has honestly been the most helpful insight I've had in a long time.

  • @SpareMango
    @SpareMango2 ай бұрын

    Really liked the flash movie and knew it had many issues but saw a long video breakdown of it and I realized damn. This is complete trash. But I can enjoy it and still recognize that it's a bad movie.

  • @Micheybomber

    @Micheybomber

    2 ай бұрын

    Nah bruh there is no objective measure. You're going directly against the video rn

  • @alienboy1322

    @alienboy1322

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@Micheybomber You need to be punch.

  • @Lowmmvii
    @Lowmmvii2 ай бұрын

    Man… this is something i’d get taught in therapy (thx for saved time)

  • @ninjdraw8305
    @ninjdraw83052 ай бұрын

    I agree.

  • @ferociousrazordino3581
    @ferociousrazordino3581Ай бұрын

    Says the guy who calls people who think stuff he doesn't like are masterpieces frauds

  • @anthonygoodson6736
    @anthonygoodson67362 ай бұрын

    You are unironically the best KZreadr IN MY OPINION

  • @Micheybomber

    @Micheybomber

    2 ай бұрын

    L take bruh

  • @Very_Silly_Individual
    @Very_Silly_Individual2 ай бұрын

    I will continue to say "L take" because it's funny, actually. And doesn't need to serve any other purpose than that. And ovbiously, I'd back it up with a full chronically online paragraph of reasons why it's an "L take." Of course.

  • @alienboy1322

    @alienboy1322

    2 ай бұрын

    @Very_Silly_Individual 1. It's not funny 2. You spell "obviously" wrong.

  • @Wully2K
    @Wully2K2 ай бұрын

    There is absolutely some objective means of critiquing art, especially in terms of the techniques and execution. I still appreciate the vid and you're right with the general discourse being a crapshoot, but art is not entirely subjective. If all art and criticism of said art was completely subjective, then what is even the point of criticism? What is the point in trying to critique art if there's no objective measures for various artists to potentially improve upon? Can people honestly say that me throwing a bucket of paint randomly on a canvas has the same quality and merit as something like the Mona Lisa? Of course not. There are objective measures to hold artistic works to. Also, to say something is "good" is not a subjective statement. It's an objective one. Words like "good" and "bad" are objective descriptors. When someone says a work of art is "good", they are saying it's good either in comparison to other works within that medium, or they're saying it's good in the sense that it meets a certain set of rules and standards that are expected from a work in that certain medium. To say something is good is to ascribe an objective value to it. It has and never will be a subjective statement. Also, those critics who you praise in this vid are held to such acclaim because they are knowledgeable of the art. What is the point in their knowledge, their expertise, if there's no objective measures? If art and criticism of said art is entirely subjective, their words hold no more weight than some random joe schmoe who can barely articluate a point beyond "I like it". They're held in such regard because there's objective measures and standards we hold art to and they're the ones who are very knowledgeable of those standards and are good at expressing their opinions on how various works hold up to those standards. Of course there's some subjectivity involved for any critique, but to insinuate that "all art is subjective" is to disregard the very real committment and effort many artists go through to improve their skills and live up to the standards and expectations of various artistic mediums established by their forebears. In my experience, most of the discourse sucks because people cannot be honest about the poor objective qualities of works of art they happen to like. Also, the internet is set up where quick, quipy responses are encouraged and most people aren't going to bother to take the time out of their day to do a whole write up of their perspective on something. It sucks but that's just how it is. The discourse will always suck online. The comments you highlighted in this video are really stupid and demonstrate a lot of the problems. But it's not the only problem with the discourse. The problem with the perspective of "all art is subjective" is that it's very dishonest and is primarily used by consumers and critics as a cope to disregard the criticism of art they enjoy. No one genuinely believes that there is no objective standards or measures that can be applied to art. The artists I personally know and speak to frequently do not subscribe to that perspective because it's worthless to them. How can a painter improve their craft if there's no standard or merit to the various techniques used to create a painting? How can a writer further refine their storytelling techniques if there is no standard in which to compare their work to? To say that all art is subjective and that there's no objective standard to hold it to is to disregard the centuries of artistic expression, evolution, and discovery. It's to disregard the creatives who constantly strive to improve their art. Ironically in this video where you express a desire for people to be more honest about their feelings toward art, you express the most dishonest one. All art and the ways we perceive and criticize art are not entirely subjective. Criticism of art involves the consideration of both the objective standards and merits we hold artistic works to and the subjective feelings we get while engaging with said art. Art is both objective and subjective. You cannot properly create or critique art without both. The people who want to remove objectivity from art and express that "all art is subjective" are just insecure in their artistic works or critcism of art and don't want to deal with any pushback against their art or criticism. Regardless I do find value in getting other people's perspectives on art. Just like you, I also like to watch various reviews and critiques to get other peoples' perspectives. People sharing their views on art and how art makes them feel is a good thing, but it should not come at the expense of disregarding the objective quality of different works of art. Art is both objective and subjective.

  • @slendermf8588

    @slendermf8588

    2 ай бұрын

    Perfect comment, I always had this on my mind and you're the only individual that ive seen that shares this exact outlook other than me. To be frank i can see where the all art is subjective crowd are coming from but I feel like a third of those people are insecure about their own opinion, the other third is just trying to sound cool, and the last 3rd has managed to delude themselves into thinking thats the case

  • @finixmoon127

    @finixmoon127

    2 ай бұрын

    @@slendermf8588 I’m in the last 3rd lol

  • @oopsiesh
    @oopsiesh2 ай бұрын

    really appreciate this way of thinking. Great video man, love your commentary.

  • @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447
    @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447Ай бұрын

    4.34-4.37 actually that is a very big point of contention in the philosophy of art. there are many intellegent people who'd clim that "is it good?" is a different question than "do i like it?". though i VERY much disagree. maybe a minor point, but still; i think it's fun to discuss the smaller points too

  • @justjames4
    @justjames42 ай бұрын

    Yeah, I agree with most of this video. I'm sure some people just don't care enough to be careful before they send messages online.

  • @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447
    @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447Ай бұрын

    10.09-10.12 what do you mean by "writing"? isn't everything in a story "writing" or at least can be expressed in writing?

  • @joem.9256
    @joem.92562 ай бұрын

    Art isnt just subjective,there are objective observable qualities to a story which we can analyse,such as pacing,the plotholes and so on,you can still like those pieces of media but it doesnt mean they are good or bad.

  • @TarlukLegion

    @TarlukLegion

    2 ай бұрын

    The thing is that even something truly objective like plotholes ultimately has a subjective impact. For some people it ruins the experience, others they can know about them and not care at all. Pacing also gets perceived differently, some people might love the slow pacing of a film while others get bored of it quickly. Even if you consider those to be "objective qualities", the end result is ultimately the same

  • @joem.9256

    @joem.9256

    2 ай бұрын

    @@TarlukLegion It does not matter how it impacts the person,the problem will still be there and you can point to it,its true people value different things differently but that alone doesnt tell us much about the quality of something. It is perfectly fine to like something which isnt good,my favorite movie of all time is Revenge of the Sith,but thats a subjective analysis of things,i wouldnt tell you that its a great movie.

  • @skepticaltile
    @skepticaltile2 ай бұрын

    excellent video as always rsg (2). i never liked numeric ratings for art, tier lists are better since they're really just rating something in contrast to other things, but when words are used to justify one's opinion, that is best. i personally really like subjective discourse, and i often overexaggerate my own feelings to the point of lunacy or satire because i think it's fun to get heated over stuff that doesn't matter just to feel something. it would be nice if everyone were as serious and careful about observing art as you are, but then we wouldnt get any entertainment out of stupid pointless arguments. as a side note, since i know you read your comments, a few videos back when you talked about anime writing, you mentioned seeing berserk and how it was dogass (or something to that effect, i dont remember). i know youre tastes lean towards subtle and well thought out writing specifically, and thought i'd try recommending you the berserk anime from 1997. most people say read the manga, but it's too long in my opinion, and devolved pretty quickly with bad characters and dumb power scaling tropes. the only reason im suggesting this, is because the berserk show im assuming you have watched was the one which came out in 2016, which is extremely shit. anyway im sorry to have written you an essay as a youtube comment. if you end up liking berserk 1997 then it would be neat to see a review and maybe you could take more recommendations for media from your comments (like recs for games and books and shit you may not have heard of). have a nice day.

  • @Sean.R
    @Sean.R2 ай бұрын

    Oh hey I wondered if I’m in this one 👋🏻😅 ❤️

  • @hexcodeff6624
    @hexcodeff66242 ай бұрын

    To be fair, Adum's perspective on the ornithopters in Dune still doesn't really make sense to me, the amount of confidence he has in what futuristic vehicles made by civilizations which mastered incomprehensibly advanced technology would realistically look like just doesn't calculate.

  • @doodlederp2546
    @doodlederp25462 ай бұрын

    Very nice video man, I'm curious to see what people will think of this opinion after they watch the video. I think, Friday Night Funkin songs are good. Yep, that's my opinion. One that I know many will heavily disagree upon. I wanted to be honest with how I feel about some songs made for fnf in topic of this video, "Art is subjective". I listened to fnf artist called "Churgney Gurgney", ridiculous name I know, but tbh I love listening to his songs. Of course I am not fully on his boat, as I do feel he often uses vocals that are too off tune, loud or groggy. But something I feel needs to be noticed by him is the instrumentals he can create for fnf. For example, I love the song "Your copy", god I vibe with it so much, using sm64 font and piano to make an angelic, yet such a sorrowful vibe. Another example is "Red Killer", the vocals for this can feel soft and harmonic, yet also have some parts (especially Godzilla's vocals) be very ear piercing or scratchy. But DAMN do I love the cinematic feel of the instrumental, like I'm actually watching a Godzilla movie. Basically what I'm trying to get at is, I know people will not go near fnf anymore, but I still want them to at least try. If they do not like most of the songs, fair enough, and I won't try to get you to do. I feel this video has lifted some weight off me, to be open more on opinions, and others as well. I know I will probably still hop on trains of hate or love in fear of being attacked. But I still feel as if I can slowly open up little by little more because of videos like these.

  • @Firey_Dude
    @Firey_Dude2 ай бұрын

    What is your opinion on Darkviperau

  • @RSG200
    @RSG2002 ай бұрын

    Guys insecure test: Spider Verse 2 is a 4/10 Kung Fu Panda 2 is a 5/10 Cyberpunk 2077 is a 5/10 One Punch Man is a 1/10 Star Wars (1977) is a 2/10 Gen V is a 2/10 (RIP Chance Perdomo) Dark Souls 2 is a 3/10 Despicable Me is an 8/10

  • @HorusDiSaset

    @HorusDiSaset

    2 ай бұрын

    L take + didn't ask + you lost your credibility + you didn't get the point + bro really said this + you're objectively wrong + I'm inside your walls + I'm inside your penis

  • @Doubyas

    @Doubyas

    2 ай бұрын

    Only reason OPM isn't a 0/10 for me is season 1's animation tbh.

  • @kugeki6564

    @kugeki6564

    2 ай бұрын

    L takes, Uninstall life

  • @jsmith434w

    @jsmith434w

    2 ай бұрын

    Star Wars (1977) is a perfect movie. I don't think it's possible to improve it. Your appreciation of art is subjective, but if you're trying to give a piece of art an objective rating, then you can't be ignorant about the level of talent that was required to make it. You're allowed to just be someone who watches movies and doesn't understand how they're made, but be prepared to be mocked by knowledgeable people for it. I find simple card tricks fun and impressive, but Pen & Teller might not be impressed, and I won't go around rating magicians because I know nothing about the craft. To be honest, I find rating the idea of rating stuff on a 10-point scale to be super silly to begin with.

  • @hs1798

    @hs1798

    2 ай бұрын

    L take bruh

  • @rumbazumba3189
    @rumbazumba31892 ай бұрын

    This video was really well made in my opinion, a lot more professional than most of the previous ones in my opinion. Again guys this is only my opinion.

  • @robrick9361
    @robrick93612 ай бұрын

    Art isn't subjective, a person's individual tastes are subjective. The Godfather is an objectively better movie than Rush Hour 2.....................but I prefer Rush Hour 2. The real problem is that most people never practice self reflection and think that something is good entirely based on whether it appealed to them. But something can appeal to you for all sorts of reasons which have nothing to do with the art's quality. Maybe the main character reminds you of your favorite teacher or the villain looks like your high school bully. The subconscious mind is always affecting us. Ever smell something and immediately get reminded of a memory you didn't even know you had? These are just associations our mind has made subconsciously and we need to self reflect to separate ourselves from the art to see it more objectively.

  • @realchezboi

    @realchezboi

    2 ай бұрын

    Why is the Godfather objectively better than Rush Hour 2?

  • @hexcodeff6624
    @hexcodeff66242 ай бұрын

    I don't think there is an "after you understandood a piece of art". There is always more to learn. I would say I get what you mean, but I don't, actually. Who would you say "understands" a piece of art? At what point does that happen?

  • @user-fl3oc1bw3u

    @user-fl3oc1bw3u

    2 ай бұрын

    When you can’t think of anything else to say about it, after you’ve talked for hours? He said PIECE of art, not the whole art, obviously there will be new stuff

  • @hexcodeff6624

    @hexcodeff6624

    2 ай бұрын

    @@user-fl3oc1bw3u No, I am saying you can never truly "understand" even a singular piece of art, that's why I quoted it as such. Anyway, my philosophy is that art is to be experienced, not to be understood, and you can only ever get to understand your experience, not the art itself.

  • @user-fl3oc1bw3u

    @user-fl3oc1bw3u

    2 ай бұрын

    @@hexcodeff6624 well if that's your philosophy it's weird to ask him that, because no matter the answer you would disagree

  • @hexcodeff6624

    @hexcodeff6624

    2 ай бұрын

    @@user-fl3oc1bw3u Philosophies can change, that's why you discuss them

  • @14megasxlr
    @14megasxlr2 ай бұрын

    I feel like this video wasted my time. All you said was “opinions are opinions, so stop giving opinions on others opinions.” Wtf? Isn’t that literally what this video is doing?

  • @whydoiexist2180
    @whydoiexist21802 ай бұрын

    how can you tell someone is being honest about media?

  • @user-fl3oc1bw3u

    @user-fl3oc1bw3u

    2 ай бұрын

    If they can’t explain why they like it or dislike it, there probably not honest

  • @joem.9256

    @joem.9256

    2 ай бұрын

    Thats a broad question,im gonna take the liberty to assume you are talking about when people are saying objective things about art,you can tell if they are being honest if they propose arguments that are cosistent,if they are not and you can tell they are purposefully acting in bad faith or omitting things they are being dishonest

  • @bloob1734
    @bloob17342 ай бұрын

    bro really felt some type of way 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

  • @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447
    @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447Ай бұрын

    i think that your tone is WAY too combative and lacks empathy for stuff that you probably did as well, but it's overall still a very good and philosophical video, and surprisingly wholesome at the end! (well, minus the picture of the raging guy). though i disagree about something central that you said "you can only trust the way that you feel about a piece of art". i think that if someone points something out to you that you haven't noticed or haven't thought of before then it change your opinion; it sure as hell happened to me.

  • @edwardg8912
    @edwardg89122 ай бұрын

    I would disagree with this conception of aesthetics and artistic appreciation. The comment you read was correct, that you can have an appreciation for a piece of art that is not to your taste. And that is sort of the distinction. Matters of taste are subjective. However, it is a taste in aesthetics, which can be analyzed objectively. I would compare art to food. You can dislike eating something, and still recognize that it is a healthy, good thing to eat. The art we absorb has an influence on our sensitivity to aesthetics and beauty. I did not like Oppenheimer subjectively, but it’s a good movie aesthetically. Opinions actually can be wrong, just not in the same way facts can be wrong. If you think that Caravaggio painted ugly paintings, that can be your opinion, but it is a wrong opinion, because beauty is not a matter of subjectivity. Your response to beauty is what is subjective, and there is a degree of reader response that can enhance your experience of a particular work, certainly, but you can account for that in an objective analysis.

  • @edwardg8912

    @edwardg8912

    2 ай бұрын

    That being said, I really appreciate you creating this kind of content. There is not enough dialogue around the proper way to discuss art, and you diagnose correctly that most people on the internet have no standard or nuance whatsoever when it comes to discussing art.

  • @Bannanakaito
    @Bannanakaito2 ай бұрын

    bro i said to my "friends" that i don't think gta is one of the best games of all time PERSONALLY and they said "what is bro talking about"

  • @cythefreakhouse7196
    @cythefreakhouse71962 ай бұрын

    Bro Sounded Like Muscle Man with the L Take at the beginning,great video

  • @Naytone
    @Naytone2 ай бұрын

    Did Brad really think Hidden Place was that bad???

  • @TheUnknown-bq3eb
    @TheUnknown-bq3eb2 ай бұрын

    The TLDR for this video is art subjective when someone doesn’t like my take

  • @existentialhorror2218
    @existentialhorror22182 ай бұрын

    As always, another banger

  • @croadout275
    @croadout2752 ай бұрын

    Bruh those cw flash fans that start getting mad and call you a meat rider just cause you think the character is inconsistent

  • @dogwarrior123
    @dogwarrior1232 ай бұрын

    I found this video quite thought provoking, and I wanted to give my 2 cents for anyone who cares to read. You say in the video that the quality of art is subjective, which I think is a reasonable position to hold, but you also claim that certain types of comments are bad (L take, W opinion). I don't think you can logically hold both of those positions at the same time. What makes a youtube comment fundamentally different than a TV show, that one's quality is objective and the other is subjective? How does it differ from judging someone's actions as good or bad morally? None of these judgments have a factual, basis, and if you drill down into any of these for long enough, you'll find that you call them bad because you don't like them. (i.e. Murder is bad, Why? Because it's unjust for the victims and their relatives, Why is injustice bad? Because I don't like it) That's an example of my own philosophical process, and you're free to have your own, but I don't see how, logically, you can believe art is subjective, and morality is objective. It's either all subjective, or all objective. For my part, I believe it's all subjective, but as I stated above, I think unfair things are bad. I believe it's unfair to say that the movie Megamind 2 is of the same quality as the movie Wall-E, therefore I'll call Megamind 2 bad, and Wall-E good. I think it's unfair because one clearly had more thought, effort and talent behind its creation, and I believe those traits should be recognized and rewarded. That's why, despite me not liking any romance movies, I won't call the genre bad, because I recognize the efforts that go into those movies, and it would go against my philosophical view of the world to call them bad. That's how I can hold the position "I dislike something but still think it's good" with a functioning brain.

  • @DestinySpider
    @DestinySpider2 ай бұрын

    L take bruh Yeah I guess enjoyment is pretty subjective. People have different tastes. But there's still rules sometimes like setup and payoff in storytelling which things like Playstation-Man 2 kinda fail at, resulting in a story that I would say is objectively pretty badly told. Idk. And what's the point of having online discourse if I can't shout at people for wanting Devil May Cry remakes, when my opinion that we should get new games instead is completely correct?

  • @SteveMkorLadder
    @SteveMkorLadder2 ай бұрын

    Isnt art both subjective and objective.

  • @user-fl3oc1bw3u
    @user-fl3oc1bw3u2 ай бұрын

    I’m just gonna leave this here pay me no mind The lore of Fnaf doesn’t make sense (which btw is the only good quality of these games) and the movie is even stupider If you think I’m rage baiting ask me why I think this way and I can explain

  • @realchezboi

    @realchezboi

    2 ай бұрын

    I’m more curious, could you explain what doesn’t make sense in the lore?

  • @user-fl3oc1bw3u

    @user-fl3oc1bw3u

    2 ай бұрын

    @@realchezboi ok for starters - why Afton, the main antagonist of the franchise, turned into a serial killer, you would think he is an important character, but we don't know - he made animatronics that can be worn to stuff corpses inside... that's literally not how animatronics work - nobody questioned the smell and why is it coming from set animatronics, you would think that they would start to rot and btw several more restaurants under the same name were opened with nobody questioning how always children near them disappear - the animatronics came to live (because the souls of the children literally said ,,Nah, I'd win" and refused to die) and immediately turned evil and hostile towards the player, makes you think how much in this world this happens, how many other objects have came to life - reminent, literally everything about reminent, Afton found out that the children he stuffed inside the animatronics started to leak live juice... nonsense aside, you are telling me that since the dawn of time nobody in this world found out that the dead in this world do that? I can go on and on, but you get the point

  • @kinoman4875

    @kinoman4875

    2 ай бұрын

    @@user-fl3oc1bw3ufnaf lore sucks? Wow colour me surprised. It’s clear scott cawthon did not expect the game to go the way it did and just made it up along the way

  • @immabotbtw
    @immabotbtw2 ай бұрын

    1>2 imo

  • @melodicmajorcollective
    @melodicmajorcollective2 ай бұрын

    Based

  • @Shockwave-uu8uu
    @Shockwave-uu8uu2 ай бұрын

    Riding hate/love trains and not forming your own opinion or thinking about how YOU enjoy something is straight caveman behaviour tbh

  • @demiliomason1565
    @demiliomason15652 ай бұрын

    whoa! look it's me in the video! hi mom, I'm on the T.V.s! very ebpic april fools video broh.

  • @Juiceman18036
    @Juiceman180362 ай бұрын

    Let’s find out (Dark souls 3 > elden ring)

  • @halo_582
    @halo_5822 ай бұрын

    thats a subjective opinion

  • @gamerpro2222
    @gamerpro22222 ай бұрын

    W take broski

  • @userunfriendly9304
    @userunfriendly93042 ай бұрын

    I am not gonna watch this video, but I am gonna say "subject these nuts lmao"... subject these nuts lmao. Idk what subjective discourse is. Is it like those master-kitten people on My Little Pony discord servers?

  • @animelover5585

    @animelover5585

    2 ай бұрын

    L take bruh

  • @userunfriendly9304

    @userunfriendly9304

    2 ай бұрын

    @@animelover5585thanks bruh. I am literally L from Death Note. I look like him even when I'm not cosplaying him because we're just so similar.

  • @Micheybomber
    @Micheybomber2 ай бұрын

    I gree

  • @AscendingAbove1

    @AscendingAbove1

    2 ай бұрын

    L take bro

  • @alienboy1322

    @alienboy1322

    2 ай бұрын

    @@AscendingAbove1 Nobody asked you. Bro

  • @blackestyang7528
    @blackestyang75282 ай бұрын

    I don't have to convince you you're wrong I just have to convince you I've thought about it enough to where you won't try to respond doing that in short order to satisfy our tweet-centric one-liner obsessed world though...I don't like it either

  • @LightOfMyLife227
    @LightOfMyLife2272 ай бұрын

    W video

  • @Sup-ng7un
    @Sup-ng7un2 ай бұрын

    one punch man is so funny

  • @KwassaKwassa_
    @KwassaKwassa_2 ай бұрын

    L take frfr never let bro cook again

  • @JDkn
    @JDkn2 ай бұрын

    W take

  • @KXG1123
    @KXG11232 ай бұрын

    Uh, actually, your opinion is objectively wrong because my subjective opinion is objectively right because I said so

  • @RSGLOVER_200
    @RSGLOVER_2002 ай бұрын

    Play fortnite with me bro

  • @monkeybrosofficial
    @monkeybrosofficial2 ай бұрын

    I just wanna say I have a LOT of opinions and people have always argued with me like crazy. Thing is people are stupid and are sheep, everyone has there opinions mine is that Star Wars’s Andor is peak. So FREAKING WATCH IT.

  • @finixmoon127

    @finixmoon127

    2 ай бұрын

    Andor being peak isn’t even a hot take lol, it’s just still very obscure for some reason despite so many people praising it

  • @jacobmagana4258

    @jacobmagana4258

    2 ай бұрын

    dude called people stupid sheep and then misspelled "their" in the same sentence

  • @realchezboi

    @realchezboi

    2 ай бұрын

    @@jacobmagana4258 grammar isn't imperative to the point he's making, he's talking about stupidity as the inability to critically think for yourself, not how to use there/their/they're

  • @jacobmagana4258

    @jacobmagana4258

    2 ай бұрын

    @@realchezboi i don't care i love making ad hominem arguments

  • @monkeybrosofficial

    @monkeybrosofficial

    2 ай бұрын

    @@jacobmagana4258 Womp womp. Bro most morons you will meet on the day to day basis are sheep. Deny yourself and pick up yo cross.

  • @slothman239
    @slothman2392 ай бұрын

    L take

  • @user-ho2pp2pu1f
    @user-ho2pp2pu1f2 ай бұрын

    L TAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Usedneedle7000
    @Usedneedle7000Ай бұрын

    this video is wrong

  • @user-is9dg1iv3o
    @user-is9dg1iv3o2 ай бұрын

    L take bruh

  • @WayneGlensky-vx5er
    @WayneGlensky-vx5er2 ай бұрын

    L video

  • @ollejohansson6572
    @ollejohansson65722 ай бұрын

    Good points but i just say you drawn as a sojak... so L video

  • @gamerpro2222
    @gamerpro22222 ай бұрын

    Nope, you are nitpicking and biased, I win bye bye.

  • @benziedshit
    @benziedshit2 ай бұрын

    This video is a fat L

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