You are the KZreadr who I can only describe as "I don't agree to 60% of his words, but that 40% is cooking beyond comprehension"

@burrito4

5 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I was gonna say but worded better

ngl if spiderman ps4 had optimus prime skibidi toilet ohio gyatt rizz buckle shoe banban fortnite pibby fnf crossover event in it itd be like 10/10 writing

@justarandomuser12520

8 ай бұрын

tf😂

@MB-eh2kp

7 ай бұрын

@@justarandomuser12520wait let this man cook…

@awman3966

3 ай бұрын

He's cooking amphetamine ​@@MB-eh2kp

I’m gonna defend the baseball scene in Invincible by pointing out that Nolan is actually an alien from an alien species that doesn’t value parenthood anymore. There a real reason in the plot that she would feel the need to explain how relating to your children makes you a better person.

@strict5797

8 ай бұрын

tbf though it did still feel pretty forced. like he could have learnt that over time and through some hardships while trying to bond with his son and learn how to be a father while training him on how to use his powers, and the responsibility of a superhero. making him understand parenthood and what it means to love someone. making it hit harder when omni man left after beating his kid. But nah it just gets explained straight up what he should think and know. But that's just my opinion in the end.

@afewthreads1460

8 ай бұрын

@@strict5797he’s a viltrumite his version of bonding with his son is teaching him how to be an efficient and strong executioner judge and jury if he was gonna go about it his traditional way

@mrmelonman2893

4 ай бұрын

@@strict5797 that would work for a normal father, but for omni man, his idea of raising his child is teaching them how to a warrior of mass destruction. ur example implies that omni man wanted to learn how to be a good father, but in reality hes only there because of his ulterior motives.

Otto’s monologue and the Invincible clip aren’t about explaining to the audience. For Otto, he was always shown as a benevolent genius using his mind to improve the world, then after the neural interface fucks his brain, then his God complex comes out. In Invincible, Debbie is explaining to Nolan the beauty of humanity because Nolan is from an alien civilization that cares about nothing but Conquest (hehe) and subjugating those “beneath” them.

@MasterChakra7

8 ай бұрын

It is about exposition, you could achieve the same thing but better through actions and displaying emotions

@psychosalad6653

8 ай бұрын

@@MasterChakra7 I had a typo, I meant to say explains, not expose

@THEKXRMANETWORK

8 ай бұрын

@@MasterChakra7how else do you want Otto to express his emotions when he’s on his fucking back and can’t move. God damn did y’all want the mf to get up and look depressed? It sounds like y’all don’t like the writing of superhero stories at all lmao

@tesleemhussein5217

8 ай бұрын

​@@THEKXRMANETWORKNotice how the yourubed for this vid didn't name an alternative. He's acting like otto having a god complex was super obvious

@jaxxpool9630

7 ай бұрын

@@tesleemhussein5217I need to mention that he doesn’t even give context to why being relatable doesn’t mean good writing.

I can get why you don't like Spider-Man's writing, but there are plenty of worse examples you could have used. Otto and Peter's conversation with eachother at the end of the game is really good. Yeah, it might be a bit corny how he almost uses the "great responsibility" line verbatim, but it illustrates how much Peter and Otto believed in eachother before. Peter listens to him because even after everything that's happened, he doesn't want to give up on Otto, and he still wants to help his friend. And then Otto drops the "We need to do what's best for those beneath us", hammering in the final nail of the coffin and having Peter accept how much Otto has betrayed him, and the principles he thought they both once stood for. It's alright if you don't like it, but I think it hits all the right beats.

@THEKXRMANETWORK

8 ай бұрын

If this is how he reacts to this story I’d strongly doubt he’d say any piece of Spider-Man media is well written save the Raimi stuff cause everybody agrees that’s well written lmao

@insertnamehere259

8 ай бұрын

⁠@@THEKXRMANETWORKhonestly yeah maybe I’m just a mindless fanboy or whatever but this game is for spider-man fans and if your a fan of something you’ll read deeper into it critiques or non critiques

@thelonelykloud7435

7 ай бұрын

I want add to this. Spider-Man is for everyone. Not kids not adults all of us. The reason I love this charter is because he’s inherently good. Not because he always does the best thing but because he tries to do the right thing. And this game was just that. Most Adults are gonna play for the story most kids are gonna play for the fun action stuff and “being Spider-Man” but the final line the point of the game is simple enough that everyone can understand it. Kids aren’t dumb far from it. But kids love Spider-Man and as a former kid who used “with great power come great responsibility” to justify my actions I think those who are the most impressionable will get more from the story simply because it’s obvious. Sometimes the writing is on the wall for a reason. And that’s a pretty dam good on if ya ask me.

@godzillazfriction

7 ай бұрын

​@@insertnamehere259you do realise that nothing you typed ever refuted what he had to say regarding Insomniacs SM1 at the ending bit of the game

@godzillazfriction

7 ай бұрын

​@@THEKXRMANETWORKthe difference between Raimi and Insomniacs iteration is that Raimi expands the basis of a Spider-Man story including the character of Spider-Man... whereas Insomniacs is just a basic spiderman story... doesn't mean it's bad but it's good or great or amazing or spectacular

Damn I actually thought the writing was pretty good at first, but yeah you make really good points and helped me see cracks in the writing that many others haven't or didn't see themselves. I still do like parts of the writing, but you've definitely helped show how it isn't perfect

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

I'm glad you took something away from the video. But yeah I wanna say that it comes down to how much you even care for writing in general. I know some people who couldn't care less and thats fine. But I personally frickin love good writing.

@demiliomason1565

8 ай бұрын

​​@@RSG200I mean anyone should prefer "good" writing. But obviously people have different ideas of what that even is. Mixture of biases be damned. I for one enjoyed spiderman ps4. But that's probably because I love spiderman, he's my favorite marvel hero ever; I ain't afraid to admit biases. I thought the game was fun, and insomniac did a good job adapting the characters. Compared to other comic book games or similar video games in general it did pretty much a lot of what I wanted out of it. And I'm looking forward to spiderman 2. This video definitely helped me see how formulaic the writing can be, the cracks as you put it. But that's why I always refer to it as a "good spiderman story" and not just a "great story." Because that's what it's trying to be, a comic-y spiderman story that can appeal to fans of new and old; of ages old and young. I too enjoy cosmonaut and was actually laughing a lot in the middle chunk of the video. You got some good comedy chops, for real.

@insertnamehere259

8 ай бұрын

@@demiliomason1565yeah 100% what people deem as good writing is completely subjective besides specific cases of course

@jaxxpool9630

8 ай бұрын

I think you should rethink what this guy said about Spider-Man PS4. He doesn't provide valid context in his points, like why Peter being relatable doesn't mean good writing. Also he praises The Last of Us Part 2, which is a horribly written story and character assassinates Joel and Ellie. I made a comment in this section if you want more info. Bottom line is you're previous thought that Spider-Man PS4 has good writing was correct.

Bros just hating because he was too late to get all 19 inches of Venom.

As someone who has been watching Colin for like a week, holy shit I did not expect that voice clip in the beginning

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

im sorry that you had to endure the absolute brainrot that has filled your brain with watch Colin The Pig.

@andysokayi

8 ай бұрын

Same haha

Here's MY review for Spider-Man ps4. It's a Good game. Not a PERFECT game... But a perfect foundation! Insomniac are definitely gonna make Spider-Man 2 special this time around. When you compare the two? You'll see a maximum difference. They've found their groove.

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

We'll see bro I'm excited and I hope Spider man 2 is good. They just need to make the story MEMORABLE. Pls

@youngspecial64

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 ohh, they will.

@ProducedByRIFT

2 ай бұрын

how did that go@@youngspecial64

But the invincible scene...nolan isnt from earth its normal to explain that kind of thing in that context

Okay, I'm gonna make some points to respond to your video. Firstly, how come Peter being relatable doesn't mean good writing? An important factor in writing is making you care about the main character, which includes making them relatable. I'm not saying every protagonist has to be relatable, take Masterchief from the Halo games for example. But they can still be interesting and make you care without being heavily relatable. Spider-Man PS4 makes Peter so relatable and interesting as a character. So wouldn't this count as good writing? I don't get what you're saying here. Also, I should add that it's okay if your main character to not change if they're interesting from the get go and makes you care about them, like I said earlier. Besides, Peter has been Spider-Man for 8 years in the game, which means he 's already undergone a lot of development. Also side-note, his kiss with MJ took place three months after Aunt May's death. I doubt he quickly got over her and he may still mourn her in the sequel. Secondly, I don't think you fully understood Otto's intentions and what he meant by his speech to Peter. He wants to win because Osborn took just about everything from Otto, not to mention Martin Li and other people. So Otto's desperate to get revenge on the man who destroyed his life's work. As for Otto's speech to Peter, he implied that he sees himself above humanity and thinks he knows what's right while Peter sees himself as one of the people and gives them the support they need. This is what separates Peter and Otto. Lastly, you seem to not get the problems with The Last of Us Part 2. The reason why Joel's death is horrible is because it relies on character assassination, by having Joel be an idiot and open himself to Abby, forgetting all his training as a cautious smuggler for 25 years. This is all done for subversion of expectation so the story can act like it's clever without good nuance or reasoning. Also, not everyone who hates the game wanted another Joel and Ellie story. There are a mass of fans like me who don't think a sequel was even necessary. The first Last of Us ended on a perfect note and there wasn't a need for the story of Joel and Ellie to continue. That's all of my points. Hope you get what I'm saying.

@AdvayGiradkar

7 ай бұрын

For your first point, just being relatable is something even a meme can do, but that doesn't make it a work of art. Being "relatable" has to go deeper than that

Guys thanks for watching. I did not intend to make this video so long but I guess it kinda just happened. But yeah I'm glad I said all this video before Spider-Man 2. But yeah 8k! Thats insane. Love you guys

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

i still think the flashback from Nolans part does work but at the same time it doesn't work, because of Nolan not knowing what being a parent was actually like... all he did was succumb himself to his loyalty to Viltrum that his love for his family was clouded with hate towards them at some point since its evident from Eva's own standalone show where Nolan looked like he was going to kill Debbie and so fourth with his clouded thoughts over the years that felt way way too short because of how long Nolan lived and at the same time, when he is at his worst, he still has that remnants within the clouded thoughts that he had that was back from the past and what exactly triggered it... well it was in his own depraved beating on his own son where Mark looked like that little boy and where that image of his face would still always remain there via the missing teeth and no teeth in the middle of Mark's beating on the face... its why i said that it does work and is still written well but at the same time, they still could've removed the flashback scene and utilised the scene in a I wouldn't say 'different' but different in context compared to the flashback one and I feel like just being in the moment wouldve worked well because of 'subtlety' - but Debbie saying 'this is humanity' is very cringe considering that Humans are still within universe and if taking our version of 'humanity' in real life for Invincible then 'humanity' are arguably way way worse than Viltrumites... i feel like that's Invincibles biggest problem with establishing Viltrumites as the most big bad when not taking into an account to how 'humanity' is like and imagine the conversations to Nolan about how pathetic and evil Humans are and would expose to what Viltrumites do to get Mark on his side more... imagine if Nolan actually in his spare time studied human history and went into dark web stuff... he'd still view Humanity as like ants and still would do the same with how he did in the show at EP. 8 but it would've been very interesting

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

also do you think that Web of Shadows is bad or trash or something like that considering how you're said the 'other this is trash' and showed the footage of WoS... its like your editing to what you say and show completely contradict with one another and it becomes messy at times to follow but i still liked the the video 👺

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

@@godzillazfriction Thats actually a good point. Omni man isn't from earth but the point wasn't that invinicble mom shouldn't be explaining humanity to him. Its how forced the dialogue is. I had another example later in the video with mark and his mom talking. And for your comment about web of shadows: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6KdqJSfgMauqaw.html

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

also, you should've placed the low honor version for the reverend swanson scene... its much better than the high honor one and the Nun scene is way way too overrated... i hate how the RDR2 community acts like Arthur is some sort of a good guy at heart or not all bad or a decent man or a bastard with a heart of gold... that's just boring and isn't fit to a redemption story that Rockstar is setting up front... one major issue I take with how Rockstar handled its writing towards Arthurs character tieing into the honor system is that it's meant to be a 'morality' system when in the 1st game... the honor system was NOT like a morality system at all... the overall aspect as to why the honor system was introduced in RDR1 was to expand Johns character beyond being an already established character within the main narrative... sure the beginning of the game... it wouldn't really make sense to John to start immediately killing innocent ppl but once you're basically out of the 'tutorial' area then the honor system comes more to hand... you can make john a remorseless killer who takes innocent lives and returns as an outlaw but the narrative doesn't really jeopardise the gameplay aspect as John you can interpret John in playing both sides in Mexico for the sake of getting your family... its the payoff that counts for John Marstons character and does hit him in the end no matter 'how' you play him... but anyways, you can interpret John not caring at all about burning churches and whatnot for the Mexican government or you can interpret John to not liking doing this at all but still thinks its necessary to get his family or completely despise it can kill the soldiers who remain with you at the church area... compare this to RDR2 and Arthur is through and through meant to be an evil dipsh1t who enjoys the things he does and that comes to bite him when he gets diagnosed with TB and for his 'redemption' has to suffer through the consequences of his actions... that's the WHOLE premise of Arthur Morgan as a character... making him a bad guy but who has heart negates the entire point of Arthurs character and his eventual death... i dont understand why most of the RDR2 community get this but i understand that's how Rockstar handled the way they did the 'honor system' in RDR2... now you have ppl who have an perception of that and translate that to RDR1 when RDR1 has its things completely different at a whole other level when it comes to your interpretation of Johns character and the 'honor' system in general... another thing is that Rockstar shouldve kept there original ideas on something like Javier killing a whole stagecoach family to accompany at how the van der linde gang aren't good ppl at all... ppl mainly point it to Micah because ppls justification and their 'morality' wouldn't want to jeopardise the rest of the gang especially the damn main protagonist of the game compared to someone like Micah who doesn't shy away to his evil nature... the same issue i have with how Javier was handled and is the same thing with John.... RD1 john spoke at how he was in the past and it sure was nothing good but despite this, john isn't what he said he was from the 1st game into the 2nd game where its supposed to be a prequel... all you have is John just being an asshole to everyone especially Abigail and Jack until chapter 4 and he's a good boy now... but I do like how John was basically the 1st one that saw through dutch since chapter 2 in random convos in the camp... stuff like that was nicely written but the major problem i have with John is how at a surface level, his progression throughout the game is shallow because of his underutilisation to what he couldve been capable of... imagine him killing innocent ppl as Arthur watches and then laughs as to how angry John is and lectures him by not being loyal enough to dutch and disappearing for that long which Arthur still holds a grudge against... all rockstar did for his progression was just being an major asshole and then turning a new leaf in chapter 4... some of the original ideas that were in the beta were really dark... if you might remember, there was a supposed rockstar employer who leaked about the original scrapped ideas after the game just came out... a lot of those original ideas made A LOT of sense for the mechanics of the game and how deep they were going to be but you might think that this is a BS post but it's definitely just for the fact alone at how he explained the amount of complexity the mechanics were going to have originally.... Rockstar loves making deep and complex ideas then as development progresses... neutering them down for the finalised process of the game like how originally... the game known as 'Bully' was going to have the most complex fighting system out of any fighting game but they scrapped those original ideas because they figured that it would've been way too challenging for the kids to play... a lot of the original ideas in RDR2 were very very DARK... and some remnants are still there with Micah being a p3do... in chapter 3, Micah suggests that him and Jack should go alone fishing down the shores near the camp in a weird tone... but that's all i remember from that encounter...

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 i mean me saying that it was 'cringe' to what debbie was saying about 'humanity' was just a supplement to how the dialogue was written

Rsg 2 never fails to bust on us beautiful content

RSG 2's sarcasm gets me every time 😂😂😂

Characters just spilling out their entire...character is honestly a very fair critique and even I find myself cringing or getting second hand embarrassment whenever I see it happen. Recently I started thinking about all the works of fiction I don't like and what you mentioned here is very common among them and in media I actually like it's never there, it's like the writers respect their audience and don't treat them like idiots who have to be told everything. Although I imagine this video will get a lot of dislikes I genuinely enjoyed, especially your sarcasm and fake outrage lol.

@theretroshogun2961

8 ай бұрын

I feel he cut out the context for the invincible scenes. The first one being that Nolan is a literal alien from outer space who conquers planets. From the context prior , we know how brutal and uncaring he is when it comes to human life. The scene provides a solid reason why Nolan didn't finish off Mark or simply killed him the first sigh of disobedience. Hell, the scene after shows a dad holding his son with joy before transitioning to Mark's bloodied and broken face. Honestly, it's a messed up and tragic scene seeing this kid watching everything around him shatter. The second scene he just cut a minute of the beginning dialogue where Mark and his mother straight up argue back and forth. It shows that Mark, despite getting his powers, has fundamental flaws with his character. He uses and shows off to everyone around him and portrays him having a second wave of confidence. The scene shows his human side with his mother. I wished the scene was a bit longer, but I get where he is coming from. I agree with some of his points, but comparing one of the greatest stories in video game media to a decent story is obvious. We know which one is better, but it's clear that people just found it enjoyable. Not every story needs to be a deep philosophy narrative with master level writing to be considered " good".

@CrocsFortress

8 ай бұрын

@@theretroshogun2961Exactly,people can just enjoy what they like,we don’t haft to compare stories and say that”this one is better”,we just need to like what we like.

Can’t people just enjoy a game and if they don’t like it just give good takes?

It's true that a lot of people were mad that Joel just died But a lot other people had problems of how he died. LoU2 had big problems with the pacing and narrative heavily stacked against Abby, by expiriencing her story quite a while after she killed Joel. So for a lot of people a negative opinion about Abby had already formed very early in the game. This as well as some heavy handed plot contrivences made Joels death not only feeling "unfair" but also they didn't had enough time with Abby to sympethize with her decisions. Character Deaths can be very good tools for storytelling, especially with important ones, but those decisions have to be made carefully and consequences of these must be taken into account.

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

when RSG showed that section of the ending of TLOU2 and said how whatever about how ellie grew as a character (and he didn't even explain the 'how') but she didn't grow at all... the whole character of Ellie in TLOU2 is just a whole pissing and sh1tting that is very very inconsistent with Ellie as a character... one thing to note is how Naughty Dog wanted to learn how to write against Ludonarrative Dissonance and I think Bruce Straley talks about how they didn't want that for TLOU1 because of Uncharted and how him killing thousands and thousands don't get brought up because it's supposedly justified at all times giving the narrative of the games whereas TLOU1, the narrative ties in with Joel and how hes presented as a character... he's ruthless and will kill anyone did kill innocent ppl (possibly children elsewell given how Joel didn't hesitate when they were about to kill Ellie) earlier in his life but he's getting old and quite possibly tired.... that's where Ellie comes along but that doesn't immediately connect with Joel because he is a broken man in a broken world that was broken from the very beginning... Joel really doesn't care about humanity as whole because he lost his daughter to a full, breathing human that was just 'following orders' and the infected just add on that dread of how broken the world is.... as time goes on playing the game... you as a player connects with Joel and Ellie as both the characters are also connecting with each other... this is what the legend aka "Bruce Straley" wanted and discussed upon how he didn't want the narrative be separate from the gameplay as whole and how the character dissociates within himself from the gameplay to the narrative.... once Bruce Straley left, everything went to Naughty Dogsh1t... ludonarrative dissonance came in with Ellie... and 'how' is that, well it's pretty easy... Ellie throughout the narrative of the gameplay dissociates herself compared to the narrative at specific points in the story... the whole dissonance thing with TLOU2 from what I've learned isn't really black and white or one-note because its pretty complicated in a messy way that contradict a lot of the aspects of the games writing... there are parts where you can argue that Ellie does kill in self-defense as to how all the factions present themselves therefore making her murders that more justifiable as well as making the cutscenes where she's traumatised from torturing Nora is valid but at the same time... Ellie is out for revenge... the game still forces you to kill no matter what with stealth or just going through them and the kills that Ellie does within the gameplay don't really associate well with Ellie torturing Nora because she was there... she's supposed to feel massive HATRED towards her considering that Nora pinpointed her with another guy that i forgot about.... compare this to her gameplay within the acts of her murders towards enemies... when she stealthed behind the girl that was playing Hotline Miami, Ellie hesitated whereas in gameplay she never hesitates during the gameplay and its probably because Neil assumed that his gameplay with how it connects to the cycle of violence... which with someone like Ellie would feel regret when killing/torturing someone via a cutscene... but that's basically it because only during cutscenes... does Ellie feel some type of way as opposed to the killings during gameplay... its like the gameplay/narrative doesn't know if Ellie is a sweet girl at heart that does violent things or is a complete violent person that is borderline sociopathic during gameplay... its like the gameplay is in some sort of a limbo state which creates disconnect as a character compared to how she feels about the atrocities during cutscenes

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

I think they implemented abby's story well. It wasn't right after she killed joel at all. It was after Ellie recklessly killed abby's entire family. Now whether someone would be emotionally attached to abby isn't something you can realistically hold against the game especially since the reason most people hate her is because she killed joel. In my experience, I thought joel was very well written in the first game. I didn't like the time skips but I bought the relationship he built up with ellie throughout the game. But when he massacred the entire hospital, that was pretty messed up. That to me is when the game solidified its theme that every character has their volition in the Last of us universe. I personally didn't care too much that joel died and I was also open to abby's story. By the end I can say I was invested in the character of abby and her story. It wasn't the best thing I've ever seen but I liked it. Now it is ridiculous that abby and her team traveled across the country based off a rumor so that is contrivance. But I thought it was completely justified how Joel, a man who went through so much to reconnect with his humanity, slipped up after letting his guard down. I think the death was written perfectly fine. Now on calling it "unfair" I think is pretty weak considering a lot of people die in the last of us universe. The anger of his death is clearly based off the fact that people just really like joel. Unfairness isn't a real problem that a story can have.

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

the way that i would fix the end part (DISCLAIMER: and im only talking about the end part as if it's just its standalone thing and what happened before in the story that would contradict to what im trying to say then just imagine how the 'before is irrelevant or at least come uo with your interpretation as im going to be progressing through this) of the 'why' she spared Abby... is 1st off remove all of her acting differently in cutscenes and be the same way she acts and feels in the gameplay during the cutscenes... in that way, when she abandons all of her promise to abella danger (i forgot her name) she then will know the risk of the payoff to be worth it in the end... let's skip to all the way when she's at the end, she recognises that all Abby wants is to leave with Eli or whatever his or her name is or was or were... Ellie at that moment will subtlety recognise the opposition of how she was to Abella Danger compared to Abby where all she wants is to leave and not fight and just be with Eli.... the fight would still go similarly especially the dialogue at the beginning... but difference is that when Ellie is on the 2nd boat... she glances at both Abby but primarily Eli but quickly remembers what Abby did to joel via the golfed up version of Joel flashback... all the things will go at a similar path of fighting... but swap one thing at the beginning of the fight which is not having Ellie put a knife to Eli's neck or throat... she just grabs Abbys hair and just go ravage mode (because of the traumatic joel flashback that she did have MASSIVE problems with her PTSD) on Abby so she can try to defend herself then Abby gets the upper hand and then a whole 1v1 starts... at the near end of the fight... Ellie will get a hold off Abby and do something to fck her up but that doesn't stop for Abby to not give out a very nasty eye poke but then Ellie slashes one of her eyes at the same time then Abby gets to the ground but still ready nonetheless until Ellie decides that this is going to work and now actually puts the knife to Eli's neck and then threatens to kill Abbys near son similar to how Joel was a parental figure to Ellie as well as killing the same way Abby killed Joel in concept... this would properly spread the message of the 'cycle of violence' and how depraved humans can get... its all poetic, symbolic but anyways, Abby says to Ellie that she's not sorry to what she did to Joel but she made a 'promise' to the sister of Eli and Eli himself that she would just move on and that Eli is what matters but Ellie goes on to calmy shout that Joel mattered to me and then goes to jump on Abby viciously and basically the same as in the actual game but instead of a joel flashback or even a flashback at all, all Ellie does is look at Eli's throat slit accidentally... fck me, i give up.

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 oh no... i actually thought that you were ok in the head... you actually said that 'I think the death was written perfectly fine' - 1st your hate with WoS and now THIS... what the f3ck... and why did you have to mention the cringey 'reconnect with his humanity' you're being like Debbie from Invincible now... he didn't just 'lEt hIs gUaRd DoWn' - the way it was written was like how they forgot everything that they've experienced... not to mention the fact that Joel SHOULD be MORE fixated on everyone that comes near or is a stranger because he never knows that it might be fireflies after him and primarily Ellie that he's worried about the most... that aspect is just completely gone and not to mention how the 'Hunters' from the 1st game constantly attack Jackson so why is tommy and joel that friendly when they themselves have histories of knowing how humans are like and how they know themselves to kill even it were a child or an innocent looking person because they definitely did that in the past

@joestevenson5568

8 ай бұрын

The other thing that RSG doesn't seem to consider when disregarding people's grievances is the production elements. he says people aren't allowed to dislike a story just because its not the story they wanted to be made. But when there is only enough money to go around to produce ONE of those stories? Then yes, the existence of the story you don't like has denied you the oppertunity to experience the story that you actually cared about. Thats a pefectly legitimate reason to dislike a piece of media.

This video is great, but I don't know when the sarcasm ends and starts 😂

Bro yapped for 30 straight minutes started off strong but lost me less then half way

Bro, you fell for young defiant. That guy's entire m.o. is to hate on everything popular for views. Often before it's even out. Man just farms hate views and makes himself out to be the most hateable person to keep engagement

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

yeah i definitely realized that looking at his channel. I more so used his video to segway to metacritic. I hope i didin't come off as taking him too seriously. I also think its funny that he called totk a masterpiece. His whole channel leading up to that. Thought it was pretty funny.

I feel like your issues with invincible stem from the fact that you analyze the dialogue and ignore the context. Her explaining humanity IS natural because Nolan isn't human he doesn't act human he doesn't understand enjoying the little things so it makes sense that she would explain it. The scene about mark being the best him he can be is supposed to parallel Nolan stating that mark would be just like him. Mark has been idolizing his father his entire life and this admittedly obvious and in your face contrast is only there so you can appreciate Debbie's compassion. I agree that on the surface its unnatural but you don't need characters to be cryptic or deliberately silent so the audience can theorize about its meaning. For the record I agree that rdr2 is far FAR better in terms of writing and subtlety and normally I would agree that subtlety is better than feeding the audience directly but in invincibles case I think it works. Great video I somewhat agree.

@lamegamertime

8 ай бұрын

Even though it makes sense to explain it, that doesn't mean her explanation sounds natural. It sounds like a speech, which wouldn't come up naturally because speeches require preparation. I haven't watched the show, so I'm just guessing, but I assume this dialogue was prompted by Omniman complaining or something. No way she had that rehearsed.

@MB-eh2kp

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@lamegamertimeit’s a show it isn’t real life, or should she just stumble on her words like every 5 seconds. I don’t even watch invincible but I think people need to realize that there’s a difference between fiction and real life.

@lamegamertime

7 ай бұрын

@@MB-eh2kp Stumbling over words doesn't make it natural dialogue.

This is the first channel I've found with legitimately intelligent criticism. I always found watching other videos essayists to be generic slop or gruel for my simple mind, but your channel genuinely helps me think and become a better writer so thank you, finally.

22:44 how more straight forward could this have been? “You’re not good but not bad either your path will be just fine”(we all know it’s not cuz he’s dying) then he says “I’m worried my path is coming to a end”😂😂 it definitely would have been way more impactful if he gave him a look of despair or sadness and said nothing. Right?

Also Peter talking to Ock was him pleading with him. Not just explaining how he feels to audience so the audience now knows how peter feels, how you protray it

I actually have to disagree with you saying the combat in Batman is bad because all you do is press triangle and square completely ignoring that you can practically go through Spider-man Ps4 by JUST PRESSING two buttons. This is like me saying the combat of the original God Of War Trilogy is bad because you can beat the game with just square,square,square and triangle which is just bullshit. The combat in Spider-man ps4, the Arkham games and GOW(OG) are bad and boring if you LET THEM BE. Also I actually really liked this video, good job👍

I strongly disagree about the scene with otto at the end being "oh he's explaining everything he feels such bad writing". The question with Otto is wether he had these thoughts through the whole game which is where alot of the fun in replying the game lies for me. Every time you go in his lad it's a different settings and there are plenty of intractable things in the lad to either foreshadow Otto's plan or humanise him sympathetic. The question for me is at what point does he snap. Theres a dozen different moments that could've started his plan it could've been Osborne taking his funding. It could be when lee gets arrested as he feels he needs to now break him out. It could even be when he first finds out peter is Spider-Man because he knows someone like him can do extraordinary things. Why can't he? That scene is also really good because he manages to not let on that he knew he was Spider-Man from the beginning while also not revealing his own secret of wanting to free the raft prisoners. Not trying to say your opinion is wrong but maybe your reading of the scene at the end was a little misguided considering Peter was so betrayed by his philosophy that he thought he was aligned with for years

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

I'm confused on what exactly you disagree with. My problem is that the delivery was super forced and unnaturally. Imo if dock ock is trying to manipulate peter, why would he even spell out his responsibility mindset? I am aware of the duality stuff and how peter never saw dock ock's bad side because of how naive he was. And I see how it pays off in the end. My problem is with how unnaturally the dialogue is written. It's too upfront with obvious meaning without any nuance or layers.

@omas1178

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 i disagreed that the scene has nothing to interpret from the doctors monologue as, yes he's trying to manipulate Peter, but we can still interpret: 1. How long he had this planned for, 2. How much influence the arms actually had over his evil plan, 3. If Otto really should've died despite Peter's stubborn no kill rule as killing him would be towards "the service of others", 4. What he could've meant by "your secrets safe with me". Could he have been threatening him, or is he gonna stay true to his word now the interface is disconnected. A character doesn't need to say nothing for their actions to be interpreted sometimes they can be straight up lying and we have to find the subtext ourselves.

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

@@omas1178 Well what you bring up doesn't really stem from that scene by itself. It's the whole ass game. My problem is that Otto's dialogue is not really layered at all. Maybe the "your secrets safe with me" line but that's it. And the fact that you think that I think it would be better for the characters to say nothing shows that you misinterpreted the video. I'm saying that the scene had weak dialuge

@omas1178

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 well the example you provided to compare Spider-Man wasn't a clip with exceptional dialogue but one with little to no dialogue which is why i found that to be your conclusion. A better example might've been something from Uncharted 4 where Sam and Sully are talking at the table.

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

@@omas1178 So you took the examples at face value on a video about subtlety?

19:56 Deadass had to do this to avoid copyright 🤣🤣 I feel your pain on that part.

Fantastic, I was not disappointed to any percent. I know such longer videos are extremely much work, for that I say "thank you". By the way, I love such long videos, I would enjoy it very much if a few more videos came in this length. I would even watch a one-hour video from you 💚

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

Im glad you enjoyed it. But yeah most of the time I should be able to go over a topic in like 5-10 minutes but if it needs to be long, its gonna be long. Thanks for watching

@christianhenry4173

8 ай бұрын

The game is overrated. Same with God of war 2018 except God of war 2018 does have better combat. Both games were boring. However God of war feels like a real exclusive. Marvels Spiderman PS4 didn't 😊

truly an argument of all time

Honestly I liked the game, but certainly not for the writing. I couldn't exactly tell you what I liked specifically either, except that it was a brain off relax and don't think too much kinda game for me, I never bothered to think too much about it because there isn't much to think about. I don't know why someone would take it so seriously. I'm actually pretty surprised to find out how weird the discourse around the game has been as I figured this would be the case for most people. Though maybe that was the case and it's just weirdo morons on the internet being stupidly loud. I will say though that I love games like red dead 2 and games with writing of a similar quality. And games like Outer Wilds that have a very unique approach. I think those games (whilst still having flaws) are just objectively better than these Spiderman games whether someone personally likes them or not. I can understand being passionate about those games because there is actually something to dive into and critique in depth. But I don't understand why some people seem so ready to defend something much less interesting or substantial so vehemently. Just because they personally liked it I guess. It's like being super into fast food and trying to defend it against actual good food. Like yeah, I like fast food sometimes. But that doesn't mean it's better than all other food. Just means sometimes I want something quick and thoughtless that is still passable, but that thing doesn't deserve these weird zealous fanatics that seem to flock to it. Honestly I just wish people would stop acting crazy and frothing at the mouth over their beloved fictional characters with seemingly no other reason than "I always liked the character, therefore shall continue liking the character. And any change to that character or their story outside of what I have come to expect is heresy!" If someone has an actual reason for being passionate about something then great, I love that shit. But it seems like a lot off people just like something for no more than "Looks cool" and "Nostalgia!". Which again is fine, I like that stuff sometimes too. But why act like it's the second coming of Christ?

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

I think some people have different tastes than others. And like I said they know themselves best. But I feel like when it comes to the more technical aspects of anything, people can come off stupid. I wouldn't say any one thing is objectively better than something else but there aspects that are objectively different. Some people might love spider man ps4's writing. In fact i think its clear that a lot of people do. But the problem is when they clearly don't know much about the technical aspects of writing and still expect to be taken seriously. I think seeking validation is a problem that most people don't get over. Even I found it annoying that some people misunderstood this video. I'm over it now but yeah. I think it comes down to people being insecure. Like how many videos on the internet exist praising spider man ps4? And people still get upset with me. Can't expect much from these dudes

@gecho8848

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 Well said. When I say I think those games are objectively better I mean in a technical sense, and specifically in regards to writing and immersion etc. I guess it just comes down to people thinking they know more than they do and therefore coming across arrogant. Which causes frustration in people that might be more knowledgeable. Which in turn could cause frustration in those less knowledgeable because they either feel dumb, or feel like they are being accused of being dumb. (Which maybe sometimes they are). Either way I think arrogance is probably the cause. Arrogance derived from a need to validate ones liking of a particular thing in the face of criticism. Cough cough, star wars... Anyway I think your video was great. And I could tell you weren't straight up telling people they were wrong for liking something. EDIT: Also to be clear I myself am not super knowledgeable about these things. But I also don't feel the need to justify my enjoyment of a game like spiderman. It just surprised me how many people would rather praise somethings flaws as strengths. Rather than accept the flaws and praise it's strengths.

The Arkham games definitely had more depth to the combat, though, as every gadget was mapped to the buttons so you could combo everything seamlessly. Spiderman has a shitty weapon wheel that breaks gameflow and makes me just use the base webshooters all the time. I still love both games, but I do think Arkham Knight was a better game than Spiderman PS4 even though I prefer Spiderman to Batman. The stealth in Spiderman is also worse than in Arkham. Although fuck all the batmobile shit.

While the part you play of otto's dialogue is on the nose for the audience, it's meant more to show how both Peter and otto thought they had the same ideas, but were couldn't see how different each other is. Otto is still trying to "teach" Peter what he's doing as he thinks that Peter is misinterpreting his actions, and that Peter still believes the same as otto. Peter is now realizing that otto had never had the same ideals as him, but just a twisted version, a version that Peter was too blind to see before. So, I've always interpreted it not as expositing their own beliefs, but as revealing what they thought of each other's beliefs. This is built up from earlier with what clues the game gives you about otto throughout the game, as well as conversations peter has thought the third act about whether or not otto can still be brought back to his side. These both collide in that end scene to create the question, "was otto ever on Peter's side to begin with?"

I thought I was actually crazy for not enjoying the story of spiderman ps4. I thought that peter felt so shallow compare to past interpretations. He rarely reacts to the things around him with anything other than crying and "oh well guess ill have to be spidah man". He never faces much anger, or complicated decisions. This bled into spiderman 2 where peter is yet again a perfect person. Then he gets the symbiote and proceeds to use the most comedic angry voice ever. None of it sounds like real dialogue, and nothing about the story feels well paced or planned. This whole series writing is one big fanfic and gush for spiderman. It's well-made from a technical perspective which is why I think it's found a strong following on top of what you mentioned. I think you hit the nail on the head. TL;DR shit's corny

ABC ass game 💀💀🤣

Voiceover on this is god tier your delivery is amazing You can really hear all of the passion and frustration

You’re absolutely right that most people don’t understand good writing and what it takes to accomplish it. However, you are absolutely a part of said crowd if you think that there’s any way that killing Miles could be executed in a meaningful way. We spent a *shortened* game with Miles learning what it takes to be Spider-Man and potentially sacrificing himself just to earn that title. Killing Miles at the beginning of his journey after he JUST got a character-defining story arc would be bad writing. Part of good writing is understanding your demographic, and your IP in this case as this is an established character. Killing Miles (a protagonist) does nothing for his character and only serves two functions: to remind the audience of the mortality we ALL have and to be an emotional beat for Peter. For the demographic that a typical Spider-Man story is aimed at, you do not kill a protagonist to remind people of mortality. Furthermore, you do NOT turn an established protagonist into a plot device to develop the other protagonist at the cost of their value as an individual character. There’s more nuance to how to properly explain this, but this comment is long enough as is.

In defense of the spider cop line read, it could be to help hard of hearing people by making sure each line is separate, since Spiderman PS4 did try to be really accessible. Though I do agree it is most likely just badly done.

22:07 funny coming from a guy who took the scene with Peter and Otto face value. Otto was trying to manipulate Peter, get to his soft side, he was trying to save himself in that moment. So you’d rather Peter grab the anti serum and walk away without saying anything to his mentor he’s had for many years? Subtlety can be good but in this instance it doesn’t make any sense (Otto is gunna do anything to save his own skin) you expect him to be quiet?

Man this guy must be genius writer with all these tip’s he’s giving out. Can’t wait to see your screenplay!

@callmepsycho3132

8 ай бұрын

This is an extreme level of cope

Is that red dead clip with Arthur from my channel??😂 good video though man your writing segment was perfect !

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

I honestly don't know. But I'm glad you enjoyed the video bro

I don't understand why people think it's always better if characters survive, it's so boring. A film I think could possibly benefit from having one of the characters die, is Nimona. Spoilers for if you haven't seen it. I think if Nimona died in that film, it would've created this crushing story about how sometimes after constant hardship, and trying your best, you don't get the happy ending you're looking for. Now, do I think the movie is terrible for keeping her alive, well, no, I was pleased, I loved her character, and I do still like the idea of her actually getting that happy ending, but I felt the other option would've resulted in a much more interesting and unique ending

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

I remember a video named "ATSPV" if it had a BAD ending. And it was basically miles dying after he gets hit on the punching bag. Now I'm not saying that would've been good but when I watched the video I found myself reflecting on mile's journey under a new light. And thats something I haven't felt with the spiderverse universe because they don't really feel like they have stakes. But yeah I think people should spend less time being mad about characters dying and more time thinking about what they're journey meant.

@Titanxzero1

8 ай бұрын

For me, if you're not going to kill a character off, don't do it.

@odg1190

8 ай бұрын

Killing super heros off is boring. They do it a million times that it's a cliche. That's why comic fans don't really enjoy it anymore. I agree with them that I'd rather see them use a character more than have them die in a generic way to save people that's been done over and over. If Miles died because he was fighting peter with the symbiote in his system and it caused him to discard it that could be cool I guess, but it'd be something you can see from a million miles away.

@DanielLovesArt

8 ай бұрын

@@odg1190 man, that's so crazy, do you know what they do seven million fucking times more than killing off the hero? LETTING THEM SURVIVE SHIT THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE! Every. single. fucking. movie. and. comic. THOSE BASTARDS NEVER DIE, AND THE VILLAINS DO! It's so awful! I want characters to die at appropriate times in appropriate ways so that the character there were around them can feel the negative impact of their death. I want them to die, so that their story means more than "good always succeeds" Ant-Man Quantumania would've been a far better movie if Scott stayed back to prevent Kang from escaping, and died in doing so.

Great video, we will watch your career with great interest.

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

thank you brother

You made a lot of fair points, but I found the first SM's story super memorable. The ends of both the A and B plots with Doc and May killed me, even if they weren't super subtle (and it's not very often that a piece of media has done that to me). I do feel that the power logic of Miles Morales felt kind of broken with the ending, and that it was bordering on being wokey, but overall I though it also was also an okay game.

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

Hey man I'm glad you enjoyed the game. And to be clear I'm not trying to explain spider man ps4 is objectively bad. I was just explaining how I personally felt about the game. Because like I said the objective is just progress. Thanks for watching bro

@naterpotater7739

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 I get ya. There is an objective plane to art, so I actually found a lot of your points helpful in examining narratives generally. It's good to be a picky eater when it comes to stories, and to be able to tell steak dinners from junk food. And it was my pleasure to watch. Keep up the good work 👏

Nah tlou2 was literally just illogical, which is a common complaint I saw. It’s like, the entire game builds up to a confrontation, to the point of starting it all off with Joel’s death, something that needed to happen but the way it did happen was entirely contrived because “the plot needs him to die” and ends with Ellie just inexplicably not killing Abby because…. ????? To this day I literally don’t know what the hamfisted reason was, now that could be because I’m a little goober but still, the entire payoff of your game shouldn’t be explicitly against everything leading up to it Ok, moments after seeing this I can KINDA see what they were trying to do, Abby got her revenge and paid a price for it, but never truly faces any direct repercussion for what she’s done. While Ellie never fulfills her revenge and loses everything trying to get it. That would be pretty powerful, if she didn’t directly have the chance to take her revenge, at a point where she literally has nothing left to lose and everything to gain, she just chooses to waste the sacrifice of everything and everyone that got her to that point and abandoned it, which directly goes against everything the game leads and builds up to, and just ends up dissatisfying instead of the epic cool moral symbolism they wanted to be

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

I think ellie realizes that she's devolved into nothing and thats why she chooses to spare abby. Keep in mind that abby has a kid with her so Ellie wouldn't have done it for nothing. The ending of the game is supposed to be ellie trying to live the life that joel would've wanted for her.

@jackofastora8962

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 true true, but her -from how I saw it- not caring about her warpath up to that moment felt a bit like tonal whiplash, and I’d have to go back to see it again to say for certain; but if I recall correctly she already knew that her girlfriend would leave her for going after Abby again, though she couldn’t have known she’d lose her fingers, but it stands to say -if I’m right- she’d already lost so much that it’d invoke the sunk-cost fallacy. Now; I can also see it through a “you need to let go and have nothing to really start over and heal” and while I don’t agree with that sentiment, I can see the ending a lot better, meaning wise, if that’s what they were trying to go for

@DBZFANX1000

8 ай бұрын

​​@@RSG200i mean sure would have helped if she found that before killing several people that were not abby to get to her thats why its sily by the time you reach abby ellie already murdered a bunch of people for less so yes at that point i wanna see abby die or else ellie is just a piece of crap. Also to have this random last minute switch feels dumb and unrealistic if ellie was good written she have that realization shit way before reaching abby. Also abby just bit her finger of is not sorry in the least why of all the people ellie killed just to get to abby some of who were innocent would she all of sudden care now about sparing her over everyone else she killed. Joel death was also just silly abby meets her by coincidence as joel saves her its not even like she found joel like a good revenge story would make it instead joel finds for plot covnenience follows abby to her place for some reason even tho joel people got robbed and raided all the time. Gives all the info away and then abby proceeds the beat to person to death that saved her life without questioning but the story tries to portray that she is in the right she doesn't have to apologize for anything she does nothing about her ever gets probably called out like with ellie.

@odg1190

8 ай бұрын

I felt like TLOU2 is like Spec Ops the Line except if Spec had some of the best 3rd person shooter gameplay made. You get so absorbed into the gameplay and combat loop and then the end tries to Ah-ha you and make you feel bad but TLOU2 doesn't do it proper. My friend who got heavily into the games before the show came out personally didn't give a fuck that he was killing Abby's people, and didn't give a fuck if Ellie or Abby died at the end, he felt the story was just actively giving you a middle finger for playing the game, and at that point what's the point of caring for the story when it feels like it hates you for having it unfold?

the Arkham slander is crazy

@Oldschool1943

3 ай бұрын

i mean he's not lying though

Dam would like to see this guys character study on sonic

As someone who really likes Spider-Man PS4 your critiques are always nice to hear regardless, I'm really hoping they improve the writing in the next game. Slight problem I have with your video production though is the audio is either incredibly quiet or significantly too loud. Made watching this video impossible when I had people sleeping in a neighboring room lol. Good stuff otherwise.

I was a bit dissapointed playing the game this year and being like "hey wait a second this isn't as cracked up as everyone made me feel it would be". Realted to the sublty is something I really dislike about the pacing where "something" will happen in a cutscene and then the next mission will be the payoff for that something. Where I feel that introducing the something 2 missions earlier would have made it feel better but maybe the writers are afraid we would forget about that thing if it was more then 20 minutes ago.

On your point of characters dying in stories I think an can be amazing and really impactful IF done properly. I truly feel like Joel’s death was just for shock factor. On the contrary I really like iron man’s death in endgame I felt is was well executed heartfelt scene.

I've sat here thinking about what I want to write/type here, but I honestly have nothing to say. I don't if I wanted to put something hateful or super defensive here, so I'll just say this: Great video and keep up the good work! Probably won't be back for another vid since I'm not a viewer of your channel at all. Anyway I'm just gonna move on with the rest of my day.

10:57 People are not angry that Joel died, they’re angry at how he died

What happened to RSG 1? 🤨

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

He lives in a different dimension

15:50 Yes if you can make an audience relate to a character and have that connection and that's what you are meaning to do that's good writing and difficult to do.

I enjoy that you're not afraid to pull punches with your critique, I feel that it makes your videos much more fun to engage with and it gives me more to think about

in my opinion red dead is the best story writing in gamin history its the only game to make me attach to all the characters and made me cry so many times red dead is so slept on wrighting

I dont think people relate to spiderman, I think people just love the idea of swinging through the city and doing acrobatics

daredevil doesn't get talked about enough. really enjoyable show fr

Spider-Man PS4 is very memorable for me. I would consider Insomniac's Spider-man to be the definitive version. When I think of who Spider-Man is. This is the adaptation I think of.

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

uhhhhhhhhh... play more previous Spider-Man games

@CoyDavis

8 ай бұрын

@@godzillazfriction what other games lmao💀

@CoyDavis

8 ай бұрын

@@godzillazfriction I’ve played every Spider-Man game lmao

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

@@CoyDavis ok name those you've played

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

and 'how' it is the 'definitive version'

Insomniac games WHAT ARE YOU THINKING

I will be honest Spider-Man ps4 is one of my all time favorite games i have played it to 100% on my last run of the game and i get it the writing code be better and the mj missions were god awful but i love it. anyway have a great day. ps sorry for the bad grammar and writing i have dyslexia so it is kinda hard anyway bye

Great video. Idk if it was just me, but the audio balancing was kinda off. Some of the clips volume is pretty low and then your voice comes in much louder.

Tbh I love the brain dead combat. If i want challenging/interesting combat I would not expect to find it in a super hero game, its all about the power trip to me. The story is freshmen year of college philopshy deep, with enough fan service to make even someone somewhat familar with the spider man stories groan. But I enjoy it for what it is, a fun romp through the Spider Man mythos. A legendary game it is not, a beloved game it is, imo.

@godzillazfriction

8 ай бұрын

you can find mechanically interesting as well as challenging 'super-hero' games that are power filled trips or. power fantasy like Spiderman Web of Shadows, Prototype etc.

@manbat4582

7 ай бұрын

power trip and braindead combat aren't mutually exclusive

as someone who loves the insomniac spiderman games, like spiderman 2 ps5 the community is just annoying, either you hate the game or like the game

“Why didn’t they make humans act like humans” there’s no way u unironically said this in relation to Omni- Man

Saying it's only been critisized fairly 3 times is wild. Whitelight's review on the game for example is immaculate. No fanboyish dickriding, no needless hating, just fairly assessing the game's mechanics and content from top to bottom. Talking about assessing mechanics. I made a critique of the parkour system and how it should be improved for the next game kzread.info/dash/bejne/mGlstM6DntmbabQ.html I'd say I was being pretty fair in that

@Mal-go5dl

8 ай бұрын

Gaming brit also made a couple good videos

@DestinySpider

8 ай бұрын

@@Mal-go5dl Yeah, GamingBrit's Spidey vids were both pretty short and didn't extensively cover the games wholesale, but he did do a good job covering some of the problems he had on a presentation and gameplay level iirc. Definitely a good watch

pointing out the lame story beat of being evicted had me rolling XD

This feels like Tobey fans complaining about MCU spider-man

Spider-Man 2s writing convinced me there's some kind of quota for these games to fill, the amount of just, insane twists that come out of nowhere and are talked about once before being totally forgotten kinda confused me, but it makes more sense if there's someone behind the scenes saying that something needs to be there

@jaxxpool9630

7 ай бұрын

Can I ask how exactly does Insomniac's Spider-Man have insane twists that come out of nowhere?

I really like Marvel’s Spider-Man. It was the first game I’ve ever platinumed. For me, when I like something I don’t have to think about it. It more comes down to how I feel about it. I felt happy and invested playing it. I played it first thing when it first came out and finished it in two days. There are also other personal connections that I have playing Marvel’s Spider-Man that I won’t get into. I can though understand that there are flaws but when I feel the way I do, it’s easy to overlook them. Nothing can be perfect and that feels okay to me. And I don’t bitter when others disagree. Opposing thoughts and feelings should be encouraged. And I will certainly hear them out. It probably will and has changed the way I think about it, but not the way I feel about it. And I feel that Marvel’s Spider-Man is a great game! But I also respect how you feel

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

It is all about how you feel, im glad you recognize that. But I also feel like if you're going to enter a discussion you should think about why you feel how you feel. Don't think I came to spider man gs4 with a checklist

@SAMMY-qz7zy

8 ай бұрын

​@@RSG200 What you said about thinking about why you feel a certain way in a discussion. You are very right about that. I just wanted to share how I enjoy my media. I didn't mean to start an argument. I tend to not engage too much in discussions like these. I do prefer to just listen to them. From all view points. Doing so has certainly changed my way of thinking, but so far it hasn't changed my feelings. It feels like my initial experience with the game can't be tinted. I want to finish off by saying that I do respect you and I do also enjoy your content!

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

@@SAMMY-qz7zy bro you make me feel bad. You guys take this too serious. Even on the more negative comments disrespect never crosses my mind. I'm not trying to offend anyone and I'm sure you're the same. I just respond to comments because I feel like it's the least I could do. Love you brother

@SAMMY-qz7zy

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 Hey, I'm sorry if I made it seem like you have disrespected me. It was never my intent to convey that. I don't take these things too seriously. I just thought I'd share what I thought about it. It's an open discussion and I don't feel like you have done anything wrong. All love here!

@bruhattherate

7 ай бұрын

​@@RSG200 You seem like a good dude man. Respect

Just subscribed after this masterpiece of a video good shit man⚠️

I think writing and dialogue are two different things, general dialogue can be cringe but the overarching story still has to be written, callbacks and foreshadows and all are writing, holy crap how was that not brought up in this video man holy crap man

A video about writing in video games proceeds to be poorly written and grandstanding

Young defiant (2:21) is just a troll/rage bait/satire (can't decide) channel I'm 95% sure. His other videos are also trashing on other games or shows.

You gotta read the invincible comic. None of that shitty ass long ass dialogue that’s tryna be deep buts actually basic

5:06 I’m actually physically tearing up, that was so unexpected 😭💀😭

Can u talk about the blade runner 2049 which the Ryan Gosling is the mc?

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

Like a movie deep dive? It would be something different for sure.

@SalmonBucket

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200 movie deep dive would be good👍, or about why the "literally me" fanbase like ryan gosling in blade runner a lot

“Let’s put invincible on the left and if you can’t tell me the difference in the story then the opinion shouldn’t be taken seriously” I haven’t seen invincible, this is weak writing, how can I have a character arc if I have no emotional investment to grow as a person? Is the difference that one’s a western and the other isn’t? Is red dead 2 really just western gta?

Honestly, when i look at game, I see solid experience. It’s not great, playing it really safe because it’s first in the line,but polished and solid game. Now for a second game I am hoping it will be more bold, trying to add up on the good basestone. I really enjoyed this video. Keep this up.

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

I agree. I have a really good feeling about the second game too. I should've said in the video that my biggest problem with spider man ps4's story is that its boring and generic. Obviously would love better writing but what they really need is a crazy ass story. Bold as you said. I'm actually frickin hyped thinking about spider man 2

18:35 I thought about it, but I came out blank. I can't tell you the difference in writing between those games. (I didn't get to play any of them, I only have a 10 year old laptop as my rig. The most demanding game it can play is the Skyrim LE.)

16:34 is where you kinda messed up. Character development doesn't always equate to bad or mid writing. This peter has been Spider-man for 7 years and for him to learn lessons that he should've learned from Uncle Ben, Captain Stacy and Gwen would make the game ignore everything that happened in his history. You're looking at the game from the perspective thats we started where peter started and thats just wrong. We started in the middle of peters timeline and we're past most of his main stages of development. When you think of the comics Spider-man most of his development comes from the early mistakes me makes. A seasoned Spider-man like Insomniacs Peter doesn't think about not being Spider-man just because he lost alot more than he gained because he's already been through it. It's rare to get media that shows an older Peter and adapts his character correctly. Insomniac said themselves they wanted to make a different experience of Spider-man. The game focuses more on character interactions and relationships than anything. And you saying Miles Morales and 2018 have the same writing quality kinda shows you don't know what you're talking about. Miles' story is about growing out of Peters shadow and discovering his own identity. The games tackle different themes which doesn't really make them completely comparable. And it also takes a true liking of something to fully understand the writing of it because if you couldn't care less then you don't take the time to truly dissect the story and it doesn't really commit to memory. You're perspective is respectable and I agree with some points but others are points made from a lack of interest.

@j413n_4

8 ай бұрын

the subtlety thing is also something change for the audience imo. Spider-Man is a game rated T and as a teenager myself I can say most teenagers are looking for a fun time rather than a captivating story so for the story to be captivating it has to be in your face. RDR2 is rated M and adults are more likely to want a story that captivates them over a game that fun.

I got 20 minutes into the video. First I say cudos. Well made video and you back up your opinions, well done. But I disagree with those opinions, I was in agreement until you started talking about the doc ock fight. I understand that you're grading the quality based on the show don't tell rule which is fair. But I feel as if you missed the point of the two dialogues you mentioned (I stopped at 19:43) your a lot more justified on the "this means too much for me" but you leave out Peter's response "not as much as it means to me" now is this revealing their motives by spelling it out therefore breaking the show don't tell rule? Yes. Would it be better with them silently fighting? No absolutely not. I find that dialogue to work because this is an important reveal in the story which is so unmemorable according to a fair few where Ock reveals he's known all along that he's Peter which puts a twist on the whole story. The following dialogue is just that but amplified, we already know what this means to them, it's just a cool scream at the villain in the climax moment which I think is perfectly fine especially when this is coming from one of the most popular comic book characters, a format which shows and tells almost equally. Then with the second thing when he's talking about those beneath them it's just a display of how he's a character foil to Peter. Again, does it break the rules of show don't tell? Yes, but would it have been better without it? Again I don't think so, just him doing the thing and leaving would've been super anticlimactic and also this is a very manipulative character which if you do pay attention to the showing insomniac does rather than telling, he was never on Peter's side to begin with and I'm talking further than the reveal. You can see him plotting to break out the raft immediately after Norman shuts his lab down which is before the supposed "arms make you evil" bit plays in, showing that he was always a villain even before the octopus. But yeah, your opinion is subjective, my opinion is subjective. We're both right through our own perspectives. I don't think I'd ever call Spider-Man's writing master class but I definitely would call it condensed and complete. A story worth telling, praiseworthy or not.

Played it recently because it wouldnt stop appearing in all my timelines. It was a solid 5/10. The web swinging, the trinket collecting and otto were great. The rest was all super underwhelming especially the bossfights and the combat

2:23 Young Defiant is a satire account btw. Love his content tbh.

I thought spiderman 2018 was amazing when it came out. I still think so. It doesnt need some super duper writing and honestly barely any games actually have great writing. Not even rdr2 has great writing. Its random event after random event and youre along for the ride. Thats just gaming. God of war 2018 is probably 1 of the only games with actually goated intentional writing

Who would win uncle Grandpa or batmite+Mr mxyzptlk

19:55 i mean, Nolan is an actual alien who’s never really been a father before. It makes sense that this conversation would happen. How it happens this late in marks life? idk

Longer videos are great!! Just found you and you make me LOL irl

@aaron6290

8 ай бұрын

LOL as in laughing at loud )

I genuinely can’t tell if ur a real spiderman fan or being satire

@xelts3185

8 ай бұрын

There was a error in my ways

I'm not sure you have a complete understanding of quote-on-quote good writing? Also, while portions of your video are obviously sarcastic, it seems like you still use the emotional sway of these sarcastic portions to bolster the more "logical" portions. I.e., you likely convince people that your perspective is reasonable, but with only half the evidence that would ordinarily be provided. For the record I haven't seen a video by you before, never played spider man, and don't play video games. I don't read books and don't watch TV shows. I make assumptions. Your video gets a cautious thumbs up from me as it was funny and informative.

Love your videos man. Got me cracking up 😂

Id give Spider-Man PS4 a 7.5/10 its definitely some good fun and a great game, but it definitely has flaws as all things do, its gameplay get pretty repetitive after awhile in my opinion and the swinging is definitely too slow, other than that tho, the story is excellent and i loved damn near every second. But these critics are delicious

@Ninjaguy3128

8 ай бұрын

Except…the swinging shouldn’t be slow. The more air tricks you pull off while you swing, you gain speed. Not to mention, you can also Web-Zip and Pin-Point Launch as well, which helps you gain speed. In no way should it feel slow. If you want to see slow swinging, look at Marvel’s Avengers. Everything else I can agree on the combat, though, but I still find that fun personally.

@Midnight_Wesker

8 ай бұрын

@@Ninjaguy3128 Yes the swinging shouldn't be slow, but it is, the devs said them selfs that the swinging speed was greatly reduced because the PS4 couldn't handle that and the whole rest of the game, just look at the SM2 trailer and look how fast they move.

Generally well articulated video. There is very clearly a difference between stuff like RDR2 or GoW and the, well, comic book writing of MSM and SM:MM. Personally, I like both styles of writing, so it doesn't really bother me. I cried and cheered while playing them all and have played them all several times. Maybe even to an unhealthy degree. I would agree, that the people judging a potential story progression before actually seeing it play out just because they want to see a certain character do more stuff, show a lack of concern for storytelling, even if I get where they're coming from. When there are so many things that you want an adaptation of a character to do, it's difficult to let that character go before they've done all those things. I went through something similar with the CW's The Flash. But it's like the saying goes. A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts. However you made me watch a clip of that dumbass troll young defiant. For that reason alone I sadly gotta give a dislike, cause I'm pretty sure that clip took like 5 years of my life and killed some of my brain cells. It's nothing personal, I just need to uphold my principles.

Joe West power scaling video when?

@RSG200

8 ай бұрын

dude i don't know if this is some joke but the only thing that comes up when I look up "joe nuts" is the guy from the flash.

@Lampem

8 ай бұрын

@@RSG200He literally solos 92% of fiction

Imo the "ABC ass gameplay" argument is not really good because not everyone likes thinking too much while playing videogames, a lot of times it's better to just relax and have fun.

I still don't understand why people use "it feels like a ubisoft game" as an insult to other games. Pretty sure botw has some systems that were taken from ubisoft open world games. Ubisoft is not a bad developer, they just do a bit too much because of how many employees they have and when you have a lot of projects you will ultimately have a lot of mid games.

You're not supposed to relate To Omni mad dude Lmao he's an alien warrior. How is it unnatural for his wife to Try to "humanize" him lol You're bugging this whole video imo, Dont agree with alot Of These points

What are you DOING

i dont really get it. I see a lot of critic on almost every video game I have played, and so far they have been very few video games I have actually disliked. it is almost like some people hate on every video game, not saying you're like that, but I just find it very weird. Look how far gaming has come from the ps2 (when I started), but still people will hate every new video game with their guts. (BTW this is in my top 10 games of all time)

Ive watched some of ur spider-man videos and I kinda wish you would go in depth and explain what youre talking about. While i agree that ps4 isnt perfect by enemy means and has some dumb stuff in it I still think its pretty good> the one thing that confuses me though is that you tear it down and then prop up other pieces of media that have made the same mistakes or even worse ones. Red Dead Redemption 2 is good but it suffers from slow gameplay thats repetitive despite the love and detail put into it, and while the character writing is good the story itself is repetitive and each chapter feels like it has nothing to do with the characters journey (up until the later chapters. Last of Us 2: has the same issues as RDR2 and even worse it has the same issue that u talked about before in spidey ps4, about how the story rides a line of trying to be goofy vs trying to be realistic. Theres more like that in TLOU2 but theyre unintentional, moments like Dina falling through a roof to try to save ellie while the guy WITH THE GUN puts it away and instead of killing them both he goes to choke out dina, or having a pregnant woman go out to fight. It's the same thing. The Boys: I think this is somehow the worst example you gave. You said that ps4 has lazy themes that are out on display and yet the boys is the best example of the exact same thing, it has the most edgy in ur face writing with moments that are just there for shock that have nothing to do with the actual story. I honestly cant even tell if its intentional since the og comic is a parody on super heroes in general. Like homelander drinking breast milk, mini guys hopping into a girls privates, a girl sitting on a dudes face until it explodes etc. I just dont get where u think the gold really is with this example. Lastly I dont really understand how you think opinions or reviews are objective. The entire point of most reviews is usually to try to give the viewer pause and help them understand why they may or may not like something, or to even help them notice the good or the bad in something they may or may not have liked. this is even reflected in ur own comments. I dont know though maybe this video is just you trolling and i wrote this essay for nuthin, but either way i'd like to see a legitimate story review. someday

"Spider man ps4 hate circle (worst critics ever)" Ironic to put that honestly