Some corrections or clarifications from somebody who shopped both of these. The XModes do a LOT more than keeping your CVT in a suitable range. And keep in mind that the differentials used with THIS Outback use lower final gearing for more torque over all the other Outbacks. Xmode has to do with torque vectoring, and the different modes make the torque vectoring work with different parameters depending on what you want, which is environmental, i.e. are you looking for limited wheel spin for the gravel grade, or a more free-wheeling torque balancing for deep snow or mud. Just one example. Also keep in mind that the Bronco ALSO uses torque vectoring which arguably is less seasoned than the Subaru and that MOST of the Bronco sports do NOT have a SIMULATED locker. Only the more expensive Badlands models. And it's not really a locker, it is a clutch for each wheel that are independantly controlled based on the torque vectoring mode, which in Ford is called G.O.A.T. instead of Xmode (Subaru) So unless you get the more expensive top of the line Badlands trim you are getting no simulated lockers, you are getting torque vectoring, just like the Subaru.. Also , the Outback DOES come with Navigation, and given that the one you were driving had a moon roof, it should have been included with that package. This is for the American Market, not sure if you guys are Canadian(checked and YES you are) . But if so, at least you got heated steering. We Yanks did not.One of my pet peeves about Subaru is them playing at rejecting options that exist. For instance you can not get high end sound in ANY sport model of Outback Forester or Crosstrek. Apparently people that like to camp do not like Music. Moving on, you mentioned the Subaru had more cargo space. It can also hold more weight, and has 1300 lbs. more tow capacity at 3500lbs than the Bronco at only 2200lbs which is almost not worth a hitch. I would agree that the Badlands version may have a slight edge because of simulated lockers, although I have not yet seen the test where it could go where the Subaru could NOT, but on paper, this is a slight advantage. It is notable however, as I mentioned before, that 90% of the Bronco Sports on the road DO NOT HAVE LOCKERS, whereas 100% of the Wilderness Subarus have a very effective torque vectoring system that is quite effective and evolved. The Subaru can tow MUCH better so it is much better for trekkers who tow.. The Subaru has better ground clearance by a wide margin of all the models except the Badlands which is only .2" better. The Subaru has a low final gearing by virtue of using the differentials and CVT of it's bigger and heavier cousin the Ascent which is heavier and has larger tires. There is probably more but I feel that when shopping between the two, these are important considerations, most notably the ability to haul more weight and or tow more weight for those that want to do some trekking with a lot of gear. I opted for the Subaru although I really like the Sport. I was actually looking at the BIG non sport Bronco as well, which actually has the same tow rating as the Subaru Wilderness btw. Now that is a beast. But it eats the gas and wouldn't be as efficient for commuting. I am waiting for my Subaru. They said it's due any day. :)

@jayczyzyk9707

2 жыл бұрын

Nit enough description

@schmaleanator

2 жыл бұрын

I really liked your description of the Subaru Wilderness. You really did your research. I have a Badlands sport so I will admit my bias and why I went with the bronco and not the wilderness. I fully admit that the Subaru is a better vehicle in almost every way (if you keep out personal preference) until you do get to off road with the Badlands model specifically. If you're torn between the Subaru and a Bronco sport but you're not getting a badlands, get the Subaru. If you are getting the Badlands and you're thinking you may need the extra capability to get to that nice lake campground, get the Subaru instead. However... If you actually NEED (I stress this alot) the better off-roader and that sits higher on your priority list than the cargo space and passenger room, GET THE BADLANDS BRONCO. Seeing the test and where they went with the cars does not even come close to either cars capability, but the Subaru is nowhere close to 9/10ths as good off-road as the bronco. The test mentioned lots of off-road stuff the Subaru had without mentioning that the bronco had the same/ better equipment. They mention higher ground clearance on the Subaru. Yes, by 0.4 inches with a longer body. They mentioned skid plates on the Subaru without mentioning that the badlands also does too. They mentioned the catches for the roof tent. Same tents will fit the Bronco. The test talks about the hidden tow hooks. The bronco has much more substantial hooks in front as well. They mentioned the All Terrain tires on the Subaru without mentioning the same for the Bronco. Just things I noticed in the review that hopefully consumers will catch if they are looking at both. The Subaru does get lots of props for the better towing. I don't tow with my bronco, but if I did... 2200 lbs isnt alot. It really bothers me when testers call the differential in the rear a locking diff. Its incorrect but, please trust me on this, it works very well. A CVT is not ideal for off road. Subaru did a very good job with making theirs work very well in difficult situations, but its not for sustained, heavy trail use. You will hurt your car. The system in the Subaru is also very RE-active where the Bronco is very PRO-acative. The system in the Subaru doesn't start moving power around (using the brakes) until wheels start to spin. The Bronco (using the G.O.A.T modes) can send power direcltly and SIMULATE a locked differential to keep all tires spinning before you're in danger of getting stuck. If you don't know what I mean or haven't had this happen, buy a Subaru. Sorry for the rant. I feel like reviews are leading consumers to false conclusions. Don't advise people on the levels of off-road capability either one of these vehicles are capable of by driving them through a puddle on a nice dirt road. Both are fantastic and capable of a lot more. I picked the Bronco because of its potential. The cargo platform is on top already and the HRG lift gets installed Feb 15th. If you want help deciding on a vehicle you're going to buy with your money, please seek someone you can trust and has (or understands) a lifestyle similar to yours. Glad to see this category of capable crossovers is this good and this competitive. Can't wait to see what's next.

@sliqindustries4782

2 жыл бұрын

You did a way better job than the channel lol, plus you can get a real torque locker for the subi for around 800$ not sure if you can for the ford. I’m picking up my wilderness this Wednesday, don’t forget you also get subi love lol that won’t happen in the ford

@abram730

2 жыл бұрын

I was number 21. You only getting 20 ups is why we humans are in trouble.

@siebitup

2 жыл бұрын

No way in hell (ha) the outback wilderness could do this trail with the crappy approach/departure angles. kzread.info/dash/bejne/d61806psgqjNgZc.html That said, for less intense incline/decline desert running the wilderness would be awesome. Plus the extra space (length) in rear hatch area is so good.

I drive a base outback as my daily work vehicle, I’ve had it for a year and I put ~2000 miles a week on it. The driver assist (eyesight) features are truly excellent, and the touch screen interface is still very annoying even when you figure out where all the controls are.

Subaru all the way for our family. Thanks for the comparison 😊

I have a soft spot for both vehicles. The Subie having more room and cargo space is appealing, however having actual locking diffs in the Bronco and the retro look sell me on the Bronco. They are both excellent vehicles, I wish I could get my wife in a Subie Wilderness, and I had the Bronco Sport, we would have the best of both worlds!

My work vehicle is a 'standard' 2022 Outback. I love everything about it EXCEPT the center cluster. I honestly feel that it is less safe than any other vehicle I have been in. The lack of tactile controls means I have to take my eyes off the road to adjust almost anything. Normally you can wait for a stop light to do this, but on highway trips, that isn't an option. I also don't like the amount of glare that the screen gives, or the visual distortions when using polarized sunglasses. I know I am not alone in this, and I also know that some people like the 'tech' of the screen based system. I wish Subaru made an option to have either a screen, nro a more traditional cluster.

@stevedickerson5447

Жыл бұрын

My OBW 2022 has voice commands for things like "make it cooler" or "make it warmer" Keeps you eyes on the road. Doesn't the standard OB have that feature?

Excited about my wilderness. Getting it soon

@kylehughes8814

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Should be receiving mine first week of February

@kingofall9262

2 жыл бұрын

@@kylehughes8814 congrats, haven’t been this excited about a car in a while lol

@willtraveltofish

2 жыл бұрын

You’re gonna love it!!!

@Databyter

2 жыл бұрын

I just got mine last Tuesday night!

@terrence4933

Жыл бұрын

@@kingofall9262 I just ordered an OBW last week. Jumping out electric and back into petro!

7:20, isnt the central unit of the outback a electro magnetic clutch pack able to tightly hold front and rear together??

The Subi's overly complex and overwhelming touchscreen is a deal breaker. It frustratingly forces the driver to take his eyes off the road for at least a millennium, just to find the seat warmer and then find what level he wants it. Then he must focus his eyes and spend another dangerously amount of time searching to find the audio section for the station he wants or the 'seek' icon. This all happens while running three STOP signs, a red light, and a crash or two. RIDICULOUS. That touch screen belongs on a Star Fleet ship, not a car. Everyone's not a member of the Geek Squad. Simplicity in operations should the RULE of Thumb!

Is there an appetite for Canadian Outback in the US?

I would have preferred to have seen video examples on your contrasting points. It was presented in a bias format. Please backup your claims with actual examples.

@Databyter

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I know that on paper and in experience having a locker, or even a simulated locker is an advantage.. But both of these vehicles are independant suspension torque vectoring vehicles and I have yet to see the review where a Sport goes up something a Wilderness could not also defeat. I'm sure for some situations like loosely packed soft dry dirt having the simulated locker will make it a lot easier. But Subarus can usually figure those situations out. And keep in mind also that only the TOP TRIM BADLANDS even has the ground clearance and locker that compete with Subaru. The rest of the models sit significantly lower and have no locker, simulated or not, and this is 90% of the sports you see on the road. So when I get mine (Subaru) I won't hesitate to follow a Sport up any hill. More than likely, it will be trying to follow me. Also planning on putting in an auto locker which are very effective if somewhat a pita. Databyter

I've seen the Outback wilderness being compared with the Bronco Sport, Bronco, Hyundai Santafe, Toyota 4Runner and Rav4, Honda Passport, Ford Maverick, Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk....

Subaru is the king of offroading. Dont play with them its no joke

I don't like ford but at the initial price I considered a bronco. As prices sky rocketed by greedy dealers I ended up with a Japan Made Subaru Forester Wilderness at $35,350 out the door this past January before interest rates climbed. I'm happy with my choice and although I'm not a ford fan I may have been content with having paid much less (closer to mid 20s) when bronco first came out. All in all, I'm happy with my Forester Wilderness.

the tie downs on the roof have nothing to do a with having a tent up there lol

One could buy a Toyota 4Runner TRD Off Road for the same price of the Bronco Sport Badlands and the 4runner would smoke the Bronco in every category

Prefer Outback also because it has stick gearshift, and not shifter dial.

@scottw2157

2 жыл бұрын

You have a dial to put in gear yes, but when you put the Badlands in M you use paddle shifters.

Sti engine needed in the the subie

Me wondering how many extras you had added to the badlands? In my area in southern California, the Badlands with premium trim is $36,500 including destination and the Outback wilderness with basic trim is at $50,000. I like Subaru, but with the dealers marking up like crazy, it is Bronco for me! But nice review all the same!

@JoeKington

2 жыл бұрын

FWIW pricing is different for both in Canada (not just due to exchange rate), which is what they're looking at here. They're much closer in price in Canada from what I understand. (I agree, though. I bought a bronco sport over the outback wilderness for many reasons, but price was a big one.)

@muchidromedary.7368

2 жыл бұрын

Subaru dealers are not allowed, by Subaru, to go above the MSRP. If that’s what you local dealer is charging I would contact Subaru. Fully loaded mine was $42,000 in WI.

To bad there is hold on all 2023 Subys, just cancelled my order.

Which has better reliability?

@Durian5413

2 жыл бұрын

better build for wilderness. also the one come with navigation and starlink msrp is right around 40000 for outback.

The bronco has no lockers. its clutch based stop calling it a locker

@siebitup

2 жыл бұрын

Such a shame, I was hoping for a true locker to compete with the Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk.

@Sethgolas

Жыл бұрын

@@siebitup The clutches are still capable of holding the back axle and it is very competitive with the trail hawk.

@off-roadingexplained8417

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@Sethgolas I won't disagree with you about the back axle. A locking rear or even a pseudo locking rear is a fantastic improvement. They are missing one major thing with competing against the Cherokee Trailhawk... Because the Cherokee Trailhawk has a low range and probably 2-3 times the wheel torque if you do the math. Take the craw ratio of the Subaru and multiply it by the peak engine torque... That's basically the amount of torque that's going to your wheels... Now take the peak engine torque of the Cherokee Trailhawk and multiply it by the crawl ratio... If both engines had the same torque the Cherokee Trailhawk has at least double the crawl ratio and will turn the wheels twice as hard in 4wd low. It will also be able to move twice as slow. All of that said this Subaru is a super capable vehicle and would probably beat a compass Trailhawk in scenarios where the approach departure and breaker angles don't matter as much. So I would say the Subaru would probably do better in mud or something like that.

@off-roadingexplained8417

Жыл бұрын

​@@Sethgolas if it had a low range and better angles , yes it would be a contender .

@michaelfrohn255

Жыл бұрын

It does have a locker, a Ford design that came out in 2004. The difference is it’s not electronic or air powered, the latter is because I drive semi. It has a locking differential based on wheel spin , same as the 04+ F-150 . Clutches engage during wheel spin. I’ve owned both, my bronco sport badlands goes through more than my 2013 silverado could ever dream of

Unless you do rock crawling that requires the best approach and departure angles, both stock, the Wilderness will reach the same places than your Bronco Sport Badland (top trim btw, all other non-Badland will not succeed), but with more cargo, less fuel usage and a nicer car to look at ;-)

i just need a excellent map and some company needs to make a built in car phone.

Just saw this vid - my 2 cents - having owned a 2012 Ford Focus - my money is on the Outback - Ford quality sux ass - ps I’m buying a 23 Onyx Xt in blue, the car is on order - sorry America u charge to too much 4 junk!

Which transmission is reliable of these two..overall long term reliability?

@teabag3854

2 жыл бұрын

Which vehicle will last longer....? Subaru.

@Databyter

2 жыл бұрын

The one that is least abused. I don't think either of these transmissions will be the first thing that goes wrong and I will give reliability to Subaru. The CVT's of past generations have had problems with softroading. They aren't geared right, are sometimes combined with underpowered motors (first gen Crosstrek), they can get hot. But the Wilderness is using the tougher CVT from it's big cousin the Ascent. It is heavy duty compared to some of the others, and in the Wilderness includes an oil cooler to help with cooling. Combined with the lower gearing it should be up to the task of softroading, and overkill for the road. It says a lot that it has a tow rating of 3500 lbs compared to 2000 lbs for the Sport. Databyter

@chocolatewheelchair

2 жыл бұрын

@@teabag3854 the ford will last longer. You wanna know why? Because based on their history their heavy load trucks do like a million miles and so do those old cop cars. Can Subaru say their cars get abused at that level? Definitely not.

@teabag3854

2 жыл бұрын

@@chocolatewheelchair Ford. Drives thru lava and won't lose the tires..Ford. Ford. What hurricane...Ford. Ford. Can go faster than a passenger jet...Ford.

@D3sertGh0st

2 жыл бұрын

@@teabag3854 I mean when a 95 F150 is still making rounds up here in fairbanks AK it says something about the company. Worst fords was 2004/2005 but excluding those they were always reliable. See more subarus in the dumps than fords i can tell you that much

Off road is through a puddle?

@checor

Жыл бұрын

I don't know about Canada, but in Mexico City most people who has an off road vehicle that's the most they will get off road.

Bronco Sport already has soooo many recalls. :/

@mecanique-electriquedepart1488

4 ай бұрын

Not the Badlands trim

I've always thought of Subaru as the Japanese Saab, quirky and baffling sprinkle with occasional brilliance Gundam Hathaway Main Theme Guitar MV (Senkou) kzread.info/dash/bejne/lZNlmrWedMLZiaw.html Cowboy Bebop Ending Theme guitar kzread.info/dash/bejne/mGqBj9GQo7WrabQ.html

My Bronco Sport Badlands pulled two vehicles out of snowbanks going over mountain passes this past winter. One was a loaded Outback touring model. I carry a 30 ft tow strap... You Subaru owners can have your cvt transmissions. And remember, out of the four major JAPANESE car brands, Subaru is number four for reliability.

@quantumdecoherence1289

2 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile, Ford is at the bottom of the heap. You can keep your shit reliability

@scottw2157

2 жыл бұрын

@@quantumdecoherence1289 But yet they still sell more trucks then everyone else. BTW I currently own a 2022 Badlands (traded in a Jeep) A 2008 Mazda CX-9 and a 1999 Ford F350 super duty diesel.

@Databyter

2 жыл бұрын

They are both great cars. I'm sure some Subarus have pulled some non Badlands Sports out of banks as well. A lot is clearance and tires. The Wilderness in this Video has much better clearance and tires than a "loaded Outback Touring" model, and probably as good or better than most other non Badland Sports. The only really good thing the Sports have over the Subaru Wilderness edition is the clutch packed rear differential for those especially challenging circumstances where computer driven AWD logic is not enough. My Wilderness (Yes I bought one since my original post) is almost a different animal from a typical loaded Outback from previous generations. The CVT is tougher, lower geared, and has a cooler. The final drive ratio is lower, The XModes are more aggressive, and also less needed because of the inate capability of the Platform and power plant. I haven't even NEEDED to use Xmode on mine and I've been in snow and sand. It simply wasn't challenged in the least. I'm glad you like your sport. And yes, I WILL keep my Wilderness Edition. For me it was the right choice. I can tow 1500 more pounds, haul more cargo, and it is extremely unlikely you will be pulling me out of any snow banks. I carry a tow strap as well. It will be used on my tow hitch, not my front hooks. Databyter

@matthewc4503

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottw2157 is your '99 f350.... a legendary 7.3l???

@scottw2157

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewc4503 yes

bronco sport beats the OBW in offroad capability???? its crazy how wrong you guys are lol

Ove owned subarus since 1994 and have loved them, despite their tendency for head gasket issues, oil burning, need for timing belt changes at 80k miles, etc. But the biggest issue for me has always been the discomfort of subaru. I am 6 ft 4 in and subs are built for average people. Anyone over 6 ft hits head entering and exiting, gets leg cramps, and I've broken the lumbar support in my 2013 sub twice extending my leg for cramps. The bronco sport had more leg room and I can get in and out without doubling over. I spend a lot of time hauling a canoe and the regular sub has a shit rack system. I need to haul a lightweight boat and trailer and bronco handles that well. And finally, the off road capabilities of the bronco badlands aren't comparable to the subaru. They are much superior unless you are willing to burn your cvt to do some off reading. Plus, everyone now seems to have a subaru. It'll be a while before you see 4 or 5 broncos at a stoplight like you see jeep and subaru . I opted for a bronco sport for many reasons and retired one of my subarus. Still have one but gave it to the wife while my buds and I head to the hills...

@penguin12902

8 ай бұрын

Which subaru are you buying? The little ones? I'm 6'1 and my 2014 Legacy driver's seat isn't even all the way back.

This was by far one of the worst car comparisons ever, you call that off-road compare?!?!?

🐴

Yet you have no knowledge of the material you are reviewing

Just don't drive a bronco on mudflats in Maine...lol

@Blendedpants

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

fords look good and will last for a very long 4 years!

Subaru will excel in the snow and mud.

ford bronco sport is not a extreme crossover lol

Lol. Not even close. Easy win for the Subbie. By a mile. (Also, second highest rated car in Consumer Reports). “Locker” ??? WTf 🤬

@Sethgolas

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. It does have a rear locker even if it is engaged with clutch packs. I don't think the subaru would ever be able to handle anything like this, even if you give it a lift. kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4SOlduKhKyvos4.html Once you start lifting wheels, you want the locker, and that's going to happen because both have independent suspension.

Yeah but the Ford will leave a trail of parts so you can always find your way home.

You guys seem like your copying another channel...

I honestly can’t figure out if this is a joke or not? This is exactly a ripoff of the tfl father and son……

@jackrandom4893

Жыл бұрын

Oh no! Only TFL can have father and son car reviews on KZread! Anything else is a rip off!

Flash ahead two years and Subaru cvt is junk. Bronco ftw

Bronco!!!! Is the winner.

@inttruders

Жыл бұрын

You should probably find some information from someone who knows what they are talking about before deciding that.

@carlosnuckols8470

Жыл бұрын

@@inttruders I do know what I’m talking about maybe you should know who and what your talking too, but why are you emailing me?

@carlosnuckols8470

Жыл бұрын

@ArturNS this is Ford American made!

Bronco is a body on frame pure truck

@thisguy2659

2 жыл бұрын

Not the bronco sport. It’s unibody

@elkhuntingpatriot6418

2 жыл бұрын

It's built on the Escape platform

@Databyter

2 жыл бұрын

No, actually not. And the Newer Outbacks use the new Universal Platform which is arguably stiffer and tougher than that of the Sport. One of the many reasons that the Sport cannot tow much, while the newer Outbacks can. Databyter

Why would Ford name the Seats Tabaco in color? Jumping dying, Tabaco is a word of the past!!! Don't consider this Vehicle if they relate to Smoking. Is it Hidden Advertising for Tabaco Companies, I don't know, but something don't Smell Good??????????

The bronco is over priced junk

Nice video, but my choice is Bronco that is much way better. Cannot trust the CVT of the subaru and the look of the wildernest is awfull !

BRONCO easy.

By the time this video is over the Bronco sport will have about 2 more recalls, LOL. Ford should be ashamed putting garbage like this on the road.

the Subaru is truly ugly. I would never be seen is that car. That said we have two Subaru Impreza sport and love them. but we live on the beach in Florida, and just got a Ford Bronco Sport too. and love it on the beach.

A lot of yapping on paper specs. Not one off road test drive. Fake reviews.