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People need goals that are so fantastical to imagine. They do NOT need myths. So much of religion is keeping a child from growing up. Once you become a man, you no longer need anyone including the church. You can start your own thing.

@dwolfcoach

2 күн бұрын

And the sooner, the better. Life is hard, resources are limited, people need fewer excuses to care for each other.

People want their land of fairytales that they rule all by themself.

@OCD-GUY

5 күн бұрын

Some people want all the cookie dough for themselves not willing to share with anyone, typical atheists.

@HohenheimPU

4 күн бұрын

Free will is one of those fairytales

@HohenheimPU

4 күн бұрын

Free will is one of this fairytales

@0:19, JP: Music! Music! 🙂 Jokes apart, why is Douglas Murray on the stage at all?

@kahner93

5 күн бұрын

They need an English guy to make the religious position sound more intelligent

@MrDocPennington

5 күн бұрын

Music! As a response to "name one thing where you benefit from running contrary to rationality?" This man doesn't understand how calculated music production is.

When you learn about ideology you learn that there's a difference between: 1. Knowing 2. Knowing that others know, and 3. Knowing that others know that you know (and so on...) If it's admitted amongst Conservatives that stupid people need their myths, that's huge, it's out in the open and it changes the angle that people are going to feel ok with to approach their myths. Knowing that it's accepted to hold a myth knowing that it is a myth is a win win. You're now not going to weaponise it against us pretending that it's not a myth.

This is one of the best sections of the whole tour. This is such an important topic as IMO 99% of religious are either delusional or lying.

"I have walked across the surface of the Sun. I have witnessed events so tiny and so fast they can hardly be said to have occurred at all. But you, Jordan, Douglas, and Sam, you're just a man. The world's smartest man poses no more threat to me than does its smartest termite." - Dr. Manhattan quoting Jesus

@evenstoats2639

4 күн бұрын

Ooh, a quote from two fictional characters. Deep.

It's unfortunate that you didn't put Kennedy in the thumbnail. He's by far the best option we have, but he's being suppressed by the establishment.

@MateDrinker33

3 күн бұрын

Which of the numerous people surnamed Kennedy are you talking about?

Not sure why grownups are still having this discussion. I mean I get it that a teenager may have this question, but then one becomes an adult by casting away childish things.

@furrystalker3901

5 күн бұрын

Adults have been having this discussion for millenia across the globe. They have it now and will continue until the end of time. They use different words, concepts, basis in science and philosophy, but they talk about the same thing. From Plato passing by Jung and Nietzche, to arrive at these 3. It will never end.

@gregoberski5897

4 күн бұрын

The religious would tell you that this involves believing in god and their religion

@danielepp3113

4 күн бұрын

Which question?

@tgenov

4 күн бұрын

Yeah… when will all these grown ups cast away these childish things? Like truth; and morality; and justice; and all these other made up ideals…

@Nyghl0

4 күн бұрын

The whole problem is that too many people DON'T cast away childish things when they become an adult. That's why this bears talking about.

Something I read once? A good Carpenter is guided by a Book of Carpentry. A Master Carpenter is an Artisan Sculptor that needs, no such book.

I knew very early in life, probably around 6 or 7, that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. When you hammer at foundations, the buildings fall down and then there is a vacuum.

Rational thinking is the reason you can watch this video from the comfort of your home. Irrationality will have you thinking you actually won, when you've obviously lost.

Metaphorical stories combined with observable examples are the best way to inculcate living values in a deep way.

@itsacomment5991

Күн бұрын

Says guy who created a playlist of women’s asses. Are those the metaphors or the real life examples of living values?

Sometimes I love when peterson is woefully honest 😂😂

Myths like religion

Love how a gay man defends conservatism.

So to summarise Murray and Peterson here - Religion is philosophy for the masses. Most people "dont spend their life studying philosophy." Yet Murray later uses the recent uptake in Christianity by the masses as some sort of collective wisdom. This seems to be enjoying your cake both ways, surely. The masses are generally a bit dense in comparison to the men on stage (practically admitted by peterson). Despite this, we should trust them to work out that religion is a helpful metaphor to improve their behaviour and not actually historically true. Sounds a little wonky again. Lastly, if your belief in God/christian tradition is based solely on utility, then it will not hold up to any hardship or scrutiny. It is facile without faith, as Sam tries to point out. Murray states here that rationality and secularism are in their infancy, and thats right. Let us then try to achieve maturity through trial and discourse. Better that than smuggling jesus in through the back door and handing power back to religious institutions who routinely abused their influence wherever possible.

“We haven’t tried rationalism yet?” I thought we had The Age of Reason already. The problem is that humans tend to be one -dimensional. We are creators of both reason and feeling. So as has been advised we should choose The Middle Way between both. Plato said those in high places would die by fire and those in low places by water. Fire likely symbolizes reason and water feeling. The ancients recommended The Middle Way negotiating a path between reason and feeling as the truth lies between dualities, a synthesis of both, not going with one or the other exclusively, when humans tend to do.

@ALavin-en1kr

5 күн бұрын

Reply to myself correction “We are creatures of both reason and feeling’ not ‘creators’ of

Wow, Peterson actually said something I kind of agree with 😂 But cognitive dissonance is not stupidity. It's denial of logic that you'd apply to most things in your life. If, as a Christian, I were stupid, I'd still be stupid. Now, that's also up for interpretation, depending on who you speak to 😅 but understanding the facts and processing those to the point of understanding rationality in your thinking takes time, but eventually I reprogrammed my mind to not fear that which can not be verified. I don't need to believe in fantasy or myths, that had very little application to real life, in order to find truth.

A dictator has his fairy tale .

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That’s exactly what jp is saying Still doesn’t follow that the bible is the myth they should follow

Sounds like something Harris would say

Oh, please, God forgive me. I used to worship these guys.

I agree with jordan peterson. Wow I haven't said that in years... Oh wait this was years ago.... Yea he would never say that with the following he has now

these 3 are all right i love these 3 i wish elon was here

@chocopuddingcup83

5 күн бұрын

Uh, no. Elon Musk has the personality of a high school gossip girl. He needs to stick to what he does best (throwing money at the tech industry) and leave the moral, ethical, and philosophical discussion to the real intellectuals.

@OP-lk4tw

4 күн бұрын

@@chocopuddingcup83 he can act goofy but also serious, i don't think he would be that way in a format like this

@gregoberski5897

4 күн бұрын

Elon is busy courting his right wing donors and so would just boringly pander to religion ala JP

@chocopuddingcup83

4 күн бұрын

@@OP-lk4tw It has nothing to do with acting goofy and everything to do with him constantly wanting to stir up the pot to rile people up for his own jolies. He's a manchild.

@TheRobdarling

4 күн бұрын

Elon couldn't keep up with Peterson, let alone Murray or Harris

Number one myth of all time - men provide and protect

@jraelien5798

Сағат бұрын

@@junetaylor8396 Why do you say that?

Idk man. if this is true, and intelligent people dont, where are the intelligent people? I feel very much alone you know. Where THE FUCK are they?

The definition of religion is ‘that to which we are bound’ It is based on symbols and the resonance from symbols. What is the importance of resonance, the resonance between Jupiter and Saturn played a major role in the formation of the Galaxy. Rationalism is without resonance it is literalism unbound and if the only option, leaves the human as less than human because only a part of who we are is addressed. To raise a child who is super rational only is to raise a monster. So enough with putting an end to myth and symbols and putting total emphasis on rationalism. It is a very bad idea. The language of religion is symbolic not literal and rightly so.

@revo1974

5 күн бұрын

Define super rational? Are you implying raising a child without belief in a religion will make them a monster?

@ALavin-en1kr

5 күн бұрын

@@revo1974 No. Not at all. Just being raised with the factual without using imagination might be a problem.

@gunnertequila

4 күн бұрын

Are you willing to stop making a distinction between religion and other mythology, such as Greek or Norse. The only reason to use the word "religion" over "myth" is the implication that it's literally true.

Sam created and back up woke culture lol ..what a bs guy 😅😅😅

lol ok now I sorta agree w JP for the first time.

1) "Rationality" is just a calculator - it's a processing of input to output. We live in a world of way too many inputs, inputs of varying degrees of knowing and uncertainty. No calculator can work out an answer to such a question. So rationality is inadequate, pathetically inadequate. 2) If you run "Rationality through the idea that "Might is Right", we'll end up in a very big mess, one the ancient world lived through from the dawn of time till Christianity arrived

@cristiantalero96

2 күн бұрын

LOL 😂

These three men have taken the intellectual capability to new heights but to understand religion and life, they all need to let it go, everything they think they know, everything that they have worked out in their minds. It is all just an illusion.

@ssoretrac9955

5 күн бұрын

Riiight. Give up intellectual inquiry. Like that’s a good thing 🤡

Peterson is such a BS artist, if someone isn't very smart how does he expect them to know that they should adopt a conservative perspective on life. It seems to me that if a person can figure that out then they can grasp the concepts of rational thinking.

I will always tune in to Douglas speaking. Not sure what's going on here. He is great on biblical knowledge, but he does not profess to be a committed Christian, he calls himself an agnostic. He knows there is a Creator. Darwinians love to believe his ridiculous theory, which takes more faith than believing the bible. To the interviewer: he needs to teach his children that God is real. The reason we have such breakdowns in society and family now, is because no one teaches these poor beleaguered children the Truth.

@chocopuddingcup83

5 күн бұрын

Huh? Are you watching the same video as the rest of us? There's so much nonsense and straight-up factually incorrect opinions to unpack in your comment that I don't think it's worth the time to actually analyze it.

@gregoberski5897

4 күн бұрын

You don't need ANY faith to believe in the theory of Evolution, you believe it's true because of the overwhelming amount of top quality evidence for it. And as for grooming young children into your cult or mental illness, that is morally reprehensible, and constitutes child abuse. It also makes no sense; merely indoctrinating a child into believing your version of the sky-daddy myth in no way shape or form molds them into a good person. Prisons are filled with 99% christians and muslims. Churches are the #1 source of sexual predation against children, nothing else even comes close.

@SuperEdge67

4 күн бұрын

What exactly is a Darwinian? It’s a nonsense term only used by Christians.

do you believe in time? do you believe in the unconscious? do you believe that 0 is the only logical premise? and that, logically, 0 comes from 0? well then! p u t t h o s e t h i n g s t o g e t h e r .... 🫸🫷 ...what have you got?

@OP-lk4tw

4 күн бұрын

when you say 0 is the only logical premise, do you mean the first logical premise?

@natmanprime4295

4 күн бұрын

@@OP-lk4tw gimme a thumb and i'll tell you

@natmanprime4295

4 күн бұрын

@@OP-lk4tw wow, my response was deleted! i repeat: give me a 👍 and i'll tell you