There is professional level, and there is LeRoy Cain professional level. What an incredible human being he is, to deal with such a tragedy as Entry Flight Director and have to deal with all of these questions after losing his friends in this way. A truly remarkable man.

Crazy to see how respectful the journalists were.

@ChristineDaley

10 ай бұрын

Those were the days...

@saladbreath607

9 ай бұрын

Ain't that something?

I've had the privilege of working with LeRoy in his post-NASA career. He is an exemplary American and a great human being. Working the short project I worked with him was a highlight of my career as a consultant.

@letitsnow8518

Жыл бұрын

He seems a solid person.

@pratoarancione7646

Жыл бұрын

But there is no audio in this video!

@RubyBandUSA

Жыл бұрын

Even without knowing him personally, there are undoubtedly a great many Americans who feel the same way about him. I know I do.

@saltysavestate5855

Жыл бұрын

@@pratoarancione7646 there is, but only coming through the left ear.

@dano13441

Жыл бұрын

He’s very likable!

Incredible composure by LeRoy Cain. And the reporters asking questions with dignity and respect.

My dad and I toured NASA a few weeks after the accident while on our way to the Daytona 500. It was a very quiet and sad time throughout the NASA Visitor Center. Even the tour bus driver who drove us out to the museum was still choked up. R.I.P. to the crew.

@TehSWEED

11 ай бұрын

same

@-C.S.R

5 ай бұрын

That's crazy they were still doing tours that soon after

I remember watching the NASA channel and when Leroy said to Lock The Doors to Mission Control I knew we had lost some brave people. Sad day!🇺🇲

I’m glad the media’s questioning was more solemn than aggressive. Wish the media was this respectful in other stories…

@PeteDavidson-yl3ps

2 ай бұрын

Because everyone knew and still to this day in 2024 that NASA placed the astronauts in harms way…it was less than a 50/50 chance of re-entering safety it was less that a 50/50 of survival for the Crew….. Everyone in Mission Control knew there was no way to come home safe….. Lock the Doors, Close the Blinds, Stay off the phones….

Subsequently after the Columbia accident, in 2005, Leroy Cain went to KSC to become manager of Launch Integration until 2008, when he returned to JSC in 2008 to become deputy manager of the Space Shuttle program until it ended. He was also the head of the Mission Management Team during that time.

@jeaniechampagne8831

4 ай бұрын

I can see that he would indeed have climbed the ladder. He's an amazing leader and highly intelligent.

LEROY CAIN IS A WONDERFUL MAN.

@chetg2924

2 ай бұрын

amazing professional.

Ive seen Mr Cain direct on a few missions. The man is the definition of a professional at their work.

@EdWeibe

2 ай бұрын

Incredible human being.

Leroy was very professional.

A true gentleman and professional

This guy had to be top notch if he was the flight Director! He was a few days away from his 39th birthday. Being that young and flight, Director of shuttle missions, Wow!🤯

Prayers for this professional hero.

Reporters being reporters. Not disrespectful talking heads.

@moiraatkinson

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, compared to most reporters, I thought they were quite respectful towards him. They asked the questions they knew the public would be interested in, but they did it in quite a gentle way. I also thought Leroy coped really well. I know I couldn’t have sat through that and kept so dignified and composed.

@George-wi4xv

2 жыл бұрын

@@moiraatkinson I think that's what he was trying to say, they did their job well

The distress that man must have gone thru ..

@maxsmith695

3 жыл бұрын

I saw none

@niyatitrivedi1806

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@niyatitrivedi1806

3 жыл бұрын

Dr angle, the lead scientist of mist experiment, locked himself in a room for 10 to 12 days

@BarekHalfhand

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxsmith695 It was there but he regained composure quickly..

@philipswain4122

2 жыл бұрын

Such professionalism and composure under extreme circumstances.

I have no idea how he got through this interview like he did

@hollymackenzie9923

7 ай бұрын

There were a couple of times when I though he was going to refuse to answer certain questions

I lost a guy in an accident with the Royal Engineers. Watching this I understand the thoughts going through his mind Such a tragic incident xxxx

LeRoy Cain is a brilliant man.

You know watching the feed you can tell the exact moment he made the connection to the foam strike when he asked whare the sensors were located. He understood they were all related somehow but couldn't figure out why and it's hard hearing him make that realization.

I'll never forget that tragic Saturday. I was at my best friend's house when I heard what happened.

one damn good professional man right there. Absolute professional in a situation that was one of the most intense the world really has ever seen to date. 17:29 and he prayed. If you want to know the key point, forget the impending death of the crew, 17:29 starts your answer about thinking ahead for recovery forces in case they survived, etc.

This video is the definition of morbid. Poor flight director could do nothing to prevent and nothing to recover. He and everybody everywhere were helpless. So sad.

The thing of this is, all of these shuttles were suffering some damage from foam and whatnot after each individual flight, some damage very insignificant while other damages were close calls, but some damages occured during all of the flights. Once they installed all of the camera angles they did late in the shuttle programs history really helped give perspective to the teams at Mission Control of how to combat the problems of the shuttles down the road to correct them until the end of the shuttle program. Thankfully there was no other disasters came from it after this disaster happened. This flight director got scapegoated basically wrongly for this disaster when you can clearly see in this debriefing while he handled this interview with class and tried his best to keep composure through this, was not the person to blame. All mission control can do here is follow what the data shows them at that time. What people don't get, data takes time for the signal of data to reach mission control from wherever the shuttle is at the time, which is why there wasn't an immediate reaction and was always the case. In either case Leroy handled this briefing as well as he could, given the hard questions he faced. RIP to the crew of the Columbia. Over 20 years later and still remember watching this on TV.

@Purplexity-ww8nb

4 ай бұрын

No one, at any time, has anyone tried to lay an iota of blame at the feet of Leroy Cain.

From the perspective of history what would the questions have been? Full knowledge probably wouldn’t have changed the answers, I believe that this was an honest and brave man answering questions the best he could.

@nathanwurtzel4346

2 жыл бұрын

LeRoy Cain is pretty close to blameless here. The NASA executive culture was the real problem. The spacecraft was doomed 90 seconds into flight, because they had never addressed the foam-shedding issue. Even if they knew, rescue would have been unlikely. Only real chance was sending Atlantis up quickly, with the foam-shedding still unsolved.

@bubblehead78

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanwurtzel4346 This is the correct answer.

@07Flash11MRC

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanwurtzel4346 "they had never addressed the foam-shedding issue": They tried. Shuttle Astronauts like Hoot Gibson and Dick Covey have confirmed that there were multiple attempts, including a glue gun, to replace tiles in space, so that returning to earth would be save. They couldn't find a material that works, not even until the last Shuttle flight STS-135 landed. After Columbia they only had other shuttles be ready for potential rescue missions. Starship also uses similar tiles, so SpaceX might actually solve this issue.

@charlessnider883

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanwurtzel4346 I agree Very softball questions here. It's a billion dollar spacecraft with 7 souls on board and that's the best you can do. I mean CNN and the rest of us knew it was broken up before he did. They were to busy dragging out there contingency binders to notice the shuttle was gone. Lock the door and no sending of info or phone calls so in other words let's cover it up as much as we can. He may be a nice guy. But part of the culture problem with Nasa It's the Exit, Vocal, or Capitulate management style. We have the answer we want, now pick one of the three options aforementioned

@dorianrustik6880

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanwurtzel4346 they had many foam shedding issues. Thats plain bs

these guys are among the smartest people on the planet. This man here really really held it together more than any person really could be expected. I just pray for peace for all these folks. I'm still knocked back from this AND Challenger.

I remember Columbia very well. I knew astronaut Laurel Clark on emails in the weeks before the mission. She was a great person. It,s sad to know they are not with us anymore. But when did the astronauts die? I think it was shortly after the CE at GMT 14.00.18.Between the CE and CMCE. I think they lost concousness and was unconcous when the shuttle melted around them.

@ChicagoMel23

Жыл бұрын

Very likely. They lost consciousness when the nose broke loose and depressurized

Flight Director LeRoy Cain did not have the fortunate outcome of Gene Kranz, and it was not his fault. I am sorry that no one from the guilty corporation had no publicly publicized consequences. Did they?

@themidcentrist

Жыл бұрын

Linda Ham was the NASA manager who ignored the concern of some of the engineers and decided there would not be further investigation into possible damage to the wing due to the foam strike. She was subsequently demoted but continued working for NASA. Personally, I am curious about whether the demotion resulted in her getting a pay cut.

Even before the end of the flight, Cain (and probably all the controllers) had been briefed on the foam strike to the left wing. The way I read his gesture when he said, "lock the doors", was one of exasperation... like, "Well, it was just as bad as we had feared". Of course, the process has to be gone through, even though they knew it was a plasma blowtouch, just like the question raised at 9:35. I even imagine that Cain might have asked about what to expect if there was a hole and the script unfolded as predicted.

@ayykay9987

Жыл бұрын

From what I read, looking into when and how flight control (Cain) learned of the exact news, he was spoken to by a former director behind him who just got off the phone. A NASA member had called and said they saw it break up over Texas. The former director then told this to Cain. You can’t hear their brief conversation, but immediately after he tells TC to lock the doors. I think hearing of what was witnessed may have been the definitive news they feared but could only speculate.

@cerberus1981

6 ай бұрын

Adding to the previous comment, the terse tone of voice seemed to be him fighting tears. His next exchange (after a pause) was to ask, “FIDO, do we have any tracking?” His voice cracked momentarily as he spoke those words.

Little Mammoth Media did The Big Space Shuttle video during the STS 83 and STS 94 flights before the Columbia accident.

I see dignity in reporters questions, they were correct. For me, Columbia accident is way harder and tougher than Challenger. The pain of Challenger was quick and fast, like something cuts off your soul. The Columbia catastrophe was slowly dying inside with minor hope of happy ending and then revival of that pain becomes bigger after time goes by. I believe this man spoke the best he could under circumstances of emotional emptiness. I believe difficultness when all public eyes were on him, pro et contra. I believe the most difficult moment was when he was alone. That's the risk of the business they've choosen and fatal failures are part of that. I also believe this man is one of the shining stars in nasa with unmatched intelligence and humans values.

@landibear6509

2 жыл бұрын

I nearly misread you. I almost thought you meant the pain was brief on Challenger for the Astronauts as opposed to those in Mission Control. There were some engineers with the Challenger that did sit in KSC hoping it would not explode and thinking it would on liftoff because of the O-rings and when it cleared the tower they were briefly relieved. That sadly did not last long. I agree. Somehow the feeling in MCC for Columbia feels so prolonged and agonizing. I feel for them terribly. Having worked in a control room myself, not NASA, but an emergency control center, I know all too well what it's like waiting for feedback and not getting any or waiting for feedback and then the news is bad. You get calls that end well too. I had a call where someone tried committing suicide on Valentine's day and was able to get to him before it was too late but then I've also had calls where there is a medical and someone does not make it and then far worse calls than that.

@dubravkadbric3807

2 жыл бұрын

@@landibear6509 I also thought on perspective of ordinary people who loved STS program. But primarily, of course, I thought on agony of people in MC.

@landibear6509

2 жыл бұрын

@@dubravkadbric3807 I thought so. Sad that in both instances MCC and the Astronauts suffered the consequences of bad management who get comfortable and complacent with "oh it's happened so many times before and nothing has ever happened", until it does. In the words of Dr. Richard Feynman "Nature cannot be fooled" and sadly, if they would not heed the warnings of a Nobel winning physicist, they certainly were never going to listen to engineers.

@dubravkadbric3807

2 жыл бұрын

@@landibear6509 Yes, they have warnings of the engineers in both cases. Challenger could be prevented, in case of Columbia it would be too expensive to sent another shuttle to save the crew. Apollo era FDs had more power than STS era where main influence had management.

@landibear6509

2 жыл бұрын

@@dubravkadbric3807 There is a documentary presented by Neil DeGrasse Tyson I watched where one of the lead investigators of the Columbia simulated and challenged NASA employees to come up with solutions had they hypothetically found out on day 5 of the mission that there was a breach and one of the findings in the official report says that Shuttle Atlantis could have been launched in time and the Astronauts could have been tethered from Columbia to Atlantis. I too think the Apollo era FD's had more power but that probably had a lot more to do with beating the Russians. Every accomplishment they had (with the exception of putting a person into orbit first or a man made object) was a first and therefor considered a triumph. By the time Apollo 13 came around people had lost interest and it was really only due to the accident and hoping for their safe return that everyone tuned in again. With STS there was no longer a race and everyone got too used to it I suppose. Also, though circumstances were different, if Apollo 13 in a capsule with far less technology in it than Columbia could make it back safely, I am sure great minds could have at least tried from the ground to do something.

“I was saying a prayer”

@ami2evil

Жыл бұрын

To who? Ghenghis McGillochotty?

Grace under pressure. America's best. LeRoy Cain

When you see Cain visibly react to what was going on, he thought of what had occurred during assent even though he kept the issue in the back of his mind, but he'd hoped he was wrong.

Odd that not one reporter mentioned the 1986 Challenger disaster. How is it possible that none of them asked Mr. Cain his thoughts on the prior catastrophe in relation to this?

@kathyyoung1774

Жыл бұрын

How is that appropriate?

@julietteyork6293

Жыл бұрын

@@kathyyoung1774 If you research both disasters you’d know that poor quality control, bad judgment and corrupted values compromised the safety of both missions. The powers that be vowed that the toxic institutional factors that caused the Challenger catastrophe would never be repeated, and yet they were in Columbia.

@saladbreath607

9 ай бұрын

The two events couldn't have been any more different.

@julietteyork6293

9 ай бұрын

@@saladbreath607 Try to follow my point. The events were different but the underlying and systemic (institutional) dynamics were similar. Do the research.

I saw this man crying as soon as he knew what happened. Pretty sure he was thinking "No , not another Challenger".

@deimos2k6

3 жыл бұрын

no, when he was told what happened, he stayed collected and focused on his job, basically directing the contingency procedures and making sure no one else could get distracted from the terrible situation that just occourred.

@MikinessAnalog

3 жыл бұрын

@@deimos2k6 I actually saw a video that had more than a few frames. It was more than sweat. I truly believe he had compassion and empathy. I have no doubt he was told and even had his own assumptions when the sensors begin to go offline.

@ksracing8396

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikinessAnalog I think you both are right, one does not exclude the other. The images from Mission Control (20 minutes, also available on this channel) show both sides. LeRoy Cain fighting his own emotions from the moment he realized something was terribly wrong, but at the same time keeping everything together, showing extreme professionalism to make sure that what has to be done is done. Which makes his performance absolutely impressive, but also shows how well the training controllers and especially Flight Directors went and still go through, works in the toughest situations.

@ksracing8396

3 жыл бұрын

@SantaFe Scout Not in this video, in the 20 minutes video from Mission Controll during re-entry, that NASA released at the time being, quite at the end. He is actually asked about the moment in this press conference, which took place nearly two weeks later.

@moiraatkinson

2 жыл бұрын

@@ksracing8396 do you have a link to that better quality video?

My childhood memory of all of this was disgusting. I was 5 years old and angry at Cain because “he took away my cartoons” because my parents changed from my cartoons to the coverage. Of course now that I’m 26 it’s changed. I feel awful about this. Looking back I often wonder what would’ve happened if the failure wasn’t as detrimental. Like if the damage was somewhere else, still significantly damaging the shuttle but not killing the crew.

no audio?

from the video quality it looks like 1983 rather then 2003.

No audio????

i can't avoid comparing the professionalism of ppl in the past to what is called professionslism today. no consideration was made about leroy cain's ethnic background or what he did in his bedroom. he was execellent at what he did. he is articulate and well spoken. it is tragic how far this country is fallen in 20 yrs, just one generation. i am sad not only for the astronauts who lost their lives but also sad for the society in general that our standards have fallen so so fast.

Leroy Cain demonstrates the best of NASA here. Sadly, Linda Ham was not arrested and prosecuted for the murder of these astronauts. Hopefully one day we can hold her accountable.

Cain was involved in the decision making process that doomed the crew. Those decision makers refused the implementation of ANY efforts to mitigate the clear and present danger that the crew faced. No hi-res imagery from military assets were allowed to be obtained in order to determine the level of damage. No rescue attempt would be made. No low energy reentry to minimize the danger. No space walk to visually inspect for damage. They didn't even tell them what was going on until minutes before the tragedy. LeRoy Cain, Linda Hamm, and others, were criminally culpable for those totally preventable deaths. 😢 Was anyone even disciplined for these egregious actions? No.

Hail Columbia!

Whole lotta people mouthing off in the comments havent read a word of the CAIB report and it shows.

Tragic 💔

I think Leroy is wrong @11:00. The reporter asked if the trajectory were changed to account for the breach could this have saved Columbia. He says no. It was already optimize for heat load. I can tell hes not a pilot...a pilot would always assume skill could save the flight. Columbia entered the atmosphere at 70° pitch on the right wing. This mildly protected the damaged left wing but not enough. Debris was already falling of the left wing. Had they known about the beach in the left wing the shuttle commander could have taken control from the computer and put Colombia into a high pich of 90° or 100°. That would divert the hypersonic blow torch past the hole...at the very least the laminar flow of plasma would become turbulent and far less focused. Additionally Columbia could have been put into a side slip after the belly and engines had taken all the heat they could. This would be tricky and potentiality loose control ( Sideslip: point Columbia's nose north as the craft travels west and angle the right wing up into the plasma stream toward space and the damaged wing pointed toward earth into the shuttles wake or shadow) Columbia couldn't hold that for long. Colombia was falling apart before the first reversal so this might be peak heating. But moving back and forth between engines angle and side slip could have gotten columbia through the second roll reversal.

Negligence or not, This people really felt the loss. You can see it in their face.

@joe92

4 ай бұрын

There was no negligence on the part of the flight control team

Really miss them, kalpana and all crew members 😭😭😪

@moiraatkinson

2 жыл бұрын

I know ….. it’s so unfair. People in the prime of their lives, highly educated and intelligent, with young families and everything to live for. 😥

@niyatitrivedi1806

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@niyatitrivedi1806

2 жыл бұрын

Do you want to be an astronaut too

@niyatitrivedi1806

2 жыл бұрын

Me, yes

@niyatitrivedi1806

2 жыл бұрын

@@moiraatkinson for me kalpana is everything, believe always with me

I have seen this video many times and it’s so so sad that LEROY CAIN has always been MADE A SCAPEGOAT for the accident that befell Columbia and her crew R I P CREW OF COLUMBIA ALSO THE CREW OF CHALLENGER ALWAYS REST IN PEACE KNOWING THAT YOU ARE TRULY NOT GOING TOO BE FORGOTTEN ❤❤❤

@ksracing8396

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, if he was made a scapegoat then mainly by some ignorant commentators on the internet. Neither by the CAIB nor by NASa, which is shown by the fact that he was ascent/entry Flight Director again at STS-114, Return-to-Flight, and later held high positions in Shuttle Program Management. He is still very highly respected in the space industry, currently working for Boeing on Starliner. He was the leader of the MMT for the last Starliner testflight.

@Zoomer30

Жыл бұрын

The blame lies with the upper management who: 1. Didn't want to know 2. Didn't try to find out 3. Actively tried to interfere with people who wanted/needled information. The fact that didn't even do a simple spacewalk to get eyes on the wings is criminal. Atlantis STS 27 mace them complacent about damage to the TPS. (27 only had tiles damage, no one even considered damage to the RCC panels)

@poppyrowland1385

10 ай бұрын

He’s not the scapegoat, and we all know that.

this question @ 10:10 I have been wondering and asking with no response for years. I will often times hear someone make a comment, maybe on say climate change. They say, "if we don't do X, this terrible thing is going to happen" but every time I hear it, I think how adaptable humans are. The point is, these comments are made and are reasonable IF we do nothing to make a change. Leroys response I believe is like that. Yes, it is optimized based on speed, time, and re-entry location and where they are going to land. My instincts tell me that maneuvers to make the re-entry a much more gradual procedure so that heat doesn't build up for more than say 10 seconds at a time, then lift to cool it off. Kind of like the way the Apollo capsule re-entered but instead of 1 lift to cool it could be split up into 50 or 100 small cool downs. Does anyone know of any good youtubers that simulate these sort of scenarios with some such orbital simulators? I'd love to put the question to them.

@ciprianokritzinger3636

Жыл бұрын

Entry at a shallower angle will create a lower heat flux but the deceleration time will be longer. It‘s simply converting kinetic energy into heat to slow down. Consequently the amount of heat energy received will be unchanged.

@digitalblasphemy1100

Жыл бұрын

@@ciprianokritzinger3636 So you're saying they could have entered without getting too hot and survive?

@ciprianokritzinger3636

Жыл бұрын

@@digitalblasphemy1100 No, it would not have saved them. Just as an example you can heat up something at a slower rate but since all the kinetic energy is converted into heat it would just take longer until peak temperature is reached. AS bad as it sounds there was no way to prevent that accident once the orbiter was in orbit.

@digitalblasphemy1100

Жыл бұрын

@@ciprianokritzinger3636 That isn't true. There is no way that's true. Go do 100mph in your car and slam the brakes. You cannot touch the brake rotors they would be so hot. Now do 100mph and just tap the brakes until you stop. The rotors will be nowhere NEAR as hot. A long shallow angle will not get as hot. Yes same energy but over a much longer period of time. That's facts.

@ciprianokritzinger3636

Жыл бұрын

@@digitalblasphemy1100 Ok I try again, if you drive a 100 mph slowing down your car you convert kinetic energy to heat energy. It will always be the same amount from lets say 100 mph to 50 mph independent of how much how hard you brake. The difference to the shuttle is in the car you can dissipate the heat into the surrounding air. In the shuttle it's only the heat tiles. If they are missing the structure behind will finally melt, with a shallower angle it will just take a bit longer.

Must’ve been crap to have to face the cameras like this

@josephweiss1559

2 жыл бұрын

Worse than that

@ami2evil

Жыл бұрын

Knowing that you murdered seven humans? Or?

@julietteyork6293

Жыл бұрын

@@ami2evil How was Leroy Cain to blame, specifically?

You cant prepare something disastrous like this event, pointing the questions were made..

It's has to just annoy people with even an ounce of how these things fly when a people with no knowledge in the field ask "Could the Shuttle just fly different to protect the wing" If you want to get to a runway, no.

@kathyyoung1774

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Or “Why didn’t they have a parachute on the crew capsule?” At 13,000 mph? A parachute that could survive that heat?

The reporters are way too professional to have been not bought

whats her name at 18:50?

@jimmywenger8979

3 жыл бұрын

Gina Treadgold, abc news

@Tibs_Budapest

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Cain was never told about the potential wing damage from launch

@deimos2k6

3 жыл бұрын

That is improbable, he was in front of the monitors and also saw the hi res video showing the foam impacting the left wing the day after the launch, both he and the rest of the staff were at least worried about the possible consequences, but due to the lack of external cameras to check on the black tiles once in orbit, there wasn't so much they could do. Still, he started worrying again just when the sensors readings on the same side of the hit on the shuttle started to fail, he probabily was well aware of that.

@travb120

3 жыл бұрын

@@deimos2k6 I saw something about other Gov agencies willing to use their "cameras" to help but NASA declined. Is it also true the next scheduled flight could have did an intercept mission to save the Astronauts?

@ksracing8396

3 жыл бұрын

@@travb120 It is true that it would have been possible to get pictures through the NRO, but to put things into perspective, it would only have given a very slight chance of making a difference had they been achieved until the second day of the mission. Because already on the second or very latest third day of the mission a decision for a rescue action would have had to be made. Which would have included taking a huge amount of new risks, skipping normal steps and measures to guarantee safety, by getting another Shuttle ready within less than 3 weeks. Experienced flight planners always doubted very much that it would have been realistically feasible.

@travb120

3 жыл бұрын

@@ksracing8396 wow, thanks for the insight.

@ksracing8396

3 жыл бұрын

@@travb120 I must say, I have a personal opinion about it, which of course not everyone has to share. I believe that if it was not possible to at least find out in the first 3 days, which I somehow doubt , because the 2nd day, when a possible request was first pushed up the management chain by Wayne Hale, was a Saturday of a long holiday weekend, it was probably better they never found out in advance. For everyone involved. Because there was absolutely nothing that could have been done at a later stage. So what do you do with the knowledge? For the people on the ground - telling the crew or not? And if you decide not to, can you really keep it secret? Unlikely... And for the Crew - to know for quite some time you are doomed? At least I personally would prefer to enjoy the mission until the end and then die quickly instead of knowing before what is going to happen and just have the alternative to decide whether to die on re-entry or on orbit running out of consumables. I know that some of their colleagues in the astronaut office at the time reluctantly came to the same conclusion...

Linda Ham is responsible for this.

@robbhahn8897

2 жыл бұрын

Linda Ham was just the visible face of the Nasa attitude towards space shuttle safety. The entire management there knew it was dangerous for crews to continue flying with debris constantly hitting and damaging the TPS. There had to be a sacrificial lamb for this accident and she was it.

@wallofrock6725

Жыл бұрын

Wasn’t that the blond that made the final decision to not let the DOD take photos of the left wing?

@themidcentrist

Жыл бұрын

@@wallofrock6725 yeap

I would have thought in his position along with others at NASA that as soon as anomalies were presenting within the left wing that they knew the complete cause and effect of the accident, They had earlier discussed the left wing foam strike, The flight was obviously doomed from the launch, a rescue wouldn't have been available.

@dereksmith8623

2 жыл бұрын

It was. As an endpoint of the investigation, they sat some engineers in a room, operated as if it was mission day 1, and satellite imagery had revealed the hole. They determined that the next shuttle, theoretically, could have reached the pad in the 27 days the power and consumables would have lasted on Columbia. Specifically, that it could have gotten to the launch pad *without* missing any safety-critical steps. In principal, it was possible.

@opusliveson

5 ай бұрын

In a interview, Cain himself said that when he first received reports of Left Wing Tire Pressure Loss--he immediately thought of the Possible Left Wing strike. I may be wrong, but I believe this press conference occurred shortly after the accident before the investigation was complete.

I know about 8 Leroys and not 1 of them has a capital R in their name.

Easier way to go then the challenger crew they lived longer and knew the end was near.columbia crew gone quick

@CyberEJ

Жыл бұрын

I remember reading that that's what they thought. But they also think that that might not have been the case?

@ami2evil

Жыл бұрын

@@CyberEJ They definitely had an idea there was an issue, and that it was most likely resulting in a fatal ending...

@truecolors5669

2 ай бұрын

You can hear on the recording that the heat was increasing in Columbia, and there was some definite increase in anxiety as they tried to radio and the communication broke up. The 2008 report says they survived the breakup, so they were definitely aware, but they died before the capsule hit the ground due to the depressurization of the cabin, a phenomenon that was not present in Challenger as the cabin remained intact in that case.

'feelin that heat'

@deltaqueen5704

2 жыл бұрын

So sad.....

N.A.S.A stands for N o we dont believe A piece of foam caused S ome real damage to A wing.

And Linda Ham wasn't fired for this avoidable disaster.

@annechris2677

Жыл бұрын

Who's she

@saladbreath607

9 ай бұрын

​@@annechris2677She chaired the Mission Management Team for all Shuttle flights between 2001 and the STS 107 disaster. She was singled out for exhibiting an attitude of avoiding inspection and assessment of actual damage to Columbia. Ham's attitude, and her dismissal of dissenting points of view from engineers, was identified as part of a larger cultural problem at NASA. She was demoted and transferred out of her position after the break-up of STS 107.

Why did they Not do a space walk and inspect the wing while in space since they knew the foam had hit that wing?

@davidmiller1196

2 жыл бұрын

Because it would have taken a few days to organize and they would have lost a lot of experiments they were preforming. If they would have done the space walk and discovered a problem, it was already to late for a rescue mission

@muttley8818

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t have made a difference. There was no way to repair damage while in orbit. Spacewalk or no spacewalk, Columbia was lost as soon as that foam struck the leading edge of the wing.

@MiniLemmy

2 жыл бұрын

At the time it wasn’t believed to be a safety issue - it had to be proven after the event by way of foam strike experiments that a chunk of foam could cause a catastrophic breach

@brianb6957

2 жыл бұрын

Adapt, overcome and improvise. Failure is not an option.

@robbhahn8897

2 жыл бұрын

Well, they obviously should have. The old argument that they didn't do it because even if they had discovered the damage there was nothing they could do about it is ridiculous--at best they could have tried to mount some kind of rescue mission and at the least they would have known the extent of the damage so that if the shuttle didn't make it back they would have had full knowledge of where and what had caused its loss.

Had NASA simply examined the wing, the tiles, then all crew would be alive today as that Orbiter would NOT have been flow home….I want to venture a sick guess that they all knew they would die…and so did everyone at NASA… It’s really sad that revenue over human lives was a priority….

How could they was making me wonder what the space station was it possible the Columbia could be use to the space station instead of bringing it back home and have it checked and find out how bad the damage was on the wing

@Tsarbomb117

Жыл бұрын

Negative, Columbia was not orbiting Earth on the same plane as the ISS. The ISS orbits at about 57 degrees relative to the equator, STS-107 was a solo Shuttle flight at 39 degrees. You can see what this means by watching the direction Shuttle missions to Mir or the ISS travel immediately after leaving the launch pad compared to non-space station mission launches which *typically* took place at about 28.5 degrees, the same latitude as Kennedy Space Center.

@willlock3644

2 ай бұрын

@@Tsarbomb117 this is by far, the most amazing response to anything on any social media, EVER!

He doesn’t look like a leroy. He looks more like a steve or a matt

@Jeremy_the_bot

2 ай бұрын

Nah. He is a perfect Leroy.

“Mr Cain, how serious was that foam strike?” Oh it’s nothing, all of our research says it’s no big deal”

What happened to the video of the two chariots flying next to space shuttle Columbia you know before you slammed into the Dome

Linda Ham responsible to her grve she will be haunted by it

@kristinstrickland1038

Жыл бұрын

Only if she is a good person. I don't think bad people are ever haunted by things.

@seeyouaunty

Жыл бұрын

Rescue was impossible. They were either going to die in orbit waiting for a rescue mission, or they were going to try their luck with re-entry. Sometimes there is no good option, only the least bad option. Having astronauts trapped in orbit slowly waiting to die while in constant radio contact is unthinkable.

@themidcentrist

Жыл бұрын

@@seeyouaunty Rescue may have been impossible in the end, but if the damage had been discovered a lot of very smart engineers would have worked day and night to figure out a way to rescue the astronauts. Unfortunately, they never got the chance to do so. Even a slim chance of a rescue would have been better than having no chance at all. Apollo 13 was in a similarly desperate situation but they did get those astronauts home.

K.C I believe you are always with me Or am I you,maybe was K.C in past life

As events unfolded the guy looked lost in his behaviour/mannerisms, didnt present as a man in control at all, and even when things potentially going very wrong you need a boss who looks and sounds still confident in doing his job - another thing it also looked very possible he was hoping all would be ok while expecting the opposite could happen.. to me personally is possible those in control knew what could happen due to known foam strike but no choice but to keep secret as no rescue truly viable and to release info to astronauts and even the public would have been madness

@saladbreath607

9 ай бұрын

NASA team leader: We'll erect a cardboard cutout of John Wayne in Mission Control to address this.

The flight director loses more brain cells in a day naturally than I have in my head and is surrounded by hundreds of others like him. This is why something like a huge hole created, seen, recorded, reported and pushed aside seems all the more baffling. I understand literally thousands of things can go wrong and the "swiss cheese" model of holes lining up can lead to catastrophic events. Did can't see the forest for all the trees apply here?

@XxChuyoxX

Жыл бұрын

And what do you suppose nasa should have done? It was a lose lose situation.

😪

@commiekiller

3 жыл бұрын

i just got here too

@lizkinnear8570

Жыл бұрын

RIP FOR THE ASTRONAUTS, AND THEIRS FAMILIES 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏..Shouldn't have happened to both shuttles.😪

A time when journalists were real and decent. And not *woke activist trash* pretending to be journalists.

What is with his ears? Wrong placement? I can't figure it out...

@kathyyoung1774

Жыл бұрын

Rude.

@saladbreath607

9 ай бұрын

Why is your forehead sloped forward?

They didn’t do everything they could. Dismissing multiple heat sensor failings, they could have called off re entry attempt and rendezvoused back to iss and used Soyuz for reduce

@ami2evil

Жыл бұрын

It's another sacrifice to the movie, that is our lives.. Their movies ended that day...

@MK-tt5xy

Жыл бұрын

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It was literally impossible to make it to ISS.

@kathyyoung1774

Жыл бұрын

@@MK-tt5xy Exactly right.

@JimBoIndy

8 ай бұрын

You are clueless... De orbit burns had been completed... No possibility of re orbit insertion