If I saw these four guys separately, I would not think they were going to the same place.

@JhubeiFC

Жыл бұрын

W

@meljXD2

Жыл бұрын

LOL

@rockierok3899

Жыл бұрын

Gold! LOL dude

@dustinshanton4771

Жыл бұрын

Best comment I’ve read on KZread in a long time haha

@gmoose7155

Жыл бұрын

On the contrary, four BJJ black belts walked in to a bar...

I could listen to GSP all day the way he says“therapeutic” cracks me up😂

@wkwk1152

2 жыл бұрын

its like a fcking extinct dinosaur lol

@bshasnki100

2 жыл бұрын

Are you in-talks-icated??

@Greenman422

2 жыл бұрын

so you are making fun of his accent?

@stokkejanraggio9091

2 жыл бұрын

@@Greenman422 after all these years yes. if he would put 1% of his effort in talking from his training he could get the accent out. Its cute tho

@Greenman422

2 жыл бұрын

@@stokkejanraggio9091 in a sport where 1% might be the difference between victory and defeat im glad he focused on the fighting

John Danaher is a masterclass in how to think rationally and communicate effectively. Whatever he says, I'm listening.

@PierceSunderseatsRAMEN

Жыл бұрын

That’s money.

@katokianimation

Жыл бұрын

He went to philosophical univesity

@JohnDeanArcade

Жыл бұрын

Does anyone else think John sounds like Christopher Nolan?

@liquidketamine8562

Жыл бұрын

What a Ph.D in philosophy gets you

@notsoberoveranalyzer8264

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnDeanArcade rofl

This is probably the greatest martial arts roundtable group there will ever be.

@JesusRodriguez-sh3pj

2 жыл бұрын

It's missing tito ortiz

@joelrivard5598

2 жыл бұрын

U would need to add the gracies

@BamBam-wh7nt

2 жыл бұрын

Don't be silly lol, they are all legends, but it can't be the greatest martial arts roundtable without a muay thai nor boxing legend.

@isaiahgarcia163

2 жыл бұрын

@@JesusRodriguez-sh3pj exactly we needed a hyena story

@joshuajamias7648

2 жыл бұрын

It’s missing Mike Tyson

For someone who is so intelligent and must have so many things to say, John is such a good listener and gives people the space to say things themselves and values and shows maximum respect and is so humble is just mind blowing 🤯.

@joesfreshaquatics6488

Жыл бұрын

he is controlling your mind rn .

@jackjack4412

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if his IQ was between 110-135. He's just very polished and educated/knowledgeable.

@JohnnyRugged06

Жыл бұрын

Your comment reminds me of my grandfather. He was the smartest person I've ever known and he was a great listener who didn't feel any need to speak very much, particularly when he was around people that he knew wanted to talk and be heard. I always admired that so much, and found it a little bit frustrating that everyone else was talking so much, and he was talking so little. Every time he talked I thought it was interesting.

@shadowfauxx7

Жыл бұрын

To speak you are only repeating what you know. When you listen, you may learn something new. Intelligent people know to keep quiet and listen.

@sambog2635

Жыл бұрын

he acts like he is a jedi lol yet fighters he train are full of steroids!! and he's real creepy

Makes sense for each athlete. Both are (or were) in 2 different sports in 2 different situations & weight divisions. 1.GSP - was in a Lighter weight division with a strict weight limit. MMA requires different stand up attributes such as speed in striking being light and fast can be an attribute more so in stand up. Fighting opponents his exact weight. 2. Gordon Ryan- Super Heavyweight with No weight limit, fighting very large opponents in grappling makes sense to be stronger and bigger when you may grapple someone much larger. Power and weight is more useful of an attribute in just pure grappling. No quick striking needed, No quick kicking, striking footwork or defense needed.

@gustavotriqui

Жыл бұрын

The fact that GSP was in a strict weight limit should make it clear. The reason why there is a strickt weight limit, is because the bigger, stronger person would have a clear adventage over the lighter one. For GSP, gaining muscle would mean he jumps into the next weight class, and then he would face people who is naturally stronger and bigger than him. So it makes sense that he doesn't want to increase muscle mass. But that's a different thing than saying muscle mass doesn't help in a fight.

@danieluhlmann7215

Жыл бұрын

Nailed it. But even a stronger GSP would be a better fighter than a weaker GSP

@Multiple_creatives

Жыл бұрын

@@danieluhlmann7215 I would say it depends. with added strength a person can lose other attributes. It's not a weight lifting contest. But valid points.

@chrismeredith6295

Жыл бұрын

PERFECT summation right there ---

@Haannibal777

Жыл бұрын

All things being equal, stronger is better. But in real life, all things are rarely equal.

"I was wondering, would there ever be a boy born who could swim faster than a shark." -Lex

@romainplagnol882

2 жыл бұрын

Wise question

@jacksonbrown4112

2 жыл бұрын

Gareth Keenan investigates 😂

@kingdiamonds2316

2 жыл бұрын

There is His name is Steven adams

@FR-ty5vn

2 жыл бұрын

Ah…no…

@Tastyjamsandwich

2 жыл бұрын

And that’s crufts.

Gordon Ryan and Danaher have said that the first time GR lost to Pena, GR said to Danaher after the match -"Pena felt about three times stronger than me." Strength matters. Don;t let anyone tell you different.

@longnguyen80

11 ай бұрын

I think you miss the point: is it more efficient for Gordon Ryan to match his strength with Pena or his skill? It would take years for him to match Pena's strength. However, by improving his skill, it might take only months to beat Pena. Strength matters when you don't have sufficient strength.

GSP tells everything like it's a story, and I love it.

Lex, what a set of great guests you have here. Keep up the great work man.

@TheHumanGibbon

2 жыл бұрын

Lex sounds high as shit and completely uninterested lol

@DJ-kg6zq

Жыл бұрын

No kidding, I had to double check the title. Good stuff.

I remember one interview GSP said he lifts weights solely for looks. Bro, even if that were truly his primary reason, the weight lifting and gymnastics he does obviously was a factor behind his success.

@lambchop3916

2 жыл бұрын

exactky. if he couldn’t bench 135 or deadlift a couple plates, he wouldn’t have been able to be as effective as he was in wrestling.

@RajAdityaDas

2 жыл бұрын

He did weightlifting for looks. Gymnastics he did to get a different source/type of coordinated full body strength.

@PariahKamikaze

2 жыл бұрын

@@RajAdityaDas Gymnastics wasn't a staple throughout his entire career though. He only started to incorporate it towards the end of his career. Not when he was in his prime dominating everyone. GSP is a thinker/strategist so of course he's gonna undermind the impact his weightlifting had on his fighting to throw competitors off.

@HbVki

2 жыл бұрын

@@lambchop3916 most of his takedowns are just impeccable timing.. he rarely if ever “forced” a hard double leg takedown like his life depended on it, even striking wise he’s just good with timing and exploiting tendencies, maybe im blind but ive yet to see him brute forcing anyone in any fight (yes i was there during his prime)

@ethanchaney1139

2 жыл бұрын

@@HbVki All technique is just the most effective application of your strength. Being stronger will make your best technique better

Jon D. needs a podcast. That dude is next level genius and fun to listen to.

@optikradio

Жыл бұрын

I want to hear him commentate matches. I'd have a much better understanding of what I'm watching lol

I would bet these two are one of the strongest if not the strongest competitor in each of their weight classes in terms of grappling. So I would say that strength plays a huge role in importance of fighting.

@Nick-cp8wf

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it does. In reality they downplay the overall effects. If every single movment can be measured with a resistance device, there is no doubt the top guys would check a lot more boxes than their competition. Especially in jujitsu.

@JoeIsOut2lunch

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. This is like hot actress saying that looks don’t count. For MMA, being strong is required. Once you’re already strong focusing your efforts I’m becoming even stronger is not an efficient use of time and I think that’s their point, they’re just not putting a lot of emphasis on the fact that they’re already strong.

@tomwilson5721

2 жыл бұрын

Ryan is juiced up tho. Which means he needs it bc he lacks confidence

@duartey8241

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeIsOut2lunch yeah, the training a novice/young athlete should go through is very different from the one the yields the best effect at a elite level of competition. Many people forget about this and end up getting injured or not seeing the best return possible.

@Jefftheman98

Жыл бұрын

A lot of people downplay strength to make people who don’t have it feel better. The way I see it is they should encourage the weaker people to get strong.

I agree with couple of them, being bigger and stronger definitely does help. When i was a white belt, i was 220 lbs bodybuilder, and was able to keep up with purple belts and even some brown belts. I even tapped out some of them. Physical attributes helped me a lot especially in defending attacks

@eamonshields2754

2 жыл бұрын

True but using your strength in the beginning can seriously hinder skill development. If you solely rely on strength to finish moves, you miss out on the important details to finish moves. Once you come against someone as big and strong as yourself you will be at a disadvantage. For this reason big and strong guys should strongly emphasize technique, then apply strength and power later.

@michaelc9161

2 жыл бұрын

If you were a white belt and could tap a purple you’re either a prodigy or those upper belts were promoted prematurely

@dumbfailurekms

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelc9161 he was 220 pounds, u seriously dont think he could tap a 150lb bjj nerd without technique? like all combat sports size is everything. Idk why BJJ nerds have this fantasy that they can use bjj to submit a bigger guy -- not happening. ur not gonna get someones back if u cant even deadlift their forearm

@charlesgauldin8010

2 жыл бұрын

@@randallrobertson7190 you did not tap a black belt, and absolutely a 150 pound bjj nerd could submit somebody that’s 225….you guys have never rolled with anybody worth a damn

@randallrobertson7190

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlesgauldin8010 also look dude. It's literally been stated by the Gracies. For every 10 pounds of muscle you'd better have A belt level on the guy you're fighting. 10 lbs = A belt level. BJJ isn't bs. It's a great fighting art. One of many. Just don't drink the coolaid too much. Beyond A certain age 10 years too old or too young is A belt level of skill to overcome that as well.

These guys are like top of the line legends in the combat world. Amazing to see such greatness, such great minds and such top tier athletes and masters of their craft share their story, their knowledge.

All of this has been said pretty simply before: “if technic is matched, skill for skill, the stronger man will win.”

@ct847

2 жыл бұрын

Can be said the other way round

@darklord220

Жыл бұрын

@@ct847 dang that's actually a good observation brother

@fastemil123

Жыл бұрын

@@darklord220 dang

@darklord220

Жыл бұрын

@@fastemil123 yeah i said dang what of it

@fastemil123

Жыл бұрын

@@darklord220 you’re dang right

Strength 100% helps. There are stronger guys out there with decent technique that can beat weaker guys with slightly better technique.

@martiniversen4898

2 жыл бұрын

Often true, well put.

@stefanocioni2587

2 жыл бұрын

100%, there is a reason there are weight classes - anybody that thinks size doesn't matter hasn't had any actual fights

@wilsonroofer

2 жыл бұрын

Basic day to day if you are stronger then more than likely you will beat anyone weaker. Talking street fights. In a ring with a set time then obviously efficiency and optimal performance per the time set. If someone in the street attacks you and you are stronger than them. You should win. This goes for every creature from ants to elephants

@TheSands83

2 жыл бұрын

Mmm.. I guess but if the smaller guy is much quicker n more agile and endurance the big guy is fucked

@TheSands83

2 жыл бұрын

@@wilsonroofer that’s not true brother

They should carefully distinguish between Size and Strength. A fighter cloned - all things equal - if one is stronger than the other but equal in other ways, strength will obviously help.

@TA-dk5nl

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, they are thinking through the weight class lens, in a real world fight with no weight boundaries, strength matters more.

@seanmcgrady8688

2 жыл бұрын

That's a misleading thought experiment though. If you clone someone (s1) from time 1 (t1) and just tweak them positively to make s2, with no time difference (still t1), of course they'll be better off. There's no question. But that's just not realistic. It takes time to prepare both skill and/or strength. Strength training is important, but specificity with regard to intention moreso. Weight classes are a rough approximation of genetic bandwidth. Some people just have a higher bandwidth than others. That's why they're separate. But how should we train within that bandwidth? Specificity with respect to intention.

@Undoing88

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanmcgrady8688 Thanks for the thought-provoking comment, friend. Well-reasoned and well-said.

@seanmcgrady8688

2 жыл бұрын

@@Undoing88 Blessed are those with kindness on the internet. Take care, pilgrim.

@jumbo9386

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanmcgrady8688 this is not really true. You can take clone 1 and have him continue training exclusively jiu jitsu for 3 months. Now take clone 2 and have him do jiu jitsu, in addition to raw strength training and power training. (Power lifting style, and weightlifting style) and clone 2 will destroy clone 1. Recovery is not a limiting factor here because those styles of strength and power training do not hardly challenge cardiovascular capacity which allows him to maintain his hours with jiu jitsu exactly within the realm of the other persons. And weight fluctuations will not be an issue because you can have the clone 2 training to recomposite the bodies fat and muscle for any muscle building that does occur (which will be minimal.) And so clone 2 vastly outclasses clone 1 by being more physically fit.

When John Daner talks I think everyone is listening! This guy is brilliant!

Amazing how Gordon, with his personality, is so humble around danaher and took to all his ideas.

@jonjonah4288

2 жыл бұрын

Dude is arrogant as fuck lmao what are you talking about, Willis?

@jcjc5702

Жыл бұрын

Wont watch but gordon is obviously on roids so the point is moot since he gets his strength from there without having to invest instead of on technique

@wilsoncardenas6034

Жыл бұрын

@@jcjc5702 he’s one of the most technical fighters of all time?

I feel like one of the important factors that was implicit here but not properly discussed is weight classes. If you didn’t have to adhere to them, would your time be better spent increasing skill or attributes? I feel attribute diminishing returns is more concrete when having to adhere to weight classes

They used to have a TV show called animal face off and had different animals "fight". It was similar to the deadliest warrior show. Both were badass

Two great athletes with a different approach and training methods. Myself personally when I incorporate weights and some kind of strength training I find that it helps my grappling. Everyone's different..

@alexisreed1040

2 жыл бұрын

No bro your right, strength training is HUGE in grappling.

@jumbo9386

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah there is no universe where strength hurts you or even powerlifting style training hurts you. As a matter of fact, the training style they talk about is more likely (though doubtful) to be detrimental than pure raw strength training. Raw strength training is mostly neurological adaptation, and is ONLY positive in that it strengthens your ligaments, tendons, and CNS muscular impulses to maximize power output. Extra muscle (which is grown via high rep training like they were talking about.) Does require more oxygen. However this is pretty irrelevant when weight classes exist. Which is why Kamara usman for example is massive but has godly cardio. Point is, when someone says that strength training is "bad" for martial arts performance, what is actually happening is they are making excuses to not do it because they're bad at it. Same thing as when someone says MMA is useless for self defense because you can eye gouge or ball kick etc etc. They're 99 percent of the time saying that because they are intimidated by learning MMA or because they're bad at it. When someone says "muscle is bad" they're usually intimidated by strength training or they're bad at it. I know this because I used to say it myself. I had trained MMA and was 120lbs. Wouldn't gain weight because i thought it was going to make me slower, less endurance, the 9 yards of myths you hear. Then I put on 10lbs of muscle after finally starting strength training. Immediately I was faster, stronger, had better endurance (not worse) and was making strives. Now I'm up 48lbs since then and still faster stronger and have better endurance. And I can slam a 250lb man on the ground like it's nothing. Don't be one of those MMA guys that perpetuates these myths out of fear, it will only limit you.

@amhawk8742

2 жыл бұрын

Keep it up bro! Same here, I went from 115 lbs to 130 lbs (staying at around -15 percent body fat the last 2 years) and straight away my strength, speed endurance, everything was better! Not quite able to slam 250 guys but can do -200 lbers.

@oldironsides4107

2 жыл бұрын

@jumbo only on boxing

@oldironsides4107

2 жыл бұрын

If you were 120 lb man. That is extremely small. Thats. Little man football in pee wee. Of course you’re going to grow. I think I was that weight in 6th grade.

Lex was all the over the place here.

I say your skill comes first then your physical abilities(strength, stamina, balance and power). When my lifts went up and my rep ranges went up in the weight room/bodyweight exercises my performance was better in wrestling/striking. So physicality certainly benefits but skill is more important.

GSP is right with that point at the end there. it came off weird but he's right, if you like the way you look in the mirror it can breed confidence. if you look like you should be strong, you can pull some subconscious confidence from that

A lot of athletes (like GSP here) seem to downplay the importance of bodybuilding type movements, and mention that they did those types of exercises for a time in the past before moving on to other types of training. But strength and muscle size tend to be very persistent adaptations, so I think these athletes may be underestimating the impact those early muscle gains continued to have on the rest of their careers. As far as whether strength or skill is more important in an MMA fight, I feel like that question sort of answers itself in a sport that has weight classes...

@daxisperry7644

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself.

@IanO3

2 жыл бұрын

It's good for grappling but terrible for striking.

@daxisperry7644

2 жыл бұрын

@@IanO3 how? Bob Sapp destroyed people

@steadyeddy6184

2 жыл бұрын

@@daxisperry7644 having lots of unnecessary muscle mass will make you exhaust quicker and slow your movement speed , gas tank and speed being absolutely crucial if you want to find success in a stand up art. Bob sapp didn’t fight the sportiest competition and was on roids , all due respect.

@muskoks5385

2 жыл бұрын

@@steadyeddy6184 Francis Ngannou, Derrick Lewis, Shane Carwin, young JDS, Ubereem, some of the most eye wateringly powerful strikers in MMA have been absolutely bricked up.

I really like this video: everyone brings up really good points

Skill is more important but skill and strength together beats skill alone

Daniher's a genius... love that "then you're getting diminishing returns on your training investment" so profound - love how he explains things. He's got a great philisophical approach and his command of the English language if fucking brilliant (and a bit better than mine).

@44neelakandasarmak99

2 жыл бұрын

He has got a PhD in philosophy and was a professor before becoming a disciple of Renzo Gracie

@FilipCordas

2 жыл бұрын

Yee 'diminishing returns' that's why Gordon Ryan is juiced to the gills, he just dose it because he loves the taste of that tranboloni.

@FilipCordas

2 жыл бұрын

@@Arminsaf2 I am not attacking it for it if someone started doing testing in bjj the instruments would explode, but Daniher is pretending proper pharmacology isn't one of the most important parts of proper training for pro athletes.

George is such a nice guy! what a great role model.

Excellent discussion.

Lex amazing job you doing! After Joe my second fav. podcast. Just when you asking questions don’t put hand on your face and mouth 😉 always something to improve :)

Danaher looking like a zen master watching children argue about enlightenment. He doesn't want to discourage them, but also wants to strangle everyone in the room.

Wow. I've just learned a lot just by listening to this!

Love this discussion.

What gordon said about weights is perfect exactly how i train weights, hus training more for muscle endurance/ hypertrophy ...medium weight high reps to faliure, id love to know if he does rest pause sets which i think translate great for grappling

I learned jiu jitsu up to black belt not lifting any weights from white to black. I was never really strong. Good cardio, good technique. Now at black belt, I'm lifting weights and holy smokes it makes a huge difference. Huge. Size and strength stack the odds in your favor no question about it.

the Goats of combat! loved this interview

At 3:19 Lex was like : Oh that's interesting, so you're telling me you've been working for strength endurance and that's how you blew up suddenly huh ?

@Carlos-fh8wk

2 жыл бұрын

In a word… steroids

Keeping it real when talking about fedor. I like it

"I look damn good today" every damn day.

Thank you

I just learned who john is today. I can not stop listening to this man speak.

strength twice a week squats deadlift, bench row

GSP morphing into JCVD nicely

The strength itself is a very lose term. What are you determining as strength? How much you can lift, how strong is your explosive power, etc, etc. I think it's strength specific to the activity which is more important.

11:20 - Function over Form. Always !

Size does matter still that’s why there is different weight classes. Technic still matters but so does size and strength. They do have some good points here tho with Diminishing returns. A required weight class really helps with these issues but some still drop 20pounds or more before fight and gain it right back

Strength only doesn’t matter because of the weight class divisions. If it was a free for all, with no weight classes, strength would absolutely matter by far. You can’t jiu-jitsu your way out of fighting a extremely strong man with good mobility

@Mma-ig5ew

2 жыл бұрын

You can jiu jitsu your way out if you are significantly better than your opponent.Minowa at 5ft8 beat Hong man choi who is 7ft2 400lbs.Royce at 170lb beat a 600lb akebono who is one of the best sumo wrestlers and Dan severn a 280lb ncaa d1 wrestler

@0nemoreonelove

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mma-ig5ew back when those big guys had next to no skill. Yea you might be able todo that. But give them just basic understanding of the skill and the whole dynamic changes. Yea you can submit someone 100lbs more then you if they don't even know what you are doing, still going to be hard todo, but if they know how to stop what you are doing be it skull or strength then you are fucked.

@Mma-ig5ew

2 жыл бұрын

@@0nemoreonelove if you think an ncaa wrestler knows nothing you have no combat background.Zulu is a purple belt who is a fucking giant got tapped out by rickson.Im saying big and skilled can still lose to a smaller guy with more skills.

@Mma-ig5ew

2 жыл бұрын

@@0nemoreonelove if you think an ncaa wrestler knows nothing you have no combat background.Zulu is a purple belt who is a fucking giant got tapped out by rickson.Im saying big and skilled can still lose to a smaller guy with more skills.

@kanehtm

2 жыл бұрын

You clearly have never heard of Royce Gracie lol

How the conversation switched from, an analytical discussion about the most efficient way to train in combat sports, to "WHO WOULD WIN A FIGHT BETWEEN A BEAR AND A GORILLA?" so smoothly is beyond me.

John Danaher is huge. Literally. I went to a session in PR with him

Strength training and boxing are very hard to balance as your muscle endurance and explosiveness are compromised for much longer, and you can lose some progress. It can be done but I think it makes more sense for an amature grappler to lift than an amateur striker.

Why don't you periodize your training, strength train rather than training for hypertrophy? Train speed, quickness and agility, explosiveness. Isometric holds, etc?Strength training is incremental just like skill development and should continue just like other attributes training. I mean why not?

An interview with the GOATs: Each one of these men are the Goat's of their field

@Shifty51991

Жыл бұрын

Gordon isn't a goat lmfao just takes roids

This is such a cool discussion. I’ve personally moved away from deadlifts and squats in recent years because of the risk vs reward and how it aligns with my goals. I do bench still purely cause I enjoy it.

Muscles don’t matter….. Gordon and George being ripped and muscular AF hahahahah

@smartwater598

2 жыл бұрын

True lol also george is strong asf he can do gymnastics lol

I'd argue that in combat too much strength at a younger age or in a early point of the career is a nuisence as it prevails the growth of tehnique

great insight as I have struggled with bjj because of my previous powerlifting and bodybuilding. John Danaher said it best, at the point of diminishing return, make a choice. The other issue in the real world is that as we age (I'm 60 yrs old now) the appearance of being menacing can keep you out of a lot of otherwise dangerous situations. A friend of mine who is my age and also lifts and does bjj agreed and decided that for guys our age, we need to look like we could cause a young gun some problems. Now I realize this means nothing on the mat, but in life it does help as most thugs think like animals and size matters. But I gas pretty quickly on the mat, so I have to really focus on remaining calm and NOT go to my strength to get me out of bad situations as it is very easy sometimes to break locks or grips with raw power.

So I think it's important to ask the question in general or when there are weight classes involved. The entire point of weight classes is to much more closely equalize athletic ability. So if I'm stepping in at 170 and the other guy is at 170 are you asking would you rather be more skilled or have the maybe 5-10% more strength advantage that could exist between two fit 170 pound men. If you're into fitness that strength variation is diminishing returns because at some point I would just move out of 170 if I bulked up too much not to mention the messing up the balance of agility and stamina with that increased muscle, so 170 at a given height and body fat sort of is what it is. Where as increases in skill are almost unlimited. Now ask it again, if you're 170, would you rather fight a skilled 170 lb opponent or a 300 lb NFL lineman who's pushing a near 700 lb bench press. Because the strength difference there is going to drastically limit what techniques might actually work. Push the example out even further, would you want to fight a 2,000 lb grizzly bear? The point I'm making is that skill only gets you so far, at some point strength is so out of alignment that you cannot compete, this is often the case between women and men and one of the main reasons men should not fight women.

It is enough to look at how Alexander Karelin trained to stop asking questions whether physical strength matters. He would break any MMA fighter with no problem at all.

@isaacalzate8262

2 жыл бұрын

No he woudnt he cant fight🤣🤣🤣 all he did was greco which isnt even affective in mma

@user-xr6rw2bz3r

2 жыл бұрын

@@isaacalzate8262 Who is the heavyweight champion now? Francis Ngannou . Does he have good wrestling or punching technique? No. He boxed like a drunk octopus and weak at wrestling. Francis is champion because he is physically the strongest (but I repeat that Karelin was much stronger physically) . Moreover, greco wrestling is the strongest background for MMA, Karelin in his prime would break anyone. Karelin could suplex even an elephant.

gordon ryan leftout the part about no drug testing in bjj or jj thats why so many of them are jacked on steroids

@kanehtm

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. "Yeah I love lifting huge weights, because I also do a shit ton of drugs".

Listening to these guys talk is so soothing that I was actually flaking asleep. Which sucks cause I want to hear what they say.

You need both. But if you can push the pace faster than your opponent, if you can do that longer while being stronger it's a massive advantage. So much so most fighters in MMA history have used PEDs to gain that advantage at great costs to life and career.

Danaher expressed quite an important idea about diminishing returns of incremental investments of time and resource into strengh training/ Actually it`s a universal law of non-linearity that has, for instance implications in drug or supplement taking in sports. it`s beneficial to rise your D-vitamin level from 20 to 70 (50 units), but the next 50 units increase from 70 to 120 would be less beneficial for your health and body. almost everything around us works in accordance with this non-linearity law

I think that it is important to note that in most combat sports there are weight classes. I believe that more strength is almost always better but more strength usually means more muscule mass and more muscule mass means more weight. This can put you in a higher weight class. So it is important to know at what point adding more muscule wont help you. This is the point of diminishing returns. I think this depends on the combat sport. For example, I think that wrestlers need more muscule mass than boxers.

I definitely agree with Gordon's mindset way more.

Before we start hypothesizing about which animal , let's start just with a MMA match for Gordon

You can't really develop great skill without getting stronger automatically. Each time you roll you stimulate your body to get stronger. Each time you hit the bag you get a little stronger.

@Dragondude30

Жыл бұрын

Sort of, without resistance your strength is stagnant and at some point your endurance will be stagnant. That's why adding some form of resistance or weight training is important

It is technique & fitness that makes success in professional fighting.

GSP is such a classy fellow. I got nothing but love for him.

Gordon seems to be downplaying the effects of the Mexican supps that are running through his veins.

there is a reason there are weight classes - anybody that thinks size or strength doesn't matter hasn't had enough actual fights - sparring or rolling at the gym means nothing because the bigger guy is rarely using his entire strength - just like when you roll with somebody smaller or weaker than you, generally you will match their strength and try to use technique, but an actual fight is another story

@derekmortensen85

2 жыл бұрын

This is correct. If two people have equal technique but one is stronger the stronger has the advantage. Being able to impose more force on top of good technique will always be an advantage. I wrestled most of my life and there were guys I wrestled with that were technically much better than I was but I’m also extremely strong and that allowed me to negate most of not all their advantage and force them where I wanted to be. At the very top of competition it’s the margins that matter so if you can be even one or two percent better that can be a difference maker. Athletes are best served to continue to develop all qualities to be most effective in their given sport.

@stefanocioni2587

2 жыл бұрын

@@derekmortensen85 100

Strength and skill is equally important, both are enablers to the end product which is winning. Some misconception about skillset training is that it is like a legendary training, you are still using your limbs to perform that guillotine, if you are able to customize your strength training to the required muscles to perform that guillotine such as core muscle rotator cuff trapezoid training you will still be able to improve at a quick level. A advanced customized strength training will always help and diminishing returns in this case will not exist..i am not discounting the fact of performing the guillotine more times will train your muscle memory to find out which way will be better for you and the hiccups that could occur.. other than that both are important in short use your brain

Now does it help to do strength and conditioning more once you’re in your 40’s while training jiu jitsu as compared to when you’re in your 20’s? I do think it can help minimize injury when you make the training more sport specific

The way george pronounced arnold LMAO

If you find a good instructor that teaches you how to get strong without losing mobility or injuring yourself its not up for debate, being stronger and more explosive will improve your game. Competent, intelligent and experienced strength coaches are few and far between and lifting weights is one of the few methods of training/art forms that everybody thinks they know how to do.

@randallrobertson7190

2 жыл бұрын

Look up "knees over toes guy" here on KZread.

@giuseppebiundo6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@randallrobertson7190 is that a rebuttal or just suggesting content?

Georges Str-Pierre a Legend, a real Sportsman.

It reminds me of the GSP vs Parysian bout. Athleticism v Skill.

Strength can override technique and vice versa also conditioning is supplemental to whatever the demand or sport is and it’s amazing how much ignorance still exists on the subject leaving a lot of vulnerability to shady or naive so called strength and conditioning coaches who can exploit many out of their money 💰

in combat sports, skill is useless without strenght. Without a basic level of strength your skill wont have any effect and the stronger you are the easier it will be for you to be effective with any technique you learn- the only exception being the high kick, which also requires a decent amout of flexibility.

@davidbenioff2916

2 жыл бұрын

In combat sports muscles are useless without bones. Because without bones you're just a wiggling worm on the mat........

@supern0is349

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidbenioff2916 your point is?

@davidbenioff2916

2 жыл бұрын

@@supern0is349 u dum

@angelocarantino4803

Жыл бұрын

Without skill, strength is useless, which was proven in ufc 1 when the smallest guy won because of technique. Weight classes were only even added when they evened out the skill playing field. The answer is simple. Do both, Period. Or your an idiot, because both are vital.

@supern0is349

Жыл бұрын

@@angelocarantino4803 purely anectodal- one guy isnt proof of anything. Put him against top muay thai fighter see what happens. When comparing martial arts all we can say is "that guy can beat that guy", because styles do not exist in the vaccum. They are all praticedd by flesh and blood human beings. Royce proved he was a good fighter thats all. BTW im black belt with 15 year of experience. Im also a lighteatherweight. I know EXACTLY how to use tecnique to overcome strength, i use it everyday. My own experience contradicts my argument and yet i still say it because its the truth. Thats called integrity which is something a keyboard warrior who has never steped on that mats will never know.

Gordon says it well about learning to redline, it’s like that’s the skill you learn when you lift, and the adaptations of size and strength are a welcome bi product

I wish they could have brought up the topic of muscle mass as leverage or protection. I really want to know whether a really big biceps allows for certain submissions, like the guillotine to provide a different sort of leverage or pressure point. Likewise, can someone have thick enough neck musculature to make them considerably harder to choke out.

@jeremymossi5795

Жыл бұрын

I was hoping for that too when the topic came up.

You have Splinter, Raphael, and Leonardo now you just need two more amazing fighters to fill out the ninja turtles

@robertocurry1386

2 жыл бұрын

GSP is definitely Leo

I'm amazed at Lex's complete lack of charisma & enthusiasm. Even the suit he wears says no personality

@chrisg1772

2 жыл бұрын

I know, this is the first vid I've seen of his. the guests he has are legendary and he just seems so out of place. And the animal analogy was terribly delivered wtf

@communist-hippie

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly thought the dude was serious asperger for a long time. But hes sharp and witty, and more human in other pods ive seen

@RajAdityaDas

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@michaelvaldez5453

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but he’s a nice dude that can get guests and is doing good for himself. Can’t hate on that man

@mikefitzpatrick43

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelvaldez5453 agreed

John always makes the most sense

God damn when danaher gives his perspective i go like of course! That makes a lot of sense

Just wanna give a little take on the animal thing. You'd be surprised tbh a tiger has much greater range of motion and is quicker. But lions have much much better cardio. A tiger could definitely kill a lion but the longer both cats fight the more it favours the lion. And pretty much in my life aswell as research i have seen 1 tiger vs lion video a real one. It wasn't good tbh people forced them to fight in a pit. But that's what happened.

@badmorty5164

2 жыл бұрын

The lion won

@nunu4evaaa

2 жыл бұрын

the tiger is built & works like an assassin. hides in the forests, stalks , and pounces. the lion lives in the open African savannah , so he’s more muscular, and isn’t as agile, because he doesn’t stalk and hide in bushes.

@nunu4evaaa

2 жыл бұрын

@@badmorty5164 intresting shit tho buddy

Wow, John. Tell us more about this "magic potion" that makes such a difference?!?! 🤨

@donniedoesdishes

2 жыл бұрын

it starts with an S

Simplicity, Efficiency, and Consistency

Watching a Lex clip and I get a Lexus ad, what a coincidence.

Just take a look at Ngannou vs Gane - strength definetly is one of the most important things

@hoybastien

2 жыл бұрын

Nganou used his strength on wrestling/grappling. Not really in striking. Advantage in striking still generally goes to Gane. Except for power strikes.

@omegaboostZ

2 жыл бұрын

Ngannou was so physically strong that Gane just couldn't crank his leg lol. As if jujitsu doesn't work on such a physically strong guy. Ngannou has tree trunks for legs.

@raphaell4808

2 жыл бұрын

@@omegaboostZ Well yeah - JiuJitsu does obviously not work on someone who is a lot stronger than you (at least if he has some kind of a clue what he is doing).

@yacine_mkhlf

2 жыл бұрын

@@omegaboostZ the heelhook had bad mechanics thats why it didnt work, not because he is "strong" . Hahaha

@omegaboostZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@yacine_mkhlf Most probably. Against someone like Buchecha, I'm pretty sure Ngannou would tap. That would in fact be an insane match up.

Arnold SchwarzeWHAT?????

@patrykkuffel2679

2 жыл бұрын

Ummm, isn't that his name? I know what your trying to say but clearly he's not alluding to anything other than his name.

Allocation of strength and mass is also something that should be taken into account.

I love a conversation between 2 people with OCD - Lex and John 🤣

"i think we need joe rogan in this discussion" cheers from argentina

@AleksandrBrener

2 жыл бұрын

They thought of him while trying to determine if gorilla would defeat a bear. I wonder why?😀

@LIC.GAMGUT

2 жыл бұрын

@@AleksandrBrener i think it is because of his knowledge about hunting and his willing to talk about what the f..ck he wants

@AleksandrBrener

2 жыл бұрын

@@LIC.GAMGUT Some people claim that he rolls hard in bjj comparing him to an animal, in a good spirit of cause.

Tiger is bigger than a lion. Honestly, tigers are bigger than horses. Fucking terrifying real life monsters up close. I love them.

@haitianxu

2 жыл бұрын

Tigers are not bigger than horses dude the biggest horses weight over 2500lbs, the world record liger (which are much bigger than tigers) weighs just over 900lbs, it's not even close.

@jalcomics

2 жыл бұрын

@@haitianxu Siberian tigers are 10 feet long which is much bigger than most horses. They may not weigh as much, but when you see one up close you'll realize how fucking huge they are.

@kevingatebridge3656

2 жыл бұрын

@@jalcomics Ur obviously blind

@kentclark9616

2 жыл бұрын

I saw a video of a lion taking on 6 tigers

Tank Abbot- great reference!

Two of the best combat athletes - GSP and Gordon , and the best combat coach - Danaher, and their benchmark of combat athlete greatness is Fedor. Greatness recognises greatness.

You dont do heavy weights because they'll 'tear' the muscle.....but you do high reps to 'really break down the fibers' ?.......huh? Heavy weights are highly effective in increasing stress and don't cause as much inflammation and soreness as high rep work which would get in the way of training BJJ.