Thank you for bringing up that it was weird to see an adult try to "debate" a kid. Definitely made me uncomfortable to see a strange adult get confrontational with a kid. Besides, kids generally do not have much choice in what they eat. Even if this kid did decide to vegan, it wouldn't happen unless the parents agreed as well.

@lr9084

Ай бұрын

What should the vegan activist have said then?

@mariomario1462

18 күн бұрын

He was talking to him. Not that deep

The longer I'm vegan, the simpler our ethics feel to me. Avoid unnecessary harm is so straight forward. Maybe that's why justifications for abuse are so weird. The cornerstone of our philosophy feels acceptable, even to meat eaters.

@daniellittle3249

27 күн бұрын

I am a vegetarian that only eats white meat. I accept vegans as long as they do not force their ways onto other people who slightly disagree with the idea of veganism. Like a gay person forcing a straight person to be gay... No way is that fair. Just like the "adult" asking that kid all those questions. It is simply not fair. Vegans being disrespected is not fair as well.

Asmon always has a milquetoast position... he always wants to be perceieved as "reasonable" when he's actually just lacking knowledge altogether.

@MegaAdeny

Ай бұрын

Seriously. The guy's area of expertise seems to begin and end with World of Warcraft.

@Stormbringer005

Ай бұрын

So true, he often comes off as "reasonable" because the truth is he doesn't care. He isn't passionate about anything except not caring about anything. So his stance towards everything is "I don't really care, you probably shouldn't either." Then everyone spams "TRUE" in the chat.

@ohnoitsthenoooo

Ай бұрын

​@@MegaAdeny he's terrible at world of warcraft too so I'd say his knowledge doesn't even start there

@youtubesucks5131

Ай бұрын

Wish I didnt have to see his unsettling face all over yt

@daniellittle3249

27 күн бұрын

He has a computer company that sell full builds and parts and also has helped in developing at least one game. Everyone has knowledge in different areas. What area do you have knowledge in? or are you the one who is lacking? Does he always try to come across as reasonable? Yes 100% agree with you. But to say he is unintelligent or lacking knowledge is a rather blind judgement.

I hate the argument "but lions eat zebras in nature, so its natural". The moment lions trap zebras in tiny cages in giant factories, where they never get to go outside, and force feed them antibiotic-filled grains they can't properly digest, before they brutally slaughter 100s at a time to be packaged in plastic and shipped around the world so other lions can emotionally distance themselves from their complicity in mass industrialised zebra torture and slaughter, we can talk about comparing humans to lions. There's nothing natural about the way most people eat meat today

@2003master

Ай бұрын

screenshotted your comment because its that iconic

@SeeNickView

Ай бұрын

This is amazing. Thank you

@Amber-oc9ih

Ай бұрын

@@MdoubleHB12 Humans are opportunistic omnivores. Before we started diversifying our diets (and before the genus Homo arose) we got most our nutrition from starchy underground storage organs - plants analogous to potato, squash or turnip. We began consuming animal matter and diversified our plant intake when the climate in Africa became more seasonal in the late Miocene heading into the Pliocene. Yes, we ate raw food at this time - fruit, nuts, bone marrow and shellfish, but when we became competent hunters we were cooking with fire in order to decrease the risk of disease from meat and increase caloric value of plants. It was fundamental to our evolution and it is disingenuous to base arguments for modern diets off the diets of our earliest ancestors. Humans eat a wide variety of food, with some hunter-gatherer groups eating only blood, milk and honey, others only plant matter and others a broad mix of animal and plant products. "Natural" diets are dependent on the local ecological context. Our main adaptation as humans, particularly since we expanded our range to cover earth's surface, is adaptability - the ability to make use of whatever is available. As for our closest extant relatives, chimpanzees predominantly eat fruit, but are also omnivorous and eat nuts, leaves, meat, etc. when available. Bonobos eat about 60% fruit but also consume nuts, seeds, mushrooms, eggs, honey, insects and sometimes small vertebrates.

@Amber-oc9ih

Ай бұрын

@MdoubleHB12 the only "opinion" I gave was that we should not base our arguments for modern dietary practices off of the eating habits of hominins who lived more than 4 million years ago. It us fine for you to disagree but do not mislead others.

@vid9170

Ай бұрын

So we hunt differently than lions, what's wrong with that? Lions ambush their prey, and we go through the hassle of raising those animals to then eat them. You can't debate if it's natural or not. Lions and people are both animals so how can we be unnatural? We still have our bodily functions and because our ancestors chose to hunt now we have the burden to eat meat. We can't eat grass anymore and our appendix is now considered a vestigial organ, just like our back teeth that were used for crushing plants.

I tried telling a friend eating a cow is no different than eating a dog and she got really upset that I would even say that 😐

@bruise_willis

13 күн бұрын

You're right, they are the same. So I would eat both

I’m sitting in bed w my cat right now. No one’s gna eat my lil buddy 😢

@thomasboland540

Ай бұрын

_nom_

@rep-vile

Ай бұрын

its gonna eat itself

@Aanthanur

Ай бұрын

you would, before you starve :)

@shivangi1307

Ай бұрын

Same. I'm sitting in bed with both of my cats. No one's gonna eat my babies.

@EnlightenedMinarchist

15 күн бұрын

Nope. Its just going to eat you when you die alone in your house.

It's easy for people like Asmongold to look smart and cool because his audience is 4th graders. I've only seen the clip montages of cockroaches crawling over him.

I just want to say that the orchid next to you, being perfectly highlighted by the sunlight, is absolutely *stunning*. 😍

He'ś a person who doesn't care about showering or sleeping in a moldy bed, no, he will not care about suffering of any being, including himself

Someone posted something on Instagram a while ago where they said "I dont know how to explain to you that you should care." And that is often times really what it comes down to. What makes us human if not caring about other living beings?

This culture's glorification of amorality is ridiculous.

@Aanthanur

Ай бұрын

what amorality?

@starojunes

Ай бұрын

@@sweetness583 I think it's a symptom of "no ethical consumption under capitalism." And people generally feeling like their choices don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Lots of people are disillusioned nowadays that any progress can be made and would rather cope by sticking to their habits even though it's detrimental to the environment and the animals. They'd rather be amoral than put any effort into changing.

@swoldier7308

Ай бұрын

the ironic part of people that pretend to not care (like Asmongold) almost always use medications for depression (like Asmongold), so its not that they don`t care but that they are cowards

When folks argue against animal rights, they often say stuff like, "Well animals eat animals - what about the lion chasing down the antelope and eating it?" My first thought is that we should strive to be compassionate, and obviously predators like lions have no options. My second thought is, most of the animals we eat are not ferocious predators. Consider the behavior and diets of cows, goats, sheep...

@Aanthanur

Ай бұрын

why should we?

@Andre-qo5ek

Ай бұрын

@@Aanthanur are you asking why we should strive to be compassionate ?

@Aanthanur

Ай бұрын

@@Andre-qo5ek yes. why should we?

@GarudaLegends

Ай бұрын

Animals are food. Grow up

@AwkwardPain

Ай бұрын

@@Aanthanur Yes, why SHOULD we eat animals?

I started my vegetarian diet (now vegan) over thirty years ago basically because my doctor advised me, being a Type-1 Diabetic, that because I was spilling too much protein into my urine, I should cut down on my protein sources. It was only shortly after that I realized that factory farm-bred animals contains loads of foul chemicals injected into them to artificially fatten and age them up. Such institutions also foul up the environment... as well as cause PTSD on the human beings that work in factory farms. But what about animals that were "humanely" raised? Well, I felt that I would have a hard time justifying eating another sentient being just for my pleasure. It's been a combination of health and moral reasons. Before that I had no problem eating other beings because that's the way I was raised. In other words, I was too self-centered and immature to question such a rearing. A child, BY DEFINITION, is immature; someone who, at first, just accepts the rules and regulations without protest because they come from assumed "mature" and "experienced" adults... A person who is "intelligent" is not someone who has actually put his or her "smarts" into contemplating things.

People that say they don't care probably do care. It's only when they get confronted by veganism, which in itself is perceived as criticism of their way of life. Most people that "don't care" would likely be very upset if they saw someone kick and abuse a dog. They just need to make the connection that there isn't a big difference between arguing that it's ok to abuse animals when the one doing so gets pleasure out of it, and consuming animal products because it tastes good.

@hannahmitchell87

Ай бұрын

@@MdoubleHB12 Dude, STFU about Swayze & seek professional help, please

"It tastes good" is the honest reason for most meat eaters. Is that a good moral justification for factory farming (or more humane conditions)? No. Is the fact that it's a bad moral justification going to change most meat eaters minds? Also no. I think advances that make not harming animals more convenient (e.g. lab grown meat) will ultimately have a much bigger effect on people's behavior than moral persuasion.

@rano12321

Ай бұрын

Who gets to decide what's morally right or wrong? You? The superior species always hunts and eats inferior, that's the law of nature. Pretending to think over that to justify morality is morally stupid and arrogance and goes to show ignorance

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos

Ай бұрын

​@@rano12321The middle part of your comment is the naturalistic fallacy (and you used ascientific language for whatever reason). The last part is indistinguishable from rambling to me. Feel free to make it precise. And the answer to the first part is: Moral systems must be rational non-cherry-picked considerations consistent with scientific evidence at the very least. And most people's opinions on this topic violate even these minimal things moral systems have to satisfy (for most people that's because they never honestly thought about it).

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos

Ай бұрын

I agree with lab-grown meat being a key in a societal shift. But I think eating meat is more from convenience not primarily taste. It's convenience in nutrition and convenience in accessibility.

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos Natural fallacy is "natural therefore good". They didn't say that. They just flatly stated how the natural world is. YOU are the one that attributed value to that.

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos

Ай бұрын

@@ChaosSwissroIl Yes, I interpreted it as connecting to the topic. Otherwise I don't really know why it's there. You could alternatively think it's a red herring fallacy (and an ascientific statement about nature). I just went on with the more likely and less obviously irrelevant explanation of their comment.

kids respond very differently to these types of issues. They want to learn about it, but a random stranger on the street is not creating that healthy space. (aside from the awkward dynamic)

Glad that you finally have a video with a take on Asmongold, maybe he will see it and think about veganism a bit more rationally. Or even better, his audience may do that.

@starojunes

Ай бұрын

I doubt he'd think about veganism more rationally, but I do hope some of his audience members might.

One of two videos I've seen of Asmongold before this one was him trying to eat fruit for the first time in his life. I think it's safe to say he'd struggle a lot to be vegan, and would find whatever reason to continue his current habits.

@starojunes

Ай бұрын

@@DKsilverghost he has the money to be a processed junk food vegan. But yea I think he'd just find any excuse to keep eating meat because the vegan versions don't taste the same or as good or whatever. He ultimately doesn't care about the animals.

@haircafekevin

Ай бұрын

He seriously only ate fruit for the first time as an ADULT?! You can't be serious.

@DKsilverghost

Ай бұрын

@@haircafekevin lmao yes, he could barely stomach it

@katelijnesommen

Ай бұрын

Haha, WHAT

Also. Even if the kid really cared. And you convinced the kid. Well a lot of parents wont accomodate the kid in those choices. So chances are he wouldn't be able to become vegan just yet

You're going to end up in a reaction video guaranteed. Prepare to be roasted by his incel echo chamber chat.

Yeah this debate shouldn't have even happened. It's one thing to educate kids and develop their innate curiosity. It's another thing to cut off conceptual branches kids are forming based on their upbringing when they themselves might not even understand those branches. The debater is douchy for debating a kid, and Asmon is douchy for platforming this. Aside from that, totally agree with you Swazy.

@lr9084

Ай бұрын

Sorry if this sounds stupid but what should the right response by the vegan activity be to the kid?

@mariomario1462

18 күн бұрын

Stop pearl clutching.. he wasnt 5. He talked and said what he believed. Don't infantalize people

@mariomario1462

18 күн бұрын

​@@lr9084just talk to them lol he isnt 5

Made me very uncomfortable too - especially bringing up rape as an example ect - he's a kid wtf - talk to his parents about choices if you have too - ive always found being a good example of vegans helps more people become vegan then harassment

I'm clicking the like and posting this comment because I love your channel and I want to help the algorithm. But I can't watch this video. Among the animals I've rescued over the years, some have been cats, and I just can't hear someone talk about eating cats. 😢🤬🙅🏾‍♀️

I’ve always hated the “I respect your veganism, please respect my non-veganism” thing. It’s not very different from saying “You don’t have to own slaves, but don’t try to take away mine”

He was harsh with the child. I was taught to always prepare meat, a starch, & a green vegetable for my family. I was a senior before I learned more about nutrition. I thought you had to eat meat to be strong.

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

You do. To get enough protein to not be malnourished for anything other than a completely sedentary lifestyle you have to eat significantly more food.

@ardenalexa94

Ай бұрын

@@ChaosSwissroIl plenty of people don’t need to eat meat to get enough protein. People with food allergies to many plant based and vegetarian food options wouldn’t be able to be vegan or vegetarian but pretty much almost everyone else that doesn’t have medical issues making it impossible or extremely difficult, can go without meat.

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

@@ardenalexa94 To exist? Yes. The human body will tolerate a surprising amount of malnourishment. Eventually you'll wither away and lose enough muscle such that your resting protein requirements are in equilibrium with your new level of protein intake. Or you could keep it, provided that you're willing to force yourself and eat 2-5 time more food than you currently do.

@ardenalexa94

Ай бұрын

@@ChaosSwissroIl plenty of athletes don’t eat meat. And the professional ones are able to afford the best doctors, dietitians, trainers, so if they can make it work, then yes it’s possible, just not for everyone. Health issues and money, access to vegetarian foods, are exceptions. as well as if a kid were not able to be plant based because of not being able to because of other family members not eating vegetarian or vegan diets. Those are exceptions. But if none of those are the case, many can eat and do well on plant based diets and afford them. as long as research is done and it’s a diet that includes protein, fruits and vegetables. As well as supplements, but even omnivores often need supplements. After watching dominion, I’m not going to eat meat and will reduce other animal products as much as I can. Unless for health reasons I would have to do so, I’m not going to eat meat, fish or poultry again. What you choose to do, is your choice but it’s not one I am going to choose. I will reduce suffering of both people and animals in any way I can. Suffering will never completely stop. We can’t control everything. But we can make changes in our daily lives that in the end make a big difference.

As someone who first started eliminating animals in their diet 15 years ago it is certainly easier now to eat vegetarian or vegan but it's still a hell of a lot harder than to just eat meat. That is the most normalized diet in America and that in itself is a huge problem. Think about all of the people that eat fast food every day, it's very difficult even still to just pop into a random place and hope that they have more than one or two options. Some places don't have any options at all, that's a huge issue. People need to take responsibility yes but they already feel that they go through so much and put in so much effort in every other aspect of their lives, this needs to be made easier for people. You can go into most grocery stores and find staples like beans, grains, fruits and veggies but that's not what the western diet typically consist of. If anything most people are going to want substitutes if they decide to stop eating meat and for some people those are even hard to come by. Just a few options in a sea of meat is also the issue.

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

Yes, the American diet is primarily centered around meat. It has literally always been this way. The only time it wasn't was for ~20 years in the 1600's when we were getting things established. For the past 400 years we have primarily eaten meat because it is cheap, easy, plentiful, sustainable, and tasty. You wouldn't go to Dubai and expect to be able to get bacon everywhere. You wouldn't go to New Delhi and expect to be able to get a hamburger. Just like how they shouldn't change for us, Americans shouldn't change for you.

@WitchOfThePage

Ай бұрын

Lol change for me? When did I say they should change for me. Providing vegan affordable, accessible options wouldn't be for me. Reducing your consumption of meat is not just better for the planet and the animals, also your health. Not just three good reasons right there but this planet will not sustain itself with the way us Americans eat. Not much of anything we do is sustainable. We use an astronomical number of water per day in the U.S. while other countries don't even use a fraction. Everything is taken for granted and no one seems to give a fuck.

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

​@@WitchOfThePage Are you familiar with the water cycle? The water literally falls from the sky, it doesn't just stop existing the moment a cow drinks some water.

Also, lions can't go to the supermarket

@rano12321

Ай бұрын

The vegan food you buy from supermarket aren't made naturally either.

@stephenlurie821

Ай бұрын

​@@rano12321 Mine are.

@PurpleDuneEfa

Ай бұрын

@@rano12321 I don't know how you can fake a potato but ok.

@AwkwardPain

Ай бұрын

@@rano12321 We aren't 'paleo' plant based doesn't mean '100% natural'. My question to you is, why do you feel the need to make a strawman argument?

@annala2956

Ай бұрын

@@rano12321 I buy beans, nuts, fruits, vegetables, grains, and very few highly processed things. Thanks for playing but you failed to make a valid point. Bye

most people need to be coddled, unfortunately. correct.. bad opinions do not need to be respected.

@Andre-qo5ek

Ай бұрын

@@MdoubleHB12 w-t.f , inappropriate response... reporting...

@Andre-qo5ek

Ай бұрын

@@MdoubleHB12 you got an issue buddy....

Great work as always. Would love to see a video about that new paper on the environment and meat consumption!

@erickgreen2361

Ай бұрын

Crop agriculture has a negative impact for the environment compared to pasture lands and no, getting rid of animal agriculture wouldn't reduce crop agriculture but would increase it. Check out Garland Farms and Antiwar Mindset for details....

He thinks beef jerky is healthy cuz its a low fat high protein snack.

@hippieagathachristie

Ай бұрын

So is roasted edamame

@samuelroth544

Ай бұрын

Im vegan, but what is incorrect about that beef jerky statement?

@MsAussieSheila

Ай бұрын

@@samuelroth544 Only thing I can think of that people would put into the unhealthy category is the amount of salt. It is very high sodium. Whether it actually is healthy or unhealthy depends on the rest of a persons diet.

@zukodude487987

Ай бұрын

@@samuelroth544 High sodium, processed, cholesterol and its meat.

@monemori

Ай бұрын

​@@samuelroth544Processed red meat. Something is not healthy just because it's high in protein!

Thank you for doing this video. As far as this whole subject goes, I believe as the climate conditions get worst there will be a point where humanity can no longer hide the fact that we are killing our species, and the world, with the way we sustain ourselves and produce goods. Time will tell if we as a whole can change for the better or not.

Glad you taught me about chronometer.

we evolved eating other animals, its nature, it might change over time. but most people just dont have this empathy for other species. the vegan arguing with the kid was an idiot.

Is it about outgrowing indifference? Or conserving the innate care and compassion?

Lets drop the "omg hes a kid" pearl clutching. Dude was like 11 or 12 and talked to him. Hes wrong but its not good to infantalize and he can hold his own. He isnt 5. Cringy behavior

.... I don't think many humans are better than animals 😅

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 great logical conversation

kind of weird when you search on youtube "why you should be vegan" lots of the videos recommended are anti-vegan..

@erickgreen2361

Ай бұрын

Maybe cuz you shouldn't be vegan?

@synchronium24

Ай бұрын

@@erickgreen2361 I'm a meat eater. There's nothing wrong with being vegan.

@ThingsYoudontwanttohear

Ай бұрын

Controversy gets more engagement. There are several vegan channels now that target the meat eating crowd with "anti-vegan" titles like 'vegan gets owned by...'. I imagine the anti-vegan channels hacking the algorithm in a similar manner or the algorithm does it automatically to drive up engagement.

@ThingsYoudontwanttohear

Ай бұрын

​@@synchronium24Thanks for sticking up for a group you do not belong to. I wish more people would.

@ThingsYoudontwanttohear

Ай бұрын

@@MdoubleHB12 Just come out of the closet already. You don't have to pretend to be a vegan that cares about animals.

For me milk from cows agrees with me more health-wise than vegan milks so I do drink it. But eat very little meat, I never buy it but will eat it occasionally when someone else in the family has some they don't want and I don't want to see it go to waste.

Can you please talk about Hank Green’s video “why people suck”

This woman(?) is saying a human life is worth the same as a chicken lmao

Definitely heard "cat curries" in the "at Curry's" ad I got

I can understand Vegans not respecting animals being killed I myself feel the same if any of the meat it wasted, that's just not respectful to mother nature which provides for all. What does a vegans think of how the Aboriginal use to live???? It wouldn't surprise me if Aboriginals are even more respectful of mother nature than most vegans.. nope wouldn't surprise me at all.

Most lions have PhD's. Why do most humans not have Phd's if animals are to be imitaded?

@rano12321

Ай бұрын

Then why do people procreate just like other mammals? Perhaps somethings in life are outside of human control and everyone imitates it as it supports your survivor? You do realize how much insects and microbes you'd have to kill to manufacture your vegan food right?

Can we just comment on how gross it is to quite aggressively argue with a lad who looks about 12, and especially start bringing up stuff like rape. Not making us look great is it...

@thedarkness111

Ай бұрын

Oh lol she literally said it right after I commented....

Probably did not help the perception of vegans. My take on these "impromptu" vegan debates is that they look like an episode from reality TV which is all fake. I have a feeling if you really asked a group of random people you would not get any excuses or rationales, you will just get the Tristian Tate "I don't care" answer which pretty much ends the discussion. But then the vegan influencer would not have any content to show on their channel.

Hope you get better soon!

Asmongold did a "challenge" where he ate real fruit instead of fruit-flavored candies and treats and he was grossed out by almost every fruit. The guy is the weirdest content creator with the most off-putting takes. Not to mention he's literally extremely gross.

@AnDr3w066

27 күн бұрын

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You're getting sucked into hype machine, lol. Fun video. ❤

Do people really like the taste? Most people don't enjoy a plain piece of chicken. It's dry and tasteless. Seasonings, sauces and/or breading are required to make it taste good. Even with a burger patty, most people wouldn't eat it by itself either. They need bread and numerous other toppings, sauces and seasoning to really make it palatable. If the taste was that great, all the extras wouldn't be necessary so I don't even buy the "taste" argument as a valid reason.

@stefanib1040

Ай бұрын

So true! A lot of people fall for the propaganda that "poultry" meat is healthy (because it's not red meat), so they opt to eat chickens over cows or pigs as a deluded health choice.

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

Yes, plain chicken is incredibly tasty. Your tastebuds are just run through.

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

@@stefanib1040 People eat chicken because it's 1/4th the cost and half as good.

@stefanib1040

Ай бұрын

@@ChaosSwissroIl I mean yeah, they also eat it because it's cheap; there can be more than one reason lol

@stefanib1040

Ай бұрын

@@ChaosSwissroIl Imo chicken tastes like sinkwater, I thought this long before I went vegan when I was eating meat every day. Seitan or pressed tofu is just as good without that weird metallic taste.

I want to see the anthropocentric reasons for not eating animals.

@Cancellator5000

Ай бұрын

It's terrible for the environment (CO2, methane emissions, ocean dead zones, deforestation, etc.), public health (food poisoning, virus and bacteria incubators, antibiotic resistant bacteria, etc.), worker's health (slaughterhouse workers suffer health and mental health complication from their work) and it's probably not good to eat tons of them diet wise because the so called dietary blue zones all traditionally ate something like 1/10th the animal products compared to western countries. Anthropocentrism is bs. Without a functioning biosphere we're nothing. And to manage to maintain that we've gotta respect other creatures in that biosphere, go figure.

@theantinatalistinformant

Ай бұрын

@@Cancellator5000 There are better ways to protect the environment. The most effective way to protect the environment would be to reduce the human population. Veganism is not a prophylactic.

@Cancellator5000

Ай бұрын

@@theantinatalistinformant It isn't a prophylactic, but it actually is the single best way individuals can act to protect the environment. Why not population control? Population control in the way you suggest would be a good way to cause society to collapse. A society where there are significantly less working age adults supporting a large elderly population is a recipe for disaster. You must realize the irony of saying you care about what's in it for humans and then when I give you the reasons you advocate for less humans.

@theantinatalistinformant

Ай бұрын

@@Cancellator5000 If there were fewer humans to consume animals, the problem would take care of itself. Your solution is to impose life onto people and then shame them into living a miserable and deprived life as a vegan. The only reason that factory farming is necessary is because of overpopulation. Breeding human beings into hell into order to sustain the current generation is immoral. No one should have to suffer and die for your benefit. There are other ways to take care of the current generation, including phased our human extinction and A.I.

@Cancellator5000

Ай бұрын

@@theantinatalistinformant But lets look at the numbers to see what amount of population control would be needed to protect the environment the same amount. There are other environmental issues where eating animals is worse, but I'll just focus on GHG emissions. On average vegans emit 75% less individually. So vegans would be equivalent to meat eaters if they were having 3 kids. Ideally we would do both; eliminate or drastically reduce consumption of animal products and have 0-2 kids to help reverse population growth gradually enough that it isn't catastrophic. The main benefit of veganism as an approach is you could shift the food system quite quickly whereas population control would have to be done gradually over several generations and we don't have that kind of time for a major climate fix.

I love when you express your deep compassion for people and animals, like you did so beautifully toward the end of this video! If you ever want to collab, I’d love to have a conversation about what effective vegan activism looks like and how to not fall into being a d*ck! (You do this perfectly, I’ve been watching you for 7+ years!)

You make too much sense. Thank you!

nope, why would somebody care? It has to be important to that person. It may be but it's below second page. There are green reasons to eat vegetarian or vegan, there are ethical reasons. But priorities are different.

I will also point out that I highly doubt Asmon will react to your video, in great part because you can explain all this with a good demeanor so it's hard for him to "get the upper hand" on "Vegan fanatics". His audience also contributes for this and he knows it so he will not get any clout for competing with facts.

I thought you didn't show kids on your channel?

The only problem is caring about animals that aren't yours, why don't you adopt these animals and make them life their full life?

Yeah i care about my health and i dont want to be weak with back problems, hair loss, pale and ruining childrens health like swayze. I LOVE MEAT, liver butter heart and brains.

@teradvantar3397

Ай бұрын

Indeed

Most people don't care. Deal with it

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I don't personally think that eating animals is unethical. I am a meat eater and I love animals. I have grown up with cats and dogs. I don't really think that there is a difference between our pets and animals that we consume. A pig is smarter than a dog and more emotionally intelligent. Killing and consuming animals is in our nature and it enables us to actually evolve past our primate ancestors because we spend less time gathering food. That being said I believe there is something bad going on with the meat industry. But the solution is not to stop eating meat. We can be as ethical as possible by consuming meat. And provide a good life for the animal before we consume it. And there is nothing wrong with consumption it's in our nature.

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos

Ай бұрын

By what you said you seem to agree that most/many people (that think eating dogs is wrong but not pigs) are inconsistent. Am I right in that assumption? I think you have such a inconsistency, too. You use the word "love" but you're okay with killing the ones you love for sensory pleasure and/or convenience. In no circumstance would I call that consistent with "love". Your last sentence is the naturalistic fallacy. A lot of morally horrible things are in our nature.

@singularity9764

Ай бұрын

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos If the circumstances require me to, I would kill my dog for my survival, and yes it's because I value my own and my family life more than the pets life. I know that some people will be disgusted by this and that is ok. That fact doesn't negate my love for my dog, I know how I feel and I don't need someone to tell me otherwise. It's very unsettling for you to assume that people consume meat only for sensory pleasure or convenience and not for survival. This notion only paints meat eaters as horrible humans and if you have that believe it's no wonder that you consume plants only. A plant based diet is possible for those who can afford it, but I guess you are a horrible human for feeding your children and having a minimum wage job, and make just enough to get by. And no its not a natural fallacy that's just our nature and there is nothing wrong with that. If you really think we can sustain 8b people on plants alone you are sadly mistaken, that is exactly the reason that we need to farm animals. That being said I repeat myself when I say that we need to be more ethical in our meat consumption, I fully understand how bad the meat industry is and how damaging it is to the environment. But plant consumption is as well. And you said something about convenience, if you really think everyone has the time to graze grass like a cow all day the structure of society doesn't allow most of us even we wanted to. Meat is more nutrient dense and that makes it an advantage for our consumption especially for many people that can't afford a McDonalds salad.

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos

Ай бұрын

@@singularity9764 Most meat eaters don't need to eat meat for survival. It's just the reality of things not some inaccurate picture. Meat is with very few exceptions consumed for pleasure and convenience. You're mad at the reality of meat eating. Think about that. Plant based diets are cheaper. Even though meat is heavily subsidised (even by vegan taxes - which I don't agree with). What you're probably thinking of are fancy new vegan meat replacements. Old vegan meat replacements (TVP) or what people ate instead of meat like seitan or whole legumes (tofu, tempeh only if their consumption in thr country is high) is way cheaper than meat. My grandparents grew up really poor. They had a farm. They sold meat and milk (expensive) and ate plants (cheap) most of their life. The naturalistic fallacy is to think "natural therefore okay". That's exactly what you're saying. I say it again: It's in the nature of humans to do a lot of horrible things. "...sustain 8b people..." Think about what livestock eat. Look it up. Livestock is a sink *not* a source of food. By eating livestock we grow more food (in kcal and g of protein) we could eat directly abd fred that to livestock. The soy bean production alone would provide enough protein for 8b humans wouldn't we feed almost all of it to livestock.

@singularity9764

Ай бұрын

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos I am going to look it up thank you for mentioning it. But if I'm not mistaken meat is a source of food if you take into account that most of the food a cow consumes cannot be digested by humans. Perhaps if you can provide me with some evidence I will reconsider my stance.

@singularity9764

Ай бұрын

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos and about the fallacy. It's not only that it's happening in nature it's the fact that we as humans have been consuming meat forever. And it's accepted by society and even selebrated in different cultures. I'm here because I am a person that actually considers changing my life style and I thank you for challenging my beliefs

Dude is just a rage-baiter.

Also, humans having be r@ping each other, I don't know anyone that does that. But almost everyone I know eats meat. The interviewer is very shameful comparing a human and an animal

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There are people starving right now, and yet you own superfluous luxury items... Just like how you don't care about the starving people and like your superfluous luxury items, I don't care about animals and like to eat them. I'll give your views more credence when you display that you care about humans as much as you pretend to care about animals.

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos

Ай бұрын

@@ChaosSwissroIl She cares about animals the same way she cares about starving people. She does not actively take away food from people so that they starve and she does not actively kill animals. The money she spends on luxury items is also not spend to save animals. But even if it were different, how is that remotely relevant to the point? Do people have to be poor and minimalists for their points to be considered by you? That's a great way to never consider being wrong about a moral issue.

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos It's very simple. Humans are more important than animals. It's just that simple. If she demonstrated that she cared about humans enough to forgo entirely fruitless luxuries, then I'd recognize her moral objections in regards to animals as being legitimate and sincere because she'd demonstrated her sincerity in regards to an infinitely more important issue.

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos Because she hasn't demonstrated sincerity about the infinitely more important issue, I know that she isn't sincere and her objections aren't legitimate in regards to this lesser issue.

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos

Ай бұрын

@@ChaosSwissroIl That makes absolutely no sense. Try to formulate it as a sound syllogism if it's correct (and very simple).

@ChaosSwissroIl

Ай бұрын

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos i believe you are now pretending to be daft, so I'm going to stop wasting my time on you.

First off, I agree that it's very weird that he's talking like this with a child....But in my opinion, if there was a predator out there that's favorite animal was humans, then I would be okay with dying to that. I've always been of the opinion that animals taste good and so I eat them. Plants have studied to care in their own way about their sounding 'Family'. For instance if a tree is inured, then the nearby trees will help sustain it's life so it can survive, even mycelium have a very 'basic' yet complex form of communication that and although they don't feel in the same way we feel, they can talk to eachother, respond to their environment and remember stimuli. There is also the fact that plants may seem like an animal friendly way to eat and live, but, although often ignored, the amount of animals that get killed to farm plant products is astoundingly high. The billions of insects and rodents that die to make "vegan Friendly" food.... for instance a lot of vegans are okay eating natural figs, even though they contain dead animals since that's how they're generally pollinated. TLDR. I eat what I eat because I like what I eat, and if there's a giant spider out there that squashes me because of all the spiders I've killed that have invaded my turf? Well that's just bad luck for me.

@oldmate5184

Ай бұрын

The reasons vegans will eat figs is because the pollination process is part of that wasps natural lifecycle and they aren't being exploited or interfered with in order for it to occur. The associated wasp deaths are how more wasps are born. So if there were no figs, there'd be no wasps.

@DemyrNox

Ай бұрын

All the points you bring up are very often brought up. 1. Plants can't feel pain, they are not sentient. Yes, some plants communicate in different ways, but "communication" doesn't mean anything. Machines communicate with each other in ways we've programmed them to, yet no one is arguing for machine rights. Reacting to stimuli is also something that you can do without any sentience. 2. Yes. Animals die when harvesting crops. Most vegans know that, and it's unfortunate, but we still need food. The question is not "can I live in a way that will never kill an animal ever?", it's "Is there a way to greatly reduce my impact in terms of these deaths?", and the answer to that, is yes. You see if animals killed for their meat grew up sustaining themselves only on air, then I think you'd have a reasonable case that eating meat is actually more ethical. But that's not how things work, animals are actually fed most of the plants we produce, for every day of their lives. This means that if your objective is to reduce animal deaths, then it is exponentially better to not eat meat. 3. About your first point There are predators out there who would probably eat you if you wanted. Yet you haven't fed yourself to them. Now maybe you just mean "if I was unlucky and got caught by a tiger I'd be fine with it in an abstract sense", but that's very different from actually being fine with it. (Unless you are suicidal, in which case I hope you can get some help,) I'd imagine you'd still want to live. Now you couldn't argue your case to a tiger, but let's suppose an alien species with human-like intelligence who thinks humans are tasty, and don't view our lives as important. Do you truly believe that they are correct, and that because they want to eat us, then we should be okay with it? Because I don't. I'd argue that even if they were ten times more intelligent than us, human lives are worth living and they should let us live.

@guanxinated

Ай бұрын

The points you bring up are rational and justified, but I encourage you to dig deeper as these arguments have already been addressed and rebutted by vegans in painstaking detail over the years. Earthling Ed, for example, has written a whole book on the topic and you'll find hundreds of hours of video on his channel where he goes over dozens of arguments against veganism. For example, you mention insects and rodents. Even granting you that (which I wouldn't) some collateral 'damage' is inevitable, meat production still requires us to grow massive amounts of soybeans and silage, etc., which are then fed to cattle. It's a highly inefficient process that produces collateral damage to insects and rodents on the one hand, and deliberate harm to animals on the other. Hence, if our goal is to minimize animal suffering of all kinds (with a reduction in the suffering of highly sentient beings like cows, pigs, chickens, dolphins, whales, horses, etc. being our top priority) then adopting a plant-based diet is the logical way forward. Besides, while vertical farming using hydroponics still isn't price competitive for many use cases, at least we have that option and further work can be done to fully minimize harm to insects and rodents. Lab-grown meat is another promising technology, although I'm not totally sold on the idea due to the negative health outcomes that arise from the consumption of meat and animal products. I want people to be healthy and quite frankly, we currently spend over a $1 trillion globally every year mitigating entirely preventable illnesses. Imagine what we would be able to accomplish if we took $1 trillion and used the money to built massive GPU clusters for protein and atmospheric simulations. That's 33 MILLION state of the art H100 GPU units every single year. By comparison, Meta, which is one of the leading players in the AI industry, has the equivalent of 600,000 H100 GPUs. We're talking two orders of magnitude greater than that every year! It'd probably still take decades, but we'd probably find a cure for cancer and a way to reverse climate change.

@DemyrNox

Ай бұрын

oh and just because I thought it was interesting and never considered it, I looked it up, and commercial figs are not pollinated by wasps, so there's no problem with them. If they were I probably wouldn't eat them personally

@TasteOfButterflies

Ай бұрын

You would not be okay with dying to a predator lol, you would run from it and struggle and scream from fear and pain as it sank its teeth into you. Because your aversion from pain and injury, and the instinct to preserve your life, are deeply ingrained and powerful and they don't care what you're philosophically okay with in the abstract. If the thing you're "okay with" was actually happening, you would do anything to prevent it.

I eat meat for health, the fact that it tastes good is not relevant. I tried to eat only plants for 2 years for health and that failed :)

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos

Ай бұрын

You can eat an unhealthy diet without animal products. That's true and that's the information you gave. It's even more nutritionally convenient to include meat in your diet and society fortifies food in a way for heavy meat eaters but not other dietary patterns. You need to be able to get scientific information to do it right. Not all people can do that. Some fall for unscientific beliefs (frutarian, raw veganism) or miss important things (like B12, iodine, ... ). But that does not make meat healthy (vs. health span, longevity, ...). Fish is healthy although I disagree with the consumption morally.

@Meathead-10810

Ай бұрын

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos How the hell do they fortify my steak? I only eat fresh meat, almost zero processed foods and zero plants! I cheat with chocolate every few months :) And that's not fortified either!

@DemyrNox

Ай бұрын

@@Meathead-10810 they feed supplements to the animal

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos

Ай бұрын

@@Meathead-10810 So you're one of the people that go from fad to fad.

@Meathead-10810

Ай бұрын

@@DemyrNox Mostly the ones that are factory farmed although those are the ones I eat the most of :) I don't worry much about hormones and supplements fed to animals, milk is full of baby cow growth hormone so....