This is great! I really need to do my review on this still! Love your artwork btw.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

All the artists are credited in my description. I look forward to your review!

Spoilers I think Shallan’s mother HAS to be a herald after this prologue.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

I was skeptical of that theory, but now it fits so well! It must be it, or Sanderson is playing us all.

With this prologe and the death rattle (I'm standing over the body of a brother. I'm weeping. Is that his blood or mine? What have we done?) I think we may see gavilar as Odiam's champion. I could also see this prologe being a red Haring. But the death rattle (He must pick it up, the fallen title! The tower, the crown, and the spear!) Make me think that kal and dalinar aren't going to finish book 5 on a high note.

Stormfather making his own Heralds? Ok, I want to see this.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

Its like a beautiful train wreck. I can't watch, but I can't look away.

@emilioi.valdez6680

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI Apt. But if Void Stormfather is actually going to be a thing, guess we nearly got a Herald of Odium.

really like the idea that Ishar is the stormfather here, because him feeling the death of Chanah makes sense as you say

@MeMySkirtandI

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Some times I wonder if a lot of trouble in these types of stories if they had fables telling you just how bad an idea it is to unleash hell to get to heaven.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

Gavilar is one of those 'wise guys' who are too smart to listen to fairy tales.

@animalia5554

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t help quoting Abridged Gohan here “This sounds like a very dangerous idea that could very easily backfire.”

I have been expecting we would see more of Gavilar outside his prologue as well, but this dead herald stuff is a tasty meatball. How does a child take out a herald? With a child sized Shardblade I guess.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

WoR is pretty detailed. Though how big Shallan’s blade was was unclear.

@smaug1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI mothers soul in the safe could be her mothers blade? No that doesn't make sense as she would have left her blade. But where did Shallans other sharable end up?

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

@@smaug1234 Hmmm. I do not know. My instinct says its not the herald blade since the Shin have those. But there is something very weird about the "mother's soul" line. very weird.

I think the stormfather AND Tanavast were acting together since tanavast shouldn`t have died until the oath pact was broken, and it only brakes when one of the heralds "breaks" with out the ten of them being in Braize, I think... thats why when a herald dies, Tanavast freaks out saying "A Herald… A Herald has died… No. I am not ready… The Oathpact… No. They mustn’t see. They mustn’t know…"

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

Tanavast the bearer of Honor's Shard who everyone thinks died when the shard splintered? This was so interesting, that I had to go check the 17th shard. Unfortunately, Sanderson has confirmed that Tanavast the man is very dead. But you had me going! Good show! wob.coppermind.net/events/168/#e10560

@elArqui22

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI yes, he Is very dead NOW, but we dontknow when he died, and even if he died before, like the preservation shard did, he could be hanging around after death

@angle6882

2 жыл бұрын

@@elArqui22 But Preservation was not splintered

The thing about the final truth being "I brought about the desolation" is... that it's not true. I think it would betray the fundamental idea of the Oaths if the ultimate Truth of a Lightweaver was "I am taking responsibility for something that isn't at all my fault." Killing her mother, fine, though as Hoid points out, what she really needs to learn is, I don't deserve to be punished because of this. I was being attacked, and I have the right to defend myself. I was a child and there was nothing better I could have done. Shallan had absolutely no reason to think that refusing to let her mom kill her would proximately cause a Desolation. Saying that Shallan is the reason for the Desolation is a terrible Truth, mostly because it isn't True. By that measure, it was her father's fault, for having a kid that was a surgebinder. It was Nale's fault, for convincing Chanarach to kill her own daughter. It was the fault of her ancestor for whatever made them a noble, starting the family line, without which Shallan wouldn't have existed, at least not in this form. There was never a point where Shallan knew that her actions would make a Desolation any more likely or even that they'd harm anyone other than the person currently trying to murder her. It's lunacy to even say she's responsible. If I'm walking down the street and I'm flipping a coin, and by chance that coin happens to reflect sunlight into a driver's eye, who is driving a truck full of toxic waste they didn't bother securing, and that moment's distraction causes them to get into a crash and now toxic waste is spilling over the town... would you say that this is the fault of the person who flipped a coin? That's the person who bears the responsibility for it? That somehow they should have known "flipping a coin" was going to kill thousands of people?

@MeMySkirtandI

5 ай бұрын

I said Shallan was instrumental, as in she was an instrument which contributed to the Desolation. You are correct just because she was an actual cause does not mean she is a proximate cause. Your coin flipping case is a great example of how an actual cause is not always a proximate cause (Palsgraff is the standard story). But, Shallan is not as emotionless and rational as us third-party observers. Just because she may not actually be guilty of causing Desolation, doesn't mean she won't feel guilty. So the Drama!

@macmay3042

5 ай бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI right, but that's not a very advanced truth. Her saying, i feel responsible when I'm not is more self delusion. I get that it would be natural for a person to feel that way. But the higher Ideals are supposed to be more difficult and more complex. Just saying, i feel everything is my fault, would be a pretty poor final Truth for Shallan. Like if Kaladins last Ideal turns out to be, i really do have to protect everyone, all the time.

@MeMySkirtandI

5 ай бұрын

@@macmay3042 I don't think her next truth would be taking responsibility for the desolation, but figuring out where she stands in relation to this thing she (unintentionally) caused. Anyway, my thoughts have evolved a bit on this theory which I'm eager to hear your thoughts on: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fX6lmKl-j7Hdqbg.html

Ive been very resistant to the fake stormfather theory and you changed my mind

@MeMySkirtandI

10 ай бұрын

Thanks! That’s rare to hear on the internet.

So Pailiah and Shalash had acess to Illumination and we know Shalash was in the castle because the her statue was destroyed. There for it is likely that the "Stormfather" that was actually Shalash indisguse

does anyones has a link to the prologue?

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

Here’s a link to the full text: www.brandonsanderson.com/prologue-to-stormlight-5/

@afasdfasafd314

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI thanks!

What is the picture at 9:34? I can't find it.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 ай бұрын

It's Oathpact Abandoned by Petar Panev. He used to have his art up on Artstation, but it appears he took it down due to AIs scanning the site. But its still available on the coppermind. coppermind.net/wiki/Coppermind:Artists/Petar_Penev#/media/File:Oathpact_Abandoned_by_Petar_Penev.jpg

with this prologue i think i’ve figured out shallans alters weird as that is so which personality was the first lie it was radiant that personality coincides with her first murder chanarach was probably raising shallan to be a radiant and radiant was created from the ideals and fantasies of a child with a nahael bond next came veil for the second murder the death of the female pattern she was the one who hid shallans pain of that event and closed off her memories to protect her finally the shallan of books 1-4 partially she was created during the death of her father this is the one i have a harder time explaining the lie is ignorance

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

I really like this theory. I like Shallan as a character by I don’t really connect with her like I do with Bridgeboy. I very much appreciate this method of understanding her.

@animeproblem1070

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI i like kaladin more than shallan i just think i’ve finally understood her lies don’t get me wrong she’s a good character she’s just not the guy who fought the storm and the man who jumped and lived he had everything against him and stood strong she’s literally just against herself most of the time which is why it’s hard to get a liking for her because she’s lied more about herself than any of her truths have revealed

@animeproblem1070

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI i would like to clarify the last one as it’s a poor explanation shallan is the original she is also an alter herself she is the one who claims ignorance yet knows what she’s done and what was done and she still claims to herself and others that she doesn’t know she does and yet her lies to herself have become another truth not the actual truth just the lie that she’s ignorant

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

@@animeproblem1070 Yes, Shallan’s fakery has created lies about her true self which are more subtle than the alters but still a sign of trauma

Yes, Gavilar was absolutely planning to attack Eshonai's people; he told her so. He believed that bringing back the Voidbringers would turn the listeners into an army of voidbringers which he would murder in glorious combat.

@MeMySkirtandI

5 ай бұрын

I see no problems with this plan. None whatsoever.😏

@macmay3042

5 ай бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI obvy stupid plan, but it does mean Nale wasn't lying

@MeMySkirtandI

5 ай бұрын

@@macmay3042 Mmm, still not sure about the implication that he would murder her people. Gavilar did what to become a Herald to break. Maybe Ishar(father) told the lie to Nale. However, the best lies are often mixed with truth.

@macmay3042

5 ай бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI i mean, he expressly planned to battle them forever. I guess not exterminate, but he expected to be in charge of the conflict and be killing them, forever.

Yeah, I agree that it's probably that pesky Herald impersonating the Storm Father.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

It makes the most sense. But now after addressing the question of who? I want to know why? Even if it was his madness, he must have had a reason.

@funkehfunkeh

2 жыл бұрын

I also want to know how! As bondsmith he doesn't have any lightweaving abilities. How does he appear that way? And how does he talk in Gavilar's head?

@mohaamer6866

2 жыл бұрын

We have seen that he has amazing control over his powers, with millenia to learn. Also, I think it was mentioned that the heralds are basically spren, maybe that, combined with his powers of connection, could lead to the ability of impersonating an actual spren and talk inside someone's head. As to why he would do such a thing, he must have known that the true desolation was coming, and thought that replacing one of the heralds with someone as strong as taln, they could extend the oathpact for ages to come.

The books i'm most excited about right now are W&W4 and SP4, but SA5 is close.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

I can't fathom being more excited for SP4 than SA5. But both are going to be great!

@yomanyo327

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI It's the book that the Cosmere was made for: "How do I exploit the magic system to get what I want?", it's basically a "what would you do if you were transported into the Cosmere" book

The Assassin in Skirts will forever haunt my dreams at night.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

excellent

@longshot9757

2 жыл бұрын

Not even Shardplate can keep me safe

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

@@longshot9757 But a wheel of cheese might. If you are unfamiliar with the reddit theory (WoB approved) then just know I like cheese. Parmesan especially.

@longshot9757

2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating... can't say I've read that particular WoB. I do not recall milk of any kind mentioned across the Stormlight Archive, which makes sense, given the crustacean nature of all Rosharan fauna outside of Shinovar. The Shin might have cows, and thus, access to milk, and thus, access to cheese, which could explain that. I suppose cheese would be a Shin delicacy? Regardless, rest assured I now sleep in the dairy section of the family delicatessen. [EDIT] Hang on... since cheese is primarily composed of various healthy bacteria, which are living, would that interfere with a Shardblade's cutting capacity? But that wouldn't make sense, then it wouldn't function at all as intended. Bacteria is everywhere. Still, cheese and yogurts are far more saturated with them, so maybe...?

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

@@longshot9757 I believe it was the ratio of micro-organisms to the mass of cheese, against the amount of force a blade needs to physically push apart the object on the 2nd cut. This was a real niche conversation on cremposting on reddit, so most sane people are unfamiliar with the scientific breakthrough. Also, sow's milk and leather are common on Roshar.

Wasn’t shalon’s intro in book one saying that she started the end of the world?

@MeMySkirtandI

6 ай бұрын

yes, yes it was. Please come back on Wednesday, as I give that thread a thorough breakdown. (literally editing now)

Theories were great, but the damn Sillyville clip threw me for a loop

@MeMySkirtandI

7 ай бұрын

Noted. Does it seem like I use too many clips?

@cpaulwick

6 ай бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI No, works for me.

@cpaulwick

6 ай бұрын

I’m on the side thinking Ishar was controlling the storm father. I have a theory a new oath pact will be formed releasing the heralds (except Taln and Shalash), but they will now be mortal, forcing those that survived to help humanity….or rule them.

@MeMySkirtandI

6 ай бұрын

@@cpaulwick that’s a great theory! It definitely appears that the Oath Pact is going to be a big deal in book 5.

Gavilar speaking to the Stormfather? This is interesting.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

*A being he believes is the stormfather. I cannot fathom if Dalinar's spren has been double crossing Team Honor this whole time.

@emilioi.valdez6680

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI Hmm. But I do like the impostor spren theory. Perhaps Void Stormfather?

I could be wrong, but I read the part about ba ado mishram differently. Not that she could rival honour, but the lord of scars.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

So you think Kalak betrayed the Lord of Scars? Fascinating!

@rock53355

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI I'm going to listen to that part again. There is so much meaning behind every word/phrase in the stormlight its insane haha

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

From what we've heard I would rank Honor beats Ba-Ado-Mishram beats Lord of Scars. Except, we know Adonalsium had a personal hand in forming Roshar, and presumably the spren. If Ba-Ado-Mishram was made by Adonalsium, then unmade by Odium, I would presume that as a 'Made" she would rival the Shards.

I probably should've watched the reading beforehand.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

I did try to make the summary as informative as possible, but its always best to check primary sources.

@emilioi.valdez6680

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI True.

Elantris lore? I finished that recently. Busy reading Warbreaker right now.

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

Just the bit about how big seons can get. We've never seen one impersonate a full body before.

@emilioi.valdez6680

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI Theory. More than one seon to make full-bodied image. Last I checked, they were no bigger than a melon.

Could Ishar be behind the “Unite Them” stuff that Dalinar hears?

@MeMySkirtandI

2 жыл бұрын

I think that was just the old Tanavast recordings. But I also have no idea what what was Ishar is capable of. Though doing something good, I'll bet is beyond him.

@animalia5554

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI I was just thinking that Stormdaddy has seemed to be unaware of them.

...The Stormfather does know where Ishar is. In Oathbringer, Dalinar asks him about the Heralds, and the Stormfather tells him about Ishar. I'm not sure what point you thought you were making by saying that the Stormfather doesn't know this, but he definitely does.

@MeMySkirtandI

5 ай бұрын

He knew where Ishar was, but he didn’t know that he was bringing spren into the physical realm.

@macmay3042

5 ай бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI sure? But he still knew who and where he was.

@MeMySkirtandI

5 ай бұрын

​@@macmay3042It appears that you are prepared to die on this hill. For which I must commend your determination. I'm curious to hear what your thoughts are on my most recent theory. Hope to see you over there.​

@macmay3042

5 ай бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI Disagree. I would say the people who say, with no actual reason, that this isn't the Stormfather, are those dying on a hill. If i pick any random Wax scene from Era 2 and say i assume, without basis, that the Wayne from his perspective was a kandra, with no evidence to support it, would you just tell me I'm right even though i can't give you a solid reason why?

@macmay3042

5 ай бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandIIf you're so used to only ever listening to people telling you that every assumption you make, even when the books contradict is, is right, that when someone points out the facts of the matter and all you can do is turn to insults and tell them that no one could ever disagree with you unless they're crazy and just deciding you must be wrong because anyone who disagrees with your assumptions is always wrong... I guess you're just a typical Sharder, then. Have fun only ever talking to people who will never question you on anything or expect you to back up the assumptions you made. Hilarious that you accuse me of "dying on a hill" when you literally state your assumptions as fact, and won't even talk to anyone who points out that the text directly contradicts you. You know that like 90% of the fandom literally cringes when they hear about the Sharders, right?

Regarding when you say the Stormfather is guiding Gavilar away from the First Ideal. You, just like Gavilar, are completely missing the point. We know from numerous times, mostly with the Windrunners, that saying the words out loud is the least important part of the Ideal. What Gavilar was missing when he just kept quoting passages, is that meaning is what matters. Look at the one thing he said that the Stormfather said was close. Give it to me, I need it. He's seething, he's desperate. He's not close to quoting the book... but what he's doing is *meaning* his words. That's the part you're completely missing. This passage is very specific, exactly because it's very close to the First Ideal. What the Stormfather is saying here is, you're not close... and look at his words. Because "guessing will not bring you to the Words". Because what he's saying is, you're just repeating random phrases like you're trying to hack someone's password. The Ideals are about meaning them. Skar and the Lopen show us that you can say the exact right words and it doesn't mean anything. Lift shows us that you can mean it, and not say anything out loud, and it still counts. That is the truth Gavilar (and, apparently, you) is missing, and what the Stormfather means here, and it's why Gavilar's demand is closer. Not because it's the right words or the right sentiment... but because at least it *is* sentiment.

@MeMySkirtandI

5 ай бұрын

So are you arguing that Gavilar’s Stormfather is the true Stormfather?

I get really, really tired of the whole "The Stormfather can't see inside buildings" thing. The Stormfather, many times, has been a presence around Dalinar, and been able to see what's around him. The comment in question comes when they're trying to spy on the entire planet, and the Stormfather mentions that the vision he uses to generate the map is what the storm sees, and thus can't go into buildings. At no point in any book does he blanket say, I am incapable of seeing inside a building in any way. And, we see him see inside of buildings many times. Of all the silly reasons to doubt this is the real Stormfather, this is by far the silliest. This is the part where people like Sharders make it the most obvious that they came up with a conclusion and now they're twisting facts to try and make them line up, rather than looking at the facts as they really are and seeing what conclusions arise.

@MeMySkirtandI

5 ай бұрын

He can see inside buildings around Dalinar because he is bonded to Gavilar. When Syl was just hanging around Kaladin she had trouble distinguishing people.

So pitchy