The other clue, the one I love the most is Words of Radiance Chapter 10. It begins with "The world ended, and Shallan was to blame" referring to her killing her mom. I mean, what else would end the world if not start startting another desolation.

@crockettcast2702

Жыл бұрын

That is GOOD.

@Osyrous

Жыл бұрын

Im a little confused. So basically once shallan killed her mom, she went to braise or wherever the parshendi souls are. There she gave in to the torture and thats why both her and taln were sent back six years later ?

@kamarassakka9922

Жыл бұрын

@@Osyrous exactly

@brett_zesty

Жыл бұрын

​@@OsyrousYes. Because Taln never broke.

@Osyrous

Жыл бұрын

@@brett_zesty incredible just incredible. I cant wait for brando to delve into Taln. I feel like hes finally knock wheeloftime's Moroden off my #1 fantasy character spot.

Chapter 4 in Rhythm of War has another clue, where Veil uses an alias to infiltrate the Sons of Honor, "Chanasha Hasareh, you have a fine and reputable name. After the legacy of Chanaranach'Elin, Herald of the Common Man..."

"Stands to reason that Taln didnt break" Yeah Brandon confirmed this nugget. Explicitly.

A little past halfway through Chapter 77 in WoR there's a conversation between Navani and shallan about jasnah. Navani references chanarach to give her strength not to strangle jasnah. Shallans mother tried to strangle shallan. That's a very Brando way to forshadow.

@crockettcast2702

Жыл бұрын

What a great little find. I'm tabbing that one away.

I mean yeah she HAS to be. Both redheads, both Mother & Herald died in the same year and month. And what else could Shallan's FINAL secrect be that's worse than all others if not the fact that it's Shallan's "fault" that she killed her mother, sent her back to be tortured which led to her breaking & causing this Desolation. We know Taln didn't break! Shallan would blame herself (& would supress the memories)

@crockettcast2702

Жыл бұрын

This will be interesting to see. I have been under the impression that Shallan is ignorant of who her mother was. Brandon could certainly make her knowing very interesting.

@macmay3042

4 ай бұрын

I've never really liked that, since it's not her fault. Like, part of what Shallan has to accept is that it's not even her fault she killed her mother, since everyone has the right to self-defense. But while you could at least say, on some level, even as a child, Shallan realized that she was choosing to kill her own mother to save her own life, there's literally no possible way anyone could say she had any potential inkling that doing so would also return the Voidbringers.

The people on Roshar don't actually look at symmetry visually, but phonetically. The Alethi (I by extension the veden) don't use the English alphabet, but their own alphabet, where every sound has a glyph. So in the book what Kabsal means is that her name (one glyph for the SH sound) (one glyph for the AH sound) (one glyph for the LL sound) (one glyph for the AH sound again) (one glyph for the N sound) When spelled in glyphs like that her name is a five letter word where the middle three letters as symmetrical. her name would only have to be nallan or (SH)alla(SH), changing either the first or last letter to be perfect

@macmay3042

4 ай бұрын

Actually the women's script is distinct from glyphs, but otherwise yes. As Kabsal points out, her name is one letter away from perfectly symmetrical, showing respect without hubris, like many Vorin names. Navani, Jalal. Also I think they would write it as two distinct L's, not a single letter for double L, though I could be mistaken. Amaram (and maybe the other sons of honor) are trying to hack together a phonetic language from glyphs but it's not very good.

Shallan also does mention that and h can be used as any other letter too for the sake of symmetry

Best explanation of this theory.

@crockettcast2702

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

Okay I’ve been on board with this theory but you bring up several things I never considered! 6:03 Interesting…I’ve never seen that chart before and always associated both “just” and “obedient” with Nale, somewhat equating the 2. This definitely adds fuel here!!

Chana’s soalcasting preferences is fire! 😂

@crockettcast2702

3 күн бұрын

I'm a stick!

Taln didn't break is the hypest thing

@crockettcast2702

5 ай бұрын

You're telling me!

I saw a cool theory that shallans mother wasnt actually trying to kill her but rather trying to stab her with a duralumin spike to steal her Connection with her spren, i really like this

@crockettcast2702

Жыл бұрын

That would certainly be intriguing!

Soldier: Gets murdered by a toddler. Maybe not so 'check'. Well, at least this isn't the theory that Shallan herself is Chanarach. "A long history" Her mother and brother both worked with the Skybreakers for years. That can be "a long time." The reason the line "didn't stand out" to you when you first read it is because people in this and every book in this series and the cosmere will refer to "a long time" without meaning centuries, let alone millennia. This is the flimsiest possible evidence, to the point that it no more supports your theory than any other because "a long time" could just refer to the decades her mother and brother spent with the skybreakers or her father with the ghostbloods. That would be exactly how he'd say it if it was that, as well. And this is one of your biggest pieces of evidence? About the palindrome names: Sh is one letter in the Vorin Women's Script. So, the letters of her name are "sh", "a", "l", "l", "a", "n". So it's that sh and n are the ones that are off; either nallan or shallash would be perfectly symmetrical. (n and sh do look a little bit like each other). Also, this isn't special or unique to her or the family, this is pretty common in Alethy and Veden Light-eyed cultures. Sadeas notes his own wife's name, Ialai is actually a pure palindrome, which is somewhat daring. Navani. Jasnah (remember, as Shallan tells Pattern, the H is a wildcard that matches to any other letter, so just the sn is the only mismatch). Look through Adolin's list of romantic partners. I guess you're claiming that every lighteyed vorin woman is Charanach's daughter?

A new detail i'd like to add is shallan was 11 when she killed her mother and the assassination of king gavilar was 6 years prior to TWoK. At the start of book five the storm father has said that a herald has died to gavilar this could be likely shallan's mother Chanarach as it is the same year. Sources: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gGt9o7qadLrKe7g.html

@wooshbait36

4 ай бұрын

Did you even watch the video or are you just slow?

@zontawedge2112

3 ай бұрын

@@wooshbait36 i wrote it during the middle of the video, but yea he brings it up at about 9 mins in.

Its worth noting that the ONLY thing that could kill a radiant(or one with their powers) is a direct hit from a shardblade. A regular sword wouldnt have killed a Herald or Radiant. Seems like overkill, but we were just fed a ton of story with shardbearers burning out soldiers and parshendi by the truckload.

I love your analysis videos but, in this case and I may be missing something, if her mom was a Herald and killed (not with a special Herald-killing blade) would the mother not have been sent back to Braize? Or if the Oath pact was broken, is she not relatively immortal and just heal staying on Roshar even from a Shard cut?

@crockettcast2702

Жыл бұрын

The theory is precisely that she did get sent back to Braize and that she is the one who then broke a few years later, bringing on the desolation, allowing more voidspren onto Roshar in the conventional manner.

Shalan is going to need at least two more truths to progress.

@crockettcast2702

7 ай бұрын

Right! And wouldn't it be such a fulfilling thing for one of them to be the truth about her maternal heritage?!

I don’t understand the conclusion that Taln didn’t break? If Chanarach died, she joined him on Braize. Then, both of them would need to break for another Desolation to start, right?

@johnj650

6 ай бұрын

Only one needs to break to trigger a Desolation

@ad1108am

6 ай бұрын

@@johnj650 I totally didn’t go on a 17th Shard and Coppermind binge that went waaay on a tangent 🙈🙄

It would be more "sandersonesque" if one of the other Heralds was her mother and was just using a lightweaving to impersonate Chanarach. Remember, the Parshmen werent just voidbringers, they werent voidbringers at all. Two revelations and two misleading ideas. I am 100% positive that the Parshendi/Singers used to be humans, too. There is a specific phrase that is in Rhythm of War that a Fused uses about gemhearts and letting spren in that leads me to believe that was a way later adaptation, possible from Cultivation meddling. The Fused dont really make sense, though. They arent spren but they became capable of taking a parshendi body over. They were just individuals at some point. The parshendi forms are based off types of spren, but Fused have types as well, only they are individuals. What made Leshwi a Heavenly One in the first place? Some type of spren in her Gemheart. Where did that spren go? How is she a Heavenly One without it? Its not like lightning spren create two different forms, they only make one. Why is Ulim always in human form? Im betting we find out that the only natives are the cremling dudes, everyone else was a human from somewhere, at least at first.

@TheDiabeticGameMaster

4 ай бұрын

actually, we know for a fact that the Sleepless came from somewhere else. Though we don't know much about it yet.

A BLUES CLUES REFERENCE!? 😂😂

@crockettcast2702

2 ай бұрын

You do what you gotta...

I totally disagree about Chanarach forgiving Shallan. I think there is a good chance that Shallan will have to kill her again, PERMANENTLY this time. Chanarach tried to kill her the last time they were together. Being sent by your child to Tortureland for 6, 7 years isn't really all that likely to have improved her opinion of Shallan if you ask me.

@crockettcast2702

4 ай бұрын

Very possible...AND so dramatic and heart wrenching for Shallan.

Talk about a Red "hairing" ...am I right?

@joshuafischer684

7 ай бұрын

That is exactly the type of double pun Sanderson would fall over himself to write.

In Vorinism, H doesn't count. That's why Alethela is still a perfect name

@joshuafischer684

7 ай бұрын

It's more that the th sound blend is represented by a single symbol. They don't use the English alphabet. Look up the Alethi Women's Script, it looks like sound waveforms.

@crockettcast2702

7 ай бұрын

Duh. Of course. What a silly oversight on my part. Nice observation.

She should be alive now, yes?

@crockettcast2702

5 ай бұрын

Yes, returned to Roshar along the same time line as Taln.

@CNNBlackmailSupport

5 ай бұрын

@@crockettcast2702 The reason I bring it up is that her return coincides with the downfall of the Shin, doesn't it? The "unmade" that corrupted the holders of the honor blades may very well have been Chanarach, or she played a part. The timing is too perfect, no?

@crockettcast2702

5 ай бұрын

The timeline matches up but that could simply be because Odium's forces could then freely enter Roshar as well specifically because the Heralds were no longer in Braise. The reason you may be right about us running into Chanarach in Shinovar might simply be because chunks of the next novel will take place there. @@CNNBlackmailSupport

I think heralds can't have children after they have become heralds.

@crockettcast2702

Жыл бұрын

You may be right, though I don't know where anything clearly indicates some anatomical difference in being able to procreate. I think most heralds just decided not to.

@TheDiabeticGameMaster

4 ай бұрын

@@crockettcast2702 Brandon has been kind of unclear on the subject, seemingly on purpose. When asked, I believe, if they could have children he said yes but when the person asked for clarification, if they can have children in the conventional method, he RAFO'd it.

Don’t apply English rules to rosharan names, they have completely different alphabets