As you pointed out, maps became standard in Fantasy novels. I was a kid in the '70s and when a new book hit the shelves checking out the map in it was a big part of deciding whether to buy it. The deciding factors were just as you described. There was an art to it and blank space was important - something akin to Tolkien not fully explaining Tom Bombadil, letting us wonder. I remember looking at a book and rejecting it because the map was so filled in, so complete, and surely the story couldn't include all these places and if it did it was going to be tedious.

@maxelkjaernersting

Жыл бұрын

Great point

@kevinsullivan3448

Жыл бұрын

It's a shame that the Shannara stories did not live up to the quality of the maps.

@TheWood005

Жыл бұрын

If a new book didn't have maps, I was not interested.

@marcusdirk

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinsullivan3448 I thought the early ones did. I went off them as the stories got darker.

@flamencoprof

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWood005 If a new book did have maps I was not interested. "Ho, hum, another Tolkien clone".

Always whenever I read the lord of the rings, I find myself keeping track of the adventures of the fellowship, whenever I had to close the book. Running my fingers over locations, rivers and mountain ranges; it makes you feel like a modest historian of middle earth. Long live Tolkien

@DeepFleeceheart

8 ай бұрын

I leaped into LotR with the big red collector's edition with the giant fold out map into the back. Before even reading, i freehand copied that quasi-topographical map. I fell in love with the world before i ever met its peoples.

@danguee1

6 ай бұрын

I must have read it 5 or 6 times over the decades. I now mainly think of it as a travel book where I can follow the fellowship - together and the after they split up. I still finish it, because it is a wondrous story told wondrously - but i enjoy the Fellowship the most and the Two Towers next.

@irinasouvandjiev

4 ай бұрын

You would love exploring the Lord of the rings online. You can walk from the shire to Mordor as a chicken. It’s glorious.

I am so glad you mentioned _The Atlas of Middle Earth_. There aren't enough people who know about this wonderful book, and reading the novel with this atlas open is an incredibly fun exercise.

@fredmullison4246

Жыл бұрын

Yep, thanks for that. I have decided to put it on my "to buy" list.

@CybershamanX

Жыл бұрын

I also have Karen Wynn Fonstad's _Atlas of The Land,_ (1985) based on _The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant_ by Stephen R. Donaldson. Sadly, since Donaldson took such a long time (about two decades!) to return to that series, her atlas only covers the first six books in the series. I'm not sure how many people know that she has made atlases for several fantasy novels, including: - _The Atlas of Pern_ (1984) Pern, based on the _Dragonriders of Pern_ series by Anne McCaffrey - _The Atlas of the Dragonlance World_ (1987) Krynn, based on the _DragonLance_ stories by Tracy Hickman and Margaret Weis (among others) -The Forgotten Realms Atlas (1990) The Forgotten Realms, a setting for _Dungeons & Dragons_ designed by Ed Greenwood Sadly, Karen Fonstad passed away at the young age of 59 in 2005. The works she left us are downright amazing and VERY detailed. For example, in the Middle-earth atlas, I recall how she talked about how she agonized over how Tolkien drew his maps as "flat" (rather than being on a globe/sphere) and how his world _was_ indeed initially flat until Valinor was sundered/hidden from mortals and the world was made round. She goes over that and more in great detail in the atlas. Note: there is a revised version of the Middle-earth atlas that came out in 1992 that takes into account new (at the time) information that Christopher Tolkien unearthed in his tireless studies of his father's work. Unless one is a collector, be sure to get the latest edition of that work. (Pro-tip for italics in KZread comments: if you have a period, comma, etc. that comes right after the last word in an italicized group of words, be sure to put it _before_ the last underscore. Otherwise, it won't italicize anything. The same goes for *bold.* 😎🤘☮)

@jklier66

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree. I had the pleasure of meeting Karen Fonstad back in 2003. Her son Mark was a professor at Texas State University at that time where I was working on my PhD. Mark arranged for her to come and talk to one of my classes about her Middle Earth maps. Her care for the world was evident.

@CybershamanX

Жыл бұрын

@@jklier66 Wow. I wish I had the pleasure of meeting her. I'm so thankful that someone from such a niche field took an interest in applying their skills and artistic ability to a lucky handful of fantasy worlds.

@seanbradley2712

Жыл бұрын

I can't say which of her books I bought first, but I did get all of them. When I read the books her atlas books are from, I like to stop and see the maps.

In a weird way, this a perfect way to explain Tolkien's genius.... The story, the plots, the characters, the themes, the languages and lore, the rich world building... He also created the arch type fanatasy map. He was ALSO badass at creating a fictional map. All of these things add up to put Tolkien in his own class.

@takz0743

Жыл бұрын

He was never "badass" at anything. That is orc-speech. ; )

I helped to embroider these maps onto a tablecloth for a friend's custom van around 1978. Only thing I ever sewed. It was a project for anyone who stopped in and it took weeks.

@sourisvoleur4854

Жыл бұрын

I wish I could see it -- it sounds fantastic.

@aldunlop4622

3 ай бұрын

Oh, that’s way cool!

2:29 As a kid in the 70s, this map was like a real world map to me. I used to just sit down and gaze at this map.

@mondkalb9813

Жыл бұрын

I grew up in a time when rarely anybody had a television, and even if they had, there where only a few hours of program every day (Germany in the 60s). I spent hours with my grandparent's 14th edition of the Brockhaus Encyclopedia, fascinated by the many illustrations and maps, which carried on into a lifelong fascination for maps in general and fantasy maps in particular. Tolkien's Middle-earth map was probably the first fantasy map I encountered.

@Erufailon42

Жыл бұрын

As a kid in the 90s, I did exactly the same thing

@PlanetEarth3141

Жыл бұрын

Same

I love that you said it feels like Tolkien is just the first explorer and the person destined to share the stories written by Frodo, Bilbo and Sam (to a lesser degree) with us, maybe with the intention to show that despite all peril and evil forces against us there is hope and things we can do to influence the world for the better.

@petejones6827

2 ай бұрын

sounds to me like you want others to change and alter and create new things for something you didnt create i hate it when people later on try to remake someone elses creation or idea and revamp it ugh why cant people create there own shit. its the same reason people hate all this inclusion bullcrap cant leave something be people have to insert there own personal ideas into someone elses creation its always the things that are perfect as they are leave them alone we dont need to add on or influence the fake made up world leave it be the great creation Tolkien made

This map is so beautiful, I made it a centerpiece of the art in my library. I ordered the largest copy I could find, had it framed and it proudly takes up most of one wall in my library, surrounded by other, smaller works of art by cover artists I enjoy (including Tolkien artist Alan Lee).

@barbarawinkle1042

9 ай бұрын

Where can you buy this map? Thanks.

@JordieFilip

8 ай бұрын

One wall to rule them all!

One of my favorite details of these maps is Beleriand under the sea, hearkening back to medieval legends of the drowned realms of Ys and Lyonesse.

You have highlighted the two greatest strengths of Tolkien, along with the meaning and philosophy behind it- which is Tolkien's extensive attention to detail in a coherent picture of a world, and his soft, poetic inviting warmth, like a warm fire in a hobbit-hole by the side which stories are told. Tolkien's maps have both of these qualities to a wonderful degree! One more thing: I appreciate even more how much Tolkien's son Christopher did for us: not only editing together his father's writings for posthumous publication, leaving his father free to simply write more and more in his later years, knowing that his son Christopher could edit it together in a publishable form for him, but also these wonderful maps, which I have always loved! I love maps, and Tolkien's maps are a wonderful part of the experience of Tolkien's work!

I´ve drawn the third age map by hand and to scale and I can say that it is incredibly detailed. I´m starting to draw a map combinig 1st and second ages and maybe later I´ll draw even more Micro maps of areas like the Shire. These maps are a treasure and I feel like they actually land the fantasy world on a ¨possible¨ and ¨tangible¨ manner. Almost as if you could study it.

@rexneilson6048

Жыл бұрын

You should post these on KZread

@pascastro9928

Жыл бұрын

@@rexneilson6048 I tooke pictures of the whole process so maybe one day I´ll edit them into a video and post it here! Who knows jaja.

@CybershamanX

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen Karen Wynn Fonstad's _Atlas of Middle-earth_ (latest revised edition, 1992)? You might be interested in her discussion of how Tolkien drew his maps "flat" and how she struggled trying to make the various distances work out. I would definitely love to see your work someday! I think most if not all Tolkien fans love maps! 😉

Morgoth raised the Misty Mountains to hinder Orome from roaming around freely. Sauron raised the mountains around Mordor as defence and for "privacy". It's such a marvelous map 😊 It inspired me to make my own maps, although by using a program not by hand drawing.

@BushcraftMatt

Жыл бұрын

I had no idea Sauron raised the Mordor mountains! I always thought they looked unnatural because of how straight they were with right-angled corners and now I know why. Thank you

@Tautolonaut

Жыл бұрын

It's a testament to Morgoth's lack of imagination that he thought a wanderlusty explorer would somehow be deterred by an unexpected mountain range. Illuvatar was always playing the long game ;)

@Arkantos117

11 ай бұрын

@@BushcraftMatt The Tarim Basin is pretty rectangular, as are parts of the Carpathian mountains, so it's not that unnatural. Then there's just the fact that it's a hand drawn map. If you look at old maps, like say Ptolemy's world map, you will see a lot of sharp and square angles that don't exist in reality due to the limits of what you can do from ground level and with second hand information.

@borsalino177

9 ай бұрын

yep, i already knew melkor raised the misty mountains but i didn't remember why, until you wrote this.

@Smailien

6 ай бұрын

​ @BushcraftMatt Sauron did not raise the mountains around Mordor. It's written in the Two Towers that Shelob had been living in the Ephel Dúath long before Sauron came to Mordor.

There is also "The Journey's of Frodo" by Barbara Strachey which is a cartographer's guide to Frodo and Companies journey. It is pretty interesting and shows the actual travel by Frodo and company. Where they were on the map during the story.

@3.k

11 ай бұрын

I was looking for this comment, because if it had been missing, I would have written it myself.I bought The Journeys of Frodo decades ago (published in 1998), and it is just wonderful!

@randymorris5296

11 ай бұрын

I "third" this mention! This book may be the single greatest determinate of my becoming a professional cartographer. 😊

@MundaneGray

7 ай бұрын

I have Strachey's book. It stands on my shelf next to Fonstad's Atlas.

As a would-be author myself, having just as much trouble and fascination with fantastic cartography, it is reassuring to know that even the best fantasy author struggled with maps. Making maps is incredibly hard work.

@PlanetEarth3141

Жыл бұрын

Done well it's worth every moment.

@Wyrmshield

11 ай бұрын

I'm in the same boat. I never would have guessed how real and relatable his struggles were with it. It really humanizes a near-mythological figure into someone not so different from us

@daniell1483

11 ай бұрын

@@Wyrmshield Indeed, I'll admit that I myself underestimated the scope of Tolkien's achievement until I tried to replicate it. It is no understatement to say Tolkien is perhaps one of the best writers of all time.

@PlanetEarth3141

11 ай бұрын

@@Wyrmshield I like the way you described it.

@amatsu-ryu4067

11 ай бұрын

Right? I've gone through so many iterations of maps for my world, and they're all so different. Making just the right map is so damn hard.

One thing that has differentiated you in this very moment from others who speak of the writings and the work artwork of JRR Tolkien, is that you have not only included Christopher in your mentions but you give them credit as the Tolkiens. They were indeed a team. Although j.r.r. started this and wrote the basics all of the history all of the details, it was Christopher it was Christopher who did as much work as his father.

As a lifelong enthusiast of both Tolkien's works and maps in general, I was always fascinated by the Sea of Rhun, which I always thought resembled the head of a lynx in shape. I was mildly disappointed that no part of the story went to that region to reveal more information about it.

@AnnaMarianne

3 ай бұрын

You and me! But I was glad to read in the History of the Middle-Earth series that the ancestors of the Edain stayed by its shores on their journey westwards. I think there was something about one group dwelling on one shore and another on the other shore. Later I've imagined Easterling towns and cities on its shores. Ok, I checked TolkienGateway, and indeed the folk of Beor dwelled on one shore and the folk of Marach on another. Also, the Teleri seems to have first begun their ship building ways on its waters. Interesting

This was really well done. I wholeheartedly agree that these are really important maps. I spent many summer in my child hood trying desperately to recreate these. Especially the Hobbit map. Then I started making my own maps of my own worlds and places. These all had their own stories and characters. Many are lost to time in my memory. I do remember the first time I cracked open my dads copy of Fellowship and seeing the love, and care and awe that these maps looked like they had imbued into them. The feeling of "discovering" an old map of a far off land that had endless adventures hidden in it's ink. Thanks for putting such a nice spotlight on these amazing maps, also the Atlas of Middle-Earth is an amazing book!

@learnwithmapster

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and the comment! Keep an eye out, a video on the Hobbit maps is coming soon! :)

I've been world-building and drawing maps of the places I've imagined for over 40 years of my life. This map, created by Tolkien & Son was the template that started me. Your video warms my heart and makes me feel a connection to Christopher, drawing these imagined worlds with pen on paper.

Never realized how important the red labels are to clarity and just overall artistry in the original vs the smaller inserts you mentioned; it really does change the whole feeling of the map and accentuates the grandeur of Tolkien's world

Christopher Tolkien was born in 1924. My guess is that he probably read Arthur Ransome's Swallow and Amazons series (first book published 1930), which always included maps and a lot of the stories over the 12 books in the series were about mapping and map creation. Secret Water, which was published in 1939, is basically about the children protagonists exploring and mapping a location in SE England (most of the rest of the books take place in England's Lake District). You can see some hints from S&A maps in Christopher Tolkien's work, so possibly an influence.

What a superb video. So much information and a lovely measured pace and tone. The examples of the maps from other books that could have influenced Tolkien, were simply fascinating. That is proper first rate scholarship. I was surprised, but absolutely should not have been, to find out how much work and sweat went into the maps, and the degree of collaboration. I also profoundly agree with Tolkien's notion of an idyllic day: gardening in a Cotswold summer, the sound of someone typing coming through an open, screenless, window. --------------- I'd heard people gripe about the positions of mountains in the Middle Earth maps before, and I had also always thought that a good look at the Carpathians should shut a lot of that down.. Anyone who enjoyed Dracula as much as Dracula should be enjoyed, should have taken a jolly good look at a map of that crescent shaped range. (That's as close as Stoker ever got to them.) Or all the ranges around the Taklamakan desert As for rivers cutting through ranges, that happens not infrequently. Indeed the Danube cuts through the Carpathians. All these things just require that geological development of the land occurs in particular stages. The earth does all sorts of remarkable things, much of which we still don't understand. We haven't even really figured out why the Rockies are where they are.

I totally agree, the maps are crucial and I love going over them again and again, comparing different ones... some people have made absolutely amazing maps.. all credits to them!

I can't imagine the bizarre geologic events that would produce such a peculiar topology.

@Tamajyn69

Жыл бұрын

Yeah right, it's almost as if some god-like forces had battled and shaken the entire continent to its foundations and reshaped the land thousands of years earlier...

@calebklingerman7902

11 ай бұрын

We cqn always fall back on Melkor and the Valar fighting over continents in pre-historic times

@markeddy9169

11 ай бұрын

Look at a map of the Pacific Northwest sometime. Glaciation combined with a couple of micro-scale tectonic plates has done some wild stuff. Including a river (the Columbia) that passes through not one, but two mountain ranges, and a rain shadow "desert" less than 100km from one of the wettest places on earth.

@Arkantos117

11 ай бұрын

What sticks out as perculiar?

@AnnaMarianne

3 ай бұрын

The bizarre geologic events in this case are gods and archangels waging wars in the ancient past.

I recently restored and framed my college dorm room Map of Middle Earth. It now residues alongside a framed poster of artwork from The Hobbit on our kitchen wall. The colors and detail have always been a delight, and I’m so glad it could be salvaged. Thank you for bringing me back to a time when I immersed myself in that world (including the Appendices), with an excellent deep dive into the backstory of the map.

The cool thing about Tolkien's maps is that if something looks unnatural, like the mountains around Mordor, it's because it is and there's a lore explanation for it. The map tells the story of the world.

@NemeanLion-

6 ай бұрын

It is unnatural. Mountains form from shifting of plates. This is very random

@shmeebs387

6 ай бұрын

@@NemeanLion- That's what I mean. It makes you question why and then when you look into it, you find out that there is lore behind why the mountains formed unnaturally. The map itself tells a story.

@NemeanLion-

6 ай бұрын

@@shmeebs387 what was the lore? All I heard was a theory by the video creator.

@shmeebs387

6 ай бұрын

@@NemeanLion- He presents it is sort of a theory, but it's pretty much accepted as the most likely scenario. Melkor (Sauron's old master) battled the Valar and caused massive volcanic eruptions and raising mountains. Just looking at the map, people deduce that the volcano is Mount Doom and the mountains are the border of Mordor. It's also theorized that the Lonely Mountain is one of those volcanoes.

@NemeanLion-

6 ай бұрын

@@shmeebs387 Well, with all due respect, if Tolkien didn’t say so, then these are just fan theories. And when it comes to fantasy one can pretty much make up whatever they want. Just like with the eagles not taking them to Mordor.

13:22 That is a map of the 4th Division objectives on the Ancre front for the Battle of the Somme on July 1 1916. Except for one exception, none of the objectives were achieved and the Division was back where it started, minus 5800 casualties.

@learnwithmapster

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the information on this! Keep an eye out and one day I'll be doing some WWI-specific maps, I expect.

Great info! I just checked my 1965 edition, it has the original map. I don't know why anyone would get a hardcover version without the foldout. There are lots of them out there in old bookstores.

This video is a gem. A welcome respite as I am (figuratively) finding my way through a rough patch.

That reminds me of something Terry Pratchett once said in an interview: "You don't start by drawing the Cliffing Mountains and the Winding River. The start consists of creating a world and fleshing it out with ten or more books. Then (when the fundamentals are there) someone is going to gain a bunch of money collecting all details in a map." (paraphrase) Pratchett felt that drawing a map would limit future ideas... but then experienced the opposite when he created the map of Ankh-Morpork with Stephen Briggs, as well as the Discworld Companion with its maps. Tolkien had a bit of that experience, too. His mythology mostly had generated places for elves and dwarves of old, but now had to give place for the realms of men. And eventually, by writing the story, he had enough stories to fill the appendixes... and to spend of his lifetime thinking how those new places fit in with his old ideas.

Thanks for this great video Essay, as a lifelong Tolkien fan I have deeply enjoyed your explanation about a map I have looked at hundreds of times🧡 I'm awaiting your next video with impatience.

Great video! Please do more in this series.

A magisterial presentation! Thanks for the effort!

Great video, made me appreciate the map I've already loved since I read the books more. I would love to see you explain the map of Beleriand as well.

Lovely video! Please do continue this series!

Another example of right-angle mountain ranges-the Uintah range and the Wasatch range in Utah, USA (both part of the greater Rocky Mountains)

simply beautiful, thanks for making this.

Thank you for this fantastic video!!

I really enjoyed this video. Thank you very much for making this.

Beautiful video. Thank you.

This video was extremely well put together and I really enjoyed it, thank you !

Very enjoyable. Thanks for putting this out

Too bad you didn’t mention anything about the map of Beleriand, which is a work of art, maybe even better than the general map

You made me look! My edition, 1979 Unwin paperback, has the "messiness" with the Mirkwood label. I _like_ the Mirkwood label! I was thrilled when the film opened with the real map: a promise of authenticity that they honoured very well. (Yes, of course there were some changes - almost all obviously necessary.)

I enjoyed the well-written narration very much. This was beautifully done.

Thanks so much for this, absolutely terrific!

this was really great, I hope you’ll do some more content on the other Tolkien maps!! Thank you 😊

Underrated, pretty neat video! I hope this explodes and gets more views. And a good idea for a series, I mean this Great Maps Explained. One of my personal favorite fictional maps must be from Treasure Island. It sets up the era perfectly. And the names are intriguing, already foreshadowing a pirate tale at hand.

@learnwithmapster

Жыл бұрын

I'll put it on the list! Thanks so much :)

Beautiful video, so well done. Really captures the whimsy of these books

Great video, really enjoyed it. Thank you.

This is super well done and insightful. I appreciate that. this video is something you can be proud of. talking about the significance, the process, how you might understand it in different lenses. Its just well rounded and you can see your passion in it. things like noting possible geographic inconsistencies or other critics while also acknowledging its intents and the impressions it gives.

Wonderful video, thank you. I have walked in Middle Earth, through my imagination and the help of these maps, since I was 11 years old more than 50 years ago. You have summed up beautifully how I feel about Tolkien’s maps. 😊

Totally awesome! I sincerely hope you expand on this subject line. I have always wanted to create a map along the lines of Tolkien 's map, but it always seemed like an almost unobtainable goal, so more information on how this could be accomplished would be extremely interesting.

@mondkalb9813

Жыл бұрын

Take a look at modern map tools like Wonderdraft or Inkarnate. It's astounding how easy it is nowadays to achieve something similar to those classic fantasy maps within a couple of hours on a PC.

I have spent some time gazing at, and constantly referencing the maps when reading Lord of the Rings, but never thought too much about it - until now. I have a much greater understanding about why, and appreciation of their beauty after watching this video. Thank you.

"The map is somehow cozy ... is something that could have been made by Hobbits, busily snacking in a warm Hobbit Hole while adding details and telling stories." Wonderfully said. Tolkien wrote, "give me a name and it produces a story." Draw a map and stories emerge. Same is true if you draw the layout of a castle tower--suddenly a window to look out is always there at the top of the stairs, creating new possibilities.

Such a beautiful video of a world we love.

Excellent video, very informative, nicely done!

Nicely done! Thanks!

I loved this content. I poured over the maps when I read LOTR. Please create more!

beautiful video thank you for this

Ever since I first read the LOR and the Hobbit in 1969, the maps have always been a great help in following the tale. They were a wonderful way of being “there.” Thank you very much of this video. Great job!

Thank you, wonderful video on a map that has a special place in my heart!

Great video! I would always pour over the map and trace the fellowship’s journey every time I read the books. Always imagining and curious of the areas not explored in the books.

Great job! Thank you so much for the work you put into it, I would like to see more please! I would Love to learn more about the Shire and it's surrounding areas. Please and thank you in advance, Keep up the good work sir.

What a wonderful video! Another one about Beleriand would be appriciated too, although it would have a lot of similiarity to this one.

Enjoyed your video, very informative! For me a map is necessary to my enjoyment of any literature. It guides my reading and imagination. Thanks for your work! Looking forward to more!

Thank you so much for this presentation. As someone who holds a degree in physical geography and who has studied cartography extensively, I appreciated what you have done in pointing out both the extent and the limitations Tolkien's maps gave us about what he called his "sub-creation." The maps that both JRR and Christopher Tolkien created gave a new dimension to the science-fiction and fantasy genres that have made the works they accompany all the better and richer.

@learnwithmapster

11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for watching! You might like other videos in the series... stay tuned for more! :)

Great video! I remember reading the trilogy and always had a finger on the map page so I could bounce back and forth from the text

fantastic video! I would love to see a similar video on the map of the "A Song Of Ice And Fire" books, cheers!!

Thank you for the wonderful video! I first read LotR at the age of 11; and now, in my 50s, I've read it approximately 30 times. In fact, your video makes me want to read it again. I learned early on that following the maps was essential in keeping track of the characters' location, even if the maps were nonsensical even for someone like me who had almost no founding in geology. That was just how things worked in Middle-earth...or more accurately, in Arda. I can't help hoping that one day you'll explore the map of Beleriand, and maybe even show how (sunken though it is) it still connects to Western Middle-earth. Thanks again. Best wishes with your series.

@learnwithmapster

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the nice comment:) Great to hear about your times in Arda!

I remember how as a boy and reading Lord of the Rings for the first time, wrestling with the map, turning it this way and that, and trying to make sense of it while I was still on the early chapters. It took me a long time to find the Shire, or work out where things were happening. But it was very eerie how no matter how I looked at the maps, Mordor seemed to keep standing out, clearer than anything. I did soon work it out though 🙂

Fantastic video!

I love this, thank you! And yes, I would love to see more on the maps of Middle-earth, cheers!

@learnwithmapster

11 ай бұрын

Stay tuned! :)

Great video!

I'm glad you mentioned divine powers having an influence on the mountain ranges. I feel like people who criticize the map of Middle-earth are ignoring the fact that this is a fantasy world. Geography is not always going to follow the geological rules of our world. The mountains of Mordor likely look that way because Sauron raised them as a barrier around his kingdom.

Good for you, going a bit viral! 👍👍

Wonderful, thank you 😊

Fonstad was also very open about changes in Tolkien's conceptions and where and when and how she made decisions.

Wonderful video!

They are beautiful maps and it's a very well done video. Thank you.

Excellent work.

Liked this, thanks for the vid

Thank you, I enjoyed this very much. I've always been drawn to maps since I was a kid (I asked for a globe for Christmas one year). I would have been lost without the maps while reading LotR's. I don't have a lot to say, just enjoyed watching.

I love the maps and this video was a great way to think anew. They are still confusing but all have a perspective that is in the spirit of Tolkien, if not the cannon.

Love this. I feel like I knew all that stuff, when I read it but never put it into words. I remember pausing in my reading to consult the map. It made it more believable. Great job. Nerd.

Fantastic video.

This was great. Yes,more Tolkein maps, please! When reading LOTR, it was tempting to pore over all the maps in all the volumes. Scale matters. And part of the fun is guessing where the characters are at any time in the story. Heck, every mountain has a name, but they are not all detailed on the maps: part of the challenge and reward of reading this series.

Beautiful descriptions, I am off tomorrow to get the coloured Large wall map!!!!

Good video. The reader has to interpret the maps through the text, which can give more detail than a large scale map. The misinterpretation of the LOTR maps that bothers me the most is the idea that the land between Minas Tirith and the Anduin is a big empty plain. The text calls this "the townlands," a land of rolling plains that run down from the mountains to the river filled with farms and villages, something like the bread basket of the capital city. The worst offender is the Jackson movies, where the area is not only a flat plain, but the grass is also neatly mown.

I was a Professor of Geography for thirty two years so like most geographers I have difficulties with the 90 degree angles of Mordor. In Tolkien's defence he wrote his work before the confirmation of plate tectonics in the mid 1960's. However, he did have maps of mountains throughout the world that very rarely had such angles. But, he never claimed to be a geographer so "latitude" should be given him for his maps. He was a writer who a depth of imagination that will appreciated in the ages to come.

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Thanks for chiming in!

Great perspective on the art of Middle Earth maps!

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Glad you enjoyed it!

The Tolkien Society and others in the 80s had articles about where the mountain-ringed Mordor might equate to in the modern era; the Po valley in Italy was the most likely candidate.

Never saw the larger map until recently and was blown away by how close Umbar was to Gondor. No wonder the corsairs w ere always an imminent threat and how Aragorn was able to pull off a successful raid in his younger days.

A WONDERFUL EXPLANATION OF THE MYSTERIES OF MIDDLE EARTH. PLEASE DO SOME MORE . CHRIS

Fantastic video

Interesting video - and he is right, Fonstad's Atlas Of Middle Earth is an astonishingly engaging work.

A big part of my elementary school education, which began 60 years ago, was copying or labeling maps. I loved it. Sometimes you started with a mimeographed outline other times just a blank sheet of paper. My dad was a geologist with drafting skills. He showed me different lettering styles and let me have access to serious professional tools when I was in the 3rd grade. Of course I loved the LOTR when my friend loaned me the books in the summer before 7th grade. This video has brought back a rush of memories!

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9 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! That sounds like a lovely set of memories with maps :)

Nicely made, the maps and this video. :) i thought of the mountains as the skeleton of a giant dragon with mordor being the hips and thigh bones

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Cool idea:)

Well done. Thank you.

Great video. I vaguely remember obsessing over this map the first time i read LotR. Checking it out after reading a few chapters, being amazed at the vastness of the world and wondering what place would be like when characters finally visited there, and why. It was definitely a great add to the book and maybe even necessary, I wonder if LotR would be what it is today if these maps were never included...They greatly reinforced the logic and the wonder of the plot and fantasy world.

Thank you Was very interesting and very informative Thanks