It’s worth mentioning that Tom isn’t completely separate from main narrative. Eowyn didn’t slay the witch-king by herself. He was first stabbed by Merry with a knife crafted years before specifically to break the witch-kings evil spells. That knife was taken from the barrow and given to Merry by Tom.

@zamdrist

10 ай бұрын

Wasn't he mentioned too in the Council of Elrond, briefly as an option to keep the ring safe, and idea that was immediately discarded because Tom would be just as likely to lose track of it, as he would to keep it safe.

@paulgillespie542

10 ай бұрын

Indeed. Seeing Tom reduced to Aragorn saying "Here are these knives" at Weathertop was disappointing

@robegatt

10 ай бұрын

​@@zamdristTom is the only living being on which the ring has no power, so he would forget it and loose it.

@valhoundmom

10 ай бұрын

Yes, that is completely true, not Tom, no slain wraith. Because it was said he could not be killed by man and neither Merry nor Eowyn was a " man".. I always loved how Tolkien just had these little things that became big things later.

@richardclark.

10 ай бұрын

Exactly, when she said Tom doesn't advance the narrative I wondered what book she read. 3 things came to my mind almost instantly.

You wouldn't get this from watching the movies, but Tom DID advance the plot a little. It was when Tom rescued the Hobbits from the Barrow Wights that they came by the swords they used for defense throughout the rest of the story. It was one of those swords that Merri used to make the Witch-King vulnerable to Eowyn's fatal blow.

Tolkien described Tom Bombadil as a “comment”, I think with him being a soldier in the war, I think the comment he was trying to make with Tom was that even in times of war, evil and sin, it is possible to remain undefiled and pure. I think that Tom was such a majorly important character for Tolkien personally, because he represented who he hoped to be in a world that didn’t make sense to him. I think he would have been very upset that he was left out of the films, as the “comment” he wanted to make with Tom was so important to his whole world view, and for him personally such an important character to the story, as he represented hope in times of extreme darkness.

@seanrcollier

Ай бұрын

This is closer than anything else I've heard proposed. Great insight. It's like Tolkien's ideals built into the story, but with that hint of regret hanging over everything he wrote, that things just aren't at the happy ending yet and won't be for a long time. But let's pretend they are, in a small way, for a little while. Can you imagine how that master of unsubtlety Peter Jackson would have loused that up?

@jeremiah6462

Ай бұрын

​@seanrcollier You know, Jackson's LOTR adaptations have major faults to be sure, and his Hobbit adaptations are utter garbage. But, there is no denying that he brought more people to recognize Tolkien and respect Tolkien's stories than anyone else other than Tolkien. AND he also created the LOTR movies out of love for Tolkien and did his very best to respect the stories. A far better effort than anyone else had ever even attempted prior. Contrast that to what Amazon has done.

@seanrcollier

Ай бұрын

@@jeremiah6462 Definitely all good points. I'm still going to criticize him from a place of preening moral superiority.

@jeremiah6462

Ай бұрын

@@seanrcollier 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

@AnnoyingNewsletters

Ай бұрын

With the Soldier Tolkien in mind, Tom Bombadil is that bizarre, brief, Christmas ceasefire between the trenches. War is Hell, but here's just one brief shining shining moment of respite and frivolity to remind everyone of their humanity and to give them a reason to carry on in the face of the atrocities of the Great War, the War to End All Wars...

In my head-canon, I think Tom’s constant singing is a huge clue as to what he really is. In the Silmarillion, Iluvatar created the world through the Ainur’s singing. I believe Tom is a kind of rogue good Ainu spirit, much in the same way that Ungoliant is a mysterious rogue Ainu bad spirit. Both Tom and Ungoliant are unexplainable entities in Arda. While Ungoliant is terrifying, repulsive and aggressive, Tom is incredibly warm, inviting, loving and protective. Both Tom and Ungoliant were Ainu spirits who simply did not fall in with the regular order, and both became powerful, unique entities in Arda.

@DanBeech-ht7sw

5 ай бұрын

Bombadil has irritated me for more than 45 years with his pointlessness. People's theories about him are always wrong, and along comes you......and you have actually solved it. Your theory makes complete sense of a character that made no sense at all. I would buy you a coffee for that, and I tip my hat to you. Enjoy the day!

@WarHam.Saltsmoke

5 ай бұрын

@@DanBeech-ht7sw The singing is the key! When I first read LOTR, Tom was my least favorite part. I thought his whole sequence was stupid. But then after reading The Silmarillion and studying it at length, I then read LOTR again and when I got to Tom, I noticed it right away. The guy just sings all the time. I mean, it’s just obvious that he really enjoys singing…. a lot! What else could he be? I’m sure of it-he’s a purely good-natured Ainu who loved to sing and he just never stopped.

@DanBeech-ht7sw

5 ай бұрын

@@WarHam.Saltsmoke I never made the connection until you pointed it out. It amuses me that of course, Tolkien didn't know. Well done for developing an original, plausible theory that makes perfect sense of a random character that otherwise is just an annoyance.

@paulfenton5673

3 ай бұрын

I’ve heard the theory, and it’s my current head canon, that Tom is Eru Iluvatar himself. This relates to the singing but also Tom being a being of neutrality. The creator is not good or evil but “he is.” This is also my interpretation of the “don’t you know my name yet?” Line: Tom has many names and so is surprised that the hobbits do not know him.

@DanBeech-ht7sw

3 ай бұрын

@@paulfenton5673 "I'm no weather master, nor is aught that goes on two legs" - that would be a strange remark for Illuvatar to make. And "But he cannot alter the Ring itself, nor break its power over others." Can't see it myself.

I like how when Tolkien gets asked questions about his work, he always answers as if he had not written them himself but rather as if he was telling us about a story he has heard at a point

@OddRob92

11 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s called The Holy Bible, many of Tolkien’s writings are influenced by The Holy Bible and even other writings like Homers Iliad, The Odyssey, or even Viking Norse mythologies. Tolkien was a Christian so it’s no surprise that you see themes of faith, friendship, loyalty, perseverance, and self sacrifice in a world of his own creation.

@Mike1Lawless

11 ай бұрын

@@OddRob92 Not one single human ever thought of these types of things before someone invented religion. :D

@gib59er56

11 ай бұрын

Yes. Tolkien , when responding to letters speaks to the people like he is pondering on the same questions he is asked about. Like a man wondering about a true history. He invites you in and speaks as if he is right there with you posing guesses and trying to find a real truth or history. He NEVER is "the professor " with fans. He is one of the fans. As far as Bombadil, I think I know exactly what is going on. I will never know if I am right, or if there even IS a right or wrong to it. Iarwain Ben-adair, (sp?) Eldest and fatherless, is his name to the Elves. He is a being that the oldest Elves have known from their own awakening under the stars in Lake Cuivienen, in the age of The Lamps. He holds a Power my brother. What that power is , I think was great at one time. By the Third Age it has removed from all else save his tiny nook of the world by the Old Forest, and he will not pass that border willingly. He has turned his back on the wide world.

@philw6056

11 ай бұрын

@@OddRob92 If Tom Bombadil is connected to the bible he could be the god that created the first things and then stepped back. So he is or was immensely powerful, but nowadays he gave up, doesn't use or lost his power. Instead he is stil around to observe and live with his creation.

@OddRob92

11 ай бұрын

@@Mike1Lawless Can you prove your claim? Show me the proof.

I have always loved the fact that Tolkien seemed not to know a lot of what happened in Middle Earth; almost like it was a history he had studied extensively, rather than a story he had created.

@therealjamespickering

11 ай бұрын

@@stephenlaing2152 My comment said that he created the story, not that he invented everything himself.

@dimwoo

11 ай бұрын

Deliberately done for effect. His middle-earth has misty borders that fade out, hinting at unknown lands beyond. He constantly hints at and lets us glimpse things we barely understand or know little of to create the impression of vast spaces and deep histories. Outside of the Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion he left a large number of other essays and stories concerning middle-earth (all of which are in the History of Middle-Earth books), often in different modes of poetry or prose, some fully worked out and others incomplete or just snippets; and he did so consciously to mirror the way the literature of old lost cultures, like anglo-saxon or old Norse, has been lost and/or preserved in real life i.e. tantalising fragments that give us part of a lost whole, or works that regularly reference others that no longer exist.

@JustWasted3HoursHere

11 ай бұрын

As a matter of fact that's not far off from what really happened. That is, Tolkien spent a good deal of time writing the "bible" for Middle Earth before writing the stories themselves. Much of this has been published posthumously by his son. Anyway, it makes for a very detailed world that almost seems real. He even created the full elven language: He was a linguist by trade after all, and there are actually people in the world who can speak it fluently.

@jarlwilliam9932

11 ай бұрын

@@stephenlaing2152ost of the spiritual and theological framework of Tolkien comes from his very own Christian faith. It has mythological and Norse pagan tropes but bent toward a Christian world view. Tom Bombadil, Ungoliant, the Nameless things where all created by Eru the one and only God of Tolkien’s Legendarium. That is they aren’t just random spirits that came into being but where deliberately created by Eru.

@thelionsshare6668

11 ай бұрын

@@stephenlaing2152 and let's not forget his best friend, C.S Lewis, who provided an enthusiastic encouragement, as well as many, many conversations about mythology, theology, and philosophy.

The most credible theory would be that Tom is the pure embodiment of the song of the Ainur, seeing as Tom himself has said he “was” before the first acorn or the first tree on the land and “was” before the first dark lord came to arda. Makes a lot of sense when you see the character ungoliant because there are theories stating that she is the pure embodiment of the discord of Melkor.

@spracketskooch

3 ай бұрын

I like it.

@nomercyinc6783

3 ай бұрын

theres no credible fan theories of anything

@donaldcarpenter5328

2 ай бұрын

One of the few even OLDER than Gandalf!

@bdleo300

2 ай бұрын

Tom is cringe a f , good thing they removed him from the movies...

@jedidiahpavlik6260

Ай бұрын

​@@bdleo300Woah bra 😮that was deep as fu... 🤯

I liked Tom's appearance because it makes their experience closer to real life in that something appearing in your world is not always necessarily part of the immediate narrative. Whatever the story is, there are things outside it.

@plebisMaximus

2 ай бұрын

I liked that idea more when it was Glorfindel or Beregond and his son who were brought in shortly just to serve the small, but incredibly important role of humanising the world. They also fit better in the pacing. At the point Tom is introduced, there's so much stuff going in and so much momentum starting to build that just hammering the brakes for 3 chapters only gives me narrative whiplash. We also don't need something like this yet, because we've already at this point met a lot of characters that serve functionally no purpose. Characters like the Gaffer, Sandyman the miller and farmer Maggot aren't exactly brought into the story because they're integral to destroying the ring, but their inclusion flowed much better than Tom did.

The first time I read the part where Gandalf says he is going to have a talk with Bombadil like he's never had in his time it really filled me with joy and I cried some happy tears. The fact that Gandalf has such simple plans after their victory over Sauron and just intends to go have a chat with a character I had almost forgotten about after the epic tale that unfolded after the Hobbits left the Old Forest, somehow really tickled me and is to this day (about 20 years later) still one of my favorite parts of the books.

@dain6492

11 ай бұрын

That made you cry, jesus

@Frogger

11 ай бұрын

@@dain6492 yeah? Couple of tears of joy? So?

@edopronk1303

11 ай бұрын

I agree with you, it's a great moment. After all that happened, a well deserved rest.

@lillia5333

10 ай бұрын

​@@dain6492I hate how some people get joy from diminishing other peoples feelings. There must be something ugly inside them. My hope is that they will find the reason and become better persons one day.

Tom Bombadil makes me think of an all-knowing nature spirit. He reminds me of a Green Man of sorts. To me Tom Bombadil symbolizes the natural world and English countryside of old that Tolkien wrote about so beautifully in the Lord of the Rings. Both him and Goldberry are unchanging natural forces in a world that Tolkien saw changing rapidly after the horrors of World War Two. He is a force uncorrupted by greed and hate. He is a force that in unexplainable, above good and evil. When I feel sad I like to imagine myself as a tiny hobbit in Tom Bomadil's house learning about the lore of the world and eating delicious dinner with small forest animals -- my cottage core dreams.

@Jess_of_the_Shire

11 ай бұрын

I think that's definitely an aspect of the character! Tolkien loved the natural world so much.

@1three7

11 ай бұрын

I was coming to say something similar. He is nature and isn't bothered with humans or elves or their Gods. Not that he is bad in anyway. He's just so big and primal that humans are insignificant. He couldn't even benefit from the ring because he doesn't want anything. He just is.

@kingbeauregard

11 ай бұрын

There's another video where someone observed, and I quote: --- In LOTR universe there are 5 kinds of people : No powers, hero powers, magic powers, overpowered and hilariously godly overpowered. And then... there's Tom bombadil, who could have just simply walked/danced into mordor, punch sauron in the face, kick melkor in the nuts and be back before lunch time all while wearing the ring as a piercing on his dick. If only he gave a fuck.

@edamamame4U

11 ай бұрын

@@kingbeauregard Hah hah, that is brilliant!

@yggdrasild755

11 ай бұрын

Tolkien was a heathen at heart.

that was so sweetly sung by you, absolutely marvellous!

I love, love, love Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, and I love the inclusion of the side story. These days editors would 💯 insist on excising Tom. I really enjoy him for the reasons you mention, and for the sheer comfort I get knowing the hobbits have been saved from Old Man Willow and the barrow-wights, which is a pretty intense experience for them so early in their adventure. That comfort extends to knowing that they are *completely* safe from the Nazgûl, and probably everything else in the world. It’s an interlude of peace and safety I can’t find adequate words for. It’s like them arriving at Imladris and totally chilling out (well, maybe not totally), knowing they are safe with Elrond. These reprieves allow the reader to relax and reflect, a kind of pause in the action that seems verboten in our age of constant busyness and being thralls to our phones. I dislike the present world…which is why I think I love carefree, grandfatherly Tom so much. I hate when they have to leave. Thanks for another very literate, bang-on video and despite the creepy crawlies I enjoyed the dappled outdoor setting.

@haleywilson520

21 күн бұрын

Yeah, my reread is really making me think about how publication standards have changed so much that really great older books wouldn't have been published now, or would have been missing beautiful and meaningful passages. It's a shame

Tom Bombadil is a truly ancient being who pre-dates most of the major events that occurred in Middle Earth; I place his coming roughly contemporaneous with the earliest accounts of Keith Richards.

@bgrigg07

11 ай бұрын

Surely not that ancient!

@cyclingnerddelux698

11 ай бұрын

Beautiful.😅😅

@MicMc539

11 ай бұрын

The Worlds Most Elegantly Wasted Man. They don't make 'em . . . . . . . . .

@xensonar9652

11 ай бұрын

In the beginning there was Tom Bombadil, Keith Richards and Jesse Ventura.

@brianford-coates284

11 ай бұрын

Or Joe Biden.

I first read of Tom in the early 70s. At the time I was suffering from a traumatic brain injury (and still do). Tom embodied the peace that I didn’t have in life. I wanted so, so much to emulate him, if not be him. The thought of the peace embodied by Tom in his realm still brings tears to my eyes. God bless you Tom Bombadil.

@joshuawindus8519

11 ай бұрын

I like that. It’s almost like he’s a still pool, a little bit of peace amongst the chaos.

@JulieAiken

11 ай бұрын

Just a kind wish for you. I suffered a TBI (serious brain tumor and surgery) a few years ago, and will never fully recover. One doctor reassured me that "You have tremendous cognitive reserve." At which point my niece, serving as recorder and explainer of the appointment, leaned over and said "That means you're really smart." Not a day goes by a don't thank my love of reading for that cognitive reserve! Sending you continued healing and peace.

@louisegogel7973

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@JulieAiken and JD80 To both of you, I wonder if you’ve explored homeopathy for help healing!? Please, it would be worth going to an experienced classical homeopath for help. I’ve seen it work well with these injuries. My very best to you both!

@JulieAiken

11 ай бұрын

@@louisegogel7973 Thanks - I’ll look into it!

@jasonahdjfhsdfg

2 ай бұрын

With Tolkien being a solider in the Great War, and him describing Tom Bombadil as a “comment” in one of his letters, I think your description is almost certainly the closest to Tolkiens true meaning of Tom Bombadil. I think Tom is the embodiment of peace in a world consumed with war, aggression and sin. I think Toms inclusion was Tolkien’s way of showing that even in the darkest of times it is possible to remain pure and undefined.

One of the things I found really funny about Tom Bombidil was that at the Council of Elrond, Elrond put forth the idea that maybe Tom should take the ring, to which Gandalf quickly dismissed the idea. Because if they gave it to him, he likely would not understand the reason why, only to lose the ring or throw it away because things like that had no value or was of no interest to Tom. Truly in his own world, showing that he was outside the domain of right and wrong, good and evil, this side or that. He’s truly the embodiment of letting go of control and the desire for power. Pure indifference.

@tmarkcommons174

3 күн бұрын

Tom reminds me that we must forget the ultimate Truth in order to make this imagined world something that we can get excited about. He is a reminder that we are just playing out our parts in a dream. In Reality, everything is perfectly alright. Play the game, have some fun, it's okay. There is really nothing in this world worth fighting about; but forgetting the Truth and playing our parts does serve some purpose that will remain a mystery, for now, so as not to ruin its purpose, whatever that is. I think that we are all so incompetent that we would hardly persist if not for constant, divine intervention; but most see that not and somehow think that we are oh so clever in our ignorance. There is a master of the terrarium.

I think the sun in your face for this video about Tom just made it even better, it’s like the spirit of Tom was there! 😂❤

I think there is an additional aspect to Tom's character : as a very practical plot device. Yes, his chapter with the hobbits has an air of deep unreality and even whimsy that's tonally way out of sorts with the slow-burning fuse of dread present throughout The Fellowship of The Ring. However, later in the Council of Elrond, Gandalf and Elrond very logically and matter-of-factly debate the pros and cons of giving The Ring to Tom. They come to a clear and blunt conclusion it would be a bad plan. To me, this is Tolkien spelling out to readers that - despite the vast complexity of Middle Earth and the awesome supernatural powers of some of its inhabitants - there simply is no 'deus ex machina' available that can neatly dispose of The Ring. Instead, the only viable path forward is one of immense risks, tragic losses and highly uncertain reward. By taking the time and patience to flesh out such a potential 'deus ex machina' earlier in the story (and paying a price in terms of breaking the narrative and tone of the story), Tolkien's subsequent dismissal of this potential plot outcome is all the more real and jarring to readers. Very few writers would take such a storytelling gamble - but that's why he's JRR Tolkien.

@Jess_of_the_Shire

11 ай бұрын

Wow, this is a fantastic point! I hadn't thought of that, thanks so much for sharing.

@alanbeaumont4848

11 ай бұрын

The point is made that to Bombadil the Ring was irrelevant; his magic isn't connected with that wielded by the forces of light and darkness, his is the force of nature itself, without ego.

@oojimaflip8952

11 ай бұрын

The central motif of the Lord of the Rings is that "some weapons CANNOT be used for any cause". The act of using them destroys the cause itself. Tom IS nature. The One Ring is quite literally useless to him; Nature needs no weapons. Tom is just as likely to leave the Ring somewhere as he is to place it on his Wife's finger. I respectfully also suggest that Part Time Hobbit is quite wrong about Tolkien's view on nature; He spent a lot of time in rural Birmingham ensconced in nature and ever fearful of the damaging effects of industrialisation - another fairly central theme to LotR. To claim that nature was as alien as outer space to Tolkien is preposterous! Sincerely - A Full Time Hobbit. (An Englishman and a Worcestershire man)

@MajorMalfunction

11 ай бұрын

I believe he is somewhat of a self-insert. But it's also an important step in the hero's journey. It is a moment of peace and refection before the main struggle, allowing the heroes time to rest, to realise what it is they are fighting for, and to gather the resolve and fortitude to go forth. He literally arms them with the weapons they'll need to succeed.

@AvanToor

11 ай бұрын

...and then the birds came.

I read the Fellowship in 1965 when I was in School in New Mexico. I thought Gandalf was weary, tired of fighting and struggling. When, at the end of the Return of the King he told his hobbit friend he was going to have a long talk with Tom Bombadill, I was happy for him to be able to set his toils to the side and sit with someone who didn’t see him as a force of nature but a person who had carried a great weight for a long time.

@brucemace5404

3 ай бұрын

The same thing I wondered about When I read it as a young teenager in about’75 or ‘76 Went to rest and unwind.

@onojioboardwalk9748

3 ай бұрын

1:20 - I, WOULD, HAVE MADE, TOM, a FRIGHTENING-character - TO MAKE him WORK in the MOVIE-!! AHHAHHA-!!

@snoopstp4189

2 ай бұрын

That is the power of Tolkien, he understands what makes us feel good.

wow! what a wonderful video that was. thank you! as a huge tolkien fan since I touched his work for the first time I must say: you capture the essence of his created universe so perfectly in my opinion. your voice that almost sounds like music in my ears, calm beautiful and deep mixed with a setting in nature that is magical and peaceful... it really reminded me of tolkien's world and why I fell in love with it. I applaud to you. thank you again! I know where to go now when I want to consume some high quality youtube content :)

Seeing everyone wonder and talk about who Tom Bombadil could be, and the ideas and lessons behind him, is honestly so fun. But for the life of me I just can't question who or what he could be, because I already know exactly what he is. He says it himself, he's Tom.

@nordicmind82

Ай бұрын

A rose by any other name. Labels don’t say much, but from Tao/Zen perspective of an entity living with and as nature, as a song in a song, and always having been around, then a name might be enough. He who is. Welcome to the grounds. Your room is over there. That is Jonathan, the careraker and farmhand, that’s William, the farmer and owner of the estate with wife Jane and children Richard and Anna, that is Sarah, the house keeper, that is Donovan, the cook, and that, well that Tom. He’s always been here. Can I take your bag?

I read the book to my kids when they were young and the movies came out later and the first thing my kids asked after seeing the movie was "Where was Tom Bombadil?" and for years until they were much older they didn't like the movie because Tom wasn't in it. They like it now that they are grown but they still vastly prefer the books as there is too much missing from the movies for their taste, especially Tom Bombadil. Because, he was hands down their favorite part of the book when I first read it to them.

Somewhere I recall Tom explaining that Frodo cannot become invisible to him using The Ring because The Ring has no power over him (Tom). This helped me understand that not seeing Frodo might be a command from The Ring, rather than a change to Frodo. This video made me ponder whether _all_ of The Ring's power stems from everyone's (except Tom) desire for power.

@stapler942

11 ай бұрын

That comment about Bombadil and the ring being irrelevant to him comes from Gandalf during the Council of Elrond chapter, when the question is raised whether they could give it to Bombadil. :)

@lifewithyogiji

10 ай бұрын

I like that idea. It darkens the whole narrative even more.

@occamraiser

10 ай бұрын

In Tolkien's world age was power. That fact-oid was put in to demonstrate T.B.'s deep history and disconnection from the issues even of the pretty damn ancient Sindar (Elves).

@TyroPirate

10 ай бұрын

The ring is able to put the wearer into the “wraith world”, or into the “unseen”. Things in the Unseen world are visible to others in the Unseen.… That’s why the ring wraiths can see Frodo when he puts in the ring, and Frodo can see them clearly (instead of just that showy figure that they appear to be in the Seen world). It seems more like Tom is in both the Seen and Unseen worlds at the same time? or he can clearly see both… ? or who knows… maybe he exists outside of both of them but projects himself? He just, IS

@1ManNamedDan

10 ай бұрын

I think Tom might be an unnamed Maiar or one of the unrecognized/lost blue Istari.

I love toms character in the story. He adds a sense of whimsey to a dark backdrop. He's also a benchmark for the power of absolute good. And, he gives alot of hints towards the nature and power of the ring.

@tmarkcommons174

3 күн бұрын

I have walked to South America, with no money (before personal phones) and I did not speak Spanish. I have experimented with "no care for the 'morrow". I have trusted only the smiling approval of my guardian angels (who only approve of 'absolute good") and accepted that I will not die unless to die, at that moment, were a good thing. I have been rescued by intervention so many times that it is impossible for me to feel alone. Have fun. Make good stories for the after-death party.

This is the first video I've seen on this channel but I love the energy of it so much and this was very informative given the mystery that is Tom. Look forward to seeing more.

@jamberstone1

3 ай бұрын

Same for me!

That singing had me shook. Wasn't expecting that much talent in a casual LOTR discussion. Great analysis and beautiful voice!

@krunchyfrogg

3 ай бұрын

This video came up as a suggestion. I figured I’d give it a watch. That singing has me subscribed. I was very pleasantly surprised.

When Tom says that he's the oldest, I think it was a meta comment from Tolkien about how he's his oldest writing creation. So in a way, Tom is like Gopher from Winnie the Pooh. He's an interloper from outside the story.

@skycook904

2 ай бұрын

Puck of Pooks Hill (Kipling) has a lot in common. I'm sure Tolkien had read this, and Rewards and Fairies.

What a truly beautiful and unique video on Tom Bombadil -- thank you for this!

so glad i found your videos, they are a lovely experience every time

I think Tom does two other things that many overlook. First he introduces the Hobbits and the reader for the first time to the truth that as big as their struggle seems, as powerful as the elves and men and wizards and dragons and black riders and even Sauron seem, the world holds greater wonders. This is both the simple truth that you mention briefly, about nature and the world itself being bigger than the wars of Middle Earth, and also the grand truth that Tolkien's fantasy world is one of gods and eternal powers that are well beyond the comprehension of most involved in this story. While we can also read the appendices and the Silmarilion, in the course of the story, Tom is the introduction to all of this. Tom is also Tolkien breaking the fourth wall and reaching into the story to remind a young reader that the terrors of this story don't signify worrying over. He is the grandfather in the Princess Bride stopping mid sentence to say that Buttercup won't be eaten by eels. He is that moment when you are telling ghost stories around a fire that you step back and make a joke to break the tension. It drives me crazy when people categorize Tom as extraneous or unimportant to the story. This role is crucial.

@KeldorDAntrell

Ай бұрын

Well said and well observed.

@tmarkcommons174

3 күн бұрын

JRR said that he is not Tom. But JRR also spoke as if he did not make up the story, he is just telling it. Maybe JRR is Tom and just does not know that himself? It is a divinely revealed mythology. That is the gift of the story, to me, and I love it. It gives me solace in this world and it does not need to be the same to anyone else. Thank you, God. I am Tom. My life is better with that. I am at peace. May you also be.

It's cool listening to you sing the tom bombadil song because I feel like everyone has a different version of it in their head.

@yourhandlehere1

11 ай бұрын

I'm thinkin' his voice would be a bit deeper.

@rksnj6797

11 ай бұрын

@@yourhandlehere1, yes, Tom's voice would've been a nice earthy baritone or bass.

@iggyharl5780

11 ай бұрын

​@@rksnj6797 according to..?

@AskanHelstroem

11 ай бұрын

Joe, if u r indeed german, there is a rly awesome audioplay (hörspiel), produced by the WDR, in 1992 Top voice actors, top sound design... And top pick for Tom. A deep, warm, and cozy voice. like a chubby monk...somehow... The part where he scolds the willow is just perfect. And of course... "Heh, Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadonne... Hör den Ruf, eile her, bei Feuer, Mond und Sonne, Komm, bei Wasser, Wald und Flur. Steh uns nun zur Seite. Komm bei Weide, Schilf und Ried, aus der Not uns leite!" *-*

@Diogolindir

11 ай бұрын

I love Tom Bombadil and I struggle to know exactly why

Tom Bombadil really affected me from the moment I first read of him, and I totally love your take on him!

I have enjoyed several of your videos, and read the hobbit in trilogy, at least three times. Perhaps I’ll do it again at this later stage of my life. But I was completely impressed with your section in this video on nature. I think I subconsciously shared some of those views, but to have you articulate them, so succinctly was profound. My admiration for you has grown. I used to take those books into the woods to have a good read. Thank you.

Some of the history of Tom Bombadil, as you recount it, shows a subtle humour on Tolkien's part. Tom is not just "oldest" within the world of LOTR, but actually within the personal sphere of Tolkien's creativity. He's one of Tolkien's own oldest creations. The suggestion that Tom is a counter to the broader "good vs. evil" narrative in LOTR and represents a form of nature that does not recognize human constructions of value also seems very well taken.

@sturgeonslawyer

11 ай бұрын

Not, however, as old as (some of) the tales which would become the Silmarillion proper: those go back to his illness during his service in WWI, when he wrote the first version of (at least) "The Fall of Gondolin;" long before the Dutch doll entered the Tolkien household -- before, indeed, the children were born -- the "Book of Lost Tales," as it was originally called, was very much a thing in its own right.

@williamneal9076

11 ай бұрын

Perhaps one day all of us will be so blessed as to move beyond the duality to that view of his as well. Maybe then peace will be.

This channel is such a breath of fresh air in the field of Tolkien analysis. Not to put the others down, but they way you speak in such a conversational but still very clear and articulate way is so good, and your use of IRL footage really helps us feel like we're there with you.

Lady, hello! First time here. Your video is awesome. You have a great way of presenting yourself in front of the camera and the content is awesome. Thanks for the video! ^_^

"Don't you know my name yet? That's the only answer." I love that line so much lol and it tells us that Tom truly is unique. He's not a nature spirit or a Maia or an elf or man, those races all have names... there is only one Tom, so his answer to "What are you?" is always Tom Bombadil.

@benkenobi_

5 ай бұрын

OP gigachad god character lol

@Sacto1654

3 ай бұрын

Some scholars say that Tom Bombadil and Goldberry are "Maia gone native." That description may actually not be far from the truth. Maybe Bombadil and Goldberry took the Last Ship to the Undying Lands some time in the later Fourth Age?

@KS-xk2so

3 ай бұрын

@@Sacto1654 Maybe... I sort of doubt it though. Tom is the Master of his lands. For him to go to the Undying Lands, where either someone else is Master, or they'd clash.... doesn't seem right to me.

@bdleo300

2 ай бұрын

Tolkien was probably on some strong weeds (and mushrooms) when he wrote Tom...

@ArawnOfAnnwn

2 ай бұрын

​@@Sacto1654No, Tom was there even before the Valar came to Middle Earth, so he can't be a Maiar. As well another enigma character, Ungoliant, showed themselves to be powerful enough to nearly kill a Valar, Melkor, and shroud themselves from all the others. This is not something a Maiar could do. Gandalf, another Maiar, was scared to hold the ring, but Tom was unaffected by it.

In my opinion, Tom's role in the story is to teach the hobbits, and especially Frodo, that with proper discernment they can trust non-hobbits to have the morals and character to do the right thing. It helped set the stage for meeting and trusting Aragorn in Bree.

@Doverbendoverben

11 ай бұрын

This is a good take. Also I think it plays well in showing how unique hobbits are on there ability to rest and find joy in any opportunity to do so, drinking in the moments as they come. Its hard to imagine any other race of middle earth finding the same rest and carefree moments in the house of Tom. Habits truly are amazing creatures.

@turnipsociety706

11 ай бұрын

but Tom does not seem to have universal ideas - he seems nice and protective but very whimsical. Aragorn looks very different to Tom. Frodo already trusts elves and Gandalf; and has Bilbo's stories

@merlith4650

4 ай бұрын

Tom's role in the story will in most cases just bring up more questions and confusion, especially when adapting the story to the TV screen. You could argue it teaches the hobbits to trust the goodness in others, but I would argue this doesn't really work when Tom is such a strange enigma far detached from any othet character in the story. Tom isn't a good representation of others, only Tom is like Tom. He also doesn't really do the "right thing", he is carefree and unaffected by the rings power, but he is also established as very naive and unconcerned about anything going on in the world outside of his bubble. With no sense of duty, responsibility or purpose

@joehebert789

4 ай бұрын

@@merlith4650 Tolkien didn't write with any consideration for translation to other media. Tom was also the entryway into the unexplained/unknown parts of Middle Earth.

Liked and subscribed. Excellent video and analysis of the oddest part of LoTR!

I love your assessment of Tom Bombadil 🙏 keep up the great work ! Your videos are very hopeful and happy with your smile that lights up the room ! Your interpretation of Tolkien's masterpiece spot on 👍

For me the best part of LotR is the Hobbits adventure prior to them arriving at Bree when they are travelling on their own and of course Tom Bombadil is a major part of this story. It is understandable how he was omitted from the movies but the books give so much more depth to the story.

@zogthedoomed

11 ай бұрын

As a Brit this is the part that feels most recognisable and comforting.

@4thlinemaniac356

10 ай бұрын

Have You done a virtual you tube walk of the Malvern Hills which Tolkien Based Weather too on? Tolkien walked there frequently is beautiful. Enjoy.

I read The Fellowship of the Ring a long time ago when I was about 12 or 13 years old. Tom Bombadil immediately reminded me of the old "Rübezahl" tales from germany, of which a wide variety exist. "Rübezahl" is also present in Poland and Czech, probably even further than just that. He takes on various forms in a plethora of legends and tales and is mostly neither malevolent nor benevolent - he's just an entity older than the mountains. Sounds familiar?

@occamraiser

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Tolkien drew massively from european folk law. He never made any bones about that and I don't think he claimed that there was any novely in his characters/races/wizards etc - his genius was in the plot the cultural backgrounds and the languages.

You are a joy to listen too. And have given me much to think about. Thank you

You just answered all my questions!

I remember the first time I read Fellowship. And I was comforted that Tom Bombadil existed. I liked the idea that there was something which the evil of the world couldn't infect. I get why Jackson left him out of the movies, but I also really missed him. The movies were way more dread than hope - which obviously struck a chord with viewers. But I liked knowing that Tom existed.

@thelionsshare6668

11 ай бұрын

Years before, I had always pictured Tom Bombadil being played by Robin Williams.

@presidion11guy32

11 ай бұрын

@@thelionsshare6668 Oh, wow. You are correct. That could have been brilliant.

@michaelrandall9034

11 ай бұрын

I thought it to be such weak sauce that Jackson left Tom out of the movie. Somehow make AN ENTIRE MOVIE out of an appendage but completely avoid a major presence from the book. Oh well...

@boomerdell

11 ай бұрын

Superbly said! I had that same response to the character as soon as I encountered him for the first time when I read the books, and my admiration for and fascination with him grew as I finished the trilogy. That he and Goldberry could exist peacefully and fruitfully completely unaffected by all the forces whirling around them...I just loved that image.

@matthewsands3591

11 ай бұрын

​@@thelionsshare6668 I always thought Brian Blessed would have been perfect. But I can see Robin Williams doing it justice too

Much as I enjoy Tom, I think leaving him out of the films was the right move, though more as a matter of tone than pacing. People have a hard enough time as is comprehending why the ring is scary, to the point some still think it just turns you invisible and doesn't give you supernatural charisma that makes you appear larger than life and could sway entire armies to your side. Imagine, the movie just spent almost an hour hyping up this evil scary ring, Gandalf telling Frodo to NEVER put it on, and within minutes of runtime they meet this old blue hippie who can see Frodo wearing the ring (something Gandalf told him NOT to do two scenes ago!) and even handle it himself without being corrupted. Any suspense the movie had successfully built up would dissolve in an instant. In a book or even a game, a character like Tom can more easily be used deepen the mystery of the world and inject some much-appreciated whimsy. In a movie that's already moving a mile a minute, he'd be a distraction. He'd sabotage the narrative by making Sauron and the ring seem like not such a big deal and confuse the hell out of newbies to Tolkien's world.

@freefall9832

11 ай бұрын

Totally disagree, the film missed the mark in too many ways to count.

I love your insights, brilliant video! thank you

Thank you for this ❤

Originally I was really disappointed that he wasn’t included in the movies, but with more consideration I’m glad they didn’t. I think for a screen adaptation they would have needed to make a decision as to how he should be interpreted, which would have killed the magic of his character. He was always my favorite and I love that he remains an enigma.

@davidp.5598

9 ай бұрын

I was the same way. After I thought about it Tom really didn't have much of anything to do with the story. Of course, he did save the Hobbits from the Wrights and the old tree.

@RobBCactive

9 ай бұрын

Reading takes far longer than watching, having another horror and unexpected rescue, followed by a safe break adds to the possibilities in the world. A film, even a long one has to focus and cannot afford what is essentially a digression. They do use Willow to introduce Trebeard, the Ents are similarly ancient powers but inactive.

@KS-xk2so

9 ай бұрын

I wanted him cut and was glad they did it. I love The Eldest, but he doesn't advance the narrative at all, he's super confusing and mysterious, and nothing, from his look to his dialogue, translates well to film. Not to mention at this point they are just beginning to build up the power and lure of the Ring. Having Tom just casually dismiss it would destroy that.... and rather than listening to morons say "WhY dIdN't ThEy JuSt FlY tHeRe On ThE eAgLeS!" we'd also have to hear the same idiots asking "Why not just give it to that forest pimp dude from earlier?"

@logisticsnerd9699

7 ай бұрын

Fair enough, as long as we all can admit that the movies are unfaithful, I can see your point

@KS-xk2so

7 ай бұрын

@@logisticsnerd9699 I think unfaithful is the wrong word. They aren't perfect duplicates of the books, no movie ever is, but they are relatively accurate, and I think capture the spirit of Tolkien's world perfectly.

This is cool for me to hear. Thank you. A long time ago, my wife read, and I recorded, the entire Lord of the Rings out loud. She went into a kind of trance state (for real) and didn't even realize how she had assigned a different accent and voice to every character. She somehow kept them all straight. She also sang all the songs, and did a pretty good job with Elvish even! She never understood how she did it. She now lives in an adult family home with advanced dementia. I wish I had a place to share those recordings. I think people would enjoy them. I tried uploading them to YT but they killed my channel for it. Before they killed the channel, teachers were sending their students to listen along as they read the book. So sweet.

@jito7377

11 ай бұрын

Sounds awesome. Copyright is difficult...

@kumoyuki

11 ай бұрын

Soundcloud is pretty loose.

@lastmanstanding5423

11 ай бұрын

Torrent will work if you want to go around the copyright. If you need help with it let me know.

@liquidpig

11 ай бұрын

@@kumoyuki I think this is the way

@kingbolo4579

11 ай бұрын

I recommend archive.org

loved listening to you describe Tom. just and unrelated note will never get the chance to meet you, unfortunately (as a friend) but you have a very captivating appearance, a simple beauty thats probably greater then any well renowned fashion model or actress of beauty

This is a really interesting and enjoyable video. Really insightful discussuion, delivered very naturally and engagingly. I'm not a diehard Tolkien fan, I have just read Lord of the Rings and watched the movies (multiple times though), but I had a lot of fun and learned something watching it. Looking forward to the other videos!

I almost wonder if Tolkien himself is asking Tom who he is through the mouth of Frodo-he feels like one of those characters who makes his way into the story and has a will of his own regardless of the author’s plans.

@Tasarran

10 ай бұрын

Tom is Tolkien.

@Tasarran

10 ай бұрын

@@FortescueGimlet Incorrect.

@Tasarran

10 ай бұрын

@@FortescueGimlet Ah, since you knew him so well; I guess I have to bow to your direct empirical knowledge. (Not!)

@Tasarran

10 ай бұрын

@@FortescueGimlet My point exactly. You have none, I have none; you're opining the same as me, so piss off and quit acting like you actually possess knowledge.

If fans still wonder, like Frodo, who Tom Bonbadil is, Tolkien has done his job well.

The best explanation. Well done. I loved it!

Thanks for the explanation. Well researched and I like the concept of Tom you are explaining. Never been to fanatic about LotR, but this is great.

Something interesting to note - in The Two Towers Gandalf says very pointedly and multiple times that Treebeard, or Fangorn, is the oldest living being in Middle Earth. Tom also doesn't disappear when wearing the one ring, much like Sauron, which means we have to assume he also exists partially in the spirit realm. We can pretty confidently say that he is not a natural being of Middle Earth but that's about as much as we know for sure.

@LordAsh2424

11 ай бұрын

Not saying to be difficult but, maybe he isn't a being - he just "is" as Goldberry says, which can't be dated.

@chuckdargy5031

11 ай бұрын

And that's a clue to who Tom really is.

Tom’s sadness about the barrow hoard and his memories of the lady who wore the blue stone brooch always make me cry.

@chuckdargy5031

11 ай бұрын

Always makes me wonder who "she" is.

@gib59er56

11 ай бұрын

Holy shit!!! 40 years reading Tolkien and I never even really noticed that!! In fact "Fog on the Barrow Downs" is one chapter that for some reason I blaze thru. I have no idea why, but I do. When I read the Hobbit as a kid in 5th grade, LotR in Jr. High, The Silmarillion in H.S. and then grabbed every single thing Christopher kept putting out year by year and all things Tolkien, I read the Big Three, Hob, Lord, Sil. Beginning on Thanksgiving and ending with Christmas every single year, for roughly 40 years. I saw your comment and it hit me. I speed read that chapter every single time!! Wow, WTH? heh. Take care friend.

@RenTheCrow

11 ай бұрын

@@gib59er56 The fog messes with your thoughts while you're in it :P maybe it messed with yours too?

@gib59er56

11 ай бұрын

@@RenTheCrow Fair enough!! That could be the case!!

@AnnieRegret

10 ай бұрын

❤

I like your take on Tom. It made him much more interesting :) When Tom says he was older than trees or rivers, older than elves or men,.. it could just have been Tolkien meaning to say that Tom already existed as a character before he started to create the world of Lord of the Rings. As if Tolkien himself was talking to his own characters in the hobbit world, a very personal touch. These hobbits could have been (in a way) the kids he was talking to when he created the story of Tom. I must say, it is an interesting way to approach a story as a writer and I like it!

Your insights are spot on, welcoming and thought provoking. Your singing voice very much fits your vistage.

There are a lot of interesting theories on who Tom is: spirit of nature, Eru Illúvatar, or even Tolkien himself. I've always liked the idea of Tom being the Song of Creation personified. He was before all things and understands creation because he was a part of it being made. Either way, its pretty dope that Tolkien left something that would never be fully explained.

@stanislavkostarnov2157

11 ай бұрын

My theory also hold to Tom being the Song of Creation, but, not so much personified, as a medium by which it can enter into the world... not a moving stone (which is action), but the gatherer of moss, through whom the theories take hold into the world, he consorts with Goldberry, who is the crystalized personification/avatar of life that's within nature, but himself, he is beyond time and even living... he understands creation not because he was part of it being made (though he was), but because understanding is his nature, he understands nature in thesame way fish understand swimming, in thesame way we breath... Aidh fa Vm'naes Mn'ningvlo!

@MandyFlame

11 ай бұрын

My personal take too. We first meet Tom as a song.

@faustomadebr

11 ай бұрын

In Letters, Tolkien said he is not Erú, if Im not mistaken.

@huldaherna3935

11 ай бұрын

The Bunagaya spirits of red hair might have connection to this

@stolenlaptop

11 ай бұрын

Tom was a character he created before LOTR and he just stuck him in the story

Thank you. This is the best and most wonderful explanation of Tom I have seen in 42 years of being a Tolkien fan. He has always been one of my favorite characters and now I can enjoy him even more.

@penultimateh766

11 ай бұрын

Only 42? Rookie.

@dajcom

10 ай бұрын

@@penultimateh766 So now I am curious. How long have you been a Tolkien fan?

Wonderful exegesis! I believe an important key to understanding Bombadil can be found in JRRT’s allegorical autobiography, the short story Leaf by Niggle, about an obsessed painter: “There was one picture in particular which bothered him. It had begun with a leaf caught in the wind, and it became a tree; and the tree grew, sending out innumerable branches, and thrusting out the most fantastic roots. Strange birds came and settled on the twigs and had to be attended to. Then all round the Tree, and behind it, through the gaps in the leaves and boughs, a country began to open out; and there were glimpses of a forest marching over the land, and of mountains tipped with snow. Niggle lost interest in his other pictures; or else he took them and tacked them on to the edges of his great picture. Soon the canvas became so large that he had to get a ladder; and he ran up and down it, putting in a touch here, and rubbing out a patch there.” Bombadil is one of those other pictures tacked on to the giant canvas of Middle Earth.

Loved your commentary. Thank you.

tom bombadil is my favourite chracter in the whole of the lord of the rings. He is a lord of his realm, but does not seek control of the outside, he is unsolvable in a way and i think there should often be a chracter like that, enigmatic powerful but only in a specific way. having a fantasy world that is alien to us and then allowing a reader to see all of that worlds contents is uninteresting and doesn't allow the reader the space to fill the gaps with their own ideas. I love the moment when tom comes to rescue them from the wights. I think its deus ex machina but at its finest and most intriguing

@mikearchibald744

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for that, I'd forgotten that term 'deus ex machina', which is embarassing since I think I studied Euripides a long time ago. But thats exactly what I was thinking. I was working on a paper on the 'politics of literature' and thinking about the fact that in western literature, in fact MOST 'literature' we seem to only ever focus on ONE protagonist. I had heard two disparate things, one was from Bruce Lee who pointed out that films are fine but he said that its essentially impossible no matter how good a fighter to actually win against two opponets, let alone three. And yet how many movies are exactly that. So I was thinking, what if Frodo had told all the hobbits about the ring. They probably wouldn't have believed, but some would. So they made a plan to make a hundred rings that LOOK like the one ring. And a HUNDRED groups of four hobbits set out in every direction. What could nine riders do? Not a lot. Wars, as they say, are won by soldiers, not heroes, for lack of a better word. But in literature you have to focus on ONE protagonist. Therefore you HAVE to fill the story with these 'deus ex machina's' in order to show both how special the protagonist is, and that the outcome is plausible...usually by luck. Bombadil really only saves them from a tree, something anybody coudl have done. His 'purpose' is more to show the ring does not work on 'the world'. Its a made thing, not of the world, and so the world will always win out. Thats a theory I'm thinking of. That makes 'middle earth' the actual protagonist. The heroes who give themselves over to the earth 'win' in some sense, the sense being that the world goes on, even when they get multiple wounds. Thats why he's not only my favourite character, sort of liek Beorn in the Hobbit, but he's essential to the story.

I've always considered the character to represent how nature is neither good nor evil and is beyond the control of any power. I first read the books in the early 80s and I think your explanation is the most complete analysis I've come across. Well done!

@4thlinemaniac356

10 ай бұрын

There is a great video lecture on ArchtypalView channel The Red Book and The Red Book,Jung,Tolkien,and the Convergence of Images on you tube.

@danielsank2286

10 ай бұрын

I had the same interpretation, that Tom is Nature and hence entirely uninterested in the ring.

@intzbk1

10 ай бұрын

At first I thought he was one of the wizards sent over along with Gandalf, the blue wizards, etc but years later after re-reading the story I came to the conclusion that he and Goldberry were like nature made manifest. Goldberry reminded me of a daughter of Gaia archtype and Tom the manifestation of the power of nature in a neutral way.

I think Tom is the story's connection to his children and the stories he told his children, in a sense the origin of it all. Being based on his child's favorite toy it reminds him of their early childhood and innocence in a time when the LOTR was exploding onto the literary scene and his kids were presumably already too grown for toys.

I absolutely love the way you sing the songs.

I saw some video essay somewhere that Tom is the embodiment of Joy in that he is pervasive in the moment but is easily forgotten about when not in it. He also helps to remind us that even when things appear to be at there darkest, light and joy can still be found even in a small pocket. The Essayist went on to say that this was what Tolkien wanted to convey when choosing to place him in the story

@edopronk1303

11 ай бұрын

I like this. Better than the idea that he would be Eru or Tolkien himself. An untouchable concept personified is what I experience with Tom, and Joy is a good candidate.

@adamdavidson9717

10 ай бұрын

I believe the video is: Who is Tom Bombadil by In Deep Geek for those interested

@occamraiser

10 ай бұрын

I disagree. I think it was just a bit of fluff in a period when he was writing before WW II and he was basically still in a 'the hobbit' mindset rather than a WW II holocaust mindset - like most of the rest of the book.

The first eight chapters of FotR in general, and Tom Bombadil in particular, may not "advance the plot", but they do show what kind of world the plot takes place in. That's why I like them.

@cult_of_odin

11 ай бұрын

World building is a lost art these days.

@stevemuhlberger

10 ай бұрын

I have speculated about what would have been the impact of Tolkien if he had only written The Fellowship. It would certainly have a smaller audience, but I think it would have been considered an enigmatic masterpiece. When I last read LotR I wasn't motivated to read the rest. Imagine the scholarly and fan debates that would have taken place in that world! Imagine how different you and I and all Tolkien fans would be!

@MrMerryflu

10 ай бұрын

​@@cult_of_odingame of thrones

Tom Bombadil is the negative space in art. He is the break from adventure that makes you realise just how much adventure the adventure really is. He has the same effect on the story as Rivendell or Lothlorien have.

@bdleo300

2 ай бұрын

The only effect Tom has is cringe...

Very interesting conversation. Thank you. And btw nice singing voice

It's incredible. I have been part of this fandom for so long, and I clicked on this video expecting to hear the same old things I've heard and read countless times. I am so pleasently surprised. Your view on it was interesting and your way of expressing it was so passionate and natural. You made me wanna read the books again. Thank you. I have just subscribed and cannot wait to see more content from you.

@4thlinemaniac356

10 ай бұрын

Agree and perhaps a virtual walk of the Malvern Hills which Tolkien Based Weather Top on would be interesting?

@HaykoSchmidt

10 ай бұрын

Same here 😁

@ipuya

7 ай бұрын

Great comment on a great video 🙏

Been watching tolkien related stuff on youtube for years but somehow your channel has slipped past me. Now that I came across your channel I've been binge watching all your stuff lately. Great content!

"solving" Bombadil is an attempt at control, like you were talking about in Tolkien's letters. What a wonderful character, acceptance of what is and happy in every moment. I'm so happy this popped in my recommendations. Thanks PTH.

Thank you for this video - I have not yet read the books but I have seen the movies a few times and have played LOTRO for a few years. Your explanation hits the nail on the head for me and really clears up a bit of mysticism by, strangely enough, giving it more mystery. Tom is in the online game and honestly is really well done. Like you describe it's this wonderful separate world untouched by the rest. They seem to have captured all that you said - even while keeping the singing. I never fully understood it and have even heard others philosophize on how powerful Tom is and what kind of god-like-thing he may be. But the concept of nature - of being outside the rest of the world - really struck a cord. Nice job.

Very nice discussion of an interesting bit of the LOTR. I absolutely loved your rendering of Tom's singing; it really brings Tolkien's poetry to life in a way that I personally find hard to reach just by reading the page. You also have a lovely singing voice. Bravo!

I think Tom was a way for Tolkien to himself become part of his story. Tolkien's authorial position was deliberately not as a narrator but a reader, as the in-world premise was that other people in that world wrote the books and Tolkien just found and translated them. It's almost the opposite of the theory that Tom is Ilúvatar, the creator. Tolkien and Tom were not creators. They were merely observers of a world that existed in and of itself.

@Jess_of_the_Shire

11 ай бұрын

This is a fascinating idea!

@jameshill2450

11 ай бұрын

If someone ever asked Tolkien a question about Middle Earth that he hadn't written about yet, he wouldn't say anything like "I'll think about that" or "I'll come up with something." It was "I'll find out," as though it was a truth that already existed and was waiting for him to research it.

@fabrisseterbrugghe8567

11 ай бұрын

The tree that falls in the forest always makes a sound because Tom Bombadil is there to hear it?

@thtadthtshldntbe

11 ай бұрын

@@jameshill2450 thats part of the gimmick Tolkien used for the Legendarium. In the History of Middle Earth you can read the story of Eriol the Mariner, also called Aelfwine. He was a direct descendant of Earendil. In the 10th or 11th centuries (I forget which), he was allowed to travel the straight road to the Undying Lands and land on Tol Erresia. There the Elves told him tales and songs of the Elder days and the lost ages of the world. He came back and wrote all that down in old English. Eventually "Tolkien found it and translated it", which included among other things, The Red Book and other stuff".

@lasskinn474

11 ай бұрын

toms more like being outside or parallel to iluvatar - outside of any creation or creations of iluvatar - outside of the story. what sauron does wont affect him and neither will what anyone else does.

I think Tom symbolizes creativity, innocence, and tranquility. He is a being that chose to keep a hold of child like wonderment and innocence yet expresses it in a mature manner.

I am not even done watching yet and this is the best review / explanation of Tom Bombadil I have ever heard.

You done good! Excellent exegesis! Really fine analysis ~ thank you

The chapter about Tom Bombadil was a very welcome break in a plot of increasing tension. The feeling I got of peace, tranquility, and protection from harm in Tom's world I felt repeated in Rivendell, and in Lothlorien Forest. Tolkien gave us a world of ever increasing dread and doom, then would give his readers a break and a chance to catch a breath. The evil trees then Tom was not unlike losing Gandalf then entering Lothlorien. That take that "nature could never be controlled by anyone" is brilliant and something I didn't think about, but very true. The trenches of World War I decimated the French countryside, but the land lived on. Tolkien saw that decimation, and it's recovery. Amazing. I think Tom didn't solve the ring issue on his own is because he knew, whether Frodo or Sauron won, in the end (really big picture view), whatever happened, eventually things would return to how they were, just like the French countryside. It's the type of big picture view someone that has lived since the dawn of the world would take, and fits Tom perfectly.

I loved Tolkien's writing for that very reason. Not everything or everyone needs to have an ultimate purpose and sometimes a mystery give it long legs and eternal life for people to ponder about long after the author is gone. Tolkien's writing was like how his experiences were like in real life: You get separated in battle, where are your friends now? What are they feeling? And sometimes, some people you meet briefly in life, you never see them again. That's not bad writing, that's life. Tom is a mystery and I think that mystery give the book charm and realism rather than all the characters needing to be pieces that fit neatly into a final picture of a grand puzzle.

@TS-yd6cn

8 ай бұрын

This! So different to cunningly contrived plots where every piece will come back in its appointed time. Tolkien's pieces have their own agendas which the reader may never know and half the time I don't think he did either. Unique work.

@duncanramsay9262

5 ай бұрын

Indeed

@karabenomar

4 ай бұрын

I think this is a major reason why Tolkien's world seems so real. It's vastly greater than the story that unfolds within it, with detailed lore, lands, creatures, languages and events existing outside of it.

@KnugLidi

2 ай бұрын

The only part I found utterly annoying, is the damn talking fox, from the Fellowship of the ring. Only appeared once, and is completely unrelated to the rest of the story. Very out of place.

What a lovely video. Thank you!

Just subbed...I've been a Rings fan from 1971...over a half dozen readings, including the Jackson movies, and Ralph Bakshi's animated mess. I learned wonderful things from this video, and frankly, didn't give a hoot about TB. Now I see the nuance, and your singing captures the geist of the Age. Thank you.

Tom is an awesome character just because he is a rain of sunshine in an otherwise stressful part of the story - he gives the reader (and Frodo w/ squad) a much needed breather

@beaufryer2042

11 ай бұрын

I think you mean a ray of sunshine 😂

The first time I read the books, my very first thought when Tom Bombadill was introduced was that he was meant to be representative of "God". Little hints at this kept coming up, such as Goldberry explaining him simply as "He is ". (Biblically, God introduced Himself as "I Am"). Then later when Tom says to Frodo, "Don't you know my name yet?" with a kind of winky tone, it seemed to confirm that initial leaning, especially because we know Tolkien was a devout Christian. Although, I did also toy with the notion that Tom Bombadill was Tolkien himself! As the author, he was outside the narrative and couldn't be affected by it. And Tolkien, we know, was a lover of Nature and even said in interviews that the character of "Luvien Tinuviel" was based directly on his own wife. It's not too hard to make the leap that Goldberry might have been an early prototype of Luvien Tinuviel. Anyway... that's just my opinion. Totally open to discussion.

@hoppish088

5 ай бұрын

Luthien and Beren go back to Tolkiens earliest writings from 1917. Fall of Gondolin.

@hotel3667

5 ай бұрын

One of Tolkiens bigest hobbies, was Norse mythology! He borrowed heavily from it when he created his fantasy world. And God in Tolkiens world was Eru, also called Iluvatar. And Tom Bombadill was later revealed to be one of the minor Valars.

@epgui

5 ай бұрын

@@hotel3667 "was later revealed to be one of the minor Valars" -- Where was this revealed? I missed the memo!

@iamstan5251

5 ай бұрын

I like the “Bombadil is God” idea. Not necessarily inconsistent with “Eru is God” - maybe just another incarnation / avatar. (Gods are not bound by the usual rules.) Also compatible with being Tolkien, who is God as far as Middle Earth is concerned.

@merlith4650

4 ай бұрын

The god theory is rejected by Tolkien himself. Tolkien made it clear that "There is no embodiment of the One, of God, who indeed remains remote, outside the World". It wouldn't really make sense anyway, as Tom Bombadil is certainly powerful to some respect, but he doesnt strike me as all-powerful. While he is unaffected by the ring, it was specifically established in the book that he can't affect or destroy the ring himself, and that he is too carefree to be trusted in helping the cause of the council as his naive nature and seemingly oblivious attitude towards the conflict between light and dark, wouldn't make him reliable in taking care of the ring. Which wouldn't be consistent with Tolkien's view of Eru, who is very much against the darkness and evil, just like God is opposed to the devil and the forces of hell. But his influence operates indirectly and through some abstract and interpretive "divine intervention" (just like the the Christian's perception of God)

Well done ! A great analysis of Bombadil, which is not easy to do.

I understand why they left Tom out of the Movies. Personally, I'd have had him pass in the background of a scene as the Hobbits are travelling (maybe waving at them) just as an easter-egg for the books. Plus: wouldn't Bombadil be the perfect character for a Peter Jackson cameo?

There is a line in the first book. During the council of Elrond. One of the Elves suggest that Tom could take the ring and hide it. Gandalf basically explains why it would a terrible idea. The he drops the line that Tom would the "Last to fall, just as he was the first to rise" - It begs the question as to who Tom is. My thought was that he was some aspect of Middle Earth itself. We know Gandalf goes to see Tom when he parts ways with the hobbits at the end. He is very vague about what they spoke about. Tolkien just left it there for us to ponder and wonder.

@legomaster9190

11 ай бұрын

I ones heard a theory that Tom Bombadill is actually the creator, Eru Ilúvatar, in a form of that looks that of a man. While it has some potential, I'm not entirely convinced of this either. Maybe it is as the saying goes. "Some mysteries are better left unsolved."

@MrBlaktoe

11 ай бұрын

The ring has no meaning to Tom. He would be just as likely to leave it on the ground somewhere as anything else.

@penultimateh766

11 ай бұрын

Vala.

@TravisDoomGuide

10 ай бұрын

It’s also possible that Tom IS Middle Earth in an Avatar form.

@jonnyblamey

10 ай бұрын

I think he was one of those who sung world into being. A metaphysics Tolkien shared with Moondog, the world is song made flesh.

I always felt that Sauron's downfall began the moment Tom Bombadil handled the Ring, put it on, and did not vanish. At that moment, Sauron's doom was certain.

@96Logan

11 ай бұрын

Oh that's a good point!

@ms0824

11 ай бұрын

Interesting 😮

@cuebj

11 ай бұрын

Yes and no. The whole thing is in Silmarilion. Song of Iluvatar. Details might have varied depending on choices by created beings. But the arc of the universe was the song

@ullo-ragnartelliskivi4639

11 ай бұрын

@Telleva anti-christ? :D. interesting that you put your religion into this world.

@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life

11 ай бұрын

Actually as I see it Sauron's downfall and eventual doom started the moment he had the desire to control and dominate others when he could not even control himself. That was why he had already failed and lost the ring many generations before Good ol' Tom Bombadil even touched the ring.

Well thought out and presented. And great melody and singing of Tom's song.

This is unbelievably deep, but my sentiments are that you're right about nearly everything. I think that we are kindred spirits in that I've studied Jungian psychology and comparative mythology for the past 20 years. I got into Tolkien because of his depth of understanding in these realms. Tolkien doesn't seem to know everything about psychomythology, but he certainly has experienced the mythologies and philosophies of which he speaks, in a practical and very real sense. As expansive as my knowledge is, Tolkien makes me feel like an amateur theorist with no practical experience. He seems to have lived a full and complete life on his terms. I strongly feel he is the godfather of storytelling.

He’s the wise grandfather who’s unaffected by your situation and your journey, his journeys are over and he’s unable to help you, but he’s always there by your side, a mental safe haven, like a song that gives you hope. Songs can’t be killed, just unplayed.

nice conversation, thank you.

Thanks for this. Nice Host setting vs the typical Green Screen. Appreciate the reference to the Incomprehensible, so seldom heard now that we know everything . . . The Bombadil / Capn Bobadil link is an easy one, leading to King Boabdil, which to me links back to the Aragorn / King wanderer motif . . . To me the character is reminiscent of Kenneth Grahame's Piper at the Gates of Dawn . . . but ultimately I find the closest parallel in Chung-Li-Chuan (Wade- Giles spelling). 😺😺😺

Having a mystery like Bombadil helps with the longevity of the whole story, since curiosity is one of the engines of fiction. 500 years from now, when LOTR has become the prime myth of the English-speaking people, Tolkien scholars floating in their space universities will be holding class on Tom Bombadil.

@jorgealonso9792

11 ай бұрын

I think he's like their version of the one true God but that's just my take on it!

My personal take on it is that he is probably Eru Ilúvatar living as a strange hermit. His disinterest in opposing Sauron is basically how he treated Morgoth each time he tried to disrupt the song, he doesn't confront and sees it as an integral part of the composition. The ring having no power over him also makes sense in that context, so is him being older than elves, or having a wife that's basically an embodiment of nature.

@b_g_c3281

11 ай бұрын

@shorgoth _YESS!!!_ 🎯 _PRECISELY SO!!!_ 🎯

@jayeisner8849

11 ай бұрын

Yep, just hanging out, enjoying a little corner of his creation😎

The figure of Tom Bombadil, symbolically, may also take inspiration from the biblical figure of Melchezadek, King of Salem, from the Book of Genesis (IMO). Melchezadek is a foreshadowing of Jesus in the old testament. He is the only other figure that worships God at that time besides Abraham and his family. He is, in that sense, in perfect tune with nature, he's dialed in and one with its creator. Although appearing as a man, it would appear that Melchezadek has no beginning and no end. He just is, he's just there, just like Tom Bombadil is. And just like Tom Bombadil, Melchezadek points us to the source, the Living God who made heaven and earth. Because of the significant influence Christanity had on Tolkien and this saga, I wouldn't be shocked if the story of Melchezadek was in the back of his mind when he wrote this. I loved your video! Thank you for the wonderful production! God bless!!! 🙏☦️🕊

I also felt like Tom could be Aüle and gold berry Yavanna. But I also feel like Tom is representation of Tolkien himself although I don’t feel like he would announce that publicly. Tolkien loved trees and he loved nature and he was also good at creating songs. I think Goldberrry could be a representation of Tolkien’s wife. He also had another representation of their relationship and it’s on their headstones “ here lies Beren and Luthien”.

@archangelgabriel5316

4 ай бұрын

My sense to. That tom is manifestation of Tolkien himself

@davidbuick8401

2 ай бұрын

@@archangelgabriel5316 I'd never thought of that, but yes, it makes perfect sense. He was there before any of Middle-Earth, knows it perfectly, and nothing in it has any power whatsoever over him. The embodiment of the Narrator.

the fact that he was part of the storyline was enough like a meditation in some ways it acentuates the story by not rushing along with it and pulls us back like a rubber band flinging us back in with a rush toodles !