I try and avoid retreading other creators ideas, but this is of course hugely inspired by Many A True Nerd - kzread.info - Attempting this at the behest of a LOT of comments! Will be naming the series something different in future episodes, but want to show my appreciation of the original source series! :D Just another quick note - I have avoided watching the series in question to the best of my ability, so If I miss something obvious or retread on similar ideas please remember I avoid watching other KZreadrs series on games I play to try my best to avoid inadvertently copying the same content too much.. even if in this case the base idea is being used! Any good name suggestions?

@hydrasup1038

4 жыл бұрын

Run Name Suggestions: No Men's Run Iron Body Run Max Difficulty Run Warrior Run Iron Man Run

@lawrenceblade4437

4 жыл бұрын

Dude,thank you. You have no idea how much I wanted to find a human hivemind gameplay in stellaris!

@zhop951

4 жыл бұрын

Could call it: Mega-Brutal Mode (Plague Inc. reference) Armageddon Mode (It leads to the end of either your civilization, or the galaxy will fight tooth and nail until their's dies) The Run to end all Runs (How exactly can you go crazier than this?) Difficultas Ultima if you're feeling latin (IDK, Think you said your name was something in Latin) *Really* Mad Scientist Mode (You'd have to be really crazy and really smart to win at this)

@AdavidPT

4 жыл бұрын

Well, it could be the easiest way to play this challenge but how about going with a Driven Assimilator and set primitives to x5?

@victorcaldera249

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve got an idea you could do a video where you show off every empire you made

Make a new play with xenophile and call them "friendly friendly Humans"

@harbl99

4 жыл бұрын

'Huggy Huggy Humans'.

@hydrasup1038

4 жыл бұрын

@@harbl99 Awesome!!!

@leelambert1559

4 жыл бұрын

Dave “xenophone” Yes, we must call the aliens.

@taxevasiongaming

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@Zygorg

3 жыл бұрын

@@harbl99 now it would be "free happy coronavirus humans"!

Yeah, pacifists can "end threat" - the few times i play pacifists i love it when a threat empire is near me, it gives me expansion potential instead of always being boxed in by year 2220.

@amateurishauthor2202

4 жыл бұрын

As someone who used to play only Inward Perfection, I can whole heartedly agree

The hivemind really needs an "Infection" civic. At a guess it would play like the Borg civic for robots.

@noobsunleashed9703

3 жыл бұрын

like assimilators but for hive mind?

@trevorjanssen7465

2 жыл бұрын

Technically the genetic ascension path allows you to assimilate people in that way

@reinazer379

2 жыл бұрын

always wanted the full organic hive mind like fully organic ships for food something with hive worlds (maybe scourge-like infestation) maybe organic buildings there are some mods about that but IIRC they are no longer supported (infestation and forgotten gestalts)

This run was pretty epic in my opinion, we managed to get a grasp on how difficult it is and even one of the best and funniest Stellaris players couldn't make it. Thanks, Lathrix.

@lillysworld3935

4 жыл бұрын

Epic

And so it begins - the -1 Perception MATN-Jon vs. the -1 Speach Lathrix. Lath challenged Jon, but Lath couldn't speak properly & Jon totally missed the Challenge mail!

@addisonbaker8211

4 жыл бұрын

I really want to see Latharix lose the challenge, just because MATN won when he completely thought he would lose and generally people say the best players are either Lath or Aspec.

@KissatenYoba

4 жыл бұрын

@@addisonbaker8211 MATN had great luck with Zarqluan (glory to Zarqluan!) It snowballed into victory right after that. Not that he's unskilled - he most definitely is skilled - but that was the biggest factor.

@HoHhoch

4 жыл бұрын

@@KissatenYoba Well. He also played a race that was extremely friendly and diplomatic. That makes a HUGE difference.

@KitKatHexe

4 жыл бұрын

@@KissatenYoba the head of zarqlan only gave him the foothold he needed to build up to a sizable amount of tech he said it himself in one of the mid series episodes, after a certain point the head of zarqlan fleets became entirely useless for anything other than cannon fodder because he couldn't integrate them into the spearhead formation

Sounds like a 40K run.

@randomstuff9005

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed!

@Ithorn110

4 жыл бұрын

Humans are basically a devouring swarm already.

@randomstuff9005

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ithorn110 yeah we eat all the minerals then move on!

@RuslanLagashkin

4 жыл бұрын

I feel that run with Tikkiki-Ti reptile purifiers was a W40K pre-history with Old Ones . .

@havel7661

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ithorn110 uh, sounds like u are no human lmfao.

Can't believe I only just now found your channel. Truly amazing quality content, well edited videos that are a joy to watch instead of just 120 chunks of footage from twitch sessions like every other content creator lately. Please keep being awesome!

I’d say try this again as a Lithoid Devouring Swarm. More habitability and being able to focus entirely on minerals and energy instead of wasting districts on food would be amazing.

@ovencake523

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't there a chance you'll die early though if you spawn next to an a aggressive faction? I'm an idiot when it comes to Stellaris, but don't devouring swarms rely on numbers? The slow breeding rate lithoids have would be really painful.

@Birbucifer

4 жыл бұрын

OvenCake Yes but hive minds get bonuses to their population growth. The lithoid breeding will definitely hurt ALOT you’re right about that, but it’ll be balanced out by being able to grow more pops at once due to being able to settle more worlds at once from their higher habitability. Basically the strategy with hive mind lithoids is just spam colonize to keep up with the negative to growth rates, and plus I believe devouring swarm lithoids get MASSIVE growth rate bonuses when they devour a planet (something only lithoid devouring swarms can do).

@addisonbaker8211

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think they get growth rate, but what they can get, though rarely, is free pops. (Or minerals or alloys)

@Birbucifer

4 жыл бұрын

Addison Baker THEY GET ALLOYS???????? THATS SO GOOD WHAT THE HELL

This is why i love viewers from this amazing ytuber so much positive energy , so much in fact that this is giving me energy to go forward for this day.

Recently subscribed to you for great content like this. Love all the different runs you do, has really improved my own game!

This is pretty epic, i remember watching MATN's run and i hope your run turns out just aswell

@kamo808

4 жыл бұрын

wasnt his run ....... UNCUT???!?!?!?!?!?

@kamo808

4 жыл бұрын

@@lordyoda607 Why should you watch stellaris uncut?!

@SimonL98B

4 жыл бұрын

@@kamo808 If the caster makes it entertaining ill watch anything

@kamo808

4 жыл бұрын

@@SimonL98B 2 girls 1 cup?

@addisonbaker8211

4 жыл бұрын

God, I remember when that was still coming out.. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. Dumb Spuxulacs.

Let it be known in the Book of Days, I was here for this. I was SO here for this.

What about a megacorp? Make everyone like you by making them rich!

@personwithaname271

4 жыл бұрын

)CAPSLOCK(STRATEGY MATNWASThatBUT

Glory to Lathrix... abd All Hail John, the Many A True Nerd! You both are ny favorite youtubers :) Keep it up Lathrix

The following of the "stellaris épisode 0" plague Inc épisode, finally!

When I play Stellaris on normal difficulty: 1. Everyone is somewhat equal to me. 2. I'm a bit better than another empire. 3. War 4. Stomp the Galaxy I think I need to scale the difficulty up.

@Kevineitor199

4 жыл бұрын

i just got fucked by a federation and loose many system, glady i managed to get most of them back, and i fuck them back by destroying their navy, the next one they are going to loose easily

@KitKatHexe

4 жыл бұрын

Are snowballed out of control, worshipped the worm, colonized the L-cluster built a few megastructures still had 70 years left til mid game start and half the Galaxy was my vassals and the other half was a single extremely large federation of 6 major powers, then I rebooted the game because of graphical glitch and found out that federation's have released two days prior, and with the galactic community now being in the save game... I've crippled literally any chance of diplomacy that the other empires have, I'm going full-on palpatine "I am the Senate!" Shit

@leelambert1559

4 жыл бұрын

When I play Stellaris on normal difficulty 1: pathetic fleet, massive citadel, massive tech 2: become friends with the Commonwealth of Man, the United Nations of Earth, and two Federation builders, then hate Man because your federation members are hated by man. 3: go to war, lose horribly.

This was cool, Ive been waiting for something like this. Devouring swarm is rough to be sure and youre already at a huge disadvantage to start with. i think maybe a machine empire would work better. fewer resources to balance, immortal leaders. just because the game settings have to be max doesnt mean you cant make a strong empire.

I think you need to play machine empire for good habitability

Seeing as Thanksgiving is tomorrow, this is very relevant.

Well, that count as full playthrou

Needed to also start with a random empire for the complete challenge. But, looking forward to the run anyway ;d. Also tfw your empire is actually Triple H.

Playing with hoomans on max difficulties was interesting, since it leads to a great narrative of how things could be in real life.

My opinion... Maybe go Lithoid / Fanatic Xenophile + Spiritualists and go Psy route, or + Materialist and go synth?? Perhaps, go heavy into allies and diplomacy but rush alloys, and research better tech, first perk as technological ascendency. Just a suggestion.. ALSO, Kudos to you for playing the game til the loss, AND for still uploading it!! You'll get it eventually!! You're pretty good at the game.

if u want to play as a swarm litoid is the best cuz it allows u to focus on minerals instead of splitting that for food

If someone can pull this madness with a horde, it's you! If it is really impossible this way though bribe them all as not a horde! I will watch any version gladly.

Random fact. I had never a game where I didn't have fanatic purifiers with an advanced start as neighbours even when I removed the option. Welcome to my world. xD

Ay we did it. Gl my friend.

I got into Stellaris from watching Jon from MATN. And now to find this just makes me smile.

Hell yeah it's here!

Why have I never thought about this

These runs are all i do and i recommend saving 20+ a month till you finish the supremacy tree for the no retreat option. When you get around 2.5k alloys is when you wanna suddenly build a fleet to avoid wasting it on upkeep through the years. Also build a unity building to get supremacy finished within 15 years. With the no retreat option youll be way bigger then the ais. You do want at least one or two systems for some anchorages but otherwise stick to let the ai expand for you at the start to avoid wasting alloys and minerals. After one or 2 ais gone youll have a big empire and income to easily keep up with ais unless multiple war you at once. This is how i play which ive perfected over who knows how many games.

Please don't give up, you were so close!

Nice meme purifiers, unlucky with the advanced neighbour, literally impossible to beat one early on grand admiral imo. GG see you in the next ;)

Beginning of the video: I expect rapid unscheduled empire dissassembly

Alternate idea: inward perfection so you still get the bonus pop growth but without the massive CB. Or just a non-hungry hive.

So this is the hive mind human play trough we’ve been waiting for (Plague Inc human hive mind)

Maybe a fanatic xenophile, machinist or a technocracy. When you leave the max difficulty mode, you could try a diplomatic Hive Mind, which would be interesting.

@PaladinElliott

4 жыл бұрын

technocracy requires fanatic materialist so that wont be an option

If Jon can do it, I sure hope you can

happy Thanksgiving everyone!

So while at war with an existential threat, you tried to continue expanding your empire instead of poring ALL of your resources into defense. You were not continuously building ships and after maxing out the rate at which you build ships you could have built a second shipyard or you could have also tried to spend your excess on defense platforms at your choke point.

I´d recommend fanatic Xenophile and materialist and boxing yourself in, rushing down the techs, and regarding habitability you could make use of the lithoids

Hey man, if you want an even harder challenge, I recommend of course using Starnet AI mod AND a mod called Hemothep's Dynamic Difficulty Should be a true challenge.

I play a lot as devouring swarm, and it is only playable at 2 difficulties down from max. You can even develop stronger and take out first 1-2 empires who attack you at max difficulty, but the problem is the more territory you have, the more bordering empires, and they all will attack you, so you end up with like 4 different wars at once, and you may be stronger than each individually, but you cannot be everywhere at once, so always lose in the end. The only chance is to be locked in by fallen empires and have no or just 1 choke point. Even then other empires will kill you like 100 years into the game. Note: I also play 5x points per research, so maybe a bit different play to what you get with default 1x.

What I'd do: Go Lithoids, Xenophile, Fanatic Materialist, go for the lithoid secondary species and get one of the rare resource traits (Prioritize gases), get intelligent and/or another rare resource trait for primary species. Bio-reactors might come in handy, and let you get use out of agri districts and early servile restrictions(Since it's energy it could give you that early boost to the economy, and replace when needed later in the game). Rush a second alloy factory on homeworld to supply for ships, then go full research on homeworld. Definitely plan to build tall.

@PaladinElliott

4 жыл бұрын

bioreactors are only a thing for machine empires. He needs to expand as much as he can so he can get as many planets. He could go on a Gaia world if he wants to play tall. This could work, but the issue is growth speed. the -25% growth speed will hurt lathrix too much to have lithoids as the main species.

I think try a different approach, looking forward to it!

If you want to do the non-friendly run you try the Determined Exterminator's, or Fanatic Purifiers with Post-Apocalyptic. To be able to use any world you find right away.

The HHH deserve a second chance, IMHO. Maybe with advanced starts off?

@Corbald

4 жыл бұрын

@killer 23088032 True, but I'd still like to see a second run with them.

12:04 Can we just talk about how you were like "Stop just finding physics, find something useful!" and they IMMEDIATELY found alloys?

tech/tradition cost should be maximum for max difficulty because then you will have a bigger trouble catching up to fallen empires and the crisis, although then it might become literally impossible without becoming friends with everyone and banding together against the crisis

@Regunes

4 жыл бұрын

That would be Litteraly impossible XD. 100% rng oriented. crisis would have to spawn as far as possible. Contengency? well you dead.

I'd really like to see a retake on this challenge with the newer patches. Just leaving a comment for an awesome video.

Good luck Lath...

New diplomatic cat empire called the friendly friendly felines

Extremely tall xenophile megacorp would be both interesting to watch, and have a decent chance of success.

yo lath...., you were fighting with the scrap corvettes......."this will not turn out like you expect"

@Lathland

4 жыл бұрын

Haha don't worry, they were already changed to the best weapons and such, If they were as they were when completely stripped of equipment they wouldn't be able to move systems to engage as they did nor even fight at all! They would have 0 listed fleet power.

About the idea with starting on a habitat, the next DLC has Origins wich has start on a habitat and one your homeworld is about to explode flee to the stars.

You could "recreate" Titan A.E. when the Origins came. Start with the voidborne origin. Humans. After Earth Colony. And just try and get to a Titan/Worldbreaker. Second idea. You can "top off" the other empires with 20 xenofobic fanatic militaristic empires. All with the same race and trates. Just "Empire X Section 1" and count up to 20. Let's se if you can make it.

This is actually how I play normally. I had no idea this is considered impossible. I win 1 game in 20 normally but I just feel like this is the way the game was meant to be played.

id say go tall af and hope you spawn in a corner and get the ring world as the starter

Might want to go either for lithoid or for machine empires so you can make early use of all the worlds in your systems.

Yes yes mooore

I love how you made it as hard as possible and you can see that it says "Not eligible for achievements"

I am wondering if you might do some ftd when it releases, it's perfectly fine if you don't since your burnt out. Maybe do a collaboration with borderwise or spud cubs.

I think it might have possibly worked if you'd have another planet and had a little more time to build up to force limit to fully utilize the fire rate. Supremacy certainly was the right choice though. In general, an empire that can prevent getting attacked early on and keep the pops it conquers would still stand a better chance I believe.

I say try again if for no other reason than the name is worth it.

wonderfull!

the snivelets shall rule again

Maybe for the next attempt you could try to use a megachurch to befriend and leech off of all these powerful neighbors. That'd be at least funny to watch

In my opinion, the best approach ( or best empire ) is fanatic xenophobe ( get the growth bonus + cheaper expansion without the huge -1000 opinion ) and a normal pacifist, go with inward perfection ( more growth ) and the second trait is go syncretic evolution and go with lithoid as a secondary species.

@PaladinElliott

4 жыл бұрын

if he wanted more growth he could go mechanist for robot production, and if he wanted more influence go authoritarian or egalitarian. Also inwards perfection will not help because he needs friends.

Friendly Lithoid : The Rest in Peace Marbles !

I think that the tech rush Strat would work as you will need to play tall as the other empires will be trying to take everything from you and they will get extra resources and all that from the difficulty so you need to just turtle and almost act like a fallen empire at least that is what I would do

@danielporter9523

4 жыл бұрын

btw I do not play the game personally

Suggestion for Federations in 2020: Do a series based on David Brin's Uplift series. Humanity is a new species in a universe based on species patronage, with elder species in charge of a sort of political pyramid of uplifted species. Despite having recently achieved space travel humanity gets 'elder species rights' because they uplifted dogs and dolphins. Half advanced start species, start with xenophile/materialistic, syncretic species origin. Weld the young races into a federation to survive.

@CreeperDude-cm1wv

4 жыл бұрын

To survive what? The end game?

@LowbrowDeluxe

4 жыл бұрын

@@CreeperDude-cm1wv with 50% advanced starts, bound to be a few militaristic. Which, to be sure and to fit the universe, probably turn on Aggressive in the start options. With Aggressive on even if they like you militaristic races tend to try to manufacture border friction and set rivalries. I'd probably make it a rule not to defensive pact/federation with any of the advanced starts till year 100 or something, too. Set mid-game to earliest start date, end game maybe a bit early but isn't the point. The series was a mostly hostile/indifferent universe where maintaining independence was a massive win in itself. I'd also call being made a vassal or forced into a hegemony a loss, including the Great Khan and Awakened FE.

@CreeperDude-cm1wv

4 жыл бұрын

@@LowbrowDeluxe ah so sticking together in a rather hostile universe.

-Lithoid -Corporate Civics -Free Traders -Private Prospectors (Naval Contractors)

@PaladinElliott

4 жыл бұрын

This is ineffective because it requires energy, and a lot of influence to make branch offices which may not make enough of a profit to be worth it. The influence is needed for outposts and edicts

@maltek1542

4 жыл бұрын

@@PaladinElliott The advanced empires that begins next to you means that there is nowhere to expand. And thanks to advanced starts there should be many places that it is good for branch offices.

@PaladinElliott

4 жыл бұрын

@@maltek1542 When you look at where lathrix started, if he got on good terms with the empire to his south he could have expanded in every other direction, but not much to the east because of the fanatic pacifistt

@maltek1542

4 жыл бұрын

@@PaladinElliott I think he got a bigger area than usual thanks to the fallen empires

Lathrix you should be a rogue servitor with lithoids! It is very powerful because you can get unity and gases from them. It allows you to get traditions extremely quickly. For your second civic pick either rapid replicators, rockbreakers, unitary cohesion, or introspective. (i would reccomend rapid replicators, or introspective) I play this empire in multiplayer games and do very well. You could pick rockbreakers so that lithoids do not limit your mineral income though, or unitary cohesion to go full on unity. Your robots should have mass produced, the one that gives +5% resources, and luxiourius. you can edit what i have told you f you want and anything i have not said is your choice. Please like so lathrix can see this

Do the more diplomatic way, because you can also see some more instead of dying in the beginning. You have a higher change of surviving, because you can get protection. You can also do an overpowered robot empire. Robots are pretty insane in both the beginning and end-game.

@PaladinElliott

4 жыл бұрын

robots falter at end game because at that point organics have caught up to you in terms of growth speed and consumer goods are better for science than minerals Edit: also organics have arcology projects

Starnet A.i is a monster of a mod. when you get 500 fleet the A.I has like 2k. the only way i found to win is to get defense treaty whith another empire in the early and tech rush to BC. if you are going for this chalege i suggest you try that :)

How about going with determined exterminators? You can inhabit every world though the pop growth will not be as good at the beginning. However, you can get up to almost 6 growth per month with the right traits until you are able to research more robot modification points and the research for 10 percent assembly speed. Additionally you can go with a Terravore Lithoid Hive Mind for additional habitability and still have the ability to go for hive worlds, though i think machine worlds are a better type of planet for the respective species.

GO GO GO HUNGRY HUNGRY HUMANS

The worst thing about genocidal is that EVERYONE has a valid cb to annihilate you

12:04 Albert: O_o Lath:#! Albert:-_-

Were you fighting with the "scrap" type corvettes?

@Lathland

4 жыл бұрын

I updated them, If they were as they were when I first made them they wouldn't even have weapons nor be able to move to new systems! :P

I want you to keep with the hungry Bois (but if you do do another empire avoid xenophile military or megacorp. That was MATN run)

One more attempt with HHH!! 🙏

RECKLESS REPRESSIVE ROCKS - Same empire but as Lithoids for expansion purposes.

its flipping time gents

I'm no expert, but the best secondary ethic to FXenopile might be militarist. From my memory (might be wrong) Pacifists don't directly dislike Militarists, just Indescriminate bombardment. Also, regular militarists have access to every war philosophy, so they can change it to get rid of "differing philosophy" when creating a federation with pacifists.

Perhaps a mega corp would be a good option for these max difficulty runs? You wouldnt want or need to compete for space as much, and instead would want to just build up branch offices everywhere.

Smart naming both DE & DS after yourself that way even if they win you do by technicality.

You should consider the possibility of surviving as a vassal of another empire in a future playthrough, as actual defensive pacts might be too hard to get.

The only reason the other guy completed his impossible run is because he got a relic that spawned him every 10 years 5k strength fleets(end tier tech) for free.

@personwithaname271

4 жыл бұрын

)LOCK CAPS SORRY( HEADZARQUIANSOLDgOOD

@personwithaname271

4 жыл бұрын

BACKWARD IT WHY IDK ALSO

@yeetskeet1581

4 жыл бұрын

@@personwithaname271 amazing

Yes! Cult of MATN is spreading :-D

Imperium of Man would be perfect for this

I think devouring swarm is fair , If you really wanted the most powerful edge you would have gone driven assimilators . Also while you could have gone some kind of Xenophile and formed a giant federation i actually think thats gaming it harder since its fairly easy to do and ensures that unless you start between a couple genocidal empires you basically wont have any threats . So anyhow i think Devouring swarm is fine , though playing as fanatic purifiers yourself would have been interesting also .

First Let's play that was 100 % finished. LOL

May i make a suggestion? Human Hive SPQR Devouring Swarm, Strength of Legions Very Strong, Agrarian/Resilient, (Whatever negatives you desire) I had much fun fighting with +100% extra strength armies or +150% on defense if you choose resilient. Rome will Expand.

If I was going to try this run, I might try Lithoid Very Strong/Resilient, rush planets and try to fortress world. Rename homeworld Cadia.

@zhop951

4 жыл бұрын

Lithoid Devouring Swarm

@user-zm3wq9eq8q

4 жыл бұрын

*The planet will break before the guard does*

this is why i never turn advanced neighbors on. Its not adding difficulty, its adding an early potential restart. Its impossible to deal with an advanced empire that wants to beat you into a pulp early game, so its just hoping they at least dont want to kick your teeth in long enough for you to catch up

I should have guessed the outcome of this attempt by the video length...

i managed to survive as fanatic purifier against 3 neighbours passing the war ball (declaring one after another get peace) by spamming torpedoes, you could try the same tbh and by going military first

Habitable worlds set to 1x is WAY too many. Even setting it to 0.25x is still too many. There's a mod that makes it even less and it's really worth playing with it on. Makes planets so much more valuable. The mod is !MicroMod - Rare Planets 80%. There is even a 60% version if you think 80% decreases planets too much. Also, planetary diversity is an excellent mod as well.