Static vs Modular Terrain for Necromunda and Warhammer
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Today we try to tackle some pros and cons of static terrain, specifically Necromunda tiles vs modular terrain. I'll also show you our next build and our thoughts to approaching it.
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@tabletopwarjames is super talented and a really nice guy. He has inspired many of my own tiles
@MiniatureGameMontage
10 ай бұрын
Yeah he’s an awesome dude!
Thank you for answering my comment and the shout out :) much appreciated !
I liked the comment about the rhyme or reason behind a Necromunda table and my honest answer would be this: the Hive Cities of Necromunda are built upon tens of thousands of years of past construction. New buildings just slapped on top of old ones, or parts of the old ones are repurposed to fit whatever the hivers needed possibly hundreds of years ago or maybe a dome collapse brought down an upper level of the hive. That's how you can totally have the ruins of a cathedral, a manufactorum, and an abandoned hab block and it still makes sense within the logic of the game world! Great video!
Just to point out, static + modular tiles should be able to be combined as well, so you can get the best of both worlds. Speed up setup & get a few cool set pieces with statics, maintain flexibility & save on storage space with modular
@MiniatureGameMontage
8 ай бұрын
Yeah often I’m setting stuff up and thinking that. I’ve had some setups take an hour.
You have the best Necromunda tables. I love seeing what your setup is going to be from game to game.
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Just an adult playing legos, lol.
great video!
Another great video. Your Necromunda vids have been so helpful from painting terrain to learning the rules. You even show the Enforcers some love from time to time. Thank you for what you do.
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Glad you have found them helpful! :)
Great video! Some fantastic points. I’ve been thinking about doing some semi modular tiles lately so will let you know how they go. Appreciate the shoutout brother and keep up the great work. ❤
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see! Also any storage solutions it helps with would be fantastic.
This is easily my favorite video you have made so far!!
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for sharing! :)
Best videos going! Keep making a wonderful community MGM!
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! 🙂
Awesome, thanks for the vid. I do modular myself for Necromunda, though I'm short on terrain. I love the height and depth you give to the game, with multiple stories.
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I have fun with it despite the time it takes to set it up.
This was really helpful, as I am just about to build some more terrain for my Necromunda games and was not sue about whether to adopt the static tiles approach or modular. Excellent stuff as always, and very well presented.
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching 🙂
interesting stuff! i have been working on terrain that can be printed in vase mode for extra speedy printing.
Great video! I'm currently in the process of printing some of my own terrain for my first necromunda board and this is great for inspiration and getting a feel for how much I'll need. Love all your videos!
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Happy to help.
Cool insight! I love setting up the board too, particularly necromunda, I will say sometimes I will tailor the board more towards the scenario if I'm feeling inspired and it seems like it would offer particular theme, but I often just build a thematic board then assign a random scenario to it, like you! - Now to share some of my experience playing as, and against Van Saar, I play 9 different gangs including van saar so I feel like I've had a well rounded experience, I often watch a bat rep or watch someone else play van saar and it feels like they just took the box of 10, built them, and since they worked pretty good right out of the box they never explored the plethora of options beyond the box assembly. And over the years this small amount of experience with the gang, echoed by an ocean of minimal experience users becomes gospel. my van saar gangs do very good in ZM set ups, they have tons of good options right off of creation like PLASMA PISTOLS on gangers, for champs, right out of gang creation, Melta Guns, Grav Guns and Plasma Grenades will absolutely decimate anything, and these are specifically useful at close range and around corners (blast on grav and plasma nades), even with just a mildly thought out group activation, on a ZM style board you can easily destroy an entire flank, or 1/3 to 1/2 the opponent's fighters in a single activation. Those are just comments on basic guns/gear available immediately on gang creation, add in trading post and player skill and tactics and van saar are just as strong in ZM as they are in SM and there are more than a couple other effective weapon tactics to discover for those willing to explore. (IE: things like their pets being WALKING WEB GUNS! Literally the perfect counter to any melee fighter, can body block the charge and auto pin groups and the actuall WEBBING is just icing on the cake) Van Saar are universally strong, I think it luls people in to a false sense of security when building a van saar list, they still have drawbacks and weaknesses to be accounted for (pricey, lower movement, poor initiative) but those drawbacks DO NOT make them melee bait, my favorite style of Van Saar list maximizes effectiveness at 1"-12" (with the obligatory OP heavy weapon, huge damage 2+ to hit in the back to absolutely shut down any gang trying to outshoot me on SM/AW) , I think we can agree that ANY gang that maximizes damage potential at the 1"-12" range is going to do well in a ZM board. Plenty of terrible gang advice floating around in youtube comments, I thought I'd add my anecdotal evidence, maybe provide a counter point, YMMV
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Cheers, friend! I ended up building them basically how the box specifies. I'm not against a proxy here and there if the weapon looks close. They will be hitting the paint table as soon as I get good enough weather to prime!
@philosophyofcarry
Жыл бұрын
@@MiniatureGameMontage indeed! Can't wait to see the paintjobs,! If for some reason you feel like you are struggling (you won't) and the general advice floating around isn't addressing the issue (very possible), please feel free to reach out! Thanks again for the content!
Great video ! Keep up the awesome content
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Awesome video as always. This will be a great help for both veteran gangers and juves alike. Just ordered a 44"x 30" mat to try out and see how well it works for necromunda. Might be a nice combination of range one direction and close combat the other, depending on setup of course. Keep up the fantastic content guys.
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Thanks friend!
This video was really helpful. I've got a mountain of GW terrain that I'm going to use to make an epic Necromunda board. I'm dithering over whether to make glued down tiles or go modular because I also play 40K. I've been leaning towards really detailed, thematic tiles but you're making me reconsider!
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
It’s hard to beat the experience of thematic tiles. It just looks amazing. But I also use the ZM stuff for Kill Team and the mechanicus stuff for other games.
Hi there! Great video. It really shows the work behind your campaigns and battlereps! Recent subscriber and big fan of your channel. My group started playing Necromunda this December (just some skirmishes to get a feeling for the game while we prepare for our first campaign). We are probably going for a Dominion (basic campaign) but terrain might be an issue. We do have 2 sets of the Into the Dark (Gallowdark) Kill Team scenery which I guess its kinda ok for an "underhive" setting. Not sure how do you rate those sets. What we dont have are gangways/runways, so very little verticality. Also, it seems there's no set board size for Necromunda games (it changes from mission to mission). We dont have the zone mortalis tile sets so we were thinking of grabbing a good mat and using what we have as a starter. What size would you recommend? We were thinking a 3x3 foot mat would make for a decent table for shooty and melee gangs? I imagine that kill team boards (22x30 inches) are too small. And perhaps 2 of them all together (44x60") may be too big?
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Great to hear. I play just about everything on a 3x3. It kind of forces the action from the beginning. On a larger 4x4 you’ll spend the first turn or even two moving normally. Your Gallowdark terrain will be fantastic. You hit the nail on the head, though. You’ll be more 2D than 3D. And that’s perfectly ok. You can always add terrain as you go and have time. Best of luck and I’m here if you need anything. 🙂
Great video! Question on your columns and walls, do you use magnets!?
@MiniatureGameMontage
9 ай бұрын
Thanks! No magnets.
Nice tables. I have been building wargame terrain for a while and I prefer semi modular. It attempts to get the best of both worlds without the inconveniences. Set up and tear down can be really long, so if it's a case of plopping down half a dozen big pieces and then adding scatter , it's a lot quicker and sufficiently modular. Oh and repeating patterns. For instance the mechanicus sets are great, I've built the same big pieces several times each, so they can be juxtaposed many ways.
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, friend! I appreciate you watching and leaving a comment!
Good video. I've found, that setting up the terrain at a 45 degree angle gives more longevity, for multiple games, and it's less likely to have obvious fire lanes. Not possible with all types, obviously.
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Never thought of it that way! Good comment
What is the boardsize for Grim dark future (firefight and FF-Ganglands)? I am afraid to make a 4 x4 Ncromunda static board as it can not be used well in other games with a 3x3 , 6x4 or other board sizes...
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
The only OPR game I’ve played is Grimdark Future and while not specified a 6x4 tends to make the most sense depending on game size. I’m not sure about the other games they do.
Great stuff, some really neat pointers in there. Fascinating watching you setup that table. I look forward to seeing it in the next battle report! P.S thanks for including my question, and for shouting out Jackson, you made his day 👍🏻
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I had an awesome time making the video. Hoping for a good one! 🙂
Completely missed this video when it came out! Thanks for a "behind the curtain" on your process. Do you know how much ZM you have at this point? I only just started 3d printing to supplement but wondered how much of the "meat" you have :)
@MiniatureGameMontage
11 ай бұрын
You have arrived :) I would need to count it again. It's always growing.
@jrkistler
11 ай бұрын
@@MiniatureGameMontage I ended up with two Dark Uprisings before it disappeared so got a decent head start lol. Your setups are always an inspiration.
@MiniatureGameMontage
11 ай бұрын
@@jrkistler Thanks, friend. Really just throwing stuff on the table. 😄
One problem with static tiles, although it might just be a problem for me, is that it makes tiles into set locations. If a tile has a lot of personality, that is also a double-edged sword, as it means it's recognizable. At least with modular terrain, any given arrangement of terrain could represent a random place in the underhive. Whereas a Munitorum Crate turned into Joe's Rad-Crab Shack is suddenly _always_ Joe's Rad-Crab Shack. At least for me, it kind of breaks the immersion to see that, between gang firefights, the iconic spots in the underhive have rearranged themselves in space. Perfectly generic modular terrain, while less flavorful, also _benefit_ from being naturally disconnected from any one place. You _expect_ every column, walkway, or prometheum tank to look the same.
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s a good one. That’s why you have to kind of keep making more tiles over time in order to keep things fresh. Great comment. 🙂
@kgoblin5084
8 ай бұрын
Alternatively, maybe Joe's Rad-Crab Shack is just another chain restraunt.
@Bluecho4
8 ай бұрын
@@kgoblin5084 This is a good point. Nothing says Underhive Joe didn't sell the rights to franchise.
@uwesca6263
8 ай бұрын
@@Bluecho4or he repeatedly change locations to escape the gangwars
How would you build a corpse grinder? Like a giant container or vat made for processing bodies. I’m trying my hand at this with a round cardboard box but it doesn’t fit into the floor tiles.
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I'm not a terrain builder so to speak. I 3d printed this but this area is where I rely heavily on printing. saucermenstudios.com.au/product/flatline-city-organic-recycling-plant-stl-3d-printable/
Hi, first of all I recently found this channel and Iam devoring its content! Its so good. I'am struggeling with the terrain or more with the manufacturing process. I own a 3D printer. But looking at the floortiles you linked and the ZM collums you linked - at first glance in the slicer it doesnt seem to fit, like in your video. So press fit collums into the ridges of the floor tiles. I dont want to print something for like 7h and then discover that these parts arent compatible. Am I missing something?
@MiniatureGameMontage
11 ай бұрын
Thanks! What printer and slicer are you using? I use an ender 3 with pretty much stock settings in Cura.
@Marvmensch
11 ай бұрын
@@MiniatureGameMontage I use a Prusa MK3 with Prusa slicer.
@MiniatureGameMontage
11 ай бұрын
@@Marvmensch yeah I’m not sure on that one. Can maybe try downloading Cura and loading that up. You can select your printer in the software and it will show your build plate. Your build plate is big enough to print the tiles, walls and columns
@Marvmensch
11 ай бұрын
@@MiniatureGameMontage ah sorry I think I worded that wrong. I had the impression that the parts won't fit into each other. The printer fit it fine.
@MiniatureGameMontage
11 ай бұрын
@@Marvmensch mine fit very well. They easily snap on, hold, and snap off. Check out my recent video on 3D printing
Where have you gotten your 3d printed terrain from? There was a video that you had what looked like shops and/or apartments that were great.
@MiniatureGameMontage
10 ай бұрын
I use these www.thingiverse.com/search?q=Ash+waste+hovel&page=1&type=things&sort=relevant and this one frequently cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/block001-2077 Also Saucermen Studios Flatline City
@craigjones7343
10 ай бұрын
@@MiniatureGameMontage awesome. Thanks
I'm thinking of getting the ender 3 S1. How much would you say it costs to print a typical set of scenery and how does that compare to buying the equivalent GW stuff? I'm in the UK and the ender 3 s1 is about £300 so I'm just wondering how much to print before it earns the money back 🤣
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
To give you an idea, each small floor tiles costs about $0.91. So my entire board floor was about $33 to print. Each column is about $0.87 and about the same per wall. That's with a 15% infill so it can vary depending on how thick or thin you make it.
@dysonraf
Жыл бұрын
@@MiniatureGameMontage definite cost saving then after the initial outlay! On the purchase list 😅👍. Thanks
Hail all
@MiniatureGameMontage
Жыл бұрын
Hail!
@battlebrotherguy
Жыл бұрын
Hail!
@davidjones3411
Жыл бұрын
Hail!
Your scrap piles and chimneys - I'm guessing those just don't sit flush to the floor as you still use a textured floor?
@MiniatureGameMontage
4 ай бұрын
Right - they just sit on the floor. If you had a bigger piece with a solid floor it would be more difficult with a textured floor. These pieces are hollow and fit around the textures
I always prefer modular. :)
You're the best Necromunda channel out there, good of you to shout out @althrenian, I've taken stuff from him and others. There's another 2 guys that have good channels for Necromunda: @underhiver and @
@MiniatureGameMontage
6 ай бұрын
I appreciate that, bud! I think your message cut off but underhiver is incredible with his conversions!