The reason the soldier proclaims “Salt” out of the blue, is to let us know that it’s important. It shows us people walking on it and leaving red footprints, as the salt is moved away and the red Crystal is revealed. When Luke appears, he leaves no tracks, a foreshadow of how he isn’t really there. I only picked up on it after a second viewing

@jacobdarby5154

6 жыл бұрын

I was about the write the same thing. I don't think the salt is symbolic of anything, I think it's just a "HEY, NOTICE THE DUDE LEAVES FOOTPRINTS *WINK*" and an explanation for why the planet is red. In addition to Luke appearing in the supposedly sealed bunker and the fact that he does everything he can to not let any part of his form or his lightsaber (which Kylo and Rey destroyed, btw) touch any part of Kylo, it's just the movie piling on more and more foreshadow until the big reveal.

@ChemyNoSurfea

6 жыл бұрын

This movie is so fantastic. I've seen it three times and it just gets better and better. Except for Canto Night of course.

@Leo99929

6 жыл бұрын

I was watching that scene like "Wait, isn't that lightsaber destroyed? Did I miss something?" Also when Kylo says to Rey about she can't be projecting herself because it would be exhausting, or something. And when Kylo rages through Luke and slides to reveal the red earth... with no footprints from Luke?... Penny drop!

@EGRJ

6 жыл бұрын

I thought it was part of the blood symbolism.

@skyscreamstudios

6 жыл бұрын

The thing that clued me into that fact something was not right was Luke's beard. Short and still with colour. I just didn't know what exactly was up until later. ;)

Substantial difference between Poe and Holdo's approaches: Poe sacrifices a lot of people to take out one enemy battleship - Holdo sacrifices only herself to save a whole bunch of people. Poe wasn't trying to save anyone, he was trying to kill the enemy, hence the film's anvil-drop about "protecting what you love" being more important than destroying what you hate. Destroying what you hate, by the way, is Kylo's whole approach to pretty much everything, and he's a total weenie.

@KingOfMadCows

6 жыл бұрын

But didn't that battleship have a cannon that could destroy the main rebel ship? If they hadn't destroyed it, it would have blown up the rebel ship before it could flee.

@pedromdcc13

6 жыл бұрын

Agree with everything, but the weenie part.

@Gungrave123

6 жыл бұрын

Notice how all male characters are pretty much useless and incompetent? Yeah, that's SW under Kathleen Kennedy..

@InfiniteCanMan

6 жыл бұрын

The comparison was between Fin's suicide mission against the battering ram not Poe's attack on the Dreadnought. Why is Fin's sacrifice any less legitimate than Holdo's?

@Victor-qx3vx

6 жыл бұрын

T B Skyen Your wise words just made me realize: If only the Star Wars fandom understood the movie’s message. It appears there are a lot of people trying to destroy this movie and mistake this for protect the original trilogy.

There is also another meaning to the "let go" for Kylo Ren. In TFA Kylo was feeling the pull of the light side. He was always in between, he was so focused with the past trying to emulate Darth Vader, to be like him. Like killing Han was like a rite of passage and like the mask, Anakin/ Luke lightsaber was a relic of Dath Vader to him.Which is why he wanted it so bad. In the TLJ, he is humiliated, he is basically thrown into the dirt by Snoke. He is no heir to Darth Vader, just a boy with a mask. And in the end Snoke was right he isn't Darth Vader and therefore he let's go of the past and most importantly the pull, he stops trying to be like Darth Vader, and in that moment he REALLY falls to the dark side. Killing Snoke was the move that Darth Vader could never do, and killing him puts him in a position of power that Darth Vader never was. As Emperor Palpatine said to both Anaking and Luke "Strike me down with all of your hatred & your journey towards the dark side will be complete" and Kylo REALLY did it not once but TWICE.

@joshuamanjarrez6321

6 жыл бұрын

Sergio Teixeira That scene reminds me of the part when Darth Vader brings Luke to Palpatine.

@RedLabs

6 жыл бұрын

Damn- never thought like that

@bibliusz777

6 жыл бұрын

Sergio Teixeira whats the second time?

@serg407

6 жыл бұрын

By killing Luke. The first time he kills Snoke. He basically killed the old guard in one movie.

@serg407

6 жыл бұрын

He was still conflicted at that point, he basically went to fight out of spite for himself and Snoke. By seeing the "death" of his mother was the last link to family that he had, which made it easier for him to let go

I actually like the idea of Rey just being the daughter of junkers. It speaks volumes to the idea that, no matter where you come from, you can make a difference, and it's YOU that decides who you are going to be, not your bloodline. I wouldn't be surprised if they reveal that she actually is, like, Luke's daughter or whatever in the next one, but for now, I actually respected the origin they gave us.

@vme138

6 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you! I hope this is the real agenda behind this... I will be disappointed if her parents are some Skywalkers, or Obi Wan... or a random Jedi, or even a weird Sith.. that will be like destroying what they have been build in this movie.

@MisterMiyata

6 жыл бұрын

Sure. No matter where you come from, if you randomly become the universe's most powerful space wizard with no training, you can make a difference.

@klericajohnny3990

6 жыл бұрын

Mister Miyata Jepp, that’s why I don’t like the first one....I like the idea from a powerfull woman, but Giv us Charakter dev. I Any, Skywalker where born in the same time as Ray , she would kick his as...so fucking OP is she! Without training. This fact broke everything

@klericajohnny3990

6 жыл бұрын

Mister Miyata shit I forgot nothing is canon anymore

@angie44551

6 жыл бұрын

I was hoping for Rey being a nobody, just like she claims to be over and over, for the reasons you named. It goes well with one of SW's most recurring themes: choice vs. fate.

*Spoiler Alert* I found it hilarious when Yoda laughed his ass off after torching the temple

@stubbornwasabi3994

6 жыл бұрын

He's just like 'nope' when Luke's gonna burn it down with a torch and then he just sends a fucking lightning bolt down to the earth like it's no one's fucking business.

@spider-manthecrip783

6 жыл бұрын

arbknight12 miss you did I?

Because Luke left the entire First Order salty.

@stubbornwasabi3994

6 жыл бұрын

eeeyyyyyyy

@gocubs1815

6 жыл бұрын

Khalil Darth Tyus ba-dum-tsss

@BerserkerX

6 жыл бұрын

Hope J Lol yeah, my first viewing was too cringy.

@zlkanglwrth2776

6 жыл бұрын

More like the fans were left betrayed and salty

@danielclark-hughes692

6 жыл бұрын

2 drums and a symbol fell off a cliff... Badum tsss!

I would still argue that the film maintained the theme of don’t be a hero. Holdo only used the “nobel sacrifice” as a last resort, and only after she was certain that the rest of the crew had an escape route, as opposed to poe whose first plan was to go behind everyones back and do everything himself. Then at the end when finn was steering towards the battering ram, he did so despite already being told that it was useless. He was do focused on destroying the first order that he was about to throw his life away in a futile effort. Rose’s words to him meant that throwing your life away without knowing for sure that it will make a difference is wrong when you can live another day and work to make a difference through your future. I like the points brought up about how the don’t be a hero theme is contradicted but I feel if you look a little deeper you can see that theres another layer to that message.

@Demigodish4o3

6 жыл бұрын

Alec Langlois That was very well-spoken. I wish there were more people like you

@driftingdruid

6 жыл бұрын

*Standing ovation*

@Synarite

6 жыл бұрын

I didn't have the words to say this myself, but basically these are my thoughts, too

@jonathanstern5537

6 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@diegokucharsky7165

6 жыл бұрын

There isn't a deeper meaning behind those scenes, they are just lame plots to create suspense. That HOLDO shit scene and the casino planet could be avoided if she just told poe what her plan was. It's not about being heroic or not, it's about common sense. I get what Rose tried to say with "We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love" but they were not fighting what they hate, they were literally trying not to die, ITS SO STUPID TO SAY "don't sacriface, lets live another day and work to make a difference in the future" when you have a gun in your mouth

One thing I like about this movie is that it breaks the whole "chose one" idea and gives you a dose of reality in the form of Luke Skywalker. Hear me out! Anakin was the chosen one and Luke was supposedly also destined torebalance the force, right? But these are still people with full lives to live. It's not a happily ever after just because we blew up 2 death stars and threw palpatine down a shaft. Life goes on afterwards and no matter how legendary you are for reaching that level, it won't guarantee your happiness in the future. People think that if they find their purpose or destiny in life they'll be happy until they die of old age. This yields people who trounce on more important things to achieve that destiny and also spawns people who desprately cling to the idea that everything wrong with them is because of a failure to reach that destiny. What these people don't consider is that achieving a destiny is kind of just a fleeting high point in a long life full of other events. Luke tried to teach students, fucked up, and spent his whole life after that hiding on an almost deserted island. I guarantee that Luke cared more about what happened at that school than his victory at the Death Star II and that's the lesson I took. Your destiny isn't the answer to your sorrows. It may be the answer to someone elses sorrows but if you seek happiness, you gotta look far beyond what you think you're "supposed" to do. If it's really your destiny, you won't have to chase it so spend your time setting up your own happiness while you wait. Luke wishes he had...

@joshuamanjarrez6321

6 жыл бұрын

Well, Anakin and Luke did bring balance to the force. Darth Vader sacrificed himself to defeat the Emperor and Luke was the last one.

@kuryamtl

6 жыл бұрын

That is what I loved about this. The fact that the nobodies, Rey, and the children are the inheritors of the Force sensitivity, and that humble beginnings can breed greatness. Plus Anakin himself came from a nobody background. Hell the Jedis aren't allowed to get married and have children, so where do the Jedi apprentices come from?

@cpenner7086

6 жыл бұрын

yeah because they both rejected the dark side

@ShirDeutch

6 жыл бұрын

kuryamtl except Anakin wasn't a nobody. He was Jesus.

@ricardolujan4791

6 жыл бұрын

Giving a sense of reality to a FANTASY (SCI-FI-FANTASY ) STORY is destroying the core of it... it doesnt make any sense...

What did you think about the exchange between Yoda and Luke: this was the most meta moment for me, because it was a message less to Luke and more to the die hard fans of the series "Time it is... for you to look past a pile of old books" (referring to Disney de-canonizing the EU and moving forward with their own story) "The sacred Jedi texts?!" (as many fans see those novels and media as essential to star wars if not more important than the movies and themes themselves) "Read them, have you? page turners they were not" (let's be honest, 90% of the EU was NOT good, and the bad did not justify the good) "Nothing there is in those books that the girl Rey does not already posses" (both a cheeky comment about Rey physically having the books, and also that this new embodiment of star wars (embodied by Rey) is the refined essence of the star wars universe-- what's really important about the series) I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this thanks so much!

@RDY2PWNU

6 жыл бұрын

Interesting really interesting. I like your thoughts on that one. But in case you are right... i dont thinks its a clever move from Disney to pretty much dumpster all that lore within the EU. But tbh i never read one of those so i can´t tell wether i like it or not. Yet they still have a big fanbase, so pissing all those people of isn´t smart at all. And (for me) they failed to create new iconic bad guys like Sidious and of course Vader. And they also failed to create new iconic good guys like Yoda and Obi-Wan. Demeron, Fin and Rey just have no backrounds at all. No way anyone can identify with them. Kylo is really the only "new cast" role with a backround. So if they wipe the past, they are left with no fundament to build on in the future.

@VonJay

6 жыл бұрын

I never thought of it like that. Good take on it, though I thought that the entire film was a critique not only of the nostalgia-driven audience but also on the nostalgia-laden TFA, I somehow missed Rian's thoughts on the EU. I hated the film the first time, but found a way to enjoy it in my second viewing by only considering the A-Line of the film, which was Rian's original vision before Disney asked for rewrites to include more Finn. The B-Line could have used more work, but the C Line was horrible. Even though I enjoyed Kylo's attempt at seducing Rey(man I thought that was masterful), I think the movie suffered from too much critique and jabs at TFA fans(though I didn't care for the film). Though I 1000 percent agree that the nostalgic and tedious audience can still be entertained through innovation as long as you keep certain things the same. It should reflect the times and be mindful of it's audience, but not to the point where it wakes me up from the dream state. Star wars is such a rich universe made up of ideas, rules and contraptions greater than the films. Yet people take it to places toooo close to home. The greatest gem in TLJ was exploring how a sick and dark mind can abuse and at the same time sweetly persuade a person into becoming dark. Knowing the other person's weaknesses and using it against them, knowing that Rey was searching for her parents, searching for family and warmth. That was masterful. Hopefully we get more exploration of how real the magic is, the wizards in space genre mash, the actual wars, how a sith lord finds his partner, impressive saber battles, better and innovative ship design as well as color palettes, hopefully we get the latter because the retro feel is a constant reminder of Disney playing it safe.

@SilasC

6 жыл бұрын

Julia Witham fantastic!

@cesarcastillo7872

6 жыл бұрын

Well I saw some of this meta comments through out the movies but the most obvious one to me is when Kylo Ren says "Let the past day. Kill it if you must."

@joshuamanjarrez6321

6 жыл бұрын

Even Mark Hamill is mad

The difference between Holdo's sacrifice and Finn and Poe's is Holdo consulted with Leia beforehand about it. She worked with the team, she didn't go off by herself. She was already dead when she stayed behind so ramming the First Order didn't change her situation or create unecessary risk. It's not just about not killing the thing you hate but not going it alone. You win by saving what you love and working together collectively.

@toaonua523

6 жыл бұрын

Then why was the only reason for Poe and Finn to not be proactive because they should "blindly follow authority that don't communicate with them"? If they wanted their subordinates to follow orders in the heat of the moment, they needed to tell them why. Instead, we got several scenes of no consequence. This whole movie was an inconsistent mess.

@Chaosdawn07

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, she's a team player for being tight-lipped and uninspiring in a movie that ultimately is about hope! definitely all Poe's fault for being true to his character, that both leia and Holdo are aware of, and definitely wasn't so terrible that a pilot inspired members of her own staff to work against her! How dare Poe want to destroy a dreadnaught chasing them in mid-combat and he definitely didn't state he was doing it because of the damage it would do to the rebels and definitely wasn't already in the process of bombarding the main rebel cruiser! Oh yes, I'm so inspired by message that it's more about saving lives when the one getting reprimanded killed probably an equal amount of people; that the one said to being suicidal being told off by someone that immediately commits suicide a few minutes later. You want inspiration? Let us keep a badass female commander instead of killing her off, have her give a rousing speech and rally the troops instead of openly taking the "do as I say not as I do" route just to be "subversive" like a teenage that tells his parents that he would jump off a bridge if his friends told him to like some dumb kid just trying to be contrary just for the sake of it.

@toaonua523

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with Chaos's sarcasm. It just goes to show that all Last Jedi did was prove that Rian wanted to fuck over every established character from Force Awakens, and every established canonical lore from the universe as a whole. Which is great for getting Star Wars out of its limited scope, but bad for consistency, storytelling, and audience appeal. If they wanted to make Star Wars something new, they need to be as imaginative as George Lucas was, with third-party editors and writers to keep the story cohesive. The prequels were better than Rogue One because they did something new, and showed us a new side to the universe. Last Jedi was a bastardized parody of that. Poe, Holdo, and Leia had so much potential in this movie. But the execution was more cheesy than Anakin's and Padme's romance.

@stevenash1238

6 жыл бұрын

and finn was already too late.

@puransu20

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah and her keeping that big twist of a plan til the end, hiding it from Poe and the others, led to the pointless mission that Finn and Rose embarked on which did more harm than good by bringing home a flip-flopping stuttering Benicio Del Toro, who then ratted out the resistance's secret plan and caused the unnecessary deaths of hundreds, and also in turn led Kylo to chase the transports to the planet which then led to a stand off which killed more resistance troops and also Luke. Holdo's incompetent leadership and lack of proper communication with her subordinates almost led to the complete death of the Resistance.

I feel like the second theme wasn't "don't be a hero," but more of a "Don't be an idiot, fight smarter, not harder,"

@wwaxwork

6 жыл бұрын

The secret to a happy life, find yourself something great enough to live for not to die needlessly for.

@garith21

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah....It feels more like "don't be a hero if you're a man". Luke didn't get to really be a hero, he was just a decoy that faded away unheroicly. Finn didn't get to sacrifice himself for the cause and was told "we don't do that" right after holdo did it and Rose's sister did a similar thing in the beginning of the movie.

@ntdonat

6 жыл бұрын

its one thing if you're just going about your life business as usual, its another thing entirly when the unstapable alaxy conquering army is right there ready to go.. the only reason any of them survives is probably because that idiot of a first order general did not order his star *destroyers* to defend his dreadnaught or flank the retreating resistnce like he should have... and this was probably only becaue he was to distracted to even order the dradnught to destoy the fighter before the fighter attacked and destryed all of his dradnaughts guns... which begs a question as to why those guns aren't better protected? and why there isn't more that one main canon on the thing!

@brianbrush5107

4 жыл бұрын

@@garith21 Are you kidding? There was nothing unheroic about it. He ensured Kylo wouldn't get the killing blow and died happy looking off into the sunset having saved the resistance

@garith21

4 жыл бұрын

@@brianbrush5107 being there and striking a critical blow to the first order to truly inspire the next generation would have been heroic. To show that one stood against many and that heroism means something even if it ends in failure. As it stands Luke was little more than a laser light distracting a cat for a few seconds while hopefully something happens to save everyone else as he didn't know that Rey was going to save everyone

When the opening roll went by I turned to my friend and said "if this starts on an ice planet I'm gonna lose it." When you said "it subverted all the Star Wars themes" I though yes, that is exactly what it did. Every time I thought something was gonna happen one way it happened the other. Now that I'm consciously aware of it I appreciate the movie more. Also I'm not so sure that what we heard about Rey's parents is true, I feel like Ben might have said that as a way to break her down and therefore more likely to join him. If she were sold for drinking money, then why wasn't she a slave at the opening of the force awakens?

@naderzein2435

6 жыл бұрын

Michael McClay She kinda was. Shes shown as a child with Unkar Plutt. Also remember she gets scolded for daydreaming when she was cleaning that piece of machinery. Even though i guess shes free to go unkar controls all the food so he knows she'll work to bring him stuff.

@Mauriziobarenboim

6 жыл бұрын

The director confirmed her parents are junkards

@chriscox895

6 жыл бұрын

I initially thought the same thing about her parentage. I thought Kylo was lying the same way an abusive boyfriend would verbally breakdown his SOF.

@ricardolujan4791

6 жыл бұрын

i understand that we expected things to go to "this direction or that direction" and when we watched the film and the things go to a complete direction i can accept the freedom or creativity that the director had...but come on... we all waited 34 years to see Luke Skywalker in a Star Wars film again....and what do we get?? an old guy who jerks off a fat kinda walrus and drink it's milk??? the movie is a compilation of nonsense situations and poor writing... Star wars is a scifi fantasy...give us something epic...!!!

@ricardolujan4791

6 жыл бұрын

in addition i dont know if kylo ren spoke the true...she kinda believed him..but it doesnt matter anymore because rey's parentage was a question from TFA and here the same question remains in part...because the only answer we get is that she is a nobody...poor writing in this film... i was very disspointed... forgive my language if i offended anyone w my opinion. thnks!!!

That salting the earth bit was on point.

@Jessie_Helms

6 жыл бұрын

BeastBoy Fury i don't get why Jarred said they announced it. It was very organic story telling,

@atrijitdas1704

6 жыл бұрын

Justin Helms there's a very oddly placed/sort of forced but not really scene where a random character tastes the white stuff and says "it's just salt". The scene attracts a lot of attention for seemingly no relevant reason. Maybe that's why

Who loves the music in the backround. Gustav Holst - Jupiter is great!

@WisecrackEDU

6 жыл бұрын

It's our jam.

@kalebmantegani5922

6 жыл бұрын

I played that piece in high school, loved it knew I recognized it from somewhere

@TheDashingRogue

6 жыл бұрын

I'm more of a Mars the bringer of war

@KansasViking

6 жыл бұрын

MisterTnT2 Jupiter- Bringer of Jollity is terrific

@MisterTnT2

6 жыл бұрын

all of guatav holst the planets is great

Poe "at least I have chicken" Dameron

@scottmialltablet

6 жыл бұрын

Kwijiboz PPPPPOOOOOOOOOEEEEE DDAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM(breathe)MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEERRRRRRRRROOOONNNNNNM!!!!

Here's a theory for you, perhaps the "killing the past" was Disney's way of saying we are rebooting the starwars franchise and this is how we will end the current one.

@VonJay

6 жыл бұрын

I thought it was more of Rian's critique of TFA.

@chrisbuchheit

6 жыл бұрын

That's absolutely true, but it turned into a terrible film. Nothing in this trilogy makes sense. I'm still confused by the most basic parts - why is there a Resistance? Why isn't it just the Republic? Where did the First Order come from? The answers to these questions makes the entire original trilogy completely pointless in the narrative. What did Luke and company even achieve if the Republic doesn't even really exist in the sequel trilogy and the "Empire" is even more well-financed than before? It makes absolutely no sense!

@4lonzo

6 жыл бұрын

It seems like you don't understand the idea that wars arent won by a single battle. They are struggles that can extend for decades, like it did in the Hundred Years' War. The first order was bilt from the pieces left of the empire after the main trilogy and they had 40 years to rebuild since then. The rebellion are rebelling against the first order, the ideals of the empire or simply put a totalitarian and facist organization. its not to hard to understand man, its not confusing. just pay attention with an open mind.

@chrisbuchheit

6 жыл бұрын

I mean, I understand that, but none of that was explained in the story at all. And it still doesn't make sense that the First Order would be so well-financed if they were just a bunch of stragglers. They literally built a laser into an entire planet. That's... insane. And poor writing.

@chrisbuchheit

6 жыл бұрын

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you're proving my point. The Empire had the entire resources of the Old Republic; the First Order did not, and even with 20 years, it's not entirely convincing to me that they'd be able to develop weapons with more capability and size than the Empire. That doesn't seem feasible. 2. I know that's what the films tell us, you're right; I'm saying that doesn't make logical sense and it's inconsistent with the previous films. Did the Empire have a military arm? No, it was just the Empire. When the Clones were created, were they just the Clones? No, they were the military of the Republic.

Thank you for playing Holst's "Planets".

Definitely much closer to a cinematic masterpiece than the word that must not be named. I loved this movie from beginning to end, for many different reasons. One of them being the fact that it challenged the viewer, it dared to break patterns and do the unexpected - not that far off from Empire Strikes Back in a sense. To be fair, a few specific scenes were a bit hit and miss, but the movie experience as a whole was fantastic. It also made me do something that no other Star Wars movie had ever done before, it made me tear up. Adventure, action, deep moments, emotional moments and a lot of humor - in other words, a Star Wars movie. And if there is anything we all know about those, it is that the discussions and theorizing about them will never end. It's part of this franchise's (and geekdom's) charm. Can't wait until episode IX!

Salt also melts snow, so it's the opposite of snow, so to speak

@Merve-ec1gd

6 жыл бұрын

Kwijiboz not to be a smart aleck... but salt doesn't "melt" snow. It lowers it's melting point so it can melt at lower temperatures.

@Levitaz4236

6 жыл бұрын

in other words, it melts snow.

@jbark678

6 жыл бұрын

"From a certain point of view."

@ELECTRICBIGE

6 жыл бұрын

I thought lava was the opposite of snow

I'm of the unpopular opinion that, while somewhat flawed, (the whole rose Finn subplot lagged at times, (though I did appreciate the references to moral ambiguity), and I wasn't a huge fan of the admirals character), this movie is a definite step forward that we haven't really seen in a Star Wars film since ESB. I'm going to try to explain why. First of all the force: in the originals it was deliberately vague, it was Brahman from Hinduism, it was gravity, and the Jedi were monks, in tune with the true structure of the universe. The problem with the prequels wasn't explaining this phenomenon, it was explaining it poorly: the whole concept of midichlorians just didn't make any sense, (except in Star Wars: Darth Plagueis, which is in my opinion the best work to come out of Star Wars period). Anyways the Jedi turning from a Buddhist/early Christian warrior monks into a squabbling organized religion didn't help either. Anyway, The Last Jedi actually improved on the concept of the force, likening it to a tension between entropic processes, one whose power wasn't limited to moving rocks around but astral projection, weather manipulation etc. limitless to the most powerful and wise, (this concept of the force has been explored in the clone wars with Sidious' sith rituals and the Dathomirians, (though that fell a bit flat)). The scene in the cave and Luke and Yoda's dialogue belied a cyclical, topological, (i.e. Shapes and functions transformed over different spaces) view of entropic functions as well that is quite nice to see. One final note addressed in this video is the lack of "noble blood" or prophecy, something that always hampers any type of fiction, replacing the humanistic, Nietzschean principles of self improvement and hope with an idiotic notion of deterministic pessimism: i.e. "Heroes are born that way." Oh and one last thing: anyone complaining about liberal values or "sjw's" and feminists ruining Star Wars: there's nothing political about the existence of minorities and women and their ability to be equals, sure, there shouldn't be special treatment, but if they get the role, it doesn't matter how, the fact is they have it; the universe is indifferent to all teleology at that point. All in all: just grow up.

@joshuarandall6041

6 жыл бұрын

Greats point. I hope they don't ruin the lack of noble blood thing for Rey in the next film. I get the feeling Kylo may have been tricking her. And 'minorities' have always been heroes. Now they are just starting to get the screen time they deserve.

@bruncla2303

6 жыл бұрын

problem with reys heritage is that it was heavily teased in TFA. yes u can have some self made hero (which rey is not, she is born special just not from special lineage) but if u heavily tease some big mystery and than just say suckers nothing is there and u do it several times during one film it can really hamper your enjoyment.

@nicopotenciano9411

6 жыл бұрын

PREACH IT BROTHA

@JakeMobley1

6 жыл бұрын

If you think that Liberal values are equivalent to Progressive values, then you are horribly uneducated on the subject, and really should not be commenting on it in the first place. Injecting anti-Capitalist, overtly political themes into a plothole-filled movie about angsty space teenagers with super powers is... actually, it makes perfect sense considering the fact that this is basically just a story saying "burn society down, it's worthless anyways." If you're going to make a politically-charged movie, at least do so in a well-written manner with minimal, if any, plotholes.

@catvalentine4317

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, just yes!

Just chiming in to say I love the use of Gustav Holst's Jupiter. Very fitting!

@itsadaptifyxd4857

6 жыл бұрын

Phillip Malerich yes lol

@DisneyDude97

6 жыл бұрын

It’s all I could focus on lol

Seems like everyone is missing a major theme in their reviews. Failure.

@hopeymik

6 жыл бұрын

Rey fails to bring Luke back. Luke fails Kylo as a teacher. Kylo fails to kill his own mother. Finn and Rose fail to bring back the master code breaker. They also fail to destroy the tracker. Rey also fails to bring Ben to the light. Kylo fails to kill Luke. The Resistance fails to gather Allies. Yoda said it himself, “The greatest teacher, failure is.”

@AlinaLynn

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was pretty much the main theme of the film as I read it. Also failure is just great.

@HalfDemonInuyasha

6 жыл бұрын

*In before someone comments with hate about TLJ being a "failure"* Cause you know it's coming XP

@HalfDemonInuyasha

6 жыл бұрын

^ See? Also, of course, someone who clearly didn't even watch the movie given the "failed to give any character any semblance of character development" statement.

@seanmccurdy80

6 жыл бұрын

I'll second T time, and say if anything we see character regression. Finn regressing to a coward running. Kylo regressing back to an emo jerk, Luke regressing from the role of hero.

In my opinion, I feel that Admiral Holdo’s sacrifice was more of a last resort rather than a heroic act. Her and Leia’s attempt to escape and “preserve the light” only lasted so long so there was quite literally nothing else the Resistance could’ve done to prevent the First Order’s onslaught, which led to Holdo’s kamikaze.

@shortstacksport

6 жыл бұрын

Why is it any different than Finn's though? The two situations are nearly identical. Had Luke not intervened, the First Order would have easily wiped out the Resistance on Krayt. The movie is inconsistent like this throughout.

@PanicbyExample

6 жыл бұрын

well i'd admit that when leia says 'she wasn't worried about being a hero' about holdo that i didn't know why judgment was reserved for finn and poe... but doesn't it make sense that you wouldn't share your plan out of being afraid of being mutinied against... i'm not saying keeping it secret is better or can better prevent a mutiny just that at some point a decision has to be made and in her case she reached the conclusion she wanted... still seems heroic to me as would have finn's or rose's sister or finn running away for that matter... it seems like the big hangnail is getting caught... which maybe isn't a perfect moral but does maybe ease the tension of it being 'bad storytelling'... i expect resolution in ep 9 and wonder how much conferencing johnson and abrams must have with each other or if its really just this blind volleying back and forth

@VicAusTaxiTruckie

6 жыл бұрын

THEN THERE SHOULD BE INDICATION IT WAS A DESPERATE MOVE. There is no lampshading that it was an exception. It is bad, lazy writing!

@thinhvo3893

3 жыл бұрын

@@VicAusTaxiTruckie Yeah it not like the entire resistance was getting blow up and obliterate. Are you fucking stupid?

The Last Jedi seems to make more and more sense the deeper I dig, and I like that. My only problems with it are that with all the subversions of our expectations, we're left with a lot of loose threads narrative-wise that we're told to ignore. If Snoke's past, Rey's origins, Phasma, etc don't matter, then why were we told about them at all? I wouldn't mind so much if these movies were on their own like A New Hope was when it first came out, but those loose threads become a problem when we try to weave them into the existing tapestry of Star Wars. Also, someone on Reddit mentioned misunderstood communication as a running theme in TLJ. There was Poe's plan in the beginning, Maz's rushed communication about the hacker, Rey and Kylo both thinking that the other was ready to turn, Snoke misreading Kylo's intentions, the Rebel leadership not communicating their plan to Poe, and probably lots of other spoilerific examples that I couldn't be vague about in a KZread comment.

@cpenner7086

6 жыл бұрын

thank you there is hope for star wars fans

@CaptainMcAwesomepan

6 жыл бұрын

"My only problems with it are that with all the subversions of our expectations, we're left with a lot of loose threads narrative-wise that we're told to ignore." This pretty much sums up what I did not enjoy about TLJ, all that wasted potential in backstories, plus Luke's end just felt... weak. I appreciate this was something of an "Out with the old, in with the new" trilogy, but I grew up with the original trilogy, the reveal of Mark Hamill at the end of TFA had me *hyped*, and then all we really got were a few crotchety scenes were he mopes about not training Rey, followed by a hologram death scene fake-out, followed by him actually dying for unexplained reasons just felt like a jarringly feeble sendoff for such a beloved and major protagonist of the entire franchise.

@wwaxwork

6 жыл бұрын

Well people act like this is the final film. It's the middle part of a trilogy of course you don't have all the answers yet. they want you to see the third movie.

@heysteve84

6 жыл бұрын

That's one of my issues with it as well. This new trilogy so far feels like bad improv between two directors who have conflicting ideas -- it's like the opposite of "yes, and".

I'm scared by everyone involved in the conversation about the movie. If I say I thought the movie was flawed but I thought it was decent (though I probably wouldn't rewatch it in the foreseeable future), the people who seem to think the movie is the second coming of Hitler jump at my throat. If I actually try to explain what the flaws that hindered my enjoyment were, the rabid fans jump at my throat for daring to criticize this angelic masterpiece of absolute genius. It feels like I just can't discuss this movie in any way and retain my faith in humanity. How did our culture become like this? How did our discussions lose any kind of nuance and became an ad hominem laden shitfest between people who only see the world in black and white?

@EZ-IZZY1995

6 жыл бұрын

Gábor Horváth When it became easier to pick sides and generalize instead of looking at every thing objectively. Dems V Republicans, Femanists V Cis Male Scum, Straight V Gay, etc. Even this movie had it. Dumb Males V Heroic, wise, independent females. SW always had ideals, but not everyone was a stereotype. Leia actually stood up for herself and wasnt just some damsel in distress, Luke got his ass kicked the first time facing Vader, and Han who was known for having a plan and escaping evrything, got frozen in carbonite. Then they learned, adapted and evolved. But now everythung is so stereotypical and everyone has to force their own ideals down everones throat, no one can just sit and discuss nuances anymore.

@AlinaLynn

6 жыл бұрын

Okay so I'll agree that there's an issue with polarisation in our culture, but I'm not sure if that's necessarily a new thing. It's likely been augmented by new technologies creating filter bubbles and echo chambers, but the "us vs. them" I think has been present for most of human history. It's a part of human nature that's difficult to overcome at times, but it's something that we can all work on. People are not their opinions, and someone disagreeing with you is not an attack on you. On an individual level, placing so much value in opinions like this is likely a symptom of insecurity and lack of identity. If everyone feels like this, it'll only make things worse as they continue misinterpreting simple opinions as attacks on their value, escalating things to the point where others are no longer viewed as complex individuals, but instead as obstacles to fight against.

@ColonelRogers

6 жыл бұрын

The Aristocrats.

@brianbrush5107

6 жыл бұрын

its always been like this if anything its less now

@rawkmode6315

6 жыл бұрын

I think it was a great film with a lot of flaws. It's a movie though, and I don't expect perfection. Can't wait to see it again.

Hey Wisecrack, Jared here with Alec, my co-Squancher and one of our writers. We're here for the first hour to answer your questions. Ask us anything in the comments below! UPDATE: Thanks for all the questions. Was really fun getting to engage with some of y'all. Be on the lookout for us to do this more often! Peace!

@birdmn9930

6 жыл бұрын

how do I like this movie without receiving hate

@birdmn9930

6 жыл бұрын

what time is it?

@WisecrackEDU

6 жыл бұрын

Jared: about 10:07AM PST

@joaoalourencoaffonso4986

6 жыл бұрын

Wisecrack Do The Truman Show! Do The Truman Show! Do The Truman Show! Do The Truman Show! Do The Truman Show! Do The Truman Show!

@WisecrackEDU

6 жыл бұрын

@Jesse McCree - Jared: Don't go on social media

I think you're.... thinking about it wrong. If you've ever watched legend of korra, korra and the villain she's fighting both take a hard stance on an issue. She is eventually shown that neither was altogether right in their beliefs and the real answer was somewhere in the middle. THIS is what distinguishes her from the villains, who are unwilling to change and usually pay for it with their lives. The answer is not be a hero or don't be a hero, it's that both of those are hard line philosophies that aren't in themselves complete

@anansi4849

6 жыл бұрын

Please don’t reduce these ideas to that cliche “the truth is in the middle” bs.

@ZoanBlade90

6 жыл бұрын

ViLLainy It is, however. Your villainy is not welcome here.

@anansi4849

6 жыл бұрын

ZoanBlade90 lmaoo

This is glorious and thorough. Props!

So it's a movie about letting go of the past and moving on? Well, sure is good that the Star Wars fanbase is equally capable of such things, and wouldn't let their nostalgia sour their view of this movie...right?

@1234kalmar

6 жыл бұрын

There is a difference between change and inconsistency tho.

@noobattempts

6 жыл бұрын

1234kalmar just curious what are those inconsistency

@SoggyBagelz

6 жыл бұрын

Its not nostalgia, its taking iconic characters like luke and having them do things that undermine what made them iconic in the first place

@petarking66

6 жыл бұрын

Luke Kulak And you would like characters to be perfect and always true to themselves, even though you are not?

@diegovera1213

6 жыл бұрын

Luke Kulak Just like we found out Kevin Spacey is a piece of shit?

Midiclorian Dumpster Fire is my next band name.

Don’t fully agree with everything but listening to your process and background is always really entertaining and interesting. Thanks Jared! Long live my new favorite Star Wars movie

Very interesting analysis, Wisecrack. Nice job

For a movie that's supposed to be moving on from the past, it pretty much resets things back to the way it was. The rebels are back to a tiny weak force while the first order has taken over the galaxy, exactly what it was like in A New Hope.

@SuperLloyd84

6 жыл бұрын

Except now there's no Han, Luke or Leia. And the Jedi are no more. Kinda makes you wonder what the point is. I know I'm not going to bother watching the continuing adventures of Black Janitor and Plain Mary Sue.

Although it was better than Force Awakens, I think this film is a weird mishmash of very good moments and very forced or confusing moments. You got great characters like Kylo and Rey, but then you have Rose and purple hair lady. Some characters arcs are amazing like Luke and Kylo. Then you have character arcs like shooty guy, which starts somewhere and doesn't end or Finn's character arc taking a backseat to everything else. You have seamless transitions between Luke and Rey storyline and the main story, then you have the forced capitalism criticism from the company that just bought out it's main Marvel competitor, Fox. They gave Luke a great death, but mr. "It's A Trap" gets one line declaring it's death. Then there's Plasma's death, which I can't tell is epic or average. The humour feels either natural or forced. Some character's decisions makes no sense, looking at you, purple hair lady. Deus Ex Machina is used a tad too much, looking at Leila. The twists seem great at some places and forced in other places. It is no trash fire, but it ain't no Empire Strikes Back.

@654pedro123

6 жыл бұрын

Phasma didn't die.

@chrisbendross6229

6 жыл бұрын

Film News Report id describe this as a good, bad movie. Like there were quite a bit of good moments but it was plagued with flaws. Some easier to get past than others.

@36inc

6 жыл бұрын

Its not critical of capitalism- The traitor thief makes a solid point to finn; the idea that good and bad guys exist is a framed point of view- the same guy who supplies tie fighters supplied the rebelion with Xwings- hes merely an investor he doesnt play sides. then later when Finn says you chose wrong theyll hurt you too- he says Perhaps so. Considering the feedback valid but in the since that maybe hes made a bad investment as his perspective for that. See his morality is based on a third perspective from his world view the good and bad guys are just fighters, their philosophical differences merely a reason to fight. he sees the fight as a waste of time. and if we look at history- hes totally right. this is the third war of the last hundred years- The fight is never ending. from his perspective Without the context of knowing about the deathstars or Starkiller, he has no reason to buy that romantic battle cry.

@VonJay

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think that Kylo had a character Arc. Character arcs are predicated by a lie a character believes, the bigger the lie the bigger the arc. Kylo seems to either have arced before TFA, or is set to arc by the end of the trilolgy. I believe the arc belonged to Rey in finding out that she's nobody. This may be more of a confirmation since she already says that she's nobody before Kylo tells her, so her true arc may come in Ep9. Nothing Kylo does suggests that he's going to arc. He has too much follow through, what he thinks he displays. There is struggle and light in him, but even so, I cannot think of an impresive way to reveal a truth to him while making a turn that isn't obvious(a turn to the lightside, or a turn to grey once the ships from the edges of the galaxy approach and question about snoke?). The Joker, for instance, had striking character driven views. His follow through was without struggle, yet he still arced once Batman showed him that the prisoners and class citizens wouldn't kill one another. His reliance on showing poeple their true selves once systems that kept them in order failed is what led to the arc. But the people became a reflection of Batmanf(non killing, etc) and the symbol he created. That's a testament to Chris Nolan and his brothers love for literature. I don't believe that JJ has enough love of literature to find a way to correctly arc Kylo(in a way that isn't obvious) if he hasn't already. I believe that he doesn't need an arc personally, I didn't like him in TFA, but I love him now and I don't think he needs to change. Kylo doesn't have much to go off of for a turn. All we have is Luke's betrayel, a quest to destroy the past, etc. And, I really don't think that he needs an arc, though if JJ can pull off a believable one then of course I'll welcome it. I think an impressive way to arc the newcomers is a revelation that they all had a hand in destroying the academy. Finn and Rey possibly being pupils or even members of the Knights of Ren. We're given their true names, as well as their knighted names, followed by (____)Ren, (_____)Ren. They'd be the ones that Luke "killed." When he really force wipes them. I think that in some capacity they rejoin Kylo to take on a new enemy. But the final conflict will be between Rey and Kylo.

@filmnewsreport3231

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you guys for this civil discussion. I didn't think about all these things and I appreciate you guys being polite when pointing it out.

The more I read about articles and watch videos about The Last Jedi, the more I think of it as the game changer for the Franchise. And how the previous movies has established a narratives/themes so reoccurring that we were used to it.

@Contevent

6 жыл бұрын

Totally. This is taking the franchise into a new direction. After decades of the same theme, it's possibly a new beginning.

This movie made me cry. It was long, but so good. I loved it.

I like that her family isnt of nobility. Makes her seem like anyone can be a hero.

@mrcandy1938

6 жыл бұрын

but it was not enough for star wars fan as they want a very deep background story of snork and rey.

@JeFilm94

6 жыл бұрын

Apart from Leia the heroes of Star Wars have never been nobility. Anakin's mother was a slave and Luke grew up on a farm. But they came from a line of strong force users. Her being so strong in the force, not needing any training and even overpowering Luke (a jedi master at this time) does warrant some explanation.

@christmas83

6 жыл бұрын

Rey, believable she could be from any family. Snoke, an annoying how the fuck did someone that strong remain hidden over a time that would have crossed the original trilogy.

@rossthesauceboss

6 жыл бұрын

I don't mind Rey's background, but Smoke seems a little ridiculous as having no background.

@patteri90

6 жыл бұрын

Anon ymous Many force sensitives can remain hidden if they so choose. There are many examples Yoda, Sidious, Obiwan and even Luke in this very movie

As for me I LIKED this movie precisely BECAUSE it defied all my expectations. That's it though. I didn't hate it. I didn't love it. I understand why other people hated things about it, but it just didn't get to me like that at all.

@ItsBeeRay

6 жыл бұрын

Klemeninio Browni Yeah, fuck him for having an opinion different to yours. Grow up dude

Thanks Wisecrack you guys helped me understand what exactly it was that I liked about this movie.

Thanks for for putting things into perspective for this movie. Really helped me make up my mind on what I thought about it.

In the case of Holdo what she did was justified because she literally had no other choice. Finn, rose and Poe had a choice. To trust their superiors. It’s not about not being a hero, but about finding the right time and place for heroics.

@zeechops401

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Ortiz Yep, Haldo desire wasn't to be a "hero", but it's because of her selfless sacrifice that she becomes one. Poe wanted to show off, he get too cocky and that cost the lives of those around him instead of him. Haldo sacrificed herself, Poe sacrificed others.

@WesAG23

6 жыл бұрын

To solve the issue watch Battlestar Galactica Episode: 33. That will fix that plot hole and use actual logic.

@Kiabugboy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice theme, great sacrifice scene But seriously, she could've just told Poe what the plan was, the execution of this idea seems to be in the expense of a huge plothole or characters making unrealistic choices. Not to mention she spent a good chunk of time just frozen in place while a sizeable portion of the people she's trying to protect gets blasted away, before coming to the simple solution of turning back and ramming the first order fleet, all I could think of was 'why didn't you do that way sooner!!?? Like Half of the pods are gone by then'

@gabrielp9646

6 жыл бұрын

You are talking about Poe storyline... He learns that in the end, when he is tryingto stop Finn going for the cannon, just like Leia was trying to stop him in the begining of the movie

@BuFFoTheArtClown

6 жыл бұрын

B*******. Of course she had a choice. She could have punched a few buttons and put the ship on a timer autopilot to turn around and then hyperspace into snokes ship.

Basically the dark knight rises for Luke,

@somethingfierce8859

6 жыл бұрын

pretty much, a lot of people dislike it but the people smart enough to appreciate it, love it.

@jon_ovo3653

6 жыл бұрын

Frank Richards01 that's my second Favorite movie :S bane was a savage

I loved it. I want to see it again. It brought something new and original to the series. And sure, I'd love to hear about your dog!

THIS IS THE BEST VIDEO ABOUT THE LAST JEDI! OMG TY SO MUCH, I FEEL LIKE I UNDERSTAND IT SO MUCH BETTER NOW!!!

A MIDI-CHLORIAN DUMPSTER FIRE There I saved you the trouble.

Hey guys! Great vid as usual, though, when is 8-bit philosophy coming back?! Just binged the series and it was one of the best executed ones I've seen on YT.

@WisecrackEDU

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Neel. We love the show, too, but the KZread algorithm has been challenging to have a big diversity of content on the channel. So we've put the show on the back-burner and decided to put our episodes on Facebook - facebook.com/WisecrackEDU. In the meantime, you can check out an 8-Bit Philosophy we did on VR Porn that got banned on KZread. It's available on our Patreon - patreon.com/wisecrack. :-)

@djkali7690

6 жыл бұрын

Neel Bhaskar can I have your mrh

Cinematic masterpiece....it made people question everything and i for one, am so happy for this

It was a great movie. I think it's greatness was pushed along by not having as in depth of an analysis like this vid. I saw some space battles, great special effects, and the story line flowed nicely. It made me happy to spend 2hrs and 30min in one place.

I loved the movie, there was so much organic story telling, the themes rhymed, and there was character development. Something else I loved was how self aware the writers were, "those are just legends" (remember that Legends is what the old canon, where Luke is near godlike).

@levongevorgyan6789

6 жыл бұрын

Unlike here, where he isn't even Luke.

@4lonzo

6 жыл бұрын

they did the same thing that logan did, and its just great IMO

@boyhowdy856

6 жыл бұрын

Simple. They took the character who is defined by continuing to move forward past mistakes, and made him unable to move past one mistake. They took the character that was ridiculed for his compassion for others, and ridiculed him for his LACK of compassion.

@Jessie_Helms

6 жыл бұрын

Luke Hallada the entire galaxy was enslaved by the power of his father when his elders didn't recognize his power. He nearly did what was inexcusable, which led to the destruction of everything he built and- possibly- a new Order of evil. He feels like Yoda and Obi-Wan must have felt when the Empire rose, refusing to interact with the Galaxy at large.

@boyhowdy856

6 жыл бұрын

+Justin Helms Darth Vader is worse than Kylo Ren. Opinions on character depth aside, Darth Vader murdered the entire Jedi order. Kylo just jumped on the First Order bandwagon. Logically Darth Vader is even less redeemable than Kylo. Therefore, as the character who learns compassion and understanding for other people, Luke should have by all means confronted the doubts in Kylo Ren's mind. That's what compassion is. It's like riding a bike, you never forget once you learn it. Luke single-handedly delves into the heart of humankind's greatest weakness, and comes out the victor. There's no amount of teenage angst that can obscure that kind of achievement. Besides Obi-Wan and Yoda never learned compassion. They were too concerned with ethics to learn it. So no, Luke couldn't have been in the same place as Yoda and Obi-Wan.

Snoke was never important, he was only meant to be an antagonist for Kylo, pushing him towards the dark. It was the fans who heaped all of the mystery and what if's onto him. He was just an empty shell, something for Kylo to overcome in his own personal journey. Sure, he was powerful, but we never saw how powerful. Being killed by his lack of situational awareness similar to Palpatine is appropriate, just one movie sooner. And his disfigurement meant that he paid a price for that power that we may yet learn. As for the admiral's admonishing Po for his recklessness in sacrificing his team when she was willing to also sacrifice herself. It was because she had no other choice, where Po did. He could have aborted the mission, called off the run, and saved his team, but he chose to fight. Whereas she had nowhere to run, no fuel to run, and only herself to lose. It's a matter of what is a sacrifice worth? And that was the lesson that Po had to learn. Seriously, just saying it's not a good movie because it wasn't what you expected or it's different than the others. There's a lot going on, especially between Rey and Kylo. It's a much more developed relationship than the "temptation" that Luke felt in RofJ. It's differnt, and I say good. Want to see Empire Strikes Back, go watch it. I'd rather they try something new than repeat what's already been done.

@levongevorgyan6789

6 жыл бұрын

That does not make it better. The Emperor was a good antagonist.

@siriusnoir2995

6 жыл бұрын

Snoke is just plot device. Would have been interesting to know his story in the First Order, but this lack of background does not ruin the film for me. Kylo matters more.

@MakNCheese88

6 жыл бұрын

The emperor was a good antagonist, but Snoke isn't the emperor. Kylo is the real antagonist, and Snoke was in his way. Same as Captain Phasma, she wasn't meant to be a deep character because she was never the main focus. She was a part of Fin's journey, and it would be nice to have a Game of Thrones every character gets a monologue and full backstory opportunity here. But this is a movie, not a 100 hour epic.

@4lonzo

6 жыл бұрын

You sir are very good at putting good ideas in to words, really. well said m8

@Davisnacho

6 жыл бұрын

Well said.

I love every second of this movie, for once I had fun from start to finish with a movie that have great drama, humor and story

This video game me hope for the future of Star Wars and allowed me to appreciate The Last Jedi a lot more then I did. Thanks for the insight Wisecrack!

I personally really enjoyed it, the cinematography was excellent, the Rey Luke and kylo plot lines were amazing, and I love that we're finally getting away from the starwars template. That's why people loved the EU. My only beefs with it are the fin and rose ploteline and the fact that there were no consequences, because the main character would always be saved by an ex macchina.

@Jarvis466

6 жыл бұрын

King Lurtz Agreed! The Finn and Rose plot line was unnecessary IMO. And that is one of the legit criticisms of the new moves, no consequences. TFA was certainly like that.

@jonathanpowell9657

6 жыл бұрын

How can you say there was no consequences, because of the them first order learn about the escape plan and like a tonne more rebels die, cause benedict del toros weird elmor fudd impression overhears them talking to Poe and sells them out. Will agree that the plot line they had was definitely the weakest and least interesting but

@crizznik2312

6 жыл бұрын

I agree the movie was good, but disagree about Canto Bight. It amazes me how many people forget. Finn didn't care about the resistance, all he cared about were his friends. He was ready to desert in order to protect Rey. Their trip to Canto Bight and seeing the abuse to kids and animals that allowed that high living showed Finn why the Resistance was worth fighting for in and of itself, as opposed to fighting only for his friends like he was. It was really good character development for him.

@johnward3807

6 жыл бұрын

King Lurtz You're not aloud to enjoy yourself at the cinema in 2017 I fear you will not be expected in our civilisation.

@darkwatershadow

6 жыл бұрын

The only thing I actually disliked about this movie was the space Leia scene. It was weird and silly.

Wait, so why redefining the genre, when you could just continue the trilogy and start fresh somewhere else ? It really seems to me that the director was trying so hard to make something new that he lost the core of what the movie was supposed to be.

Wisecrack, what are the movies you are planning on talking about on your new movie podcast for the next few weeks? Love you guys. all your videos & podcasts are just fantastic! Jill

Jupiter as the background music makes me so happy :D

I definitely preferred TLJ to the Force Awakens - the plot and character development were significantly more interesting, and the cinematography was incredible by comparison. I understand the hate for TLJ, and there were definitely some massive issues with it, but to call it a "bad movie" seems dishonest to me. Its weakest elements were the forced humour , unimaginative subplots, and an irreverence for beloved characters (Akbar could have replaced purple hair lady's entire arc, and been much more emotionally resonant, instead of dying offscreen). However - as a film, TLJ was wonderfully entertaining, and as a Star Wars film, subversive, clever and despite its flaws, a very interesting addition to the franchise. And to anyone who feels the need to angrily shout that this ruined Star Wars, you're welcome to your opinion. There are 7 other Star Wars films for you to watch.

@briansinger5258

6 жыл бұрын

There’s three Star Wars movies. That’s all there will ever be. This last _Disney_ movie was pretty though.

@St3yn012

6 жыл бұрын

That's true, the only three movies that count are Episode I, II & III

@briansinger5258

6 жыл бұрын

Steyn I was thinking the two Ewok Adventures and the Holiday Special.

@contrapassose7en

6 жыл бұрын

Josh Wi "And to anyone who feels the need to angrily shout that this ruined Star Wars, you're welcome to your opinion. There are 7 other Star Wars films for you to watch." Not really. Last jedi retroactively ruined episode 7. There is absolutely no reason to rewatch it now. And episode 9 has nowhere to go. Nice subversion here. It's like Disney wants the fans that are over 30 (old enough to have a long history with the franchise) and those with a brain (those pesky entitled fans with their "expectations" of a good movie) to go away.

@garith21

6 жыл бұрын

The movie was pretty, but there really wasn't much character development, in order to "subvert expectations" it basically destroyed anything that was presented in the force awakens and made basically anyone in leadership seem completely incompetent for no real reason. I think the worst thing for me is that our main protagonist Rey is simply written to be an unrelatable character. while Ridley does a good job acting. The problem is in how the character is written. She essentially masters/overpowers nearly everyone when she's introduced to something and she really hasn't had any growth over these last 2 movies. The only person she seemed to have any real struggle against was Snoke n he was killed off. She's basically better than the main antagonist Kylo with basically no training when he's trained under both luke and Snoke, she even betters Luke after a day of training when the movie claims that she and Kylo are equal but opposites. We're presented with the idea that she's scarred in the first movie from being abandoned with her parents and Han bonds with her and she sees him as a new father figure and supposedly experienced great loss when he was killed right in front of her eyes. This movie happens right after and it's maybe 4-5 days and it's like he never existed to her.

Have you guys seen the extra sci-fi series that extra credits are doing? I feel it has quite a wisecrackian style if you will.

The "salt planet" was actually filmed in a salt field called "Salar de Uyuni" in Oruro - Bolivia.

Very nicely done

these comments are gonna be a shitshow

@megamanpwn3dmario

6 жыл бұрын

hey, just like the movie :D

@bingerz237

6 жыл бұрын

or more boring

@Holammer

6 жыл бұрын

I dunno, comments look pretty civil here. Want the freakshow? Try Digital Foundry videos.

@namenloss730

6 жыл бұрын

Worse shitshow than the movie?

[SPOILER] The biggest surprise for me was killing off Luke and not Leia. I didn't enjoy the CGI in Rogue 1 and I have no clue how they're going to cope with absence of Carrie Fisher in episode 9.

@RODERICKMOLASAR

6 жыл бұрын

Marcin Karczewski Carrie Fisher's failure to die in the explosion was a typical Disney cheat.

Loving that Holst in the background!

After seeing this I appreciate the movie a little more now that I know what Ryan Johnson was trying to do. It actually makes some of the bits like a cheeky nod/joke to older Star Wars movies.

How many memes do you absorb daily?

@WisecrackEDU

6 жыл бұрын

Jared: too many

@duckquack6838

6 жыл бұрын

there is never too many dank memes

@wafl423

6 жыл бұрын

D I D Y O U E V E R H E A R T H E T R A G E D Y O F D A R T H P L A G U E I S T HE W I S E

@SalvationKH

6 жыл бұрын

All of them

@Scientist93

6 жыл бұрын

Over 9000

I have no problem with WHAT the film was trying to get across - let go of past heroes, the skywalker family is not special, don"t be a hero etc etc. And fans who dislike because of those reasons are missing the point because this movie at least is trying to make something new and original unlike the fan pandering of force awakens. But i have a problem with HOW the message was delivered - with huge plotholes. ie people doing things that don't make any sense in the situation like not telling poe about the plan or the fucking chase nonsense.

@Gemnist98

4 жыл бұрын

Though I disagree, I appreciate your point far more than most people’s.

Thank you very much! I didn't really like the movie before but after watching this video I really feel better about the Last Jedi.

This was such a great breakdown of TLJ. It pretty much sums up my feelings about it & I LOVED TLJ.

Great video as always. I personally have no issue with subverting expectations. I like it in fact. The problem was the execution. The story was really messy and confused me to the point that these big reveals flew over my head when I first saw them. Also Fin and Rose's subplot was terrible.

@Jarvis466

6 жыл бұрын

Badmunky64 I agree with Finn and Rose plot line. Useless and unnecessary.

I enjoyed when Azula attacked the wall of Ba Sing Se with a giant drill. That and when Zuko and Katara bond and fight back to back only for Zuko to betray her in the end. Wait. I wasn't watching Avatar The Last Airbender Book 2?

@Davidsworldtravels

6 жыл бұрын

Apparently people are referring to Kylo as the new Zuko. Scar and teaming up w enemy, etc. Pulling from Avatar would be absolutely fine with me.

I saw it yesterday and I felt it was a fresh breath of air. It broke with many expectations and I fucking love it when franchises do that.

This was very cathartic to listen to

Why is Sci-fi / Western combination so amazing?

@brianbrush5107

6 жыл бұрын

and fantasy

Jared, what is your favorite book on philosophy and why????!

@WisecrackEDU

6 жыл бұрын

Jared: It's a hard question to answer, because some books are really hard to read but have good ideas, and some are enjoyable to read and the ideas are so-so. I really like Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard, but anyone who says they understand that book in its entirety is a liar.

@iamOnenO

6 жыл бұрын

Amazing! Yeah I bet that book is a thick read. I have only a little knowledge of that book but I am familiar. I am really into eastern philosophy and symbolism in general. My favorite book would be a tie between Joseph Cambell's The Power of Myth and Alan Watts' book called The Book.

@JC-om7nr

6 жыл бұрын

THE FOUNTAINHEAD

@Gin-kz5ss

6 жыл бұрын

Book of Five Rings. :Miyamoto Musashi “Get beyond love and grief exist for the good of man”

I really loved it!

I like this a lot more now thanks to you Wisecrack.

Spoiler filled addition to the commentary The other thing is that if poe hadnt destroyed the dreadnaught, it would have destroyed the resistance. Its cannon was trained on the mon calamari cruiser and after the lightspeed chase, it would have destroyed them afterwards.

@huntcd2012

6 жыл бұрын

The problem with Poe was that he was only supposed to stall the Dreadnaught until the rest of the transports got off planet. Once they did, Leia ordered them to jump to warp, but Poe wanted to keep fighting, which was the only reason the Dreadnaught had a chance to take out the fleet in the first place.

@jamesplays8113

6 жыл бұрын

But if poe hadn't destroyed the dreadnaught, it would have followed them through lightspeed and destroyed the entire fleet.

I still don't believe that Rey's parents are just junkers, because Kathleen Kennedy once said, that the trilogy films, or the 'saga', will always be about the Skywalker family. Of course, this could refer to Kylo Ren, but I don't think that that they don't do anything with Rey's backstory other than that. Also, the information that her parents are junkers was giving to her by Kylo. First, how does he know? He would not know her parents if they're actually just some random junkers. And second, he may have just told her that, so that she joins him, so for his own interest. Does anyone else think so? I'm happy to be proven or wrong or discuss that :)

@cpenner7086

6 жыл бұрын

if it will be about the skywalker family i am out. Star wars has a WHOLE GALAXY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. just seems a waste to not tap into that potential.

@PanicbyExample

6 жыл бұрын

the significance of her family being nobody's was lost on me til afterwards... i don't see why it has to be however obliquely tied to them, if for no other reason than 'i am your father' is fine bottled where it is, rehashing that particular reveal is best duplicated by simply dropping it altogether and have her being orphaned... the connection to the force maybe still has to be explained... maybe the people who were watching her were junkers who her actual parents wrongfully trusted but were hoping she would live out with clandestinely... now how do you make those parents interesting instead of desperately reaching? idk

Love your work! May not agree with everything you guys say but love the effort put in and I learn alot! Every doing The Watchmen???? I'm dying for you guys to tackle that!

I love how Jupiter is playing in the background 😁

Force needs balance is a true thing only light or only dark sucks

I loved the subversive nature of TLJ. It was quite enjoyable.

I love that you played Gustav Holst in the background, which John Williams was heavily inspired by😉

Great video, thanks

Excluding most scenes with Finn and Rose, Star Wars The Last Jedi is a cinematic masterpiece.

@mreatitall

6 жыл бұрын

Are you drunk? The movie was the worst. Can't explain how dissappointed i a in this piece of s*. So many mistakes were made and also the plot was pretty stupid. Masterpiece HAHAHA

@YellowBunny

6 жыл бұрын

No, I don't drink alcohol. I am sorry if the movie disappointed you, but I really enjoyed it. Of course, it has mistakes just like any movie. But to me, they are mostly minor and do not distract from rest of the movie. The only stupid things I can find in the plot is that Vice Admiral Holdo does not communicate her plans and that the First Order is so incompetent at killing two (or three?) people and a droid that have been captured on a star destroyer.

@omaralmeraya7222

6 жыл бұрын

Come on It was an entertaining movie and I liked it, but I dont consider it a "cinematic masterpiece" very far from that imo

@YellowBunny

6 жыл бұрын

Everyone can have their own opinion.

@slixlix7303

6 жыл бұрын

YellowBunny - I agree with you 100%. There’s hate now because Star Wars has a passionate fan base which hasn’t quite grasped that this trilogy is not a “fan trilogy” and is cannon. Meaning, you don’t say “Star Wars wouldn’t be like this”, because this is Star Wars. If you don’t like it then you might not like Star Wars anymore. You don’t own it. TLJ’s biggest strength and flaw is that it doesn’t pay fan service. And I love it for that. I get it though. When Mass Effect 3 released I got all wrapped up in the hate for the ending. But I finally had to accept it because it was part of something I loved.

Honestly, the Rose Finn subplot was a waste of time.

@thenerdyboii6436

6 жыл бұрын

TheOneTemplar TheLastTemplar I thought that SW fans love world building. Which is exactly what that entire Rose Finn subplot is about.

@ort94041

6 жыл бұрын

TheOneTemplar TheLastTemplar nah, it was supposed to fail. Everyone in the movie was supposed to fail to learn from that failure. That kid with the broom and ring in the end are their small victory.

@karlfahrenholtz9415

6 жыл бұрын

TheOneTemplar TheLastTemplar I feel like a lot of the point of that subplot was to show that trying to be a hero isn't always the right choice. Admiral Holdo had her plan and, while it would probably have benefitted her to share that plan with her crew, she didn't owe anyone any explanation. In trying to go about their plot of disabling the tracker they not only failed to do that, but they also got a lot of the rebels killed by facilitating the revealing of the escaping transports. All that being said, I think the time could have been used better for something like a Snoke/Ren plotline, more Rey/Ren, or Rey/Ren/Snoke instead of the whole casino part.

@345635356

6 жыл бұрын

It turned Finn the coward in to Finn the selfless freedomfighter. Thats quite a significant storyline

@joerodriguez5079

6 жыл бұрын

TheOneTemplar TheLastTemplar I enjoyed Finn and Rose when it wasn’t heavy handed with its message but yeah it was a waste of time

Holst’s Jupiter playing in the beginning. Great recording of it too!

Thank you for this! I was thrilled with the movie, and - don’t shoot me - but it’s probably my favorite Star Wars installment so far. It stay focused and surprising while dealing with many narratives, and it’s direct call for originality over squandering away in nostalgia felt truly liberating. I feel as if it’s a genuine story for our time. We need to move on from our past but not forget it. Learn from it, as Rose learns from the lost of her sister, as Rey learns to handle issues herself and move away from the mentorship, and as even Kylo Ren learns that maybe the preconceived divisions need to be challenged. A lot of this is exemplified in a majority of the imagery. For instance, Rose’s pendant looks distinctly like one side of the Yin Yang symbols, and the Jedi symbol in Luke’s study has similar black and white patterns to those symbols. The movie discusses balance so much - hinting that life depends on both the light and the dark (You can’t have one without the other...) Okay, I’ll stop here, but I feel as if I could write an analytical essay. This is a great movie in and of itself. I put it on par with Logan for how it manages to bond both a franchise installment (dark side?) with and an original and captivating movie (light?).

I... dont understand why this movie is so disliked. I went in with tempered expectations, hearing everything from “Meh” from my dad, to “absolute shit” from my coworker, to “literally the best star wars so far” from my boss, each and every one of them card carrying star wars fanboys. And honestly... i’m inclined to agree with my boss. The cinematography was utterly and resoundingly superb. The mass-deflection hyperspace jump is among the most beautiful things ever displayed on film. The three major combat sequences (the bombing run, the swordfight in the throne room, and the saltflats) are among the most astoundingly well-choreographed exhibitions of dogfighting and hand-to-hand combat I have ever seen. The constant subversion of expectation is used to great effect at every point, and is incredibly important to the building narrative. Kylo Ren is defeated because he believes the single person is important.That /he/ is the most important person in his story. His every action is predicated on the belief that he alone is the hero, the leader, the most important person alive. Luke’s sacrifice, Vice Admiral Holdo’s sacrifice, they exist to prove to kylo that no one person is more important than the cause. Than the light. If Kylo had ordered his men to advance while he fought Luke, the Resistance dies. But he didnt. He believed himself to be the hero of the First Order. The thing that makes what Finn tried to do different than Luke and the Vice Admiral is that his sacrifice was about him, about the individual. “No, i can do it!” He said. He wanted to be the hero. His sacrifice was /not/ intended to be for the Light, for the Resistance. It was about Finn and Finn alone. Thats why he was stopped. The whole movie strips away the importance of The Hero as a person, and places every successful action in Preserving the Light. Poe tried to sacrifice himself to kill the dreadnought, becoming a hero and crippling the Resistance fleet. Finn tried to sacrifice himself to protect the door, prolonging the eventual defeat of the Resistance. If the door worked, would they have looked for a way out? Luke and Vice Admiral Holdo died not as Heroes, but as members of The Resistance, and they succeeded because of it. Tl;dr, movie’s fucking great.

@skyscreamstudios

6 жыл бұрын

It's cool to hate things just to hate? I thought it was great. Like any movie ever made in the history of movies it has issues but I enjoyed myself. It was a really good second act to the trilogy.

@pjwestin

6 жыл бұрын

I don't get all the "This movie ruined Star Wars," complaints, but I thought structurally it was a mess. The second act dragged on forever and the third act went on for another 30 minutes past what felt like the natural climax of the movie. I actually really liked the way it played with and upended fans expectations, but I felt like it did it to the detriment of its own story telling. For example, the entire casino planet sequence did nothing to further the plot, it was really just there for that DJ character to be a sort of reverse Lando (someone who betrays them for selfish reasons and doesn't redeem himself). There were a lot of scenes I loved, but ultimately it felt like a poorly paced story where nothing gets accomplished.

@luigivercotti6410

6 жыл бұрын

(SPOILERS AHEAD) I shall have to disagree with you, especially on the cinematography. Please keep in my mind these are no more than my opinions, I am no arbiter of truth. One issue of this movie during its ending mostly, was that it jumped around too much. Hell, there was a moment where I thought I was watching a trailer instead of a movie and it really did break all immersion. On the fight choreography, it looks good but is really quite shallow, I feel, in fact all the battle scenes (which, frankly, are the face value of a franchise called Star WARS). There are no duels that really evoke any sort of emotion, or full blown engagements that are well thought out. One thing I really liked about IV and V were how the space battles were always very well strategized on both sides. There were all sorts of plans, traps, and ruses going around, not just mindless explosions... Now back to the personal side of things again, it seems to me that pretty much all of the character arcs were either nonexistant, unfulfilling, or _so_ damn cliché. Yes, Luke supposedly learns to stop clinging to the past (mentor character cliché), but he also dies, and is, for all intents and purposes, a "side-side" character. (Yet another bad thing - too many damn characters, how is anyone supposed to connect with and care about so many individuals at once?). Kylo? He apparently stops being a dumb Vader fanboy who gets his ass kicked, but he's still a dumb kid who gets his ass kicked. That's not what I call a villain, or a hero or anti-hero for that matter. Snoke might as well not be in the movie at all, nothing like the clever manipulating and calculating emperor Palpatine, Snoke really just doesn't seem to pose any sort of threat... Rey, the supposed main character undergoes exactly 0 change. P.S. Am I the only one who saw the plot-twist Kylo betraying Snoke coming from a freakin' mile away? It really just destroyed all tension for me.

@HipsterSomething155

6 жыл бұрын

ZeketheZealot good job. I totally agree with you and that was very well written.

@shortstacksport

6 жыл бұрын

Completely disagree - I thought the movie was pretty terrible. It had enormous plot holes. Why haven't people been weaponizing light-speed this entire time? We see the movie start with Rey immediately where it left off in the last film, but somehow the First Order now reigns? How long did that take? Why do Finn and Rose care about space rabbit-horses when the Resistance will literally be destroyed in hours? Why save the rabbit-horses and not the slave kids? Why trust some random guy locked up in a cell instead of going and finding the actual hacker? Since when do lasers arc in space? Why do people need to stay behind on abandoned ships? Why didn't Holdo tell anyone her plan? She would have lost nothing by informing her crew, and it would have gone a long way in establishing trust. If there was a spy aboard, which is the only credible reason to keep the information secret, they would have informed the First Order the second the transports began loading, so what difference would it make? Why doesn't Holdo wear a uniform? Even the highest ranking generals (man or woman) in the U.S. military wear a uniform. It shows you are a team. Why are Finn and Rose so affluent in cutting edge First Order tracking technology? One's a janitor and the other does maintenance - neither are qualified engineers. It had terrible character writing. Captain Phasma is criminally underused AGAIN, Rey's desire to fight for the Resistance doesn't seem properly motivated. Why does she care so much? Her character is still difficult to believe or relate to. Luke's character seems completely out of place, considering previous movies. And it couldn't even stay consistent to its own themes. Holdo's sacrifice is noble, but Finn's isn't? The situations are nearly identical. Poe and Co destroying the Dreadnaught is "reckless", yet had it survived the movie would have been 15 minutes long. The movie was a mess, and it sucked.

Someone agree with me that Admiral Holdo is the worst character in Star Wars! She is the single reason that hundreds of rebels died. If she just TOLD Poe the plan, then he wouldn't have sent Flynn, and they wouldn't have found Del Toro's character who would then betray the resistance and cause the escape plan to almost fail. So, because she decided to be an idiot and not keep her troops informed, she almost doomed the entire fleet She is worse than Jar-Jar.

@viljamtheninja

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed, that was just dumb writing.

@zorro......

6 жыл бұрын

Big agreement. I feel like everyone blaming poe instead of holdo is a mix of racism and white feminism and i hate it :-)

@Leo-pw3kf

6 жыл бұрын

Holdo didn't tell Poe the plan because she did not trust him. Poe had just killed a bunch of rebels by disobeying Leia, and had been demoted as a result. The reason that hundreds of rebels died was that Poe acted brashly right after fucking things up and his plan backfire... again.

@zorro......

6 жыл бұрын

Leonardo Santos ok but if poe hadnt done that, the first order wouldve tracked them, astromechs wouldve gotten the dreadnought more or less fixed, and the resistance would no longer have an element of surprise. How many more do you think would die because of the fleetkiller dreadnought, hm? 🤔🤔🤔 I assure you it wouldnt be just the bridge that gets blown up.

@spensersowards7904

6 жыл бұрын

Holdo told NO ONE the plan, it wasn't just Poe. She literally kept everyone in the ship in the dark until the last second. Otherwise, why would anyone join Poe's insurrection?

I loooooved it.

Thanks for this video! I liked "The Last Jedi", but the conclusions made here are such a step forward. I wonder how to analyze stuff just as well as you do! :) Thanks again, let the force be with you to produce more wonderful and wise stuff!

do you guys think that this whole "Rey parents are not important'' thing could be a misdirection?, if so what could we take from that ? (i mean as in the Star Wars being a filme about cycles )

@WisecrackEDU

6 жыл бұрын

Alec: Yeah, it could be. But I'd be super pissed if she was just a Skywalker.

@somecuriosities

6 жыл бұрын

I think either: a) they couldn't have a mindblowing parentage reveal al la 'No, I am your father." in TLJ because everyone expected it. SO they toyed with us instead, lulling us into thinking Rey came from nothing so that during the next episode it is a more-ESBesque-mindblow when it is revealed that her parents are important after all. ORRR... b) Disney really want to plug the 'anyone from even the most humble background can become to be great' thing as a message... because... well... Disney. If true, it is kind of sad and unscrupulous that Disney are plugging this, given the rather 'stagnant' state of affairs in parts of Western society, where poor socio-economic mobility increasingly prevails. When it never has been so unlikely, for so many to improve their lot so little in life; it is conversely a great time to come from important/rich parents!

@victorjsalerno

6 жыл бұрын

Some Curiosities dude stick to the movie, go do your political speachs else where.

@victorjsalerno

6 жыл бұрын

Some Curiosities but yes, they might be going far a "anyone can be a Jedi" kind theme, so that more people with the Force can come to the scene.

@somecuriosities

6 жыл бұрын

Political speech? Pfft. You are flattering me. I was thinking more of the irony/hypocrisy between the messages disney promotes compared to the wider context in which the company acts... In any case, is this not Wisecrack? If the whole "anyone can be a Jedi" ends up being sold as a wider aspirational message or theme, (it might smack a wee bit of the american dream, right?), then, when you interpret that message/theme, the society/context in which you live might well alter the way such a message is interpreted. If true, it is thus necessary to be mindful of the realities of the era/society in which you live and how these might influence any interpretation of a work. Put it another (perhaps overly simplified) way, would the average joe in 1950 interpret a films message or theme the same way as the average joe does today?

Thank you for trying to analize the themes of the film. Im tired of hearing the same: duuuh da flyiing leia scene iss duumb duu, duuh no lightsaber fiight. It has its flaws but its definitely not as bad as people say.

@justinrose9467

6 жыл бұрын

I mean, you’re playing down legitimate criticisms.

@EddieNiga

6 жыл бұрын

I am not saying the movie doesn't have flaws. Its just seems to me people focused on specific scenes (leia flying, blue milk, which were silly but nothing that made me take away my enjoyment), fan theories not been fulfilled, and not meeting fans expectations (snoke fighting luke, reys parents etc) and its like everyone glossed over the good aspects of this film. I get the movie is a bit messy and convoluted in some parts, but overall, I think it had a structure and its themes (failure, war profiteering, questioning the concept of hero, etc). I understand some criticism, it's just not as bad as people make it out to be, some people are calling this the WORST star wars movie, and it's definitely not as bad as phantom menace or attack of the clones.

@thekingof300

6 жыл бұрын

The problem is that the movie is a continuation of the last one. The last one was absolute trash. It left a bunch of plot holes open and didn't make much sense when you really thought about it. It was more focused on saying "remember star wars?" than actually delivering a good story. Thats why the fans had to run hoops around the movie, making up wild fan theories that somehow made that terrible movie seem cohesive. Now we see that the movie was just that. Terrible. The fan theories were all shot down, and what's left was an extremely bad first movie, and a weak second movie at best. Another problem is how fanboyish everyone is about star wars. There are die hard fans that will eat up every second of it regardless of it's quality. There are bandwagoners that don't really understand it, but since everyone likes it, they do too. Also, the propaganda for these movies have been insane. Never has propaganda been so good, that even after the movie releases and is terrible, people are STILL convinced it's good. So essentially, those that saw how terrible the first movie was and are now saying "see? I told you so" and a lot of the people who were making theories up to explain bad writing are like "oh shit... they're right". That just leaves a bunch of bandwagoners and fanboys still yelling "THEY'RE GOOD" but that'll die out eventually.

@Jarvis466

6 жыл бұрын

EddieNiga Agree with everything you said 100% 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

I believe that the scene when rose saves Finn was supposed to show that the motivation behind the action matters, because Finns drive was hatred against the first that make his self sacrifice wrong

i loved it, this made me love it more.

Nah the salt wasn’t about ancient war technics. It was a reference to salty fanboys. :P

The kids....how did they know about Lukes sacrifice?

@GeorgiawithaG

6 жыл бұрын

Stories told by both resistance & first order soldiers, passed as rumours across the galaxy until it reaches the ears of those kids, who (presumably) hear snippets of conversation from the casinos on cantobite.

I love Jupiter bringer of jolity. Great choice in music.

But did anyone notice the "Holder of the holocron" guy in the film crew somewhere during the credits? Must've been a nice job.